ARE THEY GETTING NERVOUS, OR ARE THE WALLS COMING DOWN?
by Sharon Rondeau
(Apr. 3, 2011) — It has been reported that the image of Obama’s purported Certification of Live Birth has been removed or is otherwise unavailable from the website of Factcheck.org as of April 3, 2011, at 1:00 p.m. EDT.
A link from the original story now yields an error message.
The image still appears on Obama’s “Fight the Smears” website from 2008. Under the image there is a submission with Factcheck’s logo which reads:
When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.
Since Sen. Obama has neither renounced his U.S. citizenship nor sworn an oath of allegiance to Kenya, his Kenyan citizenship automatically expired on Aug. 4,1982.
The same webpage contains an initial statement also in the form of a message which can be sent by supporters to others which states:
Smears claiming Barack Obama doesn’t have a birth certificate aren’t actually about that piece of paper — they’re about manipulating people into thinking Barack is not an American citizen.
However, in January 2011, Hawaii Governor Neil Abercrombie stated that he couldn’t find a long-form birth certificate for Obama within the records at the Hawaii Department of Health, contrary to the statement of former Governor Linda Lingle, who insisted that her health department director, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, had seen it.
The Daily Kos is still displaying the image and identifying it as “Obama’s birth certificate.” A Certificate of Live Birth issued last year to a Hawaiian-born man shows more detail than the Certification of Live Birth on The Daily Kos website.
The COLB image is available at the Politifact website, which labels it “Obama’s birth certificate.”
Dr. Ron Polland has stated that the Certification of Live Birth “does not exist.” The Post & Email’s photographic expert, Mr. John F. Sweeney, as stated that it is a forgery.
In an interview with the Honolulu Star-Advertiser on January 18, Abercrombie had stated that Obama’s birth information “actually exists in the archives, written down …”
A researcher who traveled to Hawaii last summer found Obama’s birth information in a birth index book containing information from the years 1960-64. However, she stated that there was “an anomaly” in that particular record book as compared to the other birth indexes, which was the word “duplicate” appearing above Obama’s name. Another difference between the 1960-64 birth index and others was the topic of a recent finding disclosed by a blogger.
The Hawaii Department of Health has insisted on protecting Obama’s vital records, citing state privacy laws. Was the birth index data put in by computer entry after the fact, perhaps in 2007 or 2008 when he announced his candidacy for the presidency? Did Obama believe that he could convince the public of a Hawaii birth so as to satisfy the “natural born Citizen” requirement found in Article II, Section 1 of the U.S. Constitution?
Did he believe that having a British-citizen father was inconsequential?
Obama has admitted to having been born with dual citizenship. However, was he really born with solely British citizenship?
The Post & Email tried several times to ask Factcheck.org about the Certification of Live Birth which the organization posted as Obama’s official birth certificate in August 2008, but we received no response. We cited Factcheck’s original story, although at this time, none of the links from the article appear to work. The link to the statement of Dr. Chiyome Fukino now directs to the current page of the Honolulu Star-Advertiser.
Recently Donald Trump has raised questions about Obama’s Certification of Live Birth which appear to indicate that he or his staff have performed research on the differences between the image which Obama’s former press secretary, Robert Gibbs, claimed was Obama’s “birth certificate” and an original, “long-form” paper document containing the signature of the attending physician, registrar’s stamp, information about the parents and their birthplaces, and residence. The firestorm began when he appeared on “The View” and called for Obama to release his birth certificate.
Trump recently stated that Obama’s original birth certificate could indicate that Obama was designated a Muslim at birth. Bill O’Reilly and Glenn Beck of Fox News are now feeling a bit “uncomfortable” and in response, appear to be marginalizing Trump.
Are they afraid of what will happen if it is proven that Obama was not born in Hawaii or anywhere in the United States? What will that mean for their careers? Why does Beck say he wants to see presidential candidates who don’t say “provocative things”? What about journalistic investigations of candidates?
