“OBAMAS BIRTHPLACE”
by Sharon Rondeau
(Nov. 5, 2017) — Protesters lining South Beretania Street in Honolulu, HI, where Barack Hussein Obama reportedly was raised by his maternal grandparents in the 1970s, held up signs on Friday which read, “Welcome to Kenya” to greet President Donald Trump’s motorcade during his visit to Pearl Harbor and the USS Arizona Memorial.
According to The Hill, where the photos were published, the protesters were “trolling” Trump.
One woman held a sign which said:
No Trump
HI is Obamas Birthplace [sic]
The signs were an apparent hearkening back to Trump’s public questioning of Obama’s presidential eligibility and demand that he produce his “long-form,” or more detailed, birth certificate in 2011.
In June 2008, a party identified by Politifact’s Amy Hollyfield as Obama campaign staffer Tommy Vietor reportedly released a “short-form” birth certificate to members of the media and websites such as The Daily KOS, Politifact, Snopes.com and Factcheck.org, which posted it affirming it to be “Obama’s birth certificate.”
Snopes no longer displays the short-form birth certificate but asserts that the long-form image is authentic.
Contrary to some reports, Trump never claimed that Obama was born in Kenya, although news sources, Obama’s former literary agent, and political pundits have.
The media is well aware that Article II, Section 1, clause 5 of the U.S. Constitution requires the president and commander-in-chief to be a “natural born Citizen,” although the precise meaning of the term has been debated extensively since Obama became a presidential candidate.
In the past, a number of other candidates prompted renewed discussion of the issue, to include George Romney, who was born in Mexico to U.S.-citizen parents; former Connecticut Gov. Lowell P. Weicker, who was born in Paris, France to U.S.-citizen parents; and Sen. John S. McCain, III, born in Panama to U.S.-citizen parents.
To most Americans, “natural born Citizen” means, at a minimum, “born in the United States.” However, American history shows that the citizenship of a candidate’s parents, or at least the father, at the time of his birth was a factor in determining that status.
In 2015, Sen. Ted Cruz averred that he is a “natural born Citizen” eligible for the U.S. presidency as a result of his being born to a U.S.-citizen mother, although in Canada and to a Cuban-citizen father. Just before he declared himself a presidential candidate, two former solicitors general published an editorial in the Harvard Law Review arguing in favor of Cruz’s eligibility based solely upon his mother’s presumed citizenship at the time of his birth.
Obama claims to have been born to a father who was a citizen first of Great Britain, and later Kenya, after it achieved its independence from the Crown in December 1963. Obama’s life narrative states that his mother, Stanley Ann Dunham, was a U.S. citizen 18 years of age when he was born at Kapiolani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital in Honolulu, HI on August 4, 1961.
According to former detective Mike Zullo, who conducted a 5+-year investigation into the authenticity of the long-form birth certificate image published by the White House on April 27, 2011, a hospital official claimed that there is no record of Obama’s birth at Kapiolani, which is now part of the Hawaii Pacific Health system.
The investigation was launched in August 2011 by then-Maricopa County Sheriff Joseph Arpaio and delegated to his “Cold Case Posse,” which Zullo headed at the time. After six months of probing, Zullo announced at a press conference that probable cause existed to determine that the long-form birth certificate image is a “computer-generated forgery.”
Two subsequent pressers revealed additional details gleaned from the ongoing investigation, culminating in the declaration last December that two credentialed forensic analysts agreed with Zullo that the long-form image could not be genuine based on “nine points of forgery.”
Zullo had previously said that investigators found no evidence that Obama was ever present in the state of Hawaii prior to the age of five.
In an interview last Monday with Mike Volin of WOBC, Arpaio said that Trump had “some information,” presumably about Obama’s birth certificate since that was the topic of discussion, before the investigation commenced in August 2011. As he did at a speaking engagement on September 29, Arpaio expressed incredulity that the mainstream media consistently refused to report and conduct its own research into Zullo’s findings for the edification of the American people.
