DOCUMENT CONTAINS REGISTRAR’S NAME, ISSUE DATE AND RAISED SEAL
by Sharon Rondeau
John F. Sweeney produced this edge-detection image of the Certificate of Live Birth obtained by The Post & Email from a person who had requested it from the Hawaii Department of Health
(Apr. 25, 2010) — The Post & Email is in possession of an original paper “Certificate of Live Birth” recently issued from the Hawaii Department of Health to an American citizen born at Kapiolani Medical Center in Hawaii in 1981 as verified by his mother.
At first glance, the document appears similar to the image posted on Obama’s campaign website. However, there are some differences:
- The document is titled “Certificate of Live Birth” as opposed to Obama’s “Certification of Live Birth.”
- There is more information about the parents on the right side of the document across from the spaces for “Mother’s Race” and “Father’s Race.” Both the mother’s and father’s places of birth are printed there. Obama’s purported “document” does not have that information.
- There is a visible certificate number at the top, while Obama’s is blacked out.
- On the back, there is a stamped date, presumably the date the document was issued from the Department of Health.
- Below the date there is a stamp which reads: “I CERTIFY THIS IS A TRUE COPY OR ABSTRACT OF THE RECORD ON FILE IN THE HAWAII STATE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH.” The signature of Alvin T. Onaka, Ph.D., is also there, followed by the words “STATE REGISTRAR.”
- The document contains a raised seal which is visible from both sides, unlike Obama’s.
- There are no marks where it looks as if something has bled through from the back to the front as in Obama’s “document.”
The Post & Email had published an in-depth analysis by photographic expert John F. Sweeney of the document which Factcheck.org claimed to have photographed at its Chicago office in March 2008 but which Sweeney maintains was taken at the Obama campaign headquarters instead.
Factcheck.org claims that the document on their website has a raised seal. However, the same edge-detection technique used with the image from Factcheck’s website shown below yields no such raised seal. Mr. Sweeney stated in his earlier analysis:
Edge-detection of the document released by Factcheck.org shows no raised seal (John F. Sweeney)
“What else is in, or more importantly, not in this photo? There is absolutely no evidence of a raised seal in the lower right portion of the document where the supposed scans and other supposed photos show the raised, 3-D seal from the Department of Health machine. The seal should be located in the area that has the shadow of the arm. But it is not there. It is not visible to the naked eye; there is not a sign of it under any zooming of the original photo; no digital manipulation tools find any evidence of a raised seal in this picture. With 100% certainty, the raised seal is not there. So this is merely a picture of a printout. It is definitely not an official COLB from Hawaii…The photo is not that of an official Hawaiian issue COLB due to the lack of a raised seal.”
According to a WorldNetDaily report dated July 29, 2009, in 1961, there were four different ways to obtain birth documentation from the Hawaii Department of Health, including a mail-in registration requiring no in-person substantiation of the birth by an adult. One website reports that there were six ways to do so, with one category, the Certificate of Hawaiian Birth, being eliminated in 1972.
The Hawaii Department of Health provides the following information on how to apply for a “late registration” of birth:
As provided by law (HRS §§338-15, 338-29.5), the following persons may apply for late registration:
- Any person born in Hawaii who is one year old or older and whose birth has not been previously registered in Hawaii, or that person’s parent, guardian, next of kin, or older person acting for that person and having knowledge of the facts of birth may request the registration of a late certificate of birth, except that an application will not be accepted for a deceased person.
- Registration of a late certificate of death, marriage, or divorce may be requested by the person in charge of the disposition of the body, marriage officiant or performer, or court clerk, respectively.
Factcheck.org claims that members of its staff examined Obama’s “birth certificate” at Obama headquarters and that “we can attest to the fact that it is real and three-dimensional and resides at the Obama headquarters in Chicago. We can assure readers that the certificate does bear a raised seal, and that it’s stamped on the back by Hawaii state registrar Alvin T. Onaka (who uses a signature stamp rather than signing individual birth certificates).” However, Factcheck displays a raised seal which cannot be conclusively determined to belong to Obama’s COLB, and the photo above of the Factcheck document using edge-detection shows no raised seal.