On April 1, it was announced that Trump will be appearing on Fox News Channel’s Fox & Friends regularly on Monday mornings. The Post & Email recently wrote to Roger Ailes, President of Fox News Channel, regarding the dearth of coverage about the unanswered and uninvestigated questions on Obama’s birthplace, parentage, background, and eligibility for the presidency.
Several African publications claimed that Obama was born in Kenya prior to his announcement to seek the office of President.
Ms. R, it is interesting that you wrote this, and then he showed this ‘lfbc’, and now Wikipedia is scrubbed..
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Mrs. Rondeau replies: And many document examiners have declared it a forgery….
Not only did FactCheck.org restore the COLB image, yesterday it posted an article that is laughably bad in debunking the claims that Donald Trump has brought up on this issue. See: http://factcheck.org/2011/04/donald-youre-fired/
I feel so sorry for FactCheck.org, as picking it apart will be so easy for the likes of Sharon that she could do it in her sleep.
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Mrs. Rondeau replies: It’s been done. It was pretty late at night, but I hadn’t gone to sleep yet! http://www.thepostemail.com/2011/04/09/for-those-wishing-to-send-information-to-donald-trump/
Please allow me to take a crack at the six points of contention that FactCheck.org has with Trump’s claims:
1. I understand that Kenyans who heard the tape say that she clearly could be saying that Obama was born in Mombasa and that others on the tape could be heard trying to get her to instead say he was born in Hawaii.
2. I understand the hospital yanked the letter from its website the day after WorldNetDaily asked about its authenticity. Furthermore, there is nothing at the hospital proclaiming this in the public areas, not to mention the irregularities of the White House letterhead that this letter was written on as well as the WH refusing to verify its authenticity: http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=105280
3. I’ve read articles to the contrary, stating that the COLB may or may not be accepted in applications for passports and by others as proof of citizenship. Here’s one such article: http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=104599
4. Strange … others are getting copies of long-form birth certificates, so why not Obama? See: http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1646821495774&set=a.1086340484099.2013840.1394022018&theater
Here’s the rest …
5. What Trump was really saying was that Obama’s grandparents may have fraudulently registered his birth in Hawaii so that they could obtain a COLB for him, which then would be provided to the papers via the state health department. See: http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=104678
6. It’s one thing to wonder what kind of upbringing Obama had such as in Indonesia; it’s entirely another thing to not have anyone corroborate that Obama was born and raised as an infant in Hawaii.
Barbi Dee,
Thank you so much for calling Boozman’s office. I also called today and this is their response:
I just got off the phone to Senator Boozman’s office. The staffer, Holly Wilson I believe is correct, said when I told her my name, “we have been told not to talk about the subject you always want to talk about.” I asked if it was just me, or if they are not talking to anyone about “the subject”. She said she, ”could not remember the last time someone had called about, “the subject”, and that most people wanted to talk about what was going on in Congress now”. Sounds like another attempt to make Obama’s eligibility, the only issue that really matters at this point, “just a distraction”.
This indicates to me that, no matter how fruitless we may think it is, we need to start all over again calling, emailing, faxing and even sending an occasional snail mail to our Congressional offices. Make them refuse to answer if that is what they want to do. Let them know the subject, (the Constitution), is anything but the “distraction” they want it to be.
Boozman’s number in DC is:
202-224-4843
Anyone who wants to take a moment to see if they, “are not taking questions on this subject” at Boozman’s office, please do call and let us know what their response was.
Thanks
Bob1943
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Mrs. Rondeau replies: Ms. Wilson and her boss can be charged with treason for allowing the usurpation and other abuses to continue.
A Hawaiian certificate of live birth issued 15 march 2011 shows hospital, doctors signature etc.
From http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=7466841558189356289&postID=8792099265296290227
Here’s link to the CertifiCATE of Live Birth on Miki Booth’s page
http://www.facebook.com/home.php#!/photo.php?fbid=1646821495774&set=a.1086340484099.2013840.1394022018&theater
It can be downloaded.
