by Sharon Rondeau
(Apr. 28, 2022) — On Wednesday, which marked the 11th anniversary of the release of an image by the White House said to represent the original birth certificate of the then-sitting president, Barack Hussein Obama II, The Post & Email sought out the investigator who conducted a 5+-year investigation into its authenticity.
Since the publication of an editorial Monday by Tom Arnold responding to an April 22 article in The Washington Examiner surrounding what came to be known colloquially as “birther” claims and the Obama regime’s response to them, a flurry of comments has been seen, on the one hand asserting the image is a forgery, and on the other, reiterating statements made by Hawaii officials during the height of the birth-certificate controversy vouching for Obama’s purported birth there on August 4, 1961.
Similar comments were submitted in response to The Post & Email’s April 20 article titled, “When Did ‘the Iron Curtain of Censorship’ Begin?” which recounted the media’s recoiling from Zullo’s revelation that the “long-form” birth certificate PDF image was found to be fraudulent beyond the standard of probable cause as well as subsequent discoveries about how it was likely created.
Some of the comments reiterated the claim that a Xerox 7655 WorkCentre copier is capable of reproducing the anomalies in the image identified by Zullo, a claim he has roundly refuted.
The probe was conducted under the authority of the Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office, then led by Sheriff Joseph Arpaio, with Zullo and Arpaio holding three formal press conferences to report the progress and findings of the investigation at various stages.
In a recent memoir, Arpaio wrote that as a result of the birth-certificate investigation, he and Zullo became the objects of a “level of fury” “from Obama’s minions” not seen before in his 24 years as sheriff.
Early in the process, along with the birth-certificate image, Zullo and his team members determined that Obama’s purported Selective Service registration form, distributed to various citizens making FOIA requests for the documentation beginning in 2008, is also fraudulent. Both assertions were announced at the first press conference on March 1, 2012.
During the second presser held in July the same year, Zullo declared that the standard of probable cause in the forgery of the birth-certificate image was surpassed by the evidence, including that “they did not make the PDF file at the Department of Health in Hawaii” (41:43).
At the final presser on December 15, 2016, Zullo revealed having hired two forensic document examiners, one in Italy and the other in Hawaii working in different disciplines, who examined the image and independently reached the same conclusion, with each producing a final report not yet released publicly.
One of Zullo’s final revelations was that the paper birth certificate of one Joanna Ah’Nee, born in Hawaii several weeks after Obama’s purported birth, was used as a source document for the Obama forged image.
For Obama, “There is no original certificate; there never was,” Zullo said on a later radio broadcast.
Nevertheless, over the years many commenters have continued to maintain that the PDF image represents an authentic paper document proving Obama was born in the United States and therefore eligible to the presidency as a “natural born Citizen.” Several in comments at this website have attempted to goad Zullo into releasing the final reports he received from the forensic examiners, a point he addressed in The Post & Email’s interview Wednesday.
Just as individuals questioning the Obama birth narrative, life story, and/or documentation were labeled “birthers,” those vehemently defending the PDF image and Obama’s purported bona fides are referred to in some circles as “Obots.”
We began by asking Zullo about the years-old claim concerning the Xerox copier, to which he replied:
“The 7655 Xerox copier was a component machine used to reproduce a copy of a created document. That’s what we established, because the Obots were coming out in full force saying the 7655 did it all. So we ended up purchasing a 7655; it took us over a year to find someone who still had the proper software from that time frame to run the machine.
“Obviously, all copiers have the ability to produce links and layers, but the 7655 copier could not produce the links and layers that are displayed in the Obama document. As a matter of fact, some of the very fields that have been in question and pulled over from the Ah’Nee document are on their own layer in that document, and the 7655 cannot do that.
“The 7655 was also used for obfuscation purposes. Running a partly-completed document multiple times through the 7655, getting a printed layer and then running it again, is done for obfuscation coupled with the utilization of the Mac program, ‘Preview,’ which destroyed the chain of custody of data that would have authenticated the creation of the PDF file. Preview erased the metadata that should have been contained in the file, thereby rendering the Obama birth certificate unreliable.”
