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by Sharon Rondeau

(Mar. 8, 2023) — Late Monday afternoon, Twitter user @MAPennell tweeted The Post & Email’s latest article featuring his/her tweets about the presidential requirement of “natural born Citizen” stemming from the account’s challenge to 2024 presidential candidate Vivek Ramaswamy to release his parents’ citizenship documentation to prove his eligibility for the office.

The tweet was directed to Ramaswamy and fellow Republican presidential candidate Nikki Haley; RNC Research, a branch of the Republican National Committee; the Committee itself and its recently-re-elected chairwoman, Ronna McDaniel.

Some, including the late attorney and constitutional scholar Mario Apuzzo, and particularly many in The Post & Email’s audience, believe “natural born Citizen” to mean, “born in the country to citizen parents.”

While Ramaswamy and Haley were indisputably born in the United States, there is a lack of evidence that either set of parents naturalized as U.S. citizens prior to the candidate’s birth on U.S. soil. Both candidates’ parents happen to hail from India.

On February 21, Ramaswamy declared his candidacy on “Tucker Carlson Tonight,” while Haley made her declaration in mid-February after pledging not to run if Donald J. Trump, for whom she served as United Nations ambassador for roughly two years, entered the race.

Trump announced his intention to seek re-election to the Oval Office on November 15, 2022.

After Barack Obama declared his presidential candidacy in February 2007, controversy arose given that his claimed father, Barack Hussein Obama, Sr., was for his entire life a foreign citizen, first of Great Britain via his birth in the then-British colony of Kenya in 1934, and later, of Kenya after it achieved independence in late 1963. Although varying narratives of the younger Obama’s life story abound, it has been consistently reported, and Obama II has never denied, that his father never became a U.S. citizen, having been forced to leave the country after Harvard refused to allow him to finish his studies, according to government documents.

The Post & Email’s most recent article on the “natural born” subject was issued to correct the record on its having mistaken MAPennell’s invocation of an 1879 judicial opinion, the third of three in a screenshot touching on the meaning of “natural born Citizen,” for an unrelated one issued the same year though with a similar name.

MAPennell’s initial tweet to us referenced Ex Parte Reynolds involving a male American Indian and his claim of U.S. citizenship and voting rights prior to the passage of the Indian Citizenship Act.

Notably, the court’s opinion quoted Swiss jurist and philosopher Emmerich de Vattel, whose 1758 treatise, The Law of Nations, is considered by many historians and scholars to have been a strong influence on the Framers of the U.S. Constitution.

“Vattel,” the opinion states on page 11, “in his Law of Nations (page 101), says: ‘As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, these children naturally follow the condition of their fathers and succeed to their rights. * * * The country of the father is, therefore, that of the children, and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent,” [sic]…By the law of nature alone, children follow the condition of their fathers and enter into all their rights.”

In Section 212 of The Law of Nations, Vattel wrote:

The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children; and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent. We shall soon see whether, on their coming to the years of discretion, they may renounce their right, and what they owe to the society in which they were born. I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.

The Twitter conversation, copied to several other parties, on Tuesday generated MAPennell’s response and reiteration by recipient @lgstarr: “Usurpation of the American presidency, borne at best of ignorance and at worst of indifference, greed, malice, or a Faustian bargain.”

The statement is followed by a quote attributed to the late scientist and Cornell University professor of astronomy Carl Sagan taken from a book he co-wrote in 1996, “The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark.”

The above quotation appears to be missing the word “you” in its final paragraph, which is on page 241 of the book.

Google Books describes Sagan’s work as, “A prescient warning of a future we now inhabit, where fake news stories and Internet conspiracy theories play to a disaffected American populace.” Published the year of his death, it “argues that scientific thinking is critical not only to the pursuit of truth but to the very well-being of our democratic institutions.”

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Paul S Fitch
Sunday, August 20, 2023 4:54 PM

Until our government follows its own rules, we will be ruled by men not law.

AAAAANDRE
Saturday, August 19, 2023 9:24 PM

I figured as much, been searching for confirmation before starting to point this out and found this site. Aren’t naturalization records publicly available? Most people celebrate the accomplishment and proclaim it widely. Vivek’s parents… “crickets”.