A caller to the program, Arizona resident Jeff Lichter, recounted that during a face-to-face meeting with Trump at Trump Tower in New York City in early April 2011, Trump had predicted that a birth certificate “forgery” would be released by the White House in the near future.
During the investigation, Zullo traveled to Hawaii twice to obtain information from HDOH officials but was turned away by then-Deputy Attorney General Jill Nagamine, who refused Zullo access to HDOH Registrar Dr. Alvin Onaka.
In its coverage of Trump’s visit on Friday, The Hill reported, “The president’s arrival in Hawaii was met by disruptive protests against his immigration policies by Hawaiians beating drums and cheering former President Obama, who was born and spent part of his childhood in the state.”
To Tom Arnold who purveys false statements:
“Why has “Obama” claimed two different birthplaces (at least)? Because he LIES! Almost everybody accepts and knows that!!”
He hasn’t. My question was what was the motive between telling some publisher with an uncirculated blurb that he was born in Kenya and tell the high circulation new york times that he was born in Hawaii? The answer is he didn’t. It was a simple fact checking error by a junior copy editor.
“Why did his grandmother in Kenya say she was present at his birth, if the birth took place in Hawaii? Hmm!”
She didn’t. I showed you the full transcript. McRae was constantly interchanging “your son” with “your grandson” in an effort to confuse the translator. The question was if she was present when her son was born. She said she was present. When McRae asked for clarification about the birth of her grandson she said she was present in Kenya when Obama was born in Hawaii. She said he was born in Hawaii multiple times and has since given interviews stating the same: https://www.salon.com/2012/06/22/barack_obama_wasnt_born_in_kenya/
“And, by the way, why did “Obama” (actual name Soetoro) fail E-VERIFY! Is he UNDOCUMENTED?”
He didn’t. If you read the supposed error it said nothing about his name not matching or it not being assigned. The fact is the person who ran the E-verify used the Self check system meant for checking one’s own social. The program requires more than just a name, social and address and birthdate. There is a second screen which does a third party verification of identity. This third party verification asks things like if you have an auto loan, which bank processes the loan and what is the amount of the monthly payment. You know something only the person whose social it was would know. The person who used the self check failed the third party verification and thus got an error. Further at the time it was run the program wasn’t rolled out yet in all 50 states. Hawaii and Illinois wasn’t in the list at the time.
“And, why did the Courts Martial Judge (Col Denise Lind) in the Terry Lakin case DENY Lakin and his attorneys’ request for DISCOVERY? ”
Because Discovery wouldn’t have done anything. His orders had nothing to do with his belief in Obama being a citizen. His orders derived from his CO and not the President. Even if he got Obama’s birth certificate presented to him during discovery it wouldn’t have changed Lakin’s insubordination and he still would have been guilty as charged. Lakin even admitted in court his orders were valid and he was guilty of disobeying them.
“And, why did “Obama” (then known by his legal name Barry Soetoro) proclaim as a teenager in Hawaii to a US serviceman that he, “Obama,” was going to be president of the United States some day? Later, when residing in Chicago with Tom and Mary Ayers (parents of “Obama’s” good friend domestic terrorist Bill Ayers), he again made the same proclamation! This time it was to the Ayers’ postman. ”
You really believe the race bannon nonsense? There’s no proof Obama said that to a US Serviceman or that the postman even met Obama. He claimed “Obama” had an indonesian smile. Over the years the postman had adjusted his story and only late in the game did birthers think he was even trustworthy. The postman can’t support his claims no more than race bannon could.
“I want to assure you that I am not a racist! No matter, anyway, the fact is that “Obama” is an Arab American (44% Arab and 50% White) instead of Black (only 6% ethnically)”
And where did you pull those percentages from? The Luo tribe isn’t Arabic.
Here is a clear image of the ring without any inscription.
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2427/3860761732_da815a83c4_o.jpg
And here here is a simialr style ring from East Java, Indonesia
And you wonder why no one takes you seriously.