Likewise, Factcheck displays the stamp of Alvin T. Onaka’s signature in a close-up shot, but the background appears to be a darker shade of green than the full document. Similarly, the “blowup” of the “City” field on the Factcheck document appears to be a different shade of green than the full-size document shown above it. There is nothing to prove that an official registrar’s stamp, raised seal, or date stamp are present on the Factcheck document.
- “Blowup” of a closeup from Obama’s purported “birth certificate” from Factcheck.org
In Factcheck’s “Analysis” of the purported Obama birth certificate, several links to news articles which supposedly quoted Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Director of the Hawaii Department of Health as saying that she had personally seen Obama’s birth certificate on file no longer work, although the cited news reports are readily available elsewhere, and Dr. Fukino’s official public statements can be found here and here.
The document which The Post & Email has obtained shows the word “Certificate” at the top. The person to whom it belongs was born in Hawaii. Is the “Certification” document with Obama’s name on it an indication that he received a “delayed registration”? Is the word “Certification” used only in cases where a birth in Hawaii cannot be conclusively proven?
During a meeting of the Kenyan Parliament on March 25, 2010, Minister of Lands James Orengo stated that Obama was born in Kenya and not in the United States (p. 31). A previous Parliament meeting on November 5, 2008 contains multiple references to what might be understood as his birth in Kenya. The Kenyan ambassador to the U.S., Mr. Peter Ogego, stated that Obama’s birthplace is Kenya “is well-known,” and Obama’s wife has called Kenya his “home country.”
To date, no witnesses to Obama’s birth in Hawaii have come forward. Questions about his original birth certificate have been avoided by both the Bush administration and Obama regime.
Could Obama himself have requested a document from the Hawaii Department of Health in 2007 in preparation for his run for President? Did he file for a “delayed registration”? If so, what documentation did he present to Dr. Fukino or someone else at the Health Department? Could he have presented the birth announcements from the two Hawaii newspapers as proof of his birth there to obtain the “Certification of Live Birth”?
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HRS338-13 provides for the issue of three different formats.
A copy of the original
A copy of the contents.
Or part thereof.
HRS338-13 then goes on to deem only the ‘contents’ as being considered for all purposes the same as the original…. See More
‘Contents’ means ALL the contents, because ALL is qualified by ‘part thereof’.
A COLB is ‘part thereof’ and therefore cannot be used for the same purposes as a copy of ALL the contents (commonly known as a birth certificate.
This is supported by the fact that a COLB has the notation of being a ‘certification’ and a BC as a ‘certificate’.
Had the statute intended for all the three formats to be as good as a BC, it would simply say something like ‘all three certified copies shall be considered the same as the original’ ……….. but it doesn’t say anything even remotely like that, it is clear and specific.
§338-13 Certified copies. (a) Subject to the requirements of sections 338-16, 338-17, and 338-18, the department of health shall, upon request, furnish to any applicant
a certified copy of any certificate, or
the contents of any certificate,
or any part thereof.
(b) Copies of the contents of any certificate on file in the department, certified by the department shall be considered for all purposes the same as the original, subject to the requirements of sections 338-16, 338-17, and 338-18.
(c) Copies may be made by photography, dry copy reproduction, typing, computer printout or other process approved by the director of health. [L 1949, c 327, §17; RL 1955, §57-16; am L Sp 1959 2d, c 1, §19; HRS §338-13; am L 1978, c 49, §1]
http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/consumerawareness/a/passporthowto.htm
Quote:
‘Proof of US Citizenship Required: When applying for a U.S. passport in person, you will need to provide proof of US citizenship. The following documents will be accepted as proof of US citizenship:
* Previously issued, undamaged US passport
* Certified birth certificate issued by the city, county or state of birth
* Consular Report of Birth Abroad or Certification of Birth
* Naturalization Certificate
* Certificate of Citizenship
If you do not have primary evidence of U.S. citizenship or your birth certificate does not meet the requirements, you can submit an acceptable form of Secondary Evidence of US Citizenship.’
The site goes on to state ………..
Quote:
‘A birth certificate or a certified copy of an original birth certificate is becoming increasingly important as a required form of identification…………….
When ordering, be aware that shortened (abstract) versions of birth certificates offered by some states may not be acceptable for US passport purposes. Be sure to order only the full, certified copy of the original birth certificate bearing the registrar’s raised, embossed, impressed or multicolored seal, registrar’s signature, and the date the certificate was filed with the registrar’s office.’
