THE FRAMERS SPEAK THROUGH THE CONSTITUTION
by Sharon Rondeau
(Jul. 31, 2019) — At 9:09 AM EDT on Wednesday, The Post & Email’s readers’ log showed that someone from the Fox News Channel accessed a 2017 article about the presidential eligibility of California Sen. Kamala Harris.
The article, titled, “California Constituent: Kamala Harris Not a Natural Born Citizen,” is a reproduction of a letter written in December 2017 by Gary Wilmott to Harris as a result of widespread speculation that she would seek a run for the presidency in 2020.
Harris declared herself a candidate in January. She was born in Oakland, CA on October 20, 1964 to an Indian-citizen mother and Jamaican-citizen father. While her father, Donald Harris, later became a U.S. citizen, it is doubtful that it occurred before Kamala’s birth, as Donald Harris reportedly did not arrive in the U.S. until 1961, and there is a five-year residency requirement for all legal residents who wish to apply to become U.S. citizens.
On Tuesday morning, New York State resident Robert Laity contacted various parties at Fox News to say:
Both John McCain and Barack Obama were ineligible to be President. Because Obama seemingly got away with it, Cruz was encouraged saying “If Obama can do it so can I”. Jindal and Rubio followed. Now Harris and Gabbard. DOES Fox news CARE about Art.II and it’s provision designed to promote our national security? NONE of the people above-mentioned are “Natural Born Citizens”.
As The Post & Email has reported, FNC’s Steve Doocy is often inclined to suggest that foreigners such as UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson and the child born to Prince Harry and his wife, Megan Markle, are eligible to serve as United States president either due to birthplace, as in Johnson’s case, or birth to a U.S.-citizen parent, as in the case of Archie Harrison Mountbatten-Windsor.
Article II, Section 1, clause 5 of the U.S. Constitution requires that the nation’s chief executive be a “natural born Citizen.” Some legal scholars say that a birth in the United States is sufficient to confer “natural born” status, but others say that the citizenship of the parents is equally important.
“The president must have sole allegiance to the United States,” constitutional educator Krisanne Hall has said. She has declared Harris ineligible to the presidency based on what would be her “fractured allegiance.”
Requiring that presidents (and VPs) be a natural born Citizen of the USA is all about ensuring lifelong exclusive allegiance to the USA. That means being born to 100 percent USA citizen parents who both are free from USA recognized dual citizenships and being born free from any USA recognized jus soli citizenship claims. This makes one both a born citizen and a natural citizen (one whose USA citizenship depends on no law or statute). Typically natural born Citizens are born in the USA to USA citizen parents, but exceptions are possible (such as being born at high seas to USA citizen parents). The guiding principle is 100 percent exclusive USA allegiance.
Thank you Dr. Laity, that was my understanding too. What makes The Post and Email such an important source of news is that it doesn’t matter who the person is, it’s about the CITIZENSHIP. For example, we all know that Ivana Trump was not a citizen until 1988, so President Trump’s children with Ivana are not NBCs and would not be eligible. President Trump and Ivana married in April 1977, and Donald Trump Jr. was born in December. Ivanka was born in 1981, followed by Eric in 1984. Ivana Trump became a U.S. citizen in 1988, but she was legally living in the country. I’m pretty certain President Trump’s daughter Tiffany is a NBC though because her Mother, Marla Maples, was a NBC to the best I can research. Thank you again Mrs. Rondeau, your hard work is appreciated!
Todd, Parents who want their sons or daughters to be President MUST give birth to them IN the United States. U.S. Bases and Embassies in foreign nations are NOT U.S. soil. They are leased by the host nation and are therefore still sovereign soil of said host nation. McCain was born in Colon, Panama. Even though both his parents were US Citizens and he met the 100% U.S. jus sanquinis (of the blood of Americans) requirement, he did NOT meet the U.S. jus soli (of the soil) requirement in the legal definition of NBC. One born IN the US to parents who are both US Citizens themselves.
How does this impact people whose American military parents has them overseas off-base? What if a soon to be American mom on an overseas trip has a premature birth?
Over on the Twitter, Krisanne Hall is discussing this issue and article.
https://mobile.twitter.com/KrisAnneHall/status/1156676528119435265
Tom Arnold, In the last (11) years I sent two letters to the US Supreme Court on this issue. One very recently. It was Thomas that wanted the issue brought up, I discovered. He was whistleblowing to Congress when he told Congressman Serrano that SCOTUS was “evading the issue”. The Court requires at least (4) Justices to agree in order to take up a case. Thomas could not muster the requisite number in order for them to review the matter. Hopefully, given the current makeup of the court, this matter will be taken up. Since the US is a party, the US Supreme Court has original authority to take it up. That is what my recent letter to them asked them too invoke.
Luke Johnson, The definition of an NBC is one born in the U.S. to parents who are both U.S. citizens. The parents do not have to be NBCs themselves. They can be naturalized. As long as they are U.S. Citizens. Their child, if born in the U.S. is therefore a Natural Born U.S. Citizen. My Maternal Grandparents were from Poland and Hungary and my Paternal Great Grandparents were from Wales and Cornwall,U.K. However, both my Parents were born in the U.S. as was I. That makes me an NBC.