The ring thing has been explained as nonsense. High definition images of the ring show it not to have any inscriptions at all.
https://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/weddingring.asp
Tom Arnold and Jerome Corsi are, of course, free to believe whatever they desire, but there is no evidence that Obama’s ring is enscribed with the first part of the Shahada.
One LAST thing.
For years, “Obama” has worn a gold ring on his left-hand wedding finger with the Islamic inscription on it, “THERE IS NO GOD BUT ALLAH.”
Very similar to the meaning of Allahu Akbar, i.e. “God is great.” Wouldn’t you say!
WHAT, I ASK, T.F. BOW, MARK BELLISON, AND OTHERS LIKE YOU, DO YOU MAKE OF THIS?
http://www.wnd.com/2012/10/obamas-ring-there-is-no-god-but-allah/
Tom Arnold.
I now have attempted TWICE to send a comment to ThePostEmail (regarding “Obama’s” constitutional ineligibility and an UNSIGNED written response which I received on March 23, 2015, from the FBI Inspector General, which stated, “THIS OFFICE CONSIDERS THE MATTERS RAISED IN YOUR MOST RECENT LETTER AND IN PREVIOUS CORRESPONDENCES TO BE CLOSED, AND WE DO NOT INTEND TO EXCHANGE FURTHER CORRESPONDENCE WITH YOU REGARDING THIS MATTER. ACCORDINGLY, THIS OFFICE WILL TAKE NO FURTHER ACTION REGARDING YOUR CORRESPONDENCE AND CONSIDERS THE MATTER CLOSED.”
Both times that I have attempted to post such comments, the comments have been rejected and/or deleted! I have no idea why.
Forgive me for saying so, but this is BULLS__T!
Tom Arnold.
Your comments have not been deleted if they have come through; a number them have been published here in recent days. Please refrain from using profanity, as it breaches our guidelines: https://www.thepostemail.com/about/
Three-Pound Sledge and Lawerence Sellin are, of course, free to believe whatever they want (including their beliefs about congressional intent and influence of “The Law of Nations”), but every judge who considered the issue has concluded birth in the United States is sufficient to confer natural-born citizenship.
For those born in the United States (and Obama was, as Hawaii was in the United States at the time of his birth), no judge has ever said two citizens were necessary to confer natural-born citizenship.
And here’s a thought: The United States isn’t naturally occurring; it exists only because United States government wrote laws deeming what and where it is.
No U.S. Government law can make nor deem a person a natural born U.S. Citizen. A natural born U.S. Citizen is one by the natural act of being born on U.S. soil to two U.S. citizen parents, one male, one female. That is why there are no U.S. Naturalization Laws with the phrase “natural born Citizen”, only “Citizen”.
Enjoy:
Hawai’ian Long Form Birth Certificate will forever be a mind-numbing red herring propaganda rag for the Constitutionally illiterate. An Hawai’i birth only means that the jug-eared CIA puppet is but a statutory U.S. citizen if one was to believe that his sperm donor was Barack HUSSEIN Obama, Sr. – a citizen of Kenya.
Knock yourselves out with the Hawai’ian nativity. It means diddly squat. You always need two U.S. citizen parents and born on U.S. soil to be a natural born Citizen. Kenya dig it?
http://www.dcclothesline.com/2016/01/10/the-difference-between-a-u-s-citizen-and-a-natural-born-citizen/
TF (Terribly Funny) Bozo and Mark Bellilaugh, chew on this:
“United States Congress, “An act to establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization” (March 26, 1790).”
“Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, That any Alien being a free white person, who shall have resided within the limits and under the jurisdiction of the United States for the term of two years, may be admitted to become a citizen thereof on application to any common law Court of record in any one of the States wherein he shall have resided for the term of one year at least, and making proof to the satisfaction of such Court that he is a person of good character, and taking the oath or affirmation prescribed by law to support the Constitution of the United States, which Oath or Affirmation such Court shall administer, and the Clerk of such Court shall record such Application, and the proceedings thereon; and thereupon such person shall be considered as a Citizen of the United States. And the children of such person so naturalized, dwelling within the United States, being under the age of twenty one years at the time of such naturalization, shall also be considered as citizens of the United States. And the children of citizens of the United States that may be born beyond Sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born Citizens: Provided, that the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons whose fathers have never been resident in the United States: Provided also, that no person heretofore proscribed by any States, shall be admitted a citizen as aforesaid, except by an Act of the Legislature of the State in which such person was proscribed.”