James said…
I got breaking news! Miki Booth has been able to obtain a Long-Form Birth Certificate (Certificate of Live Birth) from the Hawaii DOH. Miki has posted the image of the birth certificate on her FaceBook page. The Certificate of Live Birth shows the hospital name and has a date of March 15, 2011. In addition, the Birth Certificate is stamped with State Register of Hawaii who is Alvin Onaka. Check it out if you can.
The COLB is back, and no error message appears when you clink on the link as listed in the first and second paragraphs.
So, the jacklags must have realized their error. That is, unless this one isn’t the same one they had posted before. Three or four different versions have been presented over the last three years. Maybe someone with a good eye and who knows the difference(s) between the three or four versions presented will take a look and see if it’s the same version that FactCheck posted before or if it’s one of the others. (I’m wondering if perhaps the different entities that have had the different versions posted have gotten together and selected one and only one of the versions for all to present.)
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Mrs. Rondeau replies: Wouldn’t it be great if the FBI were actually onto them?
Yes, it would be great…and not a moment too soon.
I believe Dr. Ron Polland has proven beyond any doubt that all four versions of Obama’s COLB which have been posted online during the past three years originated from the same source document due the fact that they all have the exact same number of very small marks (“artifacts”) in the exact same locations. As further indication of deception/fraud, each sucessive version was more detailed than the previous version — the first version posted on the DailyKos/Obama’s campaign web-site had the “CERTIFICATE NO:” blacked out and did not have a seal or signature, the second version showed the “CERTIFICATE NO:” but still lacked a seal and signature, etc., etc. — yet each version was tauted as “Obama’s original birth certificate”, an impossibility since there can’t be four different versions of any “original” document.
To Sharon Rondeau…………………………..
To the best of my knowledge the CERTIFICATION OF LIVE BIRTH is NOT ISSUED by Hawaiian hospitals.Only the CERTIFICATE of live birth is issued by the birthing hospital. Perhaps I have misread what you stated in earlier issues of Postand email. At no time is the CERTIFICATION of live birth to be seen as a CERTIFICATE of live birth. That is what Soetoro has to somehow erase. I PERSONALLY BELIEVE THAT HE HAS NO LONG FORM ON FILE AT HDOH.KAPIOLANI HAS YET TO CONFIRM THE BIRTH OF SOETORO IN THEIR HOSPITAL. i STILL VERY MUCH DOUBT THE VALIDITY OF HIS ALLEGED BIRTH AT HAWAII.
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Mrs. Rondeau replies: The Post & Email has always maintained that a Certification of Live Birth is not the same as a Certificate of Live Birth or a long-form birth certificate. Examples are here: http://www.thepostemail.com/2011/03/14/who-should-be-on-trial-theresa-cao-or-barack-hussein-obama/
http://www.thepostemail.com/2011/03/17/final-hawaii-petition-letter-sent/
http://www.thepostemail.com/2011/04/03/colb-image-removed-from-factcheck-org-website/
You might want to inform newsmax of that
Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL) says it (Obama eligibility issue) is “a waste of time!”
http://www.scribd.com/doc/46495482/Legally-Bondi
Of course. He’s not a natural-born citizen, either
Dr. Polland, are you saying that we know that Rubio’s parents became naturalized citizens after Rubio’s birth in 1971?
Then Marco Rubio is OFF my list of hopefuls and is now on my black list if he thinks eligibility is not worth pursuing. He needs s to get out a copy of our Constitution and our Declaration of Independence and read them. Better still maybe he should head back to CUBA.
Then everything else Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL) says is a waste of time.
Factcheck pulled it off in 2008 when the main stream media used them as the source to validate and legitimize Obama. There is no main stream media including Fox that will reveal the truth and it will only be the internet and a swiftboat type organization to ensure the truth is revealed, otherwise 4 more years of Obama.
I believe Trump is quite able, ready and willing to set-up a “Swift Boat Veterans for Truth” similar organization/web-site that will reveal the truth about Obama/Soetoro just like http://www.swiftvets.com/index.php revealed/reveals the truth about John FRAUD/TRAITOR Kerry.