“Our work was to nullify the ‘7655’ argument, to nullify the claim they were trying to assert, which was picked up by local media in Phoenix that the 7655 was in fact the forger, and it is absolutely not true. We completely not just debunked the claim by statement, but by scientific evidence and examination came to the conclusion that the 7655 did not create the layers that are associated with the Obama PDF file.
“I saw that they’re trying to say that it is a ‘debunked’ theory that the Ah’Nee birth certificate was used. That is an absolute falsehood. They throw around the word ‘debunked’ all the time to make you think someone debunked it. The truth of the matter is it’s been scientifically proven that the Ah’Nee document was one of the source documents in the creation of the Obama document. It was determined by two separate forensic examinations, one digital and one old-school, print-and-paper, that the Ah’Nee certificate was one of the documents used, if not the sole document to create the Obama PDF file. It’s an indisputable fact.”
“Did Forlab address the copier claim?” The Post & Email asked, to which Zullo replied:
Yes, at my request. You have to realize: My job is not to just spin, as these people do, but to find the facts, and back up our claim with scientific and forensic evidence. So while these people want to run around and say, “Oh, well, it took you four years to finally figure out the Xerox machine was part of it,” that’s not true. I actually went to Xerox’s corporate headquarters in Phoenix and spent two hours there with a technician learning how these processes work. It has nothing to do that; it has to do with the process of elimination to get to the truth. The decision I made was, “We are going to get away from this whole Xerox nonsense; this is a red herring.”
On May 30, 2014, The Post & Email summarized an interview between Zullo and “Freedom Friday” host Carl Gallups, writing, in part:
Gallups reviewed the information Zullo revealed last week, including that an NSA document is in the sheriff’s hands which explains how to erase metadata from documents. He also mentioned “the Obots,” who had insisted that a certain type of Xerox copier would have produced the anomalies found in the birth certificate image, unexpectedly leading to the new vein of investigation which apparently has revealed the identities of those who created the forgeries.
Recalling that discovery, Zullo told us Wednesday, “The NSA trained their operatives to use Xerox copiers in the making of fraudulent documents, so we know about that. When you do an investigation like this, you have to take out what the opposing side is going to throw at you, so you take it out early. So I had to eliminate the possibility that the 7655 was responsible. And I did; I eliminated it; it’s not even a factor anymore.”
As for comments critical of his decision to withhold release of the forensic examiners’ reports, Zullo responded, “I’ve said this over and over again. I will not publicly release that paid-for information. Those reports costs thousands and thousands of dollars, and they’re not out there to become public fodder. What’s not going to happen and what I will not allow to happen is the typical thing that’s been occurring since the beginning of the whole birth-certificate inquiry: that blatant lies get posted which are designed to deceive, conflate and confuse. I absolutely refuse to put forth those documents to have them bandied about in the court of public opinion, where, quite frankly, they do not matter. Those documents are reserved for the day, which I’m sure will come, when this whole incident gets examined through the proper legal channels. So they can stop asking; watch the video, and that’s all you need to know.
PDF released by the White House said to represent Obama’s long-form birth certificate from Hawaii.
“As far as the ‘censorship’ comment someone made, [former White House senior adviser Dan] Pfeiffer in his own book wrote that they crafted a media blackout on the birth certificate issue. There were discussions daily about this birth certificate problem. They did take it seriously; they knew they had a problem.”
The podcast in which Pfeiffer speaks extensively about the birth-certificate issue is titled, “Crooked Conversations.”
Zullo then added:
“Here’s another thing: if our investigation was actually nonsense, the FBI would have jumped in immediately. The Secret Service would have jumped in. They didn’t jump in because they could not investigate it.”
“Why couldn’t they investigate it?” we asked.
“Because they would have to come to the conclusions. We had a corrupt DOJ and a corrupt FBI and spineless Republicans. I went to Washington four times…where are you going to go with it? What are you going to do with it? But to have the reports bandied about in the courts of public opinion? No, I’m not going to do that.”
On September 8, 2019, The Post & Email reported, “After the second presser held on July 17, 2012, this writer contacted the FBI media office in Washington, DC and after approximately five transfers, was able to reach a spokesman who admitted to having watched the entire presser the day before. When we inquired as to what role the FBI might play given investigators’ declared findings as to Obama’s government documents, the spokesman advised concerned citizens to “contact their Congressman.”