Here’s who should be reading about Natural Born American Citizen: Chief Justice John Roberts and his eight Associate Justices. Rather generously, we call them our U. S. “Supreme” Court. Remember that one of them, Justice Clarence Thomas, once disclosed “we’re evading that issue (the NBC issue).” THIS, IN MY HOPEFULLY CONSTITUTIONALLY PROTECTED OPINION, IS GARBAGE! Some “Supreme” Court our country has! As far as I’m concerned, these are nine lawyers who should re-examine their roles in light of 18 U.S. Code, Section 2381 and 18 U.S. Code, Section 2382 (check it out for yourself). God help the United States of America. Tom Arnold (military veteran, retired law enforcement officer, nineteen years of formal education, Independent-registered voter, author of “THE SICK TREASONOUS TRUTH SURROUNDING BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA” “AS WITNESSED & EXPERIENCED BY AN ORDINARY AMERICAN CITIZEN,” etc, etc).
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This brilliant news website shoud be winning awards for outstanding journalism! Is there anywhere to vote for the Post and Email anyone knows about? This must be one of the longest running news sites and that’s because it’s accuracy has never been challenged, its always non biased, only presents facts and welcomes all opinions.
As many others have said, thank you Mrs. Rondeau for this honest place where everyone is welcome to discuss these urgent issues without fear or favor. It’s no surprise our Congress, Courts and Government officials visit this news site to find out the real truth. Maybe you can be part of One America News to reach more viewers? Jack Posobiac is a OAN correspondent and active on Tiwtter, maybe you could contact him to do an on camera interview? Or even better, a weekly segment updated the OAN viewers on all the latest eligibility news (and as we know, there is tons of it!).
We think millions would watch it because these are the most important questions of our time. Between the Post and Email, Freedom Friday, Dr. Taitz, Sheriff Arpraio, Mike Zullo, Cmdr Kershner and the tens of millions of We The People who want this resolved immediately! It’s the only issue we are voting for next year and we trust President Trump is going to drain the swamp.
And Dr. Robert Laity, a big thank you to you Sir. We’ve enjoyed your book and columns and thank you for your wisdom and meticulos research. If you don’t mind my asking, what do you think of citizens who had ancestors like great grandfathers or grandmothers who were naturalized many decades or hundreds or years ago? Would they still not be NBC because obviously a naturalized citizen cannot produce a NBC, so that child also wouldn’t be a NBC, who also can’t produce a NBC, etc. Maybe we need all candidates to submit to DNA testing and make their full family trees public? We’d support that 100% This way we would see who has true full family American NBC status. Is that something we can sue for? We’d donate toward that legal work, our country is at stake. We haven’t found anyone to donate to to give this issue the urgent attention we need, if anyone has any referals thank you.
We feel this is going to happen sooner than anyone expects. President Trump has been laying the groundwork quietly for many years…. he never discloses his plans until they happen. Won’t it be an beautiful America morning when all our hard work pays off and justice is served? We’re going to treat ourselves to an extra dessert that night. )) Let’s always keep the faith Patriots, our day is coming!
A friendly reminder of the similarity of Cruz to Churchill from The Post & Email just a few years ago. Plus, this article captures some silly words that passed through the teeth of a self-professed “straightforward” Constitutional ‘ex-spurt’, going by the name of ‘Ted’ Cruz whose claim-to-fame is fluency in lawyer vernacular.
https://www.thepostemail.com/2016/03/25/investigator-ted-cruz-should-be-truthful-with-the-american-people/
To wit:
Of Cruz’s claim to “natural born Citizen” status, Apuzzo countered with, “…being born in a foreign country, under jus soli (right from the soil), Cruz also from the moment of birth acquired citizenship and allegiance to the country in which he was born. Being born subject to a foreign power under U.S. law, i.e., being born in allegiance to a foreign power under U.S. law, disqualifies one from being a natural born citizen and therefore eligible to be President.”
In closing his article, Apuzzo related that in 1932, a reporter, with apparent knowledge that Churchill’s mother was a U.S. citizen, asked Churchill if he would ever aspire to seek the U.S. presidency, to which Churchill replied, “There are various little difficulties in the way. However, I have been treated so splendidly in the United States that I should be disposed, if you can amend the Constitution, seriously to consider the matter.”
And further from the article:
An excerpt of the conversation between Bash and Cruz reads:
Bash: Speaking of the Constitution, you may have heard that Donald Trump is bringing up the fact that you were born in Canada and saying that if you’re the Republican nominee, it could be held up in the court for two years. You’re a constitutional scholar; you’ve argued before the Supreme Court. Why do you think, on the legal basis, he’s wrong?
Cruz: The legal issue is straightforward: the son of a U.S. citizen born abroad is a “natural born Citizen.”
Bash: But it’s never been tested; you know full-well because you’ve done it on other issues.