Sharon:
The image you posted above is not what Factcheck posted on June 16, 2008. In fact, your image (@ 450 x 442 pixels) is a direct reduction of the Fight The Smears image (585 x 575) generated by a PHP script.
As I noted below, this 585 x 575 is the “OFFICIAL OBAMA BITH CERTIFICATE,” the significance of that designation cannot be understated.
It means that the Obama Campaign/Administration only recognizes this image as Zero’s COLB. Not Factcheck’s image or photos.
Factcheck had one of the five full-size images (2550 x 3300 pixels) in existence. Their copy is the closest to the original forgery, or should I say, their copy did not need to be trimmed, reduced, stretched, or otherwise manipulated.
It did not come from the Obama Campaign. The first COLB posted on Obama’s Campaign website was actually in a PDF file first. Because that format is not conducive to displaying, they extracted the image from it as a 1024 x 1000 px JPG. It was made directly from the Daily Kos image, which was made from the Factcheck image.
Politifact’s full-size images (two of which they had on their server but did not post) and two of TampaBay.com’s image (two others on Politifact’s sister site), were also derived from the Factcheck image.
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Mrs. Rondeau replies: I have changed the caption. The idea, of course, is that the “image” is not a real birth certificate. Thank you for the additional information.
Actually, it is located here. Check the date on the folder: 03/2011
http://factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/2011/03/BO-Birth-Certificate.jpg
I called my senator’s office, today. I had contacted him two months ago about Obama’s eligibility and just today got a reply in the form of a “form letter”. He claimed that Obama’s COLB was good enough for him and besides, his long form was on file in Hawaii. Furthermore, his mother was born in Kansas and that automatically makes him a U.S. citizen.
Senator Burr’s office repeatedly told me “that was their stance”. I told them that they needed to update the lies in their form letter as they were obsolete.
Here is the toll free number to their Winston Salem office: 1-800-685-8916. They need a couple of thousand calls.
Same kind of letter I recently got from Senator John Boozman’s office.
Here is the text from the letter I received a couple of weeks ago:
Thank you for contacting me to express your concern over the question of President-Elect Obama’s citizenship. It is always good to hear from you.
As you may know, Article II of the U.S. Constitution says, “No Person except a natural born citizen, or a Citizen of the United States…shall be eligible to the Office of President.” Acts of Congress in 1790 and 1795 clarify that “the children of citizens of the United States…shall be considered as natural born citizens.” In June 2008, Mr. Obama released an electronic copy of the certificate bearing the seal of the State of Hawaii Department of Health showing that Barack Hussein Obama II was born to mother Stanley Ann Dunham in Honolulu, HI at 7:34 p.m. on Aug. 4, 1961. While there are some concerns over the validity of that birth certificate, Hawaii state health director Dr. Chiyome Fukino and Alvin Onaka, the registrar of vital statistics, examined and vouched for the authenticity of the President-elect Obama’s birth certificate. The document has also been reviewed and deemed authentic by experts at the University of Pennsylvania’s Anneburg Public Policy Center. In addition, the Supreme Court has denied hearing any of the cases brought before them regarding this issue and President-Elect Obama was certified as the 44th President of the United States on January 8, 2009.
Again, thank you for contacting me on this very important issue. Please be sure to visit our website at http://www.boozman.senate.gov. I look forward to you continued correspondence.
When I called Boozman’s office after receiving this letter one of the comments his saffer made, among other BS, was, when asked about Obama’s father; “we are not getting into who his father was”, even though they are claiming the BS online COLB is real and it states who his claimed father is. Also, I was told, “the leadership of Congress had a meeting and decsided to take no action on this issue.” That’s a real shock! The same people who would go to prison if this was investigated have decided not to investigate it!!
End…
They are in lockdown mode to protect themselves, and especially Congressional leadership from the consequences of this historic fraud being exposed and prosecuted. Boozman probably has less involvment in this than most in Congress, but he failed to speak out when he should have and is now, evidently, directing his staff to lie to his constituents.
