WILL HE “DEBUNK” THE MEDIA?
by Sharon Rondeau, h/t TM
Arpaio reportedly gave an interview to the news organization in which he said, “Don’t think I’m going fishing. I am not going away,” spurring speculation that he might plan to seek political office.
After retiring from his position as Arizona DEA supervisor in 1992, Arpaio ran for Maricopa County sheriff, an office he won and to which he was re-elected five times. On November 8, 2016, he lost his bid for a seventh term to Democrat Paul Penzone, who pledged to reverse many of Arpaio”s “controversial” policies which included an outdoor “tent city” for jail inmates, a female chain gang, and strict enforcement of federal immigration law.
The article recounted that Arpaio received a presidential pardon on August 25 after U.S. District Court Judge Susan Bolton found him guilty of misdemeanor criminal contempt following a Justice Department prosecution announced days before early voting began last October.
In a recent interview with another outlet, Arpaio claimed that his prosecution did not stem from the “racial profiling” allegation made in a 2007 lawsuit which gave rise to the contempt finding.
As The Post & Email reported on Wednesday, Trump’s pardon of Arpaio is undergoing challenge from what other sources have described as Arpaio’s “political opponents.”
While the writer, Casey Tolan, reported that many area Republican leaders have shunned Friday’s event, tickets for the event are sold out. He also wrote:
In an interview on Tuesday afternoon, Arpaio, who lost re-election in November after 24 years in office, said the Fresno event was an example of his renewed “mission” to fight for conservative ideas around the country. That includes, he said, his continuing (and widely debunked) effort to prove that former President Barack Obama’s birth certificate is fake.
The article makes no mention of the 5+-year investigation Arpaio delegated to his “Cold Case Posse,” which reported at three separate press conferences that the “long-form” birth certificate image posted on the White House website — at Donald Trump’s public insistence — was determined to be a “computer-generated forgery.”
As The Post & Email has reported extensively, the mainstream media has attempted to posit that any suggestion that the image is fraudulent is ridiculous, far-fetched, and the fuel of a “conspiracy theory.” However, both lead investigator Mike Zullo and Arpaio have stood firm on their discoveries, which Zullo reported in December are supported by two forensic analysts following their own independent scrutiny of the image.
Almost to a person, mainstream media reporters have used the term “debunked” when mentioning the results of the investigation while at the same time avoiding the presentations of detailed evidence provided by Zullo on March 1, 2012; July 17, 2012; and December 15, 2016.
Reporters are undoubtedly aware that not only is the forgery of a government document a felony, but that Article II, Section 1, clause 5 of the U.S. Constitution requires that the president be a “natural born Citizen.”
While there is controversy over the exact meaning of the term of art employed by the Framers, virtually all Americans understand that a naturalized U.S. citizen is not the equivalent of “natural born.”
Prior to the launching of the investigation, a number of mainstream reports had stated that Obama was born in Kenya, or, alternatively, in Indonesia. In 1991, Obama’s then-literary agent wrote in a promotional pamphlet that he was “born in Kenya and raised in Indonesia and Hawaii.”
While former Hawaii Department of Health (HDOH) Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino told CNN in an interview that there is no doubt that Obama was born in the Aloha State, former Hawaii Gov. Neil Abercrombie said he was unable to locate a paper birth record for Obama within the agency’s archives despite his stated determination to do so in early 2011.
At approximately the same time, Trump was raising the question as to why the White House had not released Obama’s detailed birth certificate to prove that he was eligible for the presidency.
One the image was posted at whitehouse.gov, however, it was pronounced a forgery by several graphics experts. Four months later, Arpaio commissioned his investigation, believing that a cursory analysis of the image would “clear the president” and set voters’ minds at ease.
The finding of probable cause of the image’s forgery prompted Zullo to continue his investigation through the end of last year, when Arpaio stated that the evidence would be provided to federal-level authorities.
To the public’s knowledge, neither the FBI nor Congress has launched its own investigation into the findings.