Mike Zullo wrote:
“The NSA trained their operatives to use Xerox copiers in the making of fraudulent documents, so we know about that. …”
But they did not, apparently, in this case. So the whole Xerox thing was a smoke screen that threw you off the scent for five years?
Here is just one “point of forgery” where Zullo claimed that “Oahu” in box 6b was copied from the Ah’Nee birth certificate:
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/image_thumb-8.png
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/image_thumb-9.png
The Obama BC box 6b is on top and the Ah’Nee 6b is on the bottom. Does anyone take the claim seriously?
If the Xerox 7655 theory was discounted by investigators, how did that “throw them off the scent for five years”?
No investigators discounted the Xerox theory.
At the first two press conferences Mike Zullo presented as evidence of forgery the layers in the LFBC PDF file. Those were eventually explained by the fact that the PDF was generated by compression software embedded in firmware on a Xerox 7655 that employed JBIG2 and MRC compression algorithms.
Zullo eventually admitted his testing confirmed that this benign work process on a Xerox generated layers.
Zullo made additional claims like the one that the Obama certificate number was out of sequence with other known Hawaii issued certificates. These also did not pan out.
So as of 2016 hardly any of Zullo’s claims were left. Since the CCP investigation began in 2011 that means that after 5 years he had essentially nothing. After Arpaio was defeated in November 2016 Zullo hurriedly trotted out a brand new theory that the Obama certificate was somehow copied from another 1961 certificate from a girl born two weeks later than Obama.
As I have shown this theory was easily debunked and could just as easily be said to be proof that the Ah’Nee certificate was copied from Obama’s.
Then how do you explain the numbers of the Nordyke twins’ birth certificates, which are 10637 and 10638, respectively? Obama’s is 10641, but he was purportedly born the day before.
“Then how do you explain the numbers of the Nordyke twins’ birth certificates, which are 10637 and 10638, respectively? Obama’s is 10641, but he was purportedly born the day before.”
Zullo called out-of-sequence numbers a failed theory.
The evidence shows:
1) Birth certificates were collected for the entire month.
2) Separated into geographic regions (Oahu is made up of two regions the city of Honolulu and the rest of Honolulu County).
3) Alphabetized by last name and stamped.
Look at this list of birth certificates. They are separated into region, alphabetized by last name but they are not in chronological order.
Honolulu City Geographic Region
Ah’Nee, Johanna – 09945 – 8/23/1961, Kapiolani Hospital
Henderson, Bruce – 10286 – 8/25/1961, Kaiser Foundation
Nordyke, Susan – 10637 – 8/5/1961, Kapiolani Hospital
Nordyke, Gretchen – 10638- 8/5/1961, Kapiolani Hospital
Obama, Barack – 10641- 8/4/1961, Kapiolani Hospital
Waidelich, Stig – 10920- 8/5/1961, Kapiolani Hospital
Balance of Honolulu County Geographic Region
Sunahara, Virginia – 11080 – 8/4/1961, Wahiawa General Hospital
These specious claims have already been made and do not prove that the Obama LFBC is not a forgery. Your repeated false claims do a disservice to the readership. Zullo spoke with the former registrar, Verna K. Lee, whose signature appears on the forgery and explained exactly how the process worked while she was in charge, and it had nothing to do with “regional” organization. Zullo has done the work, proved to this publication that it is solid and that the experts he hired came to their own conclusions in a methodical, reliable manner. The fact is that the Obama LFBC is a forgery for which people can still be brought to account, and that is what you so very much fear.
Comments to this article are now closed, and purveyors of false information can hawk their disinformation somewhere else.
I have just finished reading all of the Obama birth certificate. It is as always a dead end with Hawaii. The truth is that Obama was born in Kenya. I have a copy of his birth certificate as other data regarding his non-citizen status.
And which copy is that?
Okay so Zullo is not going to release the expert reports to the general public but who has he given the reports to? Trump administration officials?
I see the usual suspects – the Obama sycophants – are out in force.
Do you want the admin to censor all the comments from people you do not agree with politically?
