“YOU CAN’T GET MAD IF SOMETHING CHANGES”
by Sharon Rondeau
(Oct. 4, 2014) — During a 30-minute segment with “Freedom Friday” host Carl Gallups, Maricopa County, AZ Cold Case Posse lead investigator Michael Zullo said that his and Gallups’ appearance on the Peter Boyles radio show on Friday morning was “meaningless.”
Boyles broadcasts on KNUS in Denver, CO Monday through Friday from 5:00 a.m. to 9:00 a.m. MT discussing current events, politics, and more recently, the many questions about the background and origins of Barack Hussein Obama.
Gallups’ show airs every Friday from 4:00 to 6:00 p.m. CT on WEBY 1330.
Gallups led off his show on Friday evening by explaining that over several months, he had been sent audio clips from Boyles’ show in which Boyles had interviewed numerous guests discussing Obama’s background. Some of those interviewed purveyed speculation as proven fact and perhaps unwittingly spread disinformation about the investigation conducted by the posse over the last three years.
On March 1, 2012, Zullo and Maricopa County, AZ Sheriff Joe Arpaio announced at a formal press conference that the image posted on the White House website purported to be a scan of Obama’s original, long-form birth certificate from the Hawaii Department of Health is a “computer-generated forgery.” The posse also concluded that Obama’s Selective Service registration form mailed to FOIA requesters since 2008 is fraudulent.
Gallups has been close to the investigation after developing a professional relationship with Zullo, with whom he speaks virtually every day.
Several weeks ago, Gallups contacted Boyles and his producer to ask to appear on Boyles’s show to correct the various misconceptions and erroneous statements made by Boyles’ guests about the investigation’s findings. After The Post & Email published an exclusive interview with Zullo which was reproduced at BirtherReport.com, word was conveyed to Boyles that he had been criticized for failing to ask Gallups or Zullo himself to appear on his show to provide accurate information as opposed to speculation. During the interview with The Post & Email, Zullo had said, “Everybody else on BirtherReport has appeared in Boyles’ interviews. Those folks have not been involved with this investigation over the past two years and have no idea of what I am doing or what we have uncovered, but Gallups he shuns…It amounts almost to media censorship.”
It was that message which reached Boyles, presumably by readers of BirtherReport who also comprise Boyles’ listening audience.
Gallups said that directly after The Post & Email’s interview with Zullo was published, Boyles’ producer, Casey, contacted him with an invitation to be on the show and an apology for not having responded to him sooner. Gallups accepted the invitation, stating that no apology was necessary, and was Boyles’ guest on Friday, September 19, for an hour.
After approximately 45 minutes, Boyles impatiently told Gallups that he had not heard “anything new” about the investigation. However, Gallups had revealed that the late Loretta Fuddy, who was Hawaii Health Department Director until her death on December 11, 2013, was not involved in creating the forgery posted on the White House website on April 27, 2011. Many have speculated that Fuddy was the forger or was involved in commissioning it, including recent guests of Boyles.
Gallups told Boyles that with Zullo’s permission, he was willing to release additional exclusive information without a response from Boyles. However, at the end of the broadcast, Boyles invited Gallups to return to the show on Tuesday, September 23, at 9:00 a.m. EDT, which was co-hosted by Col. Lawrence Sellin (Ret.).
On Monday, September 22, Sellin had been Boyles’ guest and was highly critical of the investigation, personally targeting Zullo and Gallups as not credible and invoking the name of CIA Director John Brennan as the forger of the birth certificate image. Boyles incorrectly credited Zullo and Gallups with having identified Brennan as the forger. Neither Gallups or Zullo had ever invoked the name of John Brennan in connection with the forgery of Obama’s birth certificate.
On September 23, Sellin and Boyles were confrontational toward Gallups, frequently interrupting him, and again made the false claim that Zullo, Gallups or both had stated that CIA Director John Brennan had created the fraudulent birth certificate.
Boyles characterized the exchange as a “debate.” Boyles, however, had accused Gallups of “double-talk and jive.”
Gallups’ interview quickly deteriorated to a contentious, defamatory exchange which ended in Boyles’ cutting off Gallups’ microphone and snarling, “I don’t know who you are; I’ve never listened to your show.” However, Boyles had stated the previous Friday when introducing Gallups that he remembered interviewing him when he worked for another media outlet.
Following Gallups’ interview, Boyles interviewed former Cold Case Posse member Brian Reilly apparently without vetting his credentials. It had been Reilly’s idea to request that an investigation of the birth certificate image be commenced by Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio. In September 2011, Arpaio commissioned the posse to perform the work at no expense to taxpayers because of the controversial nature of the probe.