My example for why just one citizen parent doesn’t cut it is…
Prince Harry’s child born in California would be eligible to be President!
Do you think the founders would be OK with a direct/indirect? heir to the British Crown becoming President of the USA? I don’t think so!

Also, suppose India and China go at it? Would our support of India be because of our interests? Or Vivek’s (or Nikki, or Kamala’s) parents interests??? The doubt would hang over every decision.

Robert S Ely
Friday, August 18, 2023 4:20 PM

If you are requiring Vivek’s parent’s documentation, I WANT to also see Barack Obama’s and Kamala Harris’ parental documentation as NEITHER of their FATHERS were Legal American Citizens at the time of their births. Obama produced multiple FAKE birth certificates, making HIM totally INVALID to have been President. That is a BOLD FACE LIE of his part! Seems people have NOT questioned Kamala’s, but SHOULD. That should be the FORTH REQUIREMENT to provide legal and PROVABLE birth documentation to PROVE YOU ARE by original definition, a NATURAL BORN AMERICAN CITIZEN, before even being considered to be on the BALLOT, let alone getting elected!

Yellereyeddog
Reply to  Robert S Ely
Friday, August 25, 2023 5:42 PM

In order to have standing in court it would require the opponent to sue. McCain chose not to sue.

Reply to  Robert S Ely
Saturday, November 25, 2023 1:48 PM

Thank you, Robert. I am glad to find more and more Americans who truly love the U. S. Constitution and what it clearly says on this matter. This country is filled with IGNORANT lawyers who should get their money back from their laws school who apparently never taught them the meaning of NATURAL-BORN (e.g. Judge Napolitano). I am told to shut up; this is not important! Really??????

Shelley
Tuesday, July 18, 2023 8:35 AM

This also applied to Ted Cruz (who held dual citizenship), Marco Rubio, and Bobby Jindal. Now the question comes up with Nikki Haley and Vivek Ramaswamy. Nikki & Vivek do not appear to have citizen parents when they were born in the US. They may be US citizens, but not natural born. This is so extremely important and is being ignored by both parties. My parents told me that Romney’s dad dropped out of his presidential bid because of his citizenship – I haven’t researched it to verify the information.
Obama and Kamala Harris are also in this group. Kamala’s parents were on student visas if I remember correctly.
I would add one question to the question of natural born citizen. At the time of one’s birth, can they claim dual citizenship?
The question of natural born citizen needs to be addressed because we have far too many that aren’t running for president in both parties. Where will their loyalties lie if a conflict comes up between their home country and the US?
We should not be giving citizenship to anyone born in the US, just because they are in the US. Illegals should never be given citizenship based on birth – they aren’t in the country legally. Those on temporary visas should not be given citizenship. And those born to parents legally in the country but not citizens should be considered citizens, but they are not natural born.

Rattlerjake
Reply to  Shelley
Saturday, July 22, 2023 4:21 PM

What we must not ignore is that if these candidates are willing to violate this extremely important provision in our Constitution, what other provisions are they willing to ignore or violate? If they are willing to lie about their citizenship status, what else will they lie to us about?

Robert S Ely
Reply to  Shelley
Friday, August 18, 2023 4:26 PM

WE NEED to use the ORIGINAL definitions used by the FOUNDERS that wrote/compiled the U.S. Constitution AND the States that RATIFIED it to their UNDERSTANDING. DEFINITIONS in CONTRACTS/COMPSACTS must be spelled out or at least be completely understood as of the CONTRACT/COMPACT agreement (RATIFICATION). No other or altered definitions are VALID! For those that do NOT know the difference between a CONTRACT and a COMPACT, CONTRACTS are between sovereign citisens or businesses where a COMPACT is between SOVEREIGN GOVERNMENTS (much like a TREATY). EVERY State in OUR UNION is a SOVEREIGN GOVERNMENT aka COUNTRY as members on the Union. They ARE ALL INDEPENDENT COUNTRIES otherwise!

Yellereyeddog
Reply to  Shelley
Friday, August 25, 2023 5:46 PM

In order to have standing in court it would require the opponent to sue. McCain chose not to sue.