Why not discuss issues like whether Mike Zullo’s claim that Barack Obama’s LFBC PDF file was copied from Johanna Ah’Nee’s certificate? There is nothing at all political about that. It is something that can be analyzed rationally.
Zullo: “Obviously, all copiers have the ability to produce links and layers, but the 7655 copier could not produce the links and layers that are displayed in the Obama document. As a matter of fact, some of the very fields that have been in question and pulled over from the Ah’Nee document are on their own layer in that document, and the 7655 cannot do that.”
What does this mean? All of the elements “pulled over from the Ah’Nee document” with the except of one check box are on the main 1-bit text layer.
Zullo: “watch the video, and that’s all you need to know.”
I’ve watched it and I would like to know about the mistake you made in it.
Point of forgery #4 is that Obama’s check box and X in box 7e was pulled over from Ah’Nee check box and X in box 7e.
Point of forgery #9 is that Obama’s check box and in box 7e was copied and pasted from the Ah’Nee check box #6d (mistaken labeled 6e in your video).
Which is it? Either it was pulled over directly from Ah’Nee’s #7 check box or it was copied and pasted from Ah’Nee’s #6d check box. It can not be both.
This is a direct contradiction to your evidence that calls into question your experts’ opinion.
Trust me on this – a defense attorney will eat you alive over this mistake.
Back in 2016 Zullo claimed they got a Xerox 7655 and went through great effort to get the same software version as was available in 2011. But then he never released any of the PDFs created by his 7655.
He told Hagemann and Hagemann that the 7655 created the tax return and birth certificate images.
https://www.blogtalkradio.com/hagmannreport/2016/12/17/mike-zullo-carl-gallups–nine-points-of-forgery–the-hagmann-report-121616
Did those PDFs have an erased margin around the outside edge?
He said they got one fewer layers. Was there one 8-bit layer and six 1-bit layers?
Could the layers be mover around? If so what was left behind? White halos?
Why not release those PDFs so they can be loaded into Illustrator?
He seems to be hiding a lot of stuff.
I would be surprised if Zullo agreed to release those PDFs.
He has made certain claims about them and their layers (links for example) and the claims would easily shown to be false.
Zullo : “…examination came to the conclusion that the 7655 did not create the layers that are associated with the Obama PDF file.”
Mark Gillar: “The layering was caused by the 7655 copier.”
https://mobile.twitter.com/gillar1776/status/1246912642637344770
Mike Zullo wrote:
“Here’s another thing: if our investigation was actually nonsense, the FBI would have jumped in immediately. The Secret Service would have jumped in. They didn’t jump in because they could not investigate it.”
I don’t know why he thought the FBI or Secret Service would care about the Posse investigation. Maricopa County had no jurisdiction over any crime committed outside of Arizona and that was the case for this supposed crime. The Maricopa County attorney said as much when former Posse member Brian Reilly sent him the details of the investigation. He said the investigation was nothing more than suppositions and nothing was actionable.
Unless Zullo made an actual threat of harm against President Obama neither agency would treat him as anything other than a private citizen making accusations, which is exactly what he was.
As far as the Reed Hayes and FORLAB’s reports are concerned they were paid for by donations from supporters of Joe Arpaio who were expecting Zullo to prove Obama’s LFBC was a forgery. The cost is immaterial. It was not Zullo’s money in the first place and the reports do not belong to him personally. They should have been part of a final report from the Posse before Arpaio left office.
Apparently for reasons we may never know neither Arapio nor Zullo chose to issue such a report. It is always convenient to allude to hidden damning evidence when the damning evidence does not have to be produced.
Zullo also wrote:
“Those documents are reserved for the day, which I’m sure will come, when this whole incident gets examined through the proper legal channels. So they can stop asking; watch the video, and that’s all you need to know.”
Ever heard of the statute of limitations?
The picture in right hand corner of this article shows Zullo pointing to the certificate number on Obama’s birth certificate. This is from the July, 2012 press conference, Zullo points to the number and says “I’m going to show you the out of state numbers for the batching. And this is the number that is up here [picks up poster of Obama birth certificate, points to certificate number]. This number is out of sequence.”
