AG TOM HORNE COULD THEN TAKE IT TO THE U.S. SUPREME COURT
by MinutemanCDC_SC
(Nov. 3, 2011) — The Supreme Court is the only court of competent jurisdiction over the State of Hawaii to which Sheriff Joe has access.
On November 2, 2011, ThePaidTroll wrote to Mrs. Sharon Rondeau at The Post & Email:
According to [Tuesday’s] WND, Sheriff Arpaio”s Posse has determined that in order to come to any conclusion, they must first obtain Obama’s original Birth Certificate or a Certified copy from the State of Hawaii.
Since Hawaii will not release the Birth Certificates of any of its citizens without the permission of the birth subject and since neither Sheriff Arpaio nor his posse have [any] authority whatsoever to force Hawaii to release Obama’s Birth Certificate, what WND is saying is that Sheriff Arpaio’s investigation is dead in the water.
Knowing this, what real difference other than making you feel better are you claiming that will be served by having Sheriff Huston go through the same process and come to the same conclusion?
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Mrs. Sharon Rondeau replies: There is a Hawaii statute which grants permission to any law enforcement officer in the country requesting documents in the course of a criminal investigation: http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/session2007/bills/sb1326_sd1_.pdf
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ThePaidTroll replies: The statute that you are referring to that amends Section 338-18, Hawaii Revised Statutes to authorize the Hawaii department of health to provide certain public health records to law enforcement officers to facilitate criminal investigations is Hawaii State Senate Bill 1237.
However, if you read section 3 of the bill [as amended, but not yet passed] you will discover that it does not take effect until July 1st of the year 2050.
Pursuant to current Hawaii law, Hawaii will not release the Birth Certificates of any of its birth subjects without the express permission of the birth subject absent a court order [from a court of competent jurisdiction, that is (there being no Honolulu Municipal Court), the State of Hawai’i Circuit Court for O’ahu, the Hawai’i Intermediate Court of Appeals, the Hawai’i Supreme Court ( Chief Justice Mark E. Recktenwald), the U.S. District Court for the District of Hawai’i (Chief Judge Susan Oki Mollway), the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 9th Circuit (Chief Judge Alex Kozinski), or the U.S. Supreme Court (Chief Justice John Roberts)].
So far, no Hawaii Court or US Federal court has issued such an order and there is no indication that any court intends to issue such an order to allow Sheriff Arpaio or any other law enforcement officer access to the Birth Certificate.
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I don’t know who is right about the above. SB 1237, S.D. 1, has not yet passed and is of no effect, as for now. For the current session,
THE SENATE
TWENTY-SIXTH LEGISLATURE, 2011
STATE OF HAWAII,
there are two almost identical versions of SB1237:
Friday, January 28, 2011 4:08 PM 15779 SB1237_.htm which states,
“SECTION 3. This Act shall take effect upon its approval.”
Tuesday, February 15, 2011 2:40 PM 13826 SB1237_SD1_.HTM which states,
“SECTION 3. This Act shall take effect on July 1, 2050.”
SB1237, S.D. 1, as amended, is otherwise identical to the original SB1237.This change in the date of effect was made in committee as follows:
“Your Committees on Health and Public Safety, Government Operations, and Military Affairs, to which was referred S.B. No. 1237 entitled:
‘A BILL FOR AN ACT RELATING TO THE DISCLOSURE OF VITAL STATISTICS RECORDS TO LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS,’
have amended this measure by:
(1) Inserting an effective date of July 1, 2050, to allow for further discussion of this measure;”
http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/session2011/CommReports/SB1237_SD1_SSCR236_.HTM
The change from “upon its approval” to “on July 1, 2050,” was signed by SEN. WILL ESPERO, Chair, Committee on Public Safety, Government Operations, and Military Affairs (PGM), and SEN. JOSH GREEN, M.D., Chair, Committee on Health (HTH), and voted “aye” by Senators Espero, Kidani, Baker, Ryan, and Slom of the PGM Committee: http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/measure_indiv.aspx?billtype=SB&billnumber=1237
On Feb. 16, 2011, the Hawaii Senate passed the second reading of SB 1237, S.D. 1, and referred it to the Committee on Judiciary and Labor (JDL):
Senator Clayton Hee, Chair, and
Senator Maile S.L. Shimabukuro, Vice Chair,
where it now rests until the Senate convenes for the next session.