Despite its own refusal to probe the matter, the media has continued to insist that the forgery claim has been “debunked” without citing any authorities or evidence.
In December 2010, a former Army flight surgeon and lieutenant colonel went to military prison after having refused to deploy to Afghanistan because of his questioning of the legitimacy of the Obama birth certificate image. On Tuesday, the trustee of a fund organized to support Dr. Terry Lakin offered nine possible reasons for why no one in Washington, DC has investigated the results of the Arpaio/Zullo probe. Those include “Fear of Vast Social Unrest,” “Fear of a Legal Avalanche,” and others.
Prior to the publication of this article, The Post & Email contacted Tolan by email to ask:
Are you able to say who “debunked” the findings of Arpaio’s investigator(s) that the Obama long-form birth certificate image is a forgery?
While many in the mainstream press insist that is the case, they provide no evidence to support the claim.
Sharon Rondeau, Editor
The Post & Email
We did not receive a response by press time but will provide an update should that change.
It is amazing to me that people will demand all this proof about Obama”s birth certificate. You want copies of letters, receipts and chain of custody for the COLB but demand none of that from Arpaio. Yet between the two organizations, the HDOH and MCSO only the MCSO has a history of putting on press conferences, accusing political opponents of crimes, presenting fake evidence which result in county taxpayers paying millions of dollars to settle false charges. Yet Arpaio is take at his word without releasing the evidence.
“1) The State of Hawaii Department of Health (HDOH) has no letter or form sent by Obama’s 2008 campaign requesting, and I quote, “the President’s birth certificate”;”
Why would there be a letter? The form is self-explanatory and doesn’t require a cover letter. HDOH indicated they do not retain the forms after the request has been filled.
b ) The HDOH has no cover letter sent by the HDOH along with the requested documentation to the Obama campaign in response to its request for Obama’s birth certificate, and;
Does the HDOH normally send a cover letter? When Free Republic poster Danae received her birth certificate copy from HDOH it only included an official receipt.
When she posted her COLB at Free Republic it looked like President Obama’s. It was a “Certification of Live Birth” and it was “Date Filed by Registrar” not dare accepted.
3) The HDOH’s “OFFICIAL RECEIPT” is absent any connection to Obama or his campaign
Not true. It was sent as a result of an official UIP request from the Post & Email asking for the receipt from the 2008 Obama Campaign.
Everyone seems to think the birth certificate has been proven a fake.
Please provide a link to the expert reports that people keep saying exists?
If you can’t the only conclusion is the reports don’t exist.
James Carter, you are doing a great job, thanks for being here!
So you can’t provide the link(s) I asked you, and/or T.F. BOW to provide. Thank you. That’s all.
“White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs “confused” the exact same dates completely independent of Dan Pfeiffer.”
Wrong if you mean this statement by Gibbs.
“I continue to be amazed, Lester, that two years after putting the President’s birth certificate on the Internet” Robert Gibbs, Thursday July 8, 2010
Also wrong if you are referring to this statement by Gibbs.
“A year-and-a-half ago I asked that the birth certificate be put on the Internet because lord knows, you got a birth certificate and you put it on the Internet, what else could be the story?” Robert Gibbs, July 27, 2009
In the first statement he is saying they put the birth certificate on the internet in June, 2008. Which of coarse they did.
And in the second statement he is saying that in early 2008 he suggested putting the birth certificate on the internet. Notice he does not say “I asked that they get the birth certificate and put it on the internet”. In early 2008, they already had the birth certificate.
“The receipt obtained from Ms. Rondeau’s efforts indicates that Hawaii received a payment. And the receipt’s existence suggests that it was generated into response to a request.”
That receipt does indeed indicate that Hawaii received a payment. Its existence does indeed suggest that it was generated in response to a request. The lack of any names and/or addresses on that receipt means it is of no value whatsoever in even suggesting it establishes that Obama’s 2008 campaign requested anything, paid for anything or received anything from the HDOH.