The meaning of Article II is clear and justifiable, in that the founding fathers sought to have only the best imaginable citizen as eligible for the office of POTUS.
If they only sought to have any ‘born’ citizen eligible they would not have said ‘natural-born’.
Clearly there were and stil are other ‘born’ US citizens who are not ‘natural-born’ for example at the time of the adoption of the USC there were children of a patriot (revolutionary) US new-citizen father and an indigenous indian, mother, or a British loyalist mother, or a african-slave mother, or children of people resident in US at the time who neither had any allegiance to the newly found nation, but rather were fence-sitters who might have expected the British to win the place back.
The 14th made it possible for those born to such people or the like to be deemed ‘born’ citizens, but not ‘natural-born, because if they were intended to be deemed ‘natural-born’ by the 14th, it would simply say so …………. but it didn’t.
Obama may be a ‘born’ US citizen (still yet to be proven), but it is a clear fact that he is NOT by any stretch, an Article II ‘natural born’ US citizen.
Obama lied on his Arizona nomination.
Funny isn’t it how he doesn’t come right out and PUBLICLY claim ‘natural born’ US citizen status ….. don’t you think?
Even in the face of the legal challenges to his eligibility, which he has cunningly steered away from the courts through technicalities and the fact that he has made the claim IN PRIVATE, he has nothing to lose by stating now PUBLICLY his claim, it shouldn’t shock anyone because as you infer everyone who is not ‘sheer lunatic’ already ‘knows’ he is natural born …………. right? and it would be a normal thing to state.
1 The dataset within Obama’s Hawaii COLB would NOT be legally admissible on two counts: A) any person born before COLBs were introduced in November 2001 was registered using a paper record, and as an abstract of that paper record a COLB is nothing more than a notification that another as-yet-unauthenticated document purporting to contain witnessed information exists in DoH archives, so Obama’s COLB would only be evidence of (as it admits) “the fact of birth” not the factS (plural) of birth, given the Registrar’s stamp, seal, and signature merely authenticates the COLB alone not the dataset; B) as an abstract Obama’s COLB refers on its first line to an alleged originating 1961 certificate and its index number to substantiate the included dataset, but these references are hearsay-within-hearsay inadmissible under any FRE Rule, since in the circumstances only the containing document itself is exempted hearsay and Obama’s 2007 record (COLB) was not created at or near the time of the vital event, by an official with first-hand knowledge, nor was the informant (family member) employed by a public agency or business entity to be reliable and trustworthy.
2 Following the usage of Hawaii statute, when Fukino in her statement refers to Obama’s “original” vital records she means nothing more than Obama’s “CURRENT” vital records. Given Fukino did not cite the type or date of Obama’s original i.e. current vital records, then all evidence suggests that, if accepted, they were only legally completed very recently.
3 Hawaii DoH has confirmed through UIPA that Obama amended his birthdate; DoH also confirmed through UIPA that it holds Obama’s delayed birth certificate for which no affidavits or other evidence were supplied. These confirmations strip Obama’s COLB of its evidentiary status and mean he was not born in a Hawaii hospital as he claimed. Given the reason for the delay is illegally missing from Obama’s published COLB, this establishes it as fraudulent. The collusion of Hawaii DoH in the misrepresentation may be seen in the original date of the incomplete filing (August 8, 1961) appearing on the forged COLB as the date of its official acceptance, which was apparently delayed until 2007. The alleged newspaper announcements of Obama’s birth either originated from his family, or the few photo-archive “sources” were faked, and cannot substantiate the amended and delayed filing.
4 The application of Vattel and his international law of nations to Article 2(1)(5) is an untested interpretation of the Constitution, not settled law. It is not likely SCOTUS would apply Vattel to Article 2(1)(5) and exclude “dual foreign citizens” from the Presidency when legal precedent shows that all citizens born in the US have been deemed at birth to owe exclusive allegiance to the US. This has been seen when tax protesters have claimed that there are two different legal entities named respectively the “United States” and the “United States of America”, and that one does not have exclusive legal jurisdiction over citizens of the other. Given no separate category of “dual foreign citizen” exists in US law I suggest it would be unrealistic to expect federal courts, which have always punished the “split allegiance and obligations” theory of US–USA citizenship in tax protest cases, to apply a parallel interpretation of US citizenship in a constitutional case.