Reply to  Shelley
Saturday, November 25, 2023 1:52 PM

Nikki Haley is only an “American” because of the egregious misapplication of the 14th amendment. It is quite likely that, according to the proper interpretation, she is not even an American citizen, much less a natural-born citizen.

The Republican party is nearly as bankrupt of constitutional knowledge as the democrat party. The bottom line for both is this: They care what it says only as far as it benefits them. Both parties make me SICK.

Joe Miles
Tuesday, June 20, 2023 8:38 PM

I know for a fact that Nikki Haley is NOT natural born. At the the time of her birth her parent were legal residents of the US, but still citizens of India with allegiance to India.
If they would have naturalized before Nikki Haley’s birth, they would have taken the naturalized oath of allegiance, renouncing allegiance to India and swearing allegiance only to the US.
That never happened so she is a born citizen, but not a natural born citizen, therefore NOT eligible to run for POTUS.
Obama is NOT natural born, neither is Kamala Harris, Marco Rubio or Ted Cruz.

Terry Rose
Sunday, June 18, 2023 3:45 PM

Everything Obama did, appointed, signed, is null and void, as the child of a non-citizen. What about Kamala? Were HER parents citizens? The Founders indeed did rely on Emmerich Vattel’s Law of Nations. Benjamin Franklin received 3 copies of that book and told the sender that it was being used by the Founders, in the writing of our Constitution.

Joe miles
Reply to  Terry Rose
Tuesday, June 20, 2023 8:52 PM

Terry, you are 100% correct. Please my comment just prior to yours. Natural born status is in Emmetich de Vattel’s book, “The Law ofvNations”, 1758, in chapter 19.
Also read John Jay’s letter to George Washington from July 25, 1787.
The original entry by Alexander Hamilton read “born citizen”.
John Jay’s letter adds natural born status to the Presidential eligibility clause. John Jay expressed his concern for foreign influence. Because Nikki Haley’s parents did NOT naturalize before her birth, therefore they passed their Indian citizenship and allegiance to Nikki Haley.at best Nikki Haley has dual citizenship and is NOT natural born.

Rattlerjake
Reply to  Terry Rose
Saturday, July 22, 2023 4:24 PM

They didn’t just rely on Vattel’s “The Law of Nations”, many parts of our Constitution were taken word for work directly from it!

Reply to  Terry Rose
Saturday, November 25, 2023 1:52 PM

EXACTLY! Thank you.

Saturday, May 6, 2023 11:39 AM

My experience with errors in print , especially when writing is transferred to the electronic or digital format, is that the numerous-ever changing “steps” of editing, that include spellers, word counters and the easy electronic moving of lines ,addition of commas, periods and other pieces of editing interference, has been that minor errors such as eliminating repeated words,(as . . .you, you. . . in the fragment by Carl Sagan, in where the word “you”-an important part of the idea Mr Sagan was propounding, was dropped, possibly by accidental editing.
I wonder if other readers or users of the ever more crowded and stuffed “internet and WW Web” have noticed this also?

Madam Shylock
Sunday, March 12, 2023 5:08 PM

NEVER as long as there are idiots who believe Barry Soetoro, aka Obama, was born in Hawaii.

Favorite Martian
Reply to  Madam Shylock
Tuesday, May 30, 2023 9:44 AM

Where he was born is irrelevant. Since his father was never a citizen of the United States, he was ineligible on two levels. First, he was not born of citizen parents, parents being plural meaning both have to be citizens of the United States. Second, as Vattel points out, “The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children; and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent.” Thus, the country of his father being Kenya, he was born as a Kenyan citizen. Even if you allow that he had dual citizenship by dint of his mother being an American citizen, a person with dual citizenship can’t be POTUS. Obama wasn’t eligible. In 2016, Ted Cruz wasn’t eligible (even though I like the guy) and neither Ramaswamy or Haley are eligible.

Joe Miles
Reply to  Favorite Martian
Tuesday, June 20, 2023 8:57 PM

….exactly… Where Obama was born is irrelevant as his father was not a US citizen. He was an illegal President!