You are most welcome. I thought it was a simple request…apparently it wasn’t.
Why I am interested in the ‘Chain of Custody’ is for me to know and for you to ponder. I have been aware of the information sought and obtained from the State of Hawaii by the industrious Ms. Sharron Rondeau since the day she posted that article (8/17/2015), but thank you very much for posting a link thereto in order that those who have not been aware may make themselves aware of these facts (in the order they appear in the HDOH’s response to the industrious Ms. Sharron Rondeau): 1) The State of Hawaii Department of Health (HDOH) has no letter or form sent by Obama’s 2008 campaign requesting, and I quote, “the President’s birth certificate”; b ) The HDOH has no cover letter sent by the HDOH along with the requested documentation to the Obama campaign in response to its request for Obama’s birth certificate, and; 3) The HDOH’s “OFFICIAL RECEIPT” is absent any connection to Obama or his campaign and, therefore, actually “muddies the water” even more. Knowledge is power, wouldn’t you agree?
Democrats made such a big deal of Scooter Libby (former Chief of Staff to former Vice-President Dick Cheney) confusing two dates that he was eventually sentenced to 30 months in prison and fined $250,000.00 so, yes, confusing two dates which might mean a sitting president has proffered a counterfeit birth certificate is indeed a big deal to me. Note that White House Communications Director Dan Pfeiffer wasn’t the only high-level White House staffer to “confuse” those two dates…White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs “confused” the exact same dates completely independent of Dan Pfeiffer.
So T.F. BOW & David L, just for the record, neither of you can supply a link(s) to the President’s 2008 campaign request and payment, the State of Hawaii’s acknowledgement of said request and receipt of payment, the State of Hawaii’s mailing receipt, the President’s 2008 campaign “Chain of Custody” and image dissemination records for Obama’s “Certification of Live Birth”, aka short-form bc), correct?
The state of Hawaii was not lying when they confirmed six times that President
Obama’s birth certificate was legitimate and he was indeed born in their state. Arpaio continues to be a buffoon. No wonder he was voted out of office.
That is the day that adopted Soetoro- narrative Obama II was invented as a Constitutional presidential candidate with a monopoly of the full knowledge of this invention, including his actual identity and his actual timeline life history, held by Nancy Pelosi and other DNC and U.S. Government officials.
This monopoly of knowledge is further protected by the invented president’s Executive Order 13489. All attempts to break-up this KNOWLEDGE MONOPOLY by “fringe birthers” and LTC Terry Lakin and LT Zullo et al, since 08-28-08, are treated as attempted “birther infringements” on the U.S. Government’s said presidential invention of 08-28-08.
However, humans only exist when they can think they exist.
However, our millions of minions called “U.S. Government” only exists when thinking private human-citizens consent that it continues to exists.
However, unless a majority of thinking citizen-humans actually and formally consents otherwise, EVERY AMERICAN CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLICAN CITIZEN-HUMAN HAS AN INALIENABLE RIGHT-TO-KNOW THE FULL IDENTITY AND FULL LIFE HISTORY OF ANY PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDIATE AND ANY INCUMBENT PRESIDENT AND ANY PENSIONED EX-PRESIDENT AND ANY DECEASED HISTORICAL PRESIDENT AT ANY TIME.
Therefore, since 08-28-08, the U.S. Government’s active monopoly of the presIDential intellectual property of it’s invention of “Constitutional President Barack Hussein-Obama II” remains a target of anti-trust (i.e., no citizen-consent) suits by We he People, don’t you think?
END THE MONOPOLY, GIVES US OUR IDENTITY PROPERTY!
At Fresno press conference Arpaio is challenged by reporters.
David L.: I’m guessing Gary Wilmott would dismiss it as “something that lacks relevance to the main point” (notwithstanding its inclusion suggesting that Fredrick thought it was relevant), so let me ask you: how did Obama’s serving as a junior member on a legal team in a 1994 lawsuit cause the 2008 financial crisis?