Sad day for America for sure……….
Boozman’s office number in DC is 202-224-4843.
It would be great if anyone reading this would call Boozman’s office on this. I would appreciate it very much.
Bob 1943 Just called and told his aide I am aware that Boehner is not concerned with the constitutional crisis due to an illegal president but why won’t he question his criminality for holding 39SSNs or question why he was forced to surrender his law license! Nobody will believe the response! “WE ARE NOT ANSWERING THOSE QUESTIONS TODAY” I asked what date will they answer on? Was put on hold and she never returned!
i was able to find it here. http://www.factcheck.org/2008/06/obamas-birth-certificate/
http://www.politifact.com/georgia/statements/2011/mar/09/loren-collins/birther-foe-says-ga-bill-gets-constitution-wrong/
Remember him?
Dr. Polland………………………You need to go back and pull all of the videos made of Gibbs statements,because one of them says specifically that we put the BIRTH certificate on the Fight the smears. The one posted on fight the smears was the BC dated June of 2007. It preceeded the new one posted in 2008. There can be only ONE BC. In addition a CERTIFICATION of LIVE BIRTH is not issued by hospitals in Hawaii. Only the CERTIFICATE of live birth is hospital generated. ALL of the ALLEGED BCs posted were CERTIFICATIONSolb,NOT CERTIFICATES olb. They are given by the HDOH to people who are registeredby relatives at HDOH as having been born in Hawaii. These are not long form BCs.
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Mrs. Rondeau replies: Dr. Polland’s extensive research and interview with The Post & Email are evidence that he is well aware of the difference between and Certification of Live Birth and a Certificate of Live Birth. This has been well-established for over two years now.
It looks like Ahmadinejad has become a birther…
Ahmadinejad Predicts Embarrassing End for Obama
http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.php?nn=9001151237
“OBAMA” is as legit as a “3 DOLLAR BILL”! Trump is right either A. he does not have a birth certificate: or B. he does not like what his birth certificate says! Either way its a mute point. OBAMA even if born in HAWAII, is not a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN (NBC), as his father was never a CITIZEN! The higher Constitutional standard (NBC) defined as “BORN on US SOIL of CITIZEN PARENTS (2 or both PARENTS must be “CITIZENS”!) To meet the NBC standard for POTUS Obama’s father would have to have been a “NATURALIZED CITIZEN”
I know because I was BORN a “DUAL CITIZEN” to a US SERVICEMAN father & GERMAN MOTHER in a foreign land! Had to renounce GERMAN CITIZENSHIP at age 18! I was born with USA CITIZENSHIP but do not meet the NBC STANDARD on 2 counts , born on FOREIGN SOIL and mother was not a USA citizen at the time of birth! She became a ‘NATURALIZED CITIZEN” 7 years latter, and had my BROTHER who is a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN!
BTW, I have copies online of every Obama COLB copy ever made.
Here’s my copy of Factcheck’s:
http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn227/Polarik/BOBirthCertificate.jpg
Dr. Polland,
Did you mean to link to this image?
http://s305.photobucket.com/albums/nn227/Polarik/?action=view¤t=BO_Birth_Certificate-fc.jpg
The one in the original link is obviously invalid as the wording at the bottom drifts into the boarder. And the Date Stamp is more crisp and in the wrong location.
Is that all? :-)
I left off the “-1”
http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn227/Polarik/BOBirthCertificate-1.jpg
Here is the source code for the thumbnail posted on the original Factcheck web site:
The thumbnail is gone, too.
The original image was called BO Birth Certificate.jpg and it was 2550 x 3300. The reader needed to click on the text link provided right before it to see it full-size.
I have the original article saved so I can check to see if they changed the link to the images in advance of putting another one on it, or they scrapped it.
If it reappears, save it to disk and check its file size, dimensions, and Exif data – if still there. it might be one reduced in file size with its metadata removed (Exif data) like they did with all of the photographs they reduced signficantly in file size and quality.
