by Sharon Rondeau

(May 25, 2019) — Upon his return to the U.S. from a trip to Israel, on the May 24 edition of “Freedom Friday,” host Carl Gallups spoke with Obama birth certificate lead investigator Mike Zullo about President Trump’s authorizing of Attorney General William Barr to declassify documents associated with the now-concluded “Russia” investigation.

The probe, assumed from the FBI in May 2018 by Special Counsel Robert Mueller, probed the allegation that someone within the Trump campaign “colluded” with Kremlin operatives to gain an election advantage in 2016.  After 22 months, Mueller’s team found the allegation unsubstantiated, raising the question as to the basis upon which the FBI launched its counterintelligence investigation into the campaign in 2016.

The “Mueller” investigation found, however, that Russian operatives interfered in the U.S. election with disinformation campaigns, rallies and fake Twitter accounts, and the special counsel’s office issued approximately 30 indictments against those individuals and entities.  One is fighting the charges in the U.S. courts. Six Americans were indicted, with one yet to face trial and the others accepting plea deals.

One-time Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort is serving an 8½-year prison sentence for convictions on eight federal crimes not associated with Russian “collusion.”

The podcast of Friday night’s show is here:

After his opening remarks about the wildfires currently raging in Tel Aviv, Gallups quoted from a May 21 article by Aaron Klein at Breitbart titled, “Spygate: Obama Admin Cut Situation Room’s Video Feed During Meetings on Russia Investigation.”

Klein reported, with Gallups reading from the article:

Deep inside a 7,700-plus word Washington Post article published June 23, 2017, the newspaper detailed the highly compartmentalized nature of the original Russia interference investigation and the manner in which other U.S. intelligence agencies were deliberately kept in the dark.

According to the newspaper, in the summer of 2016, CIA Director John Brennan convened a “secret task force at CIA headquarters composed of several dozen analysts and officers from the CIA, the NSA and the FBI.”

The Post described the unit as so secretive it functioned as a “sealed compartment” hidden even from the rest of the U.S. intelligence community; a unit whose workers were all made to sign additional non-disclosure forms.

The article goes on to quote from The Post that then-Vice President Joe Biden, now a 2020 presidential candidate, was eventually involved in the secretive meetings.  Initially, participation was limited to four Obama officials, The Post reported:  then-CIA Director John Brennan; Attorney General Loretta Lynch; FBI Director James Comey, and Director of National Intelligence James Clapper.

“Gradually, the circle widened to include Vice President Biden and others. Agendas sent to Cabinet secretaries — including John F. Kerry at the State Department and Ashton B. Carter at the Pentagon — arrived in envelopes that subordinates were not supposed to open. Sometimes the agendas were withheld until participants had taken their seats in the Situation Room,” Klein further quoted from The Post‘s article of nearly two years ago.

“If Vice President Biden was a part of that circle, I guarantee you President Barack Obama was, and that’s what the ‘and others’ means,” Gallups told Zullo.  “This article is just infuriating to me, but it should not surprise you and me and our audience” (8:40 in podcast).

Zullo conducted a 5+-year investigation into the image posted at in April 2011 said to be a scan of a certified copy of Obama’s “long-form” birth certificate.  At a third and final press conference in December 2016, Zullo detailed his findings that elements from a real, paper Hawaii birth certificate were lifted electronically to produce the “computer-generated forgery.”

In response to Gallups’s statement about Biden and Obama, Zullo said he believes it is “a logical conclusion” that Michelle Obama and then-Obama senior adviser Valerie Jarrett “would know about situations like this…”

Zullo then expounded on a statement he made on a prior the show that “I really believe that all roads are going to lead back to John Brennan,” a conclusion he said he reached from having conducted the birth certificate probe and a subsequent investigation by the Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office (MCSO) into allegations of illegal spying on American citizens by former CIA and NSA contractor Dennis Montgomery.

Further to that, Zullo said, “The CIA operates overseas. John Brennan was director of the CIA at that time.  If you’re going to set up an operation, you have to develop information abroad and bring it back to authorities in the United States, i.e., the FBI, to get any type of investigation conducted.”