Bonus question: Is it relevant that Wilmott repeatedly misspelled Fredrick’s last name? Or is infallibility only expected of others?
The receipt obtained from Ms. Rondeau’s efforts indicates that Hawaii received a payment. And the receipt’s existence suggests that it was generated into response to a request.
And surely no one is suggesting that a request and receipt are necessary to prove U.S. citizenship. Because that could spell big problems for the current president!
Asking random people for documents is a highly inefficient method for obtaining them. This sounds like a job for experienced investigators with time on their hands, like Arpaio and Zullo.
None of which is relevant, of course, to Hawaii’s expressly and repeatedly saying Obama was born there.
I disagree the article seemed to link President Obama to a number of individuals (whether those links are real or significant is a different issue) but assume they are real. But the author links those connects to the President with the implication that they must mean he shares their ideologies and this will lead to hyperinflation.
So again assuming President Obama shares their ideologies and that will lead to hyperinflation, when will it kick in? Or is the author’s premise incorrect?
TF Bow, have any idea why an individual named “Bob” posts your comments as well as mine on the fogbow almost immediately after we make them here at the post email news? Curious!
James Carter, it appears that neither TF Bow nor David L can furnish you with the documentation you requested and you didn’t request any of Sharon’s documentation so that information is useless to your request.
Who is this David Carter referred to by TF Bow?
So Dan Pfeiffer in April, 2011 confusing June, 2008 with June, 2007 is some sort of big deal to you. Have you ever confused two dates?
I’m not sure why David Carter is so interested in “chain of custody” (as a government document with a seal and signature is self-authenticating), but the industrious Ms. Rondeau sought and obtained this information:
David L…I am simply asking Obots to read Don Frederick’s article with COMPREHENSION. The meaning and implications of what Mr. Frederick has researched is self-evident to those with intellectual honesty and common sense. Zeroing in on something that lacks relevance to the main point of the article reinforces my premise that hardcore Obots are either ignorant or purposely try to obfuscate and deflect the truth. You certainly did prove my point.
James Carter, thank you for making this demand from either of these two obots!
@ L & T.F. BOW:
“In 2008, in response to media inquiries, the President’s campaign requested his birth certificate from the state of Hawaii. The state sent the campaign the President’s birth certificate, the same legal documentation provided to all Hawaiians as proof of birth in state, and the campaign immediately posted it on the internet. That birth certificate can be seen here (PDF).”
Can either of you provide a link(s) to the President’s 2008 campaign request and payment, the State of Hawaii’s acknowledgement of said request and payment, the State of Hawaii’s mailing receipt, the President’s 2008 campaign “Chain of Custody” and image dissemination records for said birth certificate (“Certification of Live Birth, aka short-form bc)?
I’ve read it – so what? This was my favorite line,
“P. S. If Obama just happens to win reelection on November 6, remember that hyperinflation just happens to be the inescapable consequence of printing trillions of dollars to cover massive government deficits.”
When is that hyperinflation going to kick in? Any day now?
There is no “controversy” regarding the “exact meaning” of the term “Natural Born Citizen”. Not since SCOTUS defined the term for posterity,more than 150 years ago, as “one born in the United States to parents who are both citizens themselves”. That is the precise meaning of the term “Les Naturelles, ou indigenes” found in the Law of Nations and referenced formally in Art.1, Sec.8 of the US Constitution”. “Les Naturelles, ou indigenes, sont ceux qui sont nes DANS LE PAYS de PARENTS citoyenS”. NBCs are those born IN a country to parents who are both citizens of that country. NO ONE else is a 100% citizen of the country but one born in said country of parents who are both citizens themselves. A 100% American is the ONLY person who can be President or Vice President.
The lack of investigation and prosecution by the DON, FBI and CIA, then and now, shows how deep the corruption is in our government. Yet the media and established doesn’t understand how Trump and Roy Moore were elected.