Reply to  Favorite Martian
Saturday, November 25, 2023 1:54 PM

Yes, yes, yes! Thank you for that often ignored truth.

Joe Miles
Reply to  Madam Shylock
Tuesday, June 20, 2023 8:59 PM

Exactly… Where Obama was born is irrelevant as his father was not a US citizen. Obama was an illegal President!

John Hampton
Reply to  Madam Shylock
Friday, July 28, 2023 7:30 PM

100%

Ted
Wednesday, March 8, 2023 7:55 PM

Here’s what is likely to happen, they’ll say they’re a citizen as if being just a citizen is the requirement, it isn’t but they’ll try to conflate the issue and confuse the low information voter.
Judges want to avoid any case involving this because they know one day the candidate who’s case is before them might also be an individual who decides if they get a federal appointment. They also know the case could have far reaching implications, say a judge rules that dual citizens aren’t Natural Born Citizens, Well that would appear to be problematic for Barry Soetoro. What happens then? Does the ACA & DACA immediately become nullified along with a whole host of legislative & legal issues? It’s going to take a courageous Judge to hear such a case.

Terry Rose
Reply to  Ted
Sunday, June 18, 2023 3:48 PM

YES, IMMEDIATELY NULLIFIED. We cannot excuse what has happened. But OUR eternal vigilance is the price of liberty.. (Thomas Jefferson). Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. (C. S. Lewis)

Reply to  Terry Rose
Saturday, November 25, 2023 1:55 PM

Yes, “Compromise is corruption on the installment plan.” Every inch of ground we concede to serious constitutional error erodes the very fabric of this nation.

phrowt
Wednesday, March 8, 2023 7:28 PM

Yes, we have been taken and it is the Republican Party that is responsible. Not only did they not challenge Obama the ran equally unqualified candidates against him. So there was no effort to challenge as their ploy would have also been exposed. Fast forward in the subsequent elections and it is once again the Republicans that are allowing more usurpers to run. These usurpers like Halley just muddy the efforts of anyone that meets Art. 2, Sec. 1, Cl. 5. As Sonny and Cher sang, and the beat goes on.

Bob68
Reply to  phrowt
Friday, March 10, 2023 9:24 PM

Yes, both parties now cover for unqualified candidates because they both offered them before……and still do. Doing anything about The Obama Fraud at this point could result in treason charges for members of both parties who sworn an oath to protect the Constitution and violated it. This is why both parties want anyone but Donald Trump as president…….The Uniparty can’t be sure that Trump will ever expose their treason,… but they fear that possibility and prefer anyone else in order to make the possibility as close to zero as possible. The more ineligible candidates both parties run the more likely it is “natural born citizen” will be reduced to being able to spell “citizen” in the language of your choice.
Obama is “exhibit “A” for why the Constitutions requirement for NBC is vital to America’s future……….and what happens when it is ignored……….

Bob68
Reply to  CDR Kerchner (Ret)
Saturday, March 11, 2023 9:11 PM

Great compliment. Thank you Sir………

Reply to  phrowt
Tuesday, March 14, 2023 3:23 PM

One can see exactly which Republicans in the U.S. Senate and others who where the ones who tried to redefine the “natural born Citizen” term in our U.S. Constitution, or start a process to amend that part to take it out, and quickly failed in the relevant committees, at this link – section 5: http://www.art2superpac.com/issues.html Some are gone now but the baton has been passed down to others in the Republican establishment in DC.

And the approach now is simply to just ignore the original intent meaning, dumb down our citizenry via infiltrating our schools in what is taught, and redefine it in the public domain with the full aid of the major main stream media … following the long term linguist redefining of words and language tactics and strategy of the early 20th century Italian Communist Antonio Gramsci: https://cdrkerchner.wordpress.com/2022/07/15/gramsci-alinsky-the-left-by-jeff-carlson-cfa/ and https://cdrkerchner.wordpress.com/tag/antonio-gramsci/ And the Marxists/Communists and their chosen front people for high political office like Obama in the USA have been quite successful in redefining words and language and our culture in their efforts to undermine and destroy our Constitutional Republic.