Furthermore, the US has always expected a loyal compliance with the US draft even during wartime by “dual foreign citizens” associated with enemy nations (for example, those of Japanese, German, and Italian parentage). Again, when “Tokyo Rose” (Iva Toguri, US born of Japanese parents) was tried for treason allegedly committed while resident in Japan during WW2, Toguri did not plead in her defense a “lesser loyalty”. Conversely, Tomoya Kawakita (US born of Japanese parents), convicted of treason for being an abusive civilian interpreter assigned to American POWs in Japan, did plead a “lesser loyalty” as a “dual foreign citizen” and appealed his conviction on that basis to SCOTUS. In 1952 SCOTUS found that since the US demanded the same loyalty from all US citizens then “dual foreign citizens” could not claim the privilege of a “lesser loyalty” or “fair weather citizenship”: the conviction was upheld (Kawakita v. United States, 343 U.S. 717). Toguri had resisted Japanese pressure to expatriate herself during WW2 and was always a loyal American despite her prison sentence and subsequent federal intimidation, such that when investigative journalists discovered that prosecution witnesses against her had lied, Toguri received a full, unconditional pardon from President Ford. By then, however, the point had been well made: federal authorities recognize no gradations of allegiance. Obama claiming to be a “dual citizen” effects a cunning distraction from his dubious immigration status when he knows he has the entire federal judiciary and precedent on his side regarding “dual foreign citizenship”.
Funny, I happen to be a Natural Born Citizen of the United States owing allegiance to no other Country.
Can B. Hussein Obama say that?
I am protected by the US Government via International Law and signed Treaties, whereever I travel in the world. (Except maybe a few Rogue states)
Can B. Hussein Obama say that?
“Claims of other countries on dual national U.S. citizens may conflict with U.S. law, and dual nationality may limit U.S. Government efforts to assist citizens abroad. The country where a dual national is located generally has a stronger claim to that person’s allegiance.”
US State Department
http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1753.html
http://www.westernjournalism.com/?page_id=7263
“On June 12, 2008 the title for this form was Certification of Live Birth. The title for the form that this family received in the first week of June 2009 is Certificate of Live Birth. I called The Dept of Health and confirmed that the title of the form had been changed. The bureaucrat that I spoke to said the change had been made “recently”, but could not or would not tell me when. Sometime between June 12, 2008 and the first week of June 2009 the Hawaiian Dept of Health changed the title of this abbreviated form from “Certification of Live Birth” to “Certificate of Live Birth“. Why?
The use of the word “Certificate” rather than “Certification” makes the form feel somewhat more like a traditional birth certificate than the “Certification of Live Birth” that the Daily Kos website and subsequently the Obama campaign posted on the Internet even though, like the “Certification“, it also lacks any information about the hospital, doctor, or midwife. This renaming of the document will be very convenient for the Hawaiian Dept of Health in future stonewalling should any legal pressure be brought against them to produce Obama’s “Certificate of Live Birth”. Instead of producing the original “Certificate of Live Birth”, they will produce the “Certification of Live Birth” form that the Dept of Health has now renamed a “Certificate of Live Birth” and claim that they are doing so”
The change took place in October 2008. The current revision of the COLB form OHSM-1 is 10/2008. Obama’s COLB was allegedly printed in June 2007 on OHSM-1 Revision 11/2001. Interestingly, this coincides within the date range of Fukino’s first press release on October 31, 2008, and just days before the election.
This site is suggesting that the Obama birth announcements are solid evidence that someone with the name Obama was born on August 4, 1961. Clearly they are forged. View:
Obama Birth Announcement Forged
http://www.hoaxofthecentury.com/ForgedObama1.htm
View http://www.HoaxOfTheCentury.com to learn how US spies and Nazi Germany spies were MERGED after WWII to create the CIA and would you believe the Nazi spies were trusted?
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Mrs. Rondeau replies: We really don’t know anything about the man who occupies the Oval Office. He might have a completely different name. Obviously, he is hiding a tremendous amount of information. The Post & Email does not maintain the position that anything about Obama is true, but we do seek the truth about him and his past.
Obama is assuming the identity of a person born in Hawaii. Pure and simple. Hawaii courts, bureacrats, governor are fighting tooth-and-nails to prevent the cat from getting out of the bag for illegals. BECOME A US CITIZEN: Just say you are the person born on some birthdate and want the birth certificate.