I wish I had known about this event I could have attended..I hope Arpaio is successful in exposing Obama birth certificate..I know I’ll certainly help spread the word. Time to come clean……
Yeah only data bases related to aka Obama are unreliable.
I suggest all die-hard Obots (do they really believe what they say?…of course not) read with comprehension (if possible) Don Frederick’s essay: https://mypoliticalmusings.wordpress.com/2012/10/25/don-frederick-can-it-all-be-coincidence/
But they won’t, because they are either profoundly immoral and malevolent anti-American leftist ideologues who have no interest in facts, the truth, or the rule of law. Or in the alternative are these malcontents just so stupid – so dazed and unable to think clearly for themselves – that they can’t connect two dots let alone the thousands of dots that point to aka Obama’s criminal identity fraud?
No doubt Ignorance is bliss for the many Obots who lap up the propaganda spewed by the anti-American media on a daily basis. For those however, who regularly post their silly, foolish, stupid, fatuous, idiotic, ridiculous, ludicrous, absurd, senseless, asinine, frivolous, vapid and untruthful remarks on this website I do believe they fall into the former of the two classifications above.
The Star-Advertiser link in the WND article does not work but you can view a Januarry 22nd, 2011 archive copy of the article on the wayback machine:
Always remember there is no person legally named Barack H. Obama, II.
The WND article cites The Honolulu Star Advertiser’s article, which quoted Abercrombie as saying that the information existed in Hawaii’s archives. Abercrombie’s further comments in the Star Advertiser indicated there was no legal way under Hawaii law for the governor to unilaterally release the information.
I’m sorry but the WND article says this,
“Abercrombie told the Honolulu Star Advertiser he was searching within the Hawaii Department of Health to find definitive vital records that would prove Obama was born in Hawaii, because the continuing eligibility controversy could hurt the president’s chances of re-election in 2012.”
But the actual Star-Advertiser interview does not say anything of the kind.
Just like the battery commercial of the Energizer Bunny this Obama USURPER thing just
doesn’t seem to expire or run low on energy. The basis is a solid foundation of lawful evidence that Arpaio and Zullo have obtained.
It is ironic in the above title about debunking. For several years Team Arpaio have been mocked and derided for challenging Obama’s credentials (birth certificate and Sel. Ser. Reg.). Quite some time ago Zullo had stated they have evidence and safe guards in place.
Lots of info wasn’t released and much more evidence must have been obtained since the
three major new releases.
To me, this is a train that can’t be stopped. Only Arpaio and Zullo could and should pull
it off. In other words, it is my hunch that they have much more evidence to reveal. There
is going to be some debunking and it will come from Sheriff Arpaio and Lt. Zullo.
The fireworks are going to be something else… All along Arpaio has claimed this needs
to go to Congress. So when he decides to go to Congress will all of us be on board and
support his efforts?
OT – it was reported yesterday that Jared Kushner in 2009 had registered to vote in New York as a female. But in fact this was wrong. His registration card lists him as male but when the data was entered into a database someone incorrectly marked it as female.
Those databases are very unreliable.
The link provided goes to an Infowars article, which quotes Mike Evans’ description of his conversation with “Abercrombie’s office.” That’s multiple levels of hearsay, and not a quote from Abercrombie.
There’s plenty of evidence that he said it.
You misunderstand, i’m looking for a statement from Abercrombie himself. This is a statement from Mike Evans saying Abercrombie or Abercrombie’s office said something. Evans recanted this statement several days later.
In this interview he says he talked to Abercrombie’s office, whatever that means.
He retracted that on the Peter Boyle’s Show.
In the Boyle’s show makes several misstatements.
“former Hawaii Gov. Neil Abercrombie said he was unable to locate a paper birth record for Obama within the agency’s archives despite his stated determination to do so in early 2011.”
Do you have a link to him saying that?
Yes, a link was provided.
Has Zullo specified a timeline for publicly releasing his findings? Has Arpaio?