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lTc1bOhd-yA
Zullo went on ABC15 News the next day and repeated that the Obama birth certificate number was out of order.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2BMOw8tqooc
In an affidavit to the Alabama Supreme Court Zullo swore under oath, “Mr. Obama’s certificate should have been automatically assigned a number lower, not higher, than the numbers allocated to the certificates of the Nordyke twins.”
https://documents.pub/document/alabama-supreme-court-zullo-affidavit-final.html
Finally in January, 2017, in a now scrubbed from the Internet interview on Mike Volin’s blogtalk radio show, Zullo admitted he was wrong about the certificate numbers. This of course means he lied in his affidavit to the SCOAL.
This is the archived webpage of Volin’s show but the audio is not attached.
https://web.archive.org/web/20210221043853/https://www.blogtalkradio.com/wheresobamasbirthcertificatexcom/2017/01/06/mike-zullo-with-important-updates-the-investigation-is-not-over
Here is what Zullo said, “Let me address one other thing, this notion that the document of ah’nee might be fraudulent comes from some theory that any time there is an out of sequence certificate number that certificate must be fraudulent because the number is out of sequence. Really we have discovered is a flawed theory. We have documents …their numbers don’t run so we have come to the conclusion that at point in time Hawaii didn’t know what the hell they were doing. They just didn’t so you can’t utilize the number theory now that’s not to say the Sunahara number couldn’t have been utilized. But the theory of every time there is an out of sequence number the document is a forgery, that is a forgery.”
He is still wrong about “Hawaii didn’t know what the hell they were doing.” He just doesn’t understand how they were processed. If he had looked at the certificates he would recognize they were separated by geographic region, alphabetized by last names and numbered:
Honolulu County Geographic Regions
Honolulu City Geographic Region
Ah’Nee, Johanna – 09945 – 8/23/1961, Kapiolani Hospital
Henderson, Bruce – 10286 – 8/25/1961, Kaiser Foundation
Nordyke, Susan – 10637 – 8/5/1961, Kapiolani Hospital
Nordyke, Gretchen – 10638- 8/5/1961, Kapiolani Hospital
Obama, Barack – 10641- 8/4/1961, Kapiolani Hospital
Waidelich, Stig – 10920- 8/5/1961, Kapiolani Hospital
Balance of Honolulu County Geographic Region
Sunahara, Virginia – 11080 – 8/4/1961, Wahiawa General Hospital
Virginia Sunahara was born in a different geographic region. That’s why her number is higher.
Does that mean the “document” is not a forgery?
It certainly shows his certificate number is an authentic Hawaii birth certificate number that was generated in 1961. Coupled with the birth announcements from Hawaiian newspapers. Barack Obama Sr.’s immigration file showing that his wife had a baby in Hawaii in early August, 1961. Eyewitness testimony that Stanley Ann appeared in late August, early September, 1961 in Seattle with an infant child. It is difficult to come to any other conclusion.
It also shows the sloppiness of the Zullo investigation. And provides a better explanation as to why he won’t release the reports to peer review.
And in thinking about it maybe that is a good thing. Forlabs’ reputation can only be damaged by the report.
The document is not a forgery because the State of Hawaii says what is in the document is a true and accurate representation of what is in their vital records.
The issuing authority (in this case Hawaii) is the ultimate authority under the Constitution. Either you believe in the Constitution or you do not.
And you lament censorship. What a complete fraud you are.
Did I say you were a fraud?
I apologize for the rude comment but several times now I have left comments that have disappeared for hours or even a day. They do not show up in moderation. They just disappear. Some then do eventually show up. That is very frustrating if you have written a long comment and do not know if it is lost in the bit bucket.
Moderation might not be censorship but it is difficult to carry on a discussion if comments sit in moderation for a long time. I am always game for a civil discussion but that does not mean I will not point out a falsehood or half truth from time to time.
There are times when “moderation” may take longer than usual. Chances are that your comment is awaiting moderation, even if for several hours, than that it simply “disappeared.” Rest assured that each and every comment is reviewed and either published, trashed for cause or marked as spam if it so merits.
What merits being “trashed for cause” or “marked as spam”?
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Those guidelines appear not to be followed because comments containing personal attacks, threats, and false statements are routinely published. To say nothing about long and repetitious comments. Meanwhile, comments that have not violated any guideline have been censored.