“United States Congress, “An act to establish an uniform rule of Naturalization; and to repeal the act heretofore passed on that subject” (January 29, 1795).”
Interpreted: The Founding Fathers knew that to be a natural born Citizen, you could not be born off U.S. soil. So now, these individuals are only statutory citizens – via Naturalization Law
Amended as follows:
“SEC. 3. And be it further enacted, that the children of persons duly naturalized, dwelling within the United States, and being under the age of twenty-one years, at the time of such naturalization, and the children of citizens of the United States, born out of the limits and jurisdiction of the United States, shall be considered as citizens of the United States: Provided, That the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons, whose fathers have never been resident of the United States: Provided also, That no person heretofore proscribed by any state, or who has been legally convicted of having joined the army of Great Britain during the late war, shall be admitted a citizen as foresaid, without the consent of the legislature of the state, in which such person was proscribed.”
All of the public information supplied by Arpaio is available on the internet, no need to mail it to anyone. Just supply links.
The issue of Obama’s birth is not as muddied as people pretend if one looks to official sources such as the Departmentbof Health in Hawaii.
FWIW, here is Obama’s 1999 Illinois Senate biography (note – born in Hawaii)
http://web.archive.org/web/19991109015159/http://www.legis.state.il.us/homepages/senate/obamab.html
Jeffrey Harrison: you may recall that I noted sending information to one individual at a time was inefficient. I suggested publicly posting the information on the internet so it could reach the widest audience possible. Disseminate that link, and I’ll be happy to review it.
Thank you in advance for that effort.
Tom Arnold is, of course, free to believe Larry Sinclair’s baseless accusations. But, to quote Gary Wilmott, saying something doesn’t make it true.
t.f. bow thanks for coming on board and contributing remarks and insights. You are truly an asset. In fact, you have been a “Force Multiplier”. Because of your input, others come here to remark and reply to your statements and insights. Indeed, continue to be free to believe and say what you believe… But don’t go away, your assistance is appreciated.
Oh! As a local Pennsylvanian volunteer for and of Sheriff Arpaio I am not nor in the loop of all
the information and evidence Arpaio has. And don’t want to be. I do have much of what Arpaio has released to the general public.
As you should recall I did offer to send you the information and evidence that Arpaio has released to the general public. However, your inaction of this offer reveals you maybe be
less serious in obtaining it nor absorbing the truth. That offer still holds. How about getting
me a address, and I’ll send you the noted materials.
My phone number is: (814) 375 -2490 P.S. I’ll even send it Express/Overnight Delivery.
I beg your indulgence.
There is something else that I feel compelled to tell you about- especially today when there are so many accusations being brought against politicians, movie stars, and other prominent individuals, involving alleged acts, or crimes, of sexual harassment/sexual misconduct.
SO, WHY IS IT THAT “BARACK OBAMA” IS NOT A SUBJECT OF THIS DISCUSSION? BILL CLINTON WAS (AND CONTINUES TO BE)..
I am not saying that being “gay” (like he, “Obama”) is necessarily bad conduct or criminal, but that some behaviors by “gay” persons, especially those who are in positions of public trust (e.g. elected senators and/or presidents), should be critically examined and disavowed and/or prosecuted if true. National security concerns are even in play.
To get to my point- see and consider the below arguably true facts.
http://www.wnd.com/2012/09/claim-obama-hid-gay-life-to-become-president/
https://www.amazon.com/Barack-Obama-Larry-Sinclair-Cocaine/dp/0578013878
Does this put things in proper perspective for you?