You will recognize some big establishment Republican leadership names in that list. The Republican Party had a very large stable of non-natural born Citizens they want to put forward. So they are just as guilty if not more guilty in Obama getting seated in the Oval Office and gaining command of our military forces. That is why I cut up my RNC membership card years ago and sent it back to them via one of their donation solicitation mail campaign and told them they would get no more donations from me. And the Republican Party is still blocking any attempts to follow the original founders and framers original meaning and intent (spelled out clearly in John Jay’s summer of 1787 letter to George Washington, i.e., no foreign influence via birth status) for putting the “natural born Citizen” qualification requirement into the presidential eligibility clause. When it comes to the “natural born Citizen” term in our U.S. Constitution we have a “uni-party” in control in Washington DC.

CDR Kerchner (Ret)
http://www.ProtectOurLiberty.org

Ed Sunderland
Reply to  CDR Kerchner (Ret)
Thursday, March 16, 2023 9:09 AM

Barack Obama is the quintessential reason for the natural-born citizen clause. He is not American and works even today to weaponize the government and the social fabric of this country against us to destroy it. He is surrounded by a bodyguard of lies and liars who refuse to tell the truth and everything they know about him and Michael.

roberted
Reply to  Ed Sunderland
Thursday, March 16, 2023 8:02 PM

And part of that bodyguard are members of CONgress, both parties……still protecting themselves by protecting Barry the usurper….

Reply to  Ed Sunderland
Saturday, November 25, 2023 1:58 PM

Yes, MICHAEL. He needs to be stripped naked in front of the whole world, so we can finally “expose” HIM.

Jeff Paulk
Reply to  phrowt
Tuesday, March 21, 2023 7:46 AM

You are 100% correct. We have been taken, and it is the fault of the Republican Party, who not only did not oppose Obama, but ran inelligible candidates in Rubio, Cruz, Jindal, and now Haley. If the parents were not U.S. citizens at the time of the child’s birth, the child is NOT a Natural Born Citizen. There are three types of citizens; Citizen by birth (Rubio); Naturalized Citizen (immigrant who takes the oath); Natural Born Citizen – born to two U.S. citizens.

Reply to  Jeff Paulk
Saturday, November 25, 2023 1:59 PM

I believe Ramasamy falls into the ineligible category as well. Both he and Haley are citizens of India.

Lucius Boggs
Wednesday, March 8, 2023 2:16 PM

“Some, including constitutional scholars, and particularly many in The Post & Email’s audience, believe “natural born Citizen” to mean, “born in the country to citizen parents.””

Dr. Herb Titus (mentioned in the linked article) did not believe that a natural born citizen had to be born in the US. He said they could be born anywhere as long as they had two citizen parents.

“What is a natural born citizen? It is one who is born to an American father and mother. It doesn’t matter where he’s born, they might be overseas when he is born.”

https://www.podcastaddict.com/episode/http%3A%2F%2Ftraffic.libsyn.com%2Fhomefront%2FHF48_140218_Dr_Herb_Titus.mp3&podcastId=1919869

Also in your linked video of Dr. Titus while he gives a short mention of the 1898 Wong Kim Ark case, he does not mention Minor v Happersett at all.

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Then in his amicus brief in Rudy v Lee, Dr. Titus appears to ignore the precedence of Minor v Happersett.

Starting on page 15:
“It is well-established that there are two kinds of birth citizenships, one acquired by parentage of birth and the other by place of birth. As for the first kind, this Court stated assuredly in the 1875 case of Minor v. Happersett that:”

“At common-law, with the nomenclature of which
the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it
was never doubted that all children born in a
country of parents who were its citizens became
themselves, upon their birth, citizens also.
These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as
distinguished from aliens or foreigners. [Id.
(emphasis added).]”

“Less confidently, this Court opined in that same case that:”

“Some authorities go further and include as
citizens children born within the jurisdiction
without reference to the citizenship of their
parents. [Id. at 167-68 (emphasis added).]”

“However, 23 years later, this Court appeared to elevate this second view, asserting that citizenship acquired by birth was governed by the English common law rule that citizenship at birth was defined by place of birth, except in those cases where the parents owed an official allegiance to a foreign government. See Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649, at 655 (1898).”