No, Sharon.
It means, according to Fred Muggs, that if you don’t believe the Hearsay from officials with the State of Hawaii, you don’t believe in the U.S. Constitution. Mr Muggs is saying that he completely depends on the claim of someone else. He personally has no 1st hand knowledge of what’s on file at the HDoH.
The Obama Long Form Substitute birth document that was released in April 2011 might be a true and accurate representation of what the State of Hawaii has in their vital records.
But, according to Reed Hayes, Zullo’s document expert and Dr Conspiracy, an Obot Overlord who has experience working with vital records, they both claimed the Obama birth document, said to be on file in the HDoH’s vital records, needs to be released for comparison with the Substitute released in 2011 to end the Hearsay and prove the Substitute is a genuine reproduction of what HDoH has on file in its vital records.
Then there’s that nagging question that has been around for years: How long has the one in HDoH’s vital records been there? Could document experts determine a timeline by examining it?
Here’s an old report from the Office of the Inspector General on Birth Certificate fraud. Excerpt from page 17: In spite of the fact that 25 State registrars say that birth certificate fraud has been committed by vital records employees in their State, only 14 States conduct background checks on vital records office employees.
https://oig.hhs.gov/oei/reports/oei-07-99-00570.pdf
This OIG report has nothing to do with Barack Obama’s birth certificate since his was validated by the top officials in the Hawaii DoH. Besides he was accepted on the ballot in every state and won enough electoral votes to be elected twice.
Birth certificates fall under one of the hearsay exceptions in FRCP Rule 803. What is your point?
Is there any time limitations for usurpation?
That is fraud and there is no statute of limitation on fraud. There is also no statute of limitation on spineless republicans with power to do something about this. And, I did contact my congressman Michael Burgess with Lead Investigator Mike Zillow on speaker phone about the now missing National Archive missing documents.
The statute of limitations for federal fraud is 10 years.
https://www.justice.gov/archives/jm/criminal-resource-manual-959-ten-year-statute-limitations
Obama released his birth certificate over 10 years ago.
959. TEN-YEAR STATUTE OF LIMITATIONS
18 U.S.C. § 3293(2) provides for a ten-year statute of limitations for a violation of, or a conspiracy to violate, the mail or wire fraud statutes, if the offense affects a financial institution. Moreover, the ten-year statute applies to offenses committed prior to enactment of FIRREA, provided the previously applicable statute of limitations had not run as of the date of FIRREA’s enactment. Pub.L. No. 101-73, Title IX, § 961(l)(3), 103 Stat. 501.
How did/does this offense of fraud affect a financial institution, and which specific financial institution(s) did/does it affect?
10 year statute of limitations for false statements on passport application.
https://www.justice.gov/archives/jm/criminal-resource-manual-1524-false-identification-immigration-matters-18-usc-1541-1546
In most cases the federal statute of limitations is five years.
“The Proper legal channels” have already been given enough proof to convict Obama for Treason and Espionage against the United States. They, to date, refuse to honor their oaths of office and to bring Obama and his accomplices to Justice.
I had a Secret clearance at one time during my Naval service. I have seen people go to the brig for much lesser offenses against the United States. Obama should have been tried years ago and if convicted executed for Treason during time of war along with all of his accomplices.
Is this what Mike Z seems to be saying (please don’t take offense, none intended!).
Relevance?
Sharon, in answer to your question: None (that any normal person would think of!). Actually, “But I won’t do that” is pretty much what Mike Zullo is telling us. He even said as much near the end of your article. Frankly, I’ve never understood Mike Z’s silence, but the fact is that he did say quite a lot before. Then, I believe that he and his family were threatened with their lives. Anyway, my “musical” comment was “tongue-in-cheek.” I don’t think that Mike Z and I have a problem, at least I hope not. My problem is only with his one-time buddy, Pastor Carl Gallups! Hope I have explained myself diplomatically enough and well enough to avoid the newly formed “Disinformation Police” on Capitol Hill! I just thought of Meatloaf’s song when I heard some of the things Mike was saying! Forgive my sometimes sick sense of humor! Cheers, Tom Arnold.