During that last hour, Reilly contended that Zullo is not a bona fide law enforcement officer, which Boyles appeared willing to accept as fact without verifying it with the Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office. Reilly, Boyles and Sellin went on to denigrate the character and credibility of both Gallups and Zullo in an apparent attempt to discredit the investigation completely.
On his show last Friday evening, Gallups indicated that there could be a “legal problem” resulting from Boyles’ broadcast, which Gallups has termed as “defamatory” toward not only Gallups and Zullo, but also Brennan.
On his October 3 broadcast, Gallups revealed that communication had been sent to the legal department of Boyles’ employer, KNUS, about the interview with Reilly and Sellin. The immediate resolution was that Boyles agreed to interview Zullo and Gallups on the morning of October 3, to apologize on air for what was said by Reilly and Sellin, and to “clean up” the erroneous information about John Brennan.
During Boyles’ broadcast that morning, he did not offer an apology or retraction to Gallups or Zullo and did not raise the matter of the incorrect identification of John Brennan as the birth certificate forger. Last evening, Gallups confirmed that Boyles had promised an apology and correction to the erroneous claim about Brennan which was not forthcoming.
Ten minutes after the beginning of the segment, Gallups introduced Zullo, who said that Boyles identified him “like I was just some other guy, like a Lawrence Sellin; as a matter of fact, he gave Lawrence Sellin more honor than he did me and Sheriff Arpaio by the way of introduction.”
Zullo noted that Boyles asked how he “got involved” in the investigation, “as if you didn’t know,” Zullo said to Gallups, tongue-in-cheek. “I knew the setup was there right from the beginning,” Zullo said.
Zullo believes that Boyles was seeking to establish that they were “all on the same page” about the Obama birth certificate investigation. Zullo also said that he “never” said that John Brennan had any involvement in the forgery and characterized Boyles’ show as “pure speculation.” “I’ve never gotten a call from him in two years asking me to go back on his radio show,” Zullo said. During his interview with The Post & Email, Zullo said that he did appear once on Boyles’ show early in the investigation.
Regarding Gallups, Zullo said he believes that Boyles is seeking to discredit him because of his “occupation” as a pastor. Gallups responded that Boyles was skeptical of his working relationship with Zullo. “I think he just really wants to prove you to be a liar,” Zullo said to Gallups.
Zullo then told the story of how Brian Reilly came to work for an eight-week period for the Cold Case Posse. Zullo contended that Reilly was “destructive” to the Tea Party group which petitioned Arpaio to open the birth certificate investigation and later, as a posse applicant, said he was “a reserve police officer in a town in the Seattle, WA area…and was terminated from that position.” Zullo said the information was kept “secret” from him for “a year.”
Zullo reported that Boyles had told him before Friday morning’s interview that he “believes that Mr. Reilly was an internet stalker” as a result of having been “set up” by Obots, who blindly support Barack Hussein Obama. Zullo had told Boyles that “If you make this right, I’m willing to let bygones be bygones,” but Boyles did not issue the agreed retractions and corrections.
While Reilly initiated the investigation by approaching Arpaio, he told Boyles on September 23 that he believes the birth certificate image is “straight.”
Regarding Reilly, Zullo told Gallups that there is “a bigger story” that he will keep to himself for now.
Gallups then asked Zullo about a predicted press conference in which startling new information will be released. “Every time we get close to something, we end up discovering something else and it serves to prolong this,” Zullo responded. In response to Boyles’ claim that Zullo and Gallups were “crying wolf” about the release of new information, Zullo said that there were “three separate occasions” on which the posse’s evidence would be made public. The first involved former Rep. Joe Walsh, who had promised to read the evidence into the Congressional Record on the floor of the U.S. House of Representatives, then “demand an investigation.” Zullo said that he “worked feverishly over Christmas” to see that the information was in order for Walsh. “When it came time to do it, he didn’t do it; he just walked away,” Zullo revealed.
The third occasion involved Rep. Jeff Miller, who happens to be Gallups’ congressman. “We were counting on these people, and if they change direction, there’s nothing we can do about that,” Zullo said.
Zullo then advised that if members of the public want to follow the investigation, they will have to “roll with the punches,” as he has had to do. “You can’t get mad if something changes,” he said.
Sharon Rondeau has operated The Post & Email since April 2010, focusing on the Obama birth certificate investigation and other government corruption news. She has reported prolifically on constitutional violations within Tennessee’s prison and judicial systems.