The Nazis in The White House Story: Part 6
Bush Ages Nix US Genealogy Claims
http://www.hoaxofthecentury.com/WhatBushesAges1.htm
Absolutely amazing piece Ms. R. and Mr. C. Perhaps the best written yet. When he finally goes down please start stretching your arms so you can give yourselves double pats on the back. You are the media, you are investigative reporters, you took the place of an AWOL press and media. Question, do you get hits from http://www.whitehouse.gov? I do very frequently. If you get a chance, please let me know. Thanks a fellow patriot. J.C.
Mrs. Rondeau,
Please help me make this video go viral. I sent it to Rush just now, and I hope he will play it on his radio program. The tape is a little long, but Kenya Boy admits in the beginning that his father is Kenyan right at the beginning. We all know he is NOT a natural born citizen, and this just helps our cause. I hope it will help wake up the entire country. Thanks for all you do for all of us!!! We love you guys at Post&Email. Here it is…
http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=tCAffMSWSzY#t=28
http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/2010/04/26/educating-the-really-really-confused-about-nbc-gate/
Most excellent post by Leo. Worthwhile read.
The “Solution”-
Quo Warranto-
Jury Trial – 12 citizens render the verdict on the facts & THE LAW
Supreme Court is a farce Roberts et al are ridiculous. If you all can’t see that by now , I don’t know what show you’ve been watching.
Does a quo warranto get a jury trial??? not sure about that one.
Listen to this new updated video about Obama’s COBC; he mentioned that Texdude who used to analyse BO’s COBC on Texasdarlin website was back a few days ago to finalise the revealation of BO’s younger sister’s name on BO’s COBC which was placed on dailykos website:
http://giveusliberty1776.blogspot.com/2010/04/obama-is-fraudwhat-is-he-hidingwatch.html
I would LOVE to believe this is true. How can we know? Can it be proved without a doubt? Even if the Daily Kos image was used and Obama’s camp denies that it used that as a template, the proof that she was issued a COLB would be AMAZING and in fact, that would be … dare I say, A SMOKING GUN.
Was this video just released today? Sounds too good to be true.
Leo Denofrio has verified that there is no Hawaiian COLB for the sister when he received the index data for vital records. She was born in Mylasia and the vital records released showed no registration for her. The rumors of the ‘sisters COLB’ can be discarded.
Almost any valid 2007 COLB could have been used for the ‘template’ for the Daily KOS forgery. There was no specific need for a family member COLB since it was heavily photoshopped anyway.
I do not believe that you can take what the DoH has stated at face value. There are four different birth indexes:
a) the standard birth index for births that occurred in HI and were promptly registered b) birth index for Certificate of Hawaii Births (not to be confused with COLB; they are entirely different c) birth index for late/delayed birth registrations and d) birth index for foreign births.
There is a another qualifier, SAD would have had to lived in HI within a year of Maya’s birth in order to apply for a HI COLB for her. While we cannot be certain given how all opaque this has been, I do not believe that Maya would qualified for a HI COLB since SAD likely did not meet the residency requirements.
Unless Leo specifically instructed the DoH to search the foreign birth index, I doubt the DoH did, thus the answer “no records exist that are responsive to your request”. It has only come out recently (after Leo made his request), that the DoH maintains the four different types of index data.
It might be worthwhile for someone who has not bombarded the DoH with requests to pay the $7.50 fee and request a search of Maya’s record in the foreign birth index. It is really the only way to know for certain if she received a HI COLB or not.
The DoH will deny that a foreign birth index even exists, so it is important to preface the request with the following:
“I hereby request a search of the foreign birth index data maintained by the DoH in accordance with the DoH Specific Record Retention Schedule Item VDR-10 (pg. 19) for a record containing Maya Kassandra Soetoro or any name derivative thereof”.
Also for clarity sake, Maya was born in Jakarta, Indonesia not Malaysia, as someone previously posted.
The DKos idiots admitted to forging the COLB that they placed on their site. That’s old news.
Here is a bo, Colb with a raised seal, used to be on fight the smears now on a new link:
http://giveusliberty1776.blogspot.com/2010/04/copy-this-and-spraed-this-far-and.html