Tom Arnold.
Tom Arnold is, of course, free to believe whatever he wants, but Obama has never claimed to have two different birthplaces; he has consistently said he was born in Hawaii (other than the times he was making very obvious jokes). Similarly, Obama’s grandmother said Obama was born in Hawaii.
Presumably the Social Security Number ending in -4425 was retired shortly after it was published, and Obama was issued a different one. So -4425 later failing eVerify is unsurprising given that it likely is no longer a valid number.
Terry Lakin was not denied discovery; rather the judge ruled that Obama’s eligibility was not relevant to the charges of disobeying orders. If Lakin disagreed with the judge’s ruling, Lakin could have appealed; instead, Lakin pleaded guilty and waived his appeal. The judge’s did use the word “embarrass,” but, in addition to its common usage, “embarrass” also has a specific legal meaning, and judge’s usage correctly applied that legal meaning to Lakin’s case.
There is no evidence that Obama ever legally changed his last name to Soetoro.
There is also no evidence about Obama’s childhood proclamations, just hearsay (which is a fancy legal word for gossip).
There is also no evidence that Obama is 44% Arab.
There is no evidence that Obama ever threatened Clinton; presumably she dropped out the 2008 primary because she realized that she could not win a majority of the delegates at the convention.
As various judges have repeatedly ruled, Obama’s Hawaiian birth is sufficient to confer him natural-born citizenship. Which is why no one in the government or the media is picking up on this issue: there is nothing to pick up.
To: Bob Ross and others.
Why has “Obama” claimed two different birthplaces (at least)? Because he LIES! Almost everybody accepts and knows that!!
Why did his grandmother in Kenya say she was present at his birth, if the birth took place in Hawaii? Hmm!
And, by the way, why did “Obama” (actual name Soetoro) fail E-VERIFY! Is he UNDOCUMENTED?
And, why did the Courts Martial Judge (Col Denise Lind) in the Terry Lakin case DENY Lakin and his attorneys’ request for DISCOVERY? She, the military kangaroo court judge, actually said that it was because Discovery of “commander-in-chief Obama’s” bona fides MIGHT BE “EMBARRASSING” TO HIM! I’ll say it would be!
And, why did “Obama” (then known by his legal name Barry Soetoro) proclaim as a teenager in Hawaii to a US serviceman that he, “Obama,” was going to be president of the United States some day? Later, when residing in Chicago with Tom and Mary Ayers (parents of “Obama’s” good friend domestic terrorist Bill Ayers), he again made the same proclamation! This time it was to the Ayers’ postman. Can you say “MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE!”
Why did Hillary “What Difference Does It Make” Clinton drop out of the democrat primary for the 2008 presidential election, and later get rewarded by an appointment as “Obama’s” Secretary of State? Wasn’t it after threats against her and her family, and to keep her mouth shut?
I want to assure you that I am not a racist! No matter, anyway, the fact is that “Obama” is an Arab American (44% Arab and 50% White) instead of Black (only 6% ethnically). I also do NOT hate “Obama.” I am not what some call a “hater.” I am a Christian. I just want to see REASON, LAW AND ORDER, AND OUR US CONSTITUTION honored and vindicated. The man, to put it succinctly, is a TREASONER.
He is not a NATURAL BORN AMERICAN CITIZEN (if a citizen of any recognized legal description at all).
More to come if you like. Tom Arnold.
To: T.F. BOW, et al.
Speaking of “historical facts,” I’ve got one last opinion, which I firmly believe is true, for you and anybody else who gives a damn.
OUR COUNTRY, THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, HAS BEEN LIVING A LIE FOR THE PAST DECADE (2007-2017). HOW DO YOU LIKE LIVING A LIE? HOW DO YOU LIKE PERPETRATING IT?
Time is way overdue for somebody, anybody, who is brave enough, patriotic enough, and hopefully influential and righteous enough, to correct the historical record! You know what I’m talking about. So do Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck, Michael Savage, FAUX News, the FBI, Secret Service, US Supreme Court (“we’re evading the issue!”), Congress, and thousands if not millions of others who, thus far, have chosen to be silent. Can you say “MISPRISION?”