The Factcheck.org link now leads to a yahoo search page. My, my…..
Why when we post a link to this article do we get this response from obama camp?
“Another birfer lie, we’re on Factcheck and saw it for the 100th time 5 minutes ago. so I do not know where you are getting your infomation buddy. YES I am looking at it at this very moment online on Factcheck’s site. at 10:11 am eastern time, April 4 2011”
http://nowewont.ning.com/profiles/blogs/obama-may-have-a-criminal-past?xg_source=facebookshare
Has any one seen this yet? Very interesting! :)
I read it. Running drugs is the most plausible explanation I’ve heard/read yet for Barky and the CIA to be in cahoots and for them to have sent him to the Middle East in the 80s. I have a hard time imagining Barky voluntarily putting himself in dangerous situations but no difficulty at all imagining him smuggling drugs from Afghanistan into the US.
obama is a terrorist he must be removed asap.
It should be noted that both ‘authors’ of the original Factcheck ‘Born in the USA’ ‘article’ are no longer with Factcheck at all.
Joe Miller has been work for the federal government at the CBO for over a year.
Jess Henig apparently left Factcheck in January to go work for a very obscure website called grist.org. However, Ms. Henig is not listed there. A search of any articles, blog or any internet postings by Ms. Henig since January fails to find any. Grist.org does not list Ms. Henig as an employee or contributor.
So one ‘author’ works for the government and the other is now essentially missing.
Lying Joe Miller at the Congressional Budget Office…that’s just what we need.
Here is another specific URL that has more detail.
http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/has_obamas_birth_certificate_been_disclosed.html
‘The “secrecy” ended when Tommy Vietor at the Obama campaign sent a message to us and other reporters saying, “I know there have been some rumors spreading about Obama’s citizenship, so I wanted to make sure you all had a copy of his birth certificate.” A digital image was attached.’
So Factcheck editor clearly points the finger at Tommy Vietor as the provider of the image, the image they have now removed. Do they not have faith in that image? Is that image a fraud? If so, what about the claimed source – Tommy Vietor?
http://www.whorunsgov.com/Profiles/Tommy_Vietor
“Vietor was one of the earliest members of Team Obama, having worked as deputy press secretary on Obama’s 2004 Senate campaign.”
So is Factcheck indirectly now saying that an insider to the administration provided them a fake image?
It seems as if there is electronic document shredding going on at the blogs.
http://www.thepostemail.com/2009/10/19/the-blaine-document/
Funny thing about this. I have researched this document and can find no evidence of forgery. I cannot find a single copy of Madeline Dunham signature to cross check the document. I would ask Dr. Polland to look at the original images, if you will provide them, to see if he can find evidence of alteration. You might want to think about presenting the certificate to the DoH in Hawaii to have them CONFIRM or DENY that it is an original document or matches the original record…as they are required to do by Hawaii state law. Just some random thoughts.
> I have researched this document and can find no evidence of forgery.
Unfortunately I think it is one (see also the comments in the Post-and-Email article you referenced to).
The letters are too perfect for a 1961 typewriter, they are a modern computer font.
Also the HRS 338-17.8 was not enacted until 1982.
Besides, why would it list “Place of birth: Honolulu” with a footnote saying it was not Honolulu? Why not list “Place of birth: Kenya” right away?
So I think this is a bad forgery (compare this to the Lucas Kenyan BC which does not have anything that plainly raises your eyebrows) meant to fool or distract us. (And possibly divide us into “true vs. forged” factions battling one another when they should be working together.)
> to have them CONFIRM or DENY that it is an original document or matches the original record…as they are required to do by Hawaii state law
I don’t think there is any state law that requires the state to confirm or deny if data on a piece of paper match the original record. After all, that’s exactly the privacy stuff that Obama/Soetoro hides his BC behind.
Nobody, repeat NOBODY would behave like Obumble has behaved unless the truth would be more damaging than the fuss created by obscuring the truth. The whole thing smells like three-week-old fish. He’s rotten to the core, as are his conspirators.