Cruz: Listen, the Constitution and laws of the United States are straightforward. The very first Congress defined the child of a U.S. citizen born abroad as a “natural born Citizen,” and by the way, many of the members of the first Congress were Framers at the Constitutional Convention. At the end of the day, this is a non-issue…
A recent comment post by Attorney Mario Apuzzo about “natural born Citizen”: On July 25, 1787, John Jay wrote a letter to then-General Washington, who was acting as president of the Constitutional Convention, stating: “Permit me to hint, whether it would not be wise & seasonable to provide a strong check to the admission of Foreigners into the administration of our national Government; and to declare expressly that the Command in chief of the american army shall not be given to, nor devolve on, any but a natural born Citizen” (“born” underlined in the original).
http://rs6.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?ammem/hlaw:@field%28DOCID+@lit%28fr00379%29%29 . John Jay reminded George Washington of the importance of remanding back to the original concerns of the people and offered his presentation, to which George Washington offered, verbatim, to the convention. Alexander Heard and Michael Nelson, Presidential Selection 123 (Duke University Press 1987) via Google Books.
Jay demanded that there be a “strong check” on foreign influence infiltrating the national government in general and the Office of Commander in Chief of the Military specifically. We can safely presume that since Jay wanted the Commander in Chief to be a natural born citizen, being a natural born citizen carried with it that strong check on foreign influence that he was seeking. We can also safely presume that he wanted that check to be as strong as could reasonably be had. A natural born subject, whether under English common law (which naturalized at birth children born to alien parents in the king’s dominion and under his protection as his natural born subjects) or naturalization Acts of Parliament (which naturalized at birth children born out of the king’s dominion to English natural born subject parents), both of which permitted dual and conflicting allegiance at birth, did not provide that strong check on foreign influence for which Jay was looking. On the other hand, a natural born citizen under the law of nations did provide that strong check, for a child born in a county to parents who were its citizens at the time of the child’s birth was born with sole allegiance not only to the county where born but also to the county of his or her parents. Indeed, such birth circumstances would produce in the child at the time of birth unity of citizenship and allegiance solely to the United States, a quality that Jay would have sought in the Commander in Chief. Source: https://puzo1.blogspot.com/2019/06/the-fallacies-of-congressional.html?showComment=1564590417114#c6463684667642652426 Also see: https://puzo1.blogspot.com/2019/06/the-fallacies-of-congressional.html
Robert, Don’t you ever “take your hands off the plow”. To me you are a “5” star General. To me, not only blow your horn, pull the fire alarm, and set off tons of rockets… You sure aren’t
mute about Obama’s fraud. Amen. This effort to hold Obama and his team of zombies accountable will never be accomplished buy us being passive. Therefore, I am asking others
to contact both their State and Federal Senators and Congressmen of the fraud, usurpation,
and theft of Obama and for our officials to take corrective action so it never occurs again.
Coming here to The Post and Email we get updates on Obama’s fraud. Also, we get other
news and information that very much of the other media doesn’t cover. Perhaps a slogan for P&E should be, ” Come here first for the real news”.
It is my greatest desire true constitutionalist will be sworn into our government and completely strike down and blot out Obama from our history. I was truly happy to give him a chance. Then seeing that his birth certificate was not as it should have been and the way he locked up all his vital records it became completely obvious that he was hiding his true identity. If anyone cannot see this they are totally blinded by his lies. It sickens me to see the USA fall so far from where we started.
Euler Diagrams are used to prove the logical truth or fallacy of an argument. See this Euler Diagram re “natural born Citizen” of the United States. A “natural born Citizen” is a subset of all those “born a Citizen”. “natural born Citizens” are the largest kind of citizens and are those born with sole allegiance and unity of citizenship to only the USA. Dual and tri Citizens at birth with attendant allegiance requirements to foreign countries at birth are NOT a “natural born Citizen” of the United States and are NOT eligible to be the Commander in Chief of our military. So John Jay and George Washington intended when they chose that term and had it added to the presidential eligibility clause in Article II of our U.S. Constitution. Adjectives mean something. Especially in the constitutional term “natural born Citizen”. In legal use the word “natural” means created by Nature or the Laws of Nature, not Positive Laws of man such as naturalization laws, acts, treaties, amendments, etc. See: http://www.kerchner.com/images/protectourliberty/eulerlogicdiagram-citizenshipsets.jpg and http://www.kerchner.com/protectourliberty/The-Who-What-When-Where-Why-and-How-of-NBC-Term-in-Constitution.pdf
Not to blow my own horn but in the eleven years that I have researched this issue,I think I have the correct understanding of what an NBC is.
I can honestly say that a Natural Born Citizen is one born in the United States to Parents who are both US Citizens themselves.
This is “Without doubt” ( What 9 of 9 US Supreme Court Justices said in Minor v Happersett).
A Natural born citizen is the highest attainable citizenship level. It can be none other than someone with 100% U.S. Jus Sanquinis (of the soil of the U.S.) AND 100% U.S. Jus Sanquinis (of the blood of Americans). Any one else is NOT an NBC.