Dr. Titus appears to tell the Court that at some point they would need to choose between Justice Gray’s opinion and Chief Justice Fuller’s dissent.

On page 18:
“It is not necessary at this point to decide whether President Obama is a natural born citizen. Nor is it necessary now to endorse Justice Gray’s views over those of dissenting Chief Justice Fuller, or vice versa.”

http://www.lawandfreedom.com/site/constitutional/Rudy%20v%20Lee%20USJF%20Amicus%20Brief.pdf

Lucius Boggs
Reply to  Sharon Rondeau
Wednesday, March 8, 2023 5:35 PM

I’m confused in your previous article was this statment:

“In an undated lecture, the late constitutional attorney, author, scholar and former Constitution Party vice-presidential candidate Herb Titus, citing Federalist 68”

The word “citing” is a link to a Vimeo video of Dr. Titus winning an award from the Institute on the Constitution and explaining the meaning of natural born citizen.

Should that be a video of Mario Apuzzo?

I copied and pasted the URL from the Vimeo but I guess they don’t link that.

Nikita's_UN_Shoe
Reply to  Lucius Boggs
Wednesday, March 8, 2023 5:22 PM

You missed your opportunity to question Dr. Herb Titus about his opinion on who can be a natural born Citizen while he was still alive.

When you stray from the Law of Nations definition of a natural born Citizen written by Vattel of which the Founding Framers consulted in penning the US Constitution on many matters, you end up confusing yourself and others by trying to convince the world that there are many possibilities of deciding what constitutes a natural born Citizen other than a person born in the country to two citizen parents of that country. That’s as NATURAL as it gets. Don’t get stuck in STATUTORY.

Nikita's_UN_Shoe
Wednesday, March 8, 2023 1:05 PM

Opinion:
Both Nikki Haley and Vivek Ramaswamy were born with dual national loyalties – (a.) India [parents (blood)] and (b.) U.S.A. [native (soil)]; therefore, both are not natural born Citizens. You can only be a natural born Citizen, if applicable, of one country, not two or more.

When it comes to citizenship, most authorities wrongly interpret the 14th Amendment two ways:
First, birth alone on U.S.A. soil does not make one a STATUTORY (by lawful authority) U.S.A. citizen, because most everyone ignores the phrase: “……, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof.” If a newborn person is born on U.S.A. soil, one of the 50 states/Washington, D.C., to parents who are both non-U.S.A. citizens, whether these parents are in the U.S.A. legally or illegally, then that newborn is not subject to the COMPLETE jurisdiction of the U.S.A., because the newborn is subject to the jurisdiction of the country of the two non-U.S.A. citizen parents.

Second, birth alone on U.S.A. soil does not make one a natural born Citizen, clearly obfuscating the phrase “citizen at birth”, which also is applied to birth outside the 50 states/Washington, D.C. to a minimum of one U.S.A. citizen parent. Hello, Cruz. Besides, the only mention of “natural born Citizen” in any legal U.S.A. documentation is found in Article II of the U.S. Constitution and certainly is not found anywhere within the 14th Amendment nor in any current U.S.A. immigration/citizenship laws.

Both parents must be U.S.A. citizens at the time of an newborn’s birth on U.S.A. soil (50 States/Washington, D.C.) in order for the newborn to be a natural born Citizen.

Obama, Harris, Cruz, Rubio, Jindal, Gabbard, Haley, Ramaswamy, and McCain are/were unqualified Article II candidates and are/were nothing more than STATUTORY (by law) U.S.A. citizens. A natural born Citizen is a citizen by the law of nature – the natural act of being born in the country to two citizen parents of that country.

Summary: I believe that the Founding Framers of the U.S.A. Constitution ruled out dual loyalties when they added/included the natural born Citizen provision into Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 of the U.S. Constitution.

My next opinionated dissertation will be on the citizenship of American Indians, aka native Americans, at a future time.

RL
Reply to  Nikita's_UN_Shoe
Thursday, September 14, 2023 3:26 PM

Obamas mother was a us citizen. Trump was the first to call out his citizenship Why had he not called out
Hailey and Ramaswamy?