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CAN “WE THE PEOPLE” DO AWAY WITH THE “DEEP STATE?”
by Sharon Rondeau
(Dec. 19, 2017) — On Thursday, The Post & Email published the third part of an interview conducted with investigator Mike Zullo, whose five-year probe into the image posted on the White House website more than six years ago bearing the name “Barack Hussein Obama” found it to be a “computer-generated forgery.”
In recent weeks, Zullo has spoken on the topic with Dr. Jerome Corsi of Infowars, Carl Gallups of Freedom Friday, this writer, and on the WOBC radio program with Mike Volin on Monday night.
As he said to Gallups on December 1, Zullo told The Post & Email that contrary to claims made by the White House, the Hawaii Department of Health (HDOH) “never had a birth certificate for Obama and had to manufacture one.”
He compared the appearance of a letter purportedly sent by the White House in January 2009 to the Kapiolani Medical Center bearing Obama’s apparent signature to the publication of the “long-form” birth certificate image on April 27, 2011. “They refused to show it,” he said of the hospital in regard to the alleged letter, a phenomenon discovered by WND when it investigated its origins and found it to be a computer-created, HTML image rather than a photo or scan of a real, paper document.
The text of the letter depicts Obama purportedly identifying Kapiolani as “the place of my birth” but has never been presented to anyone on the record in its original, paper form, if it existed.
The image was maintained on Kapiolani’s website for six months and used for a fundraising dinner to benefit the hospital but promptly disappeared once WND revealed that it had questioned the Secret Service and FBI about its authenticity.
While the hospital claimed that it would maintain the original letter in a safe place within the facility, it refused access to then-Hawaii state Sen. Sam Slom.
The letter was also featured in the spring 2009 edition of Kapiolani’s “Inspire” magazine.
After taking office as Hawaii governor in December 2010, Abercrombie told the Honolulu Star Advertiser that he was determined to find Obama’s original birth record to convince a growing number of skeptics that Obama was born in Hawaii, as he claimed, and presumably constitutionally eligible to serve as a “natural born Citizen.” In his statement, Abercrombie did not reference former HDOH Director Chiyome Fukino’s two statements attesting to having seen Obama’s birth certificate within the department’s records.
Instead, Abercrombie said that of Obama’s birth record, he was “told, this is what our investigation is showing, it actually exists in the archives, written down …” while the now-unnamed reporter wrote, “(Abercrombie said there is a recording of the birth in the State Archives and he wants to use that.)“
When The Post & Email asked Zullo if the forgery of the birth certificate image was created by the same person who assembled the “letter,” he responded, “We don’t know that. All we know is that that hospital was involved in a cover-up and so was Abercrombie. “I think he got caught up,” Zullo said, “and he was the thrust to solve the problem. I think he got cut off prematurely, and when he couldn’t find the birth certificate, they had to come up with a story about it which was a lot of nonsense.”
“Do you know if anyone has confronted Abercrombie about what his role might have been in all of this?” we asked, to which Zullo responded, “No. Abercrombie was actually on the same aircraft that I was on flying in to Hawaii on one of my trips. He was four rows ahead of me. I sat there and watched him. I contemplated reaching out to him while we were there but decided not to.”
People were always upset that we didn’t “lock the president up,” but first of all, we didn’t have jurisdiction to do that, and second, we don’t have any information that Obama created the document himself. So we couldn’t do that. But I always said that this was going to be forwarded as internal law enforcement investigative information to a federal authority. That should have been the FBI. Now here’s the rub: when the FBI goes and talks to you, you can’t lie. So for strategic reasons, there were things I did not do which I normally would have done if this were an investigation where we would have ended up with an arrest or if we had the jurisdiction to make an arrest. That’s why I did not talk to certain players because they need to be talked to cold by the FBI.
“Did the fact that you were in different states preclude you from having jurisdiction?” we asked.
He would have had to have voluntarily asked to talk to me or agreed to talk to me; otherwise, I have no way to compel him. Even as a law enforcement officer, even if I had jurisdiction, I can’t make anyone talk to me. He would have had to agree.