Referring to the Russia “dossier” authored by former British intelligence agent Christopher Steele used to obtain surveillance warrants on a Trump campaign adviser without its having been verified, Zullo continued:  “If you were going to do something to set up the President of the United States, and you were the head of an agency that could not work internally, cannot work within the borders of the United States…you develop information outside the borders; now it’s your legal obligation to bring the information inside the borders, and that opens the door for the FBI and the NSA to start playing their games.”

He said that the four aforementioned Obama officials initially said to have attended the secret meetings — Lynch, Brennan, Clapper and Comey — “were all involved with that computer system called ‘The Hammer‘ that we disclosed on your show years ago all the way back to the year 2000, 2001 and forward.”

Zullo said Montgomery developed the software for “The Hammer” used to breach “computer systems across the globe” (11:35) and that Montgomery told him that eventually, “there came a point in time you couldn’t tell who was FBI, CIA or NSA; they were all doing the same thing.”

“This is all going to go right back — you want to know the ‘Deep State?’ It was CIA, NSA, FBI,” Zullo said, agreeing with Gallups’s earlier opinion that U.S. intelligence agencies attempted to carry out “a coup” against Trump.

Referring to recent public statements by Comey alleging no wrongdoing by the agency he led, Zullo, a former detective, said, “This is what’s really great about this:  you’re watching as investigators in law enforcement would be conducting interviews and you’re seeing everybody start to point fingers, recant statements, make up new stories…”

Trump fired Comey in May 2017, setting off an “obstruction of justice” investigation by then-FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe and incorporated into Mueller’s tasking.  On that point, the Mueller team declined to issue a finding.

Zullosaid that those who led U.S. intelligence agencies under Obama are making statements which cannot be corroborated.  “They are desperately trying to cover up their misdeeds,” he said, and therefore attempting to paint Trump as “a liar and a criminal.”

As for Trump’s announcement Thursday night that he is authorizing “declassification” of what Trump said will be all the “Russia” documentation, Zullo said the congressional “Gang of Eight” who were advised of the contents of the classified material “already know what’s in there.  So you’re going to have this cascade of information that this is all going to unravel, and when you have Obama disconnecting cameras or recording devices while they have a private meeting about a certain topic, that only tells you one thing:  everybody’s up to no good, and nobody wanted any evidence of it” (13:50).

“And I think somebody’s going to flip very soon,” Gallups, a former Florida deputy sheriff, responded, “because this is serious stuff.  This could go to the level of treason…” which he said could lead to “life imprisonment” or “the death penalty.”

Echoing a question raised by a number of commentators and congressmen recently, Zullo asked of Mueller, “When did he know there was no Russian collusion?  Let’s say he did know early on.  My question is:  why isn’t he going to be charged under (18) US (Code) 18 with defrauding the United States government?”

Zullo said he believes Mueller was “handpicked” for his “special counsel” mission.  “He knows everything that they were doing,” in the way of surveillance on American citizens, Zullo said, given that Mueller was FBI director between 2001 and 2013.  “He’s the guy they hired to investigate Trump knowing he cannot go back in time without implicating himself.  Also, he was the bag boy, if memory serves, with Uranium One.”

In February, John Solomon of The Hill reported:

Robert Mueller, the former FBI director and current special prosecutor in the Russia case, once was hauled before the nation’s secret intelligence court to address a large number of instances in which the FBI cheated on sensitive surveillance warrants, according to evidence gathered by congressional investigators.

For most of the past 16 years, Mueller’s closed-door encounter escaped public notice because of the secrecy of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISC).

Zullo then said, “Everybody forgets:  the first FISA application the FBI tried to get specifically named ‘Donald J. Trump,’ and the judge said ‘No.’  They had to go back a second time; they had to omit him as one of the targets.  So what did they do?  They start reaching out to people that are in contact with the campaign, and then it’s like dominoes; eventually one of your targets talks to Trump, and then it opens up on Trump. It’s all collateral.”

He opined that Mueller was “the perfect guy to try to try to avoid the minefield and not look at things.”

Gallups then observed that it is “no wonder” that Mueller has reportedly declined to testify publicly to Congress about the Trump-Russia investigation.

Later, Gallups said that the “birth certificate investigation is tied directly to all of this.”




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