Tom Arnold the writer of the uncirculated blurb was Miriam Goderich a junior copy editor at the time. First time writers rarely write their own blurb. But why would Obama tell some publicist who he ended up not hiring for his first book that he was born in Kenya but then told a high circulation paper like the NY Times in 1990 that he was born in Hawaii? That makes little sense.
http://www.nytimes.com/1990/02/06/us/first-black-elected-to-head-harvard-s-law-review.html
Tom why is your obamacrimes site being dishonest about the transcript with Sarah Obama? We both know that wasn’t the full transcript. Here’s the full transcript: http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/obamatranscriptlulu109.pdf
Page 18. She said multiple times he was born in Hawaii in the interview. McRae kept interchanging asking about her son with her grandson during the interview.
Tom Arnold asks an excellent question: Given that the pamphlet’s author admits that the 1991 mistake was hers alone, and it was not discovered until Obama was president, when will blind political allegiance stop recasting innocuous historical facts as some sort .of sinister conspiracy?
My questions are: How can a mistake be made about something so basic as someone’s place of birth? Why did Chris Matthews say that it was Indonesia? Why are the facts so muddied?
Sorry, T.F. BOW, I don’t buy that for a minute! Where does blind political allegiance end, and REASON begin? Tom Arnold.
“That’s right. It’s the presumed writer of this BIO published in 1991”
That would be Miriam Goderich.
Tom Arnold is, of course, free to believe whatever he desires, but the writer of the pamphlet, which was written in 1991 but not widely disseminated until after Obama was president, admitted that it was her mistake — and not an intentional deception.
“Obama just ignored the discovery and the court allowed him to get away with it”
That’s not what the court said.
“Plaintiff seeks the following relief from the Court:
1. An order compelling Defendants to turn over: (a) a certified copy of Obama’s vault (original long version) birth certificate; (b) certified copies of all reissued and sealed birth certificates of Obama in the names referred to in the caption of this lawsuit; (c) a certified copy of Obama’s Certification of Citizenship; (d) a certified copy of Obama’s Oath of Allegiance taken upon age of majority; (e) certified copies of Obama’s admission forms for Occidental College, Columbia University and Harvard Law School; and (f) certified copies of any court orders or legal documents changing Obama’s name from Barry Soetoro to Barack Hussein Obama;”
Obama filed a motion to dismiss.
The judge citing Holland v McCain ruled Berg did not have standing.
The case never got to the discover phase.
https://www.leagle.com/decision/20081083574awfsupp2d50911035
The appeals court affirmed the district court ruling.
http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-3rd-circuit/1498770.html
Now, “T.F.BOW” and everyone else-
Let’s settle the question which liberals and “Obama” worshipers like to throw in our faces all of the time, i.e. “WHO WAS THE ‘ORIGINAL BIRTHER’?”
You like to tell us that it was Donald Trump, or Sheriff Joe, or Hillary and Bill Clinton! Actually, in some ways, the latter of those choices (The Clintons) is pretty damn close to being correct!
BUT, FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO CAN STAND THE ABSOLUTE REAL TRUTH REGARDING THE IDENTITY OF THE “ORIGINAL BIRTHER,” HERE IS THE ANSWER! GUESS WHO!
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers/booklet.asp
That’s right. It’s the presumed writer of this BIO published in 1991, which remained intact and undisputed, and APPARENTLY NOT EVEN PROOFREAD BY THE WRITER HIMSELF, until sixteen or so years later in 2007. That, as some of us know, is when the “ORIGINAL BIRTHER” SO-CALLED “BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA” HIMSELF AND HIS HANDLERS DECIDED THAT THE TIME WAS RIGHT FOR A TAKEOVER (by election fraud and other treasonable RICO crimes) OF THE US PRESIDENCY!
Everyone, especially “T.F.BOW,” got it now!