But here was the danger in that: Abercrombie was a sitting governor who was surrounded by an attorney general and deputy attorneys general. There was no way I wanted to talk to them and get into a dialog with them, because they would only have gotten more information from me than I was going to get from them, and I didn’t want to give them any indication of where I was going. And it would have been better off left to the feds; they have the juice for that kind of thing, not us.
This investigation was more complicated and intricate than people give it credit for. They think all we did was play around with this PDF file, but there’s a lot more that went into it. They think I’m a wahoo from wherever, playing cop or whatever they think; they think it was all for political gain. But it turned into something real.
“Would Sheriff Arpaio have authorized the investigation purely out of a political agenda?”
There’s no way he would have kept it going as long as he did if there was a problem. If he were just doing it for the news headlines, he could have had the first press conference and been done with it. I’m the guy who sat in his office and said, “Sheriff, there’s something really wrong here.” And then he looked at me and said, “Then we gotta find out what it is.”
“He must have known that he was taking a big political risk given what ended up happening to him.”
You compound the birth certificate with them suing him over immigration, and we get the confidential informant telling us things that nobody is supposed to know.
Some of your commenters say that Arpaio testified that Montgomery’s information was “junk.” I never testified that it was junk. I testified that some of it was provable and some of it wasn’t.
Arpaio did not have a grasp of the “Deep State” at that point in time. Nobody did. Because of what I was exposed to during the course of this investigation, I started to learn about the Deep State. I’m the guy who found the guys who built the NSA harvesting software, and now I’m talking with these people on a regular basis. So when the sheriff called it “junk,” for his purposes, it didn’t bear fruit, but it did in other areas outside of the sheriff’s office. It did as far as the CIA infiltration into people’s personal lives is concerned. That’s what people miss on that; they don’t understand it.
“I recall that following your testimony two years ago in the Arpaio civil trial, no one from the media wanted to interview you.”
Nope. That’s because they realized it wasn’t what they were being led to believe. I sat there and watched the ACLU and Covington & Burling lie through their teeth and try to turn this into something that it wasn’t. That’s when I finally talked. My very first words on the stand when I talked were, “Nobody did this.” I ended up telling my story, and you could see right away that everybody knew it wasn’t what they thought it was.
“Is there any way to know how expansive the Deep State goes? Does it permeate the entire DOJ, for example, or is it just a few career employees in high places?”
I think the percentage that have bought into the Obama theory of what this country should be is a preponderance of the people. I don’t think it’s one or two; I think it’s a lot of people. That’s why we have judges trying to issue nationwide injunctions. How did that ever happen?
It reminds me of when that Congressman Jeff Miller agreed to set up a meeting with us and then pretended he never did it. It’s ridiculous the way these people act. This goes to the Deep State; they have dirt on every one of these congress people, and that’s what they were afraid of. If you go after Obama, they’re going to destroy you. That’s why we need term limits, so that this kind of thing doesn’t go on.
“Is there any proof that anyone in particularly, for instance, Chief Justice John Roberts, was told, ‘You vote to approve the health care bill or else…?'”
There’s no proof of that, but you can take it to the bank that they have that information, because our guy had that information. He was in the process of recreating emails from us that were captured over ten years ago by the Deep State, by the CIA and the NSA. The machine was starting to spit out sentences when we had to shut it down because we were running out of money.
Here is the other thing. The whole time they were telling the public that they were collecting just metadata on phone calls, but our CI told us, “No, look at this: this isn’t metadata. This is ‘to,’ ‘from,’ etc. But everybody was thinking it was metadata; it was the government line.
“An election is coming up in just under a year. Would you say that a sea change in who is in Congress might lead to the exposure of the birth certificate forgery?”
Yes, because you would need people who don’t have a fear of pursuing it. You would need people who aren’t entrenched in a political thing and made a career out of it. They don’t have to be squeaky-clean, but they can’t have a lot of uber-compromising skeletons in their closet. That’s what we need.
We need people like a Roy Moore, a guy who is fearless. We need people who just want to get to the bottom of this. And it doesn’t matter if it’s about prosecuting Obama at this point. It’s so that this can never, ever, ever happen again.