(The Hawaii Legislature adjourned sine die on May 5, 2011.)
The current statutes show no such amendment, because it is still in committee.
For the foreseeable future, the governing statute will continue to be H.R..S. § 338-18, which reads (in part):
(b) The department shall not permit inspection of public health statistics records, or issue a certified copy of any such record or part thereof, unless it is satisfied that the applicant has a direct and tangible interest in the record. The following persons shall be considered to have a direct and tangible interest in a public health statistics record:
(9) A person whose right to inspect or obtain a certified copy of the record is established by an order of a court of competent jurisdiction;
(g) The department shall not issue a verification in lieu of a certified copy of any such record, or any part thereof, unless it is satisfied that the applicant requesting a verification is:
(1) A person who has a direct and tangible interest in the record but requests a verification in lieu of a certified copy;
(2) A governmental agency or organization who for a legitimate government purpose maintains and needs to update official lists of persons in the ordinary course of the agency’s or organization’s activities;
(3) A governmental, private, social, or educational agency or organization who seeks confirmation of a certified copy of any such record submitted in support of or information provided about a vital event relating to any such record and contained in an official application made in the ordinary course of the agency’s or organization’s activities by an individual seeking employment with, entrance to, or the services or products of the agency or organization;
(4) A private or government attorney who seeks to confirm information about a vital event relating to any such record which was acquired during the course of or for purposes of legal proceedings; or
(5) An individual employed, endorsed, or sponsored by a governmental, private, social, or educational agency or organization who seeks to confirm information about a vital event relating to any such record in preparation of reports or publications by the agency or organization for research or educational purposes. [L 1949, c 327, §22; RL 1955, §57-21; am L Sp 1959 2d, c 1, §19; am L 1967, c 30, §2; HRS §338-18; am L 1977, c 118, §1; am L 1991, c 190, §1; am L 1997, c 305, §5; am L 2001, c 246, §2]
http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol06_Ch0321-0344/HRS0338/HRS_0338-0018.htm
Of course, when government authorities simply rule according to whatever the powers that be tell them to do, it is the height of folly to imagine that those authorities govern by laws and statutes, except for the law of the jungle.”
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Editor’s Note: Information about Arizona Attorney General Tom Horne can be found here.
Sheriff Joe has a number of options available to him. Backing up any action he may choose to take is misprision of felony against anyone he informs of a crime that refuses to take action upon it. He could present evidence to a District Judge and request a bill of indictment. If the Judge wishes to commit misprision of felony, then take the evidence to a Grand Jury and request a presentment. He could take the evidence before his County Commissioners or to the Election Judge. He could petition the State Election Commission, Attorney General and/or Secretary of State. He could also present the evidence to other sheriffs and build a coalition. He has evidence indicating at the very least that fraud may have occurred. A grand jury has the power to investigate anything they choose where they suspect a crime was committed in their jurisdiction without the permission of judge or D.A. They have complete subpoena power. Perhaps the election in their county could be nullified. A formal presentment would be hard to ignore for even the Secretary of State.
I wouldn’t put it past Obama and the other mob criminals to have planned this all along, to say his birthplace was Hawaii, because they knew how difficult it would be to get documentation released…because there isn’t any to prove there is or isn’t.
Nevertheless, based on this, he should be removed from office. This is the most outrageous circus I’ve ever witnessed in this country or any country for that matter.
@BobSR
I was thinking the same thing, 38 years is a long way off, things change. And what would be the purpose of voting on something that won’t happen till after they’re all dead? Is there a clause that states “no change backs”? Or, “Surprise”?
Without certifiable proof of Obama’s eligibility (we all know that there is none), then the only way that Sheriff Joe can protect the rights of his citizens is to make sure that Barry’s name is not on the ballot in Maricopa County.
That will lead to much wailing and whining and gnashing of teeth, as to how they will put his name on the ballot in all the other 14 counties – and not Maricopa. It is a ‘discussion’ that we all welcome; one that should get the ball rolling in many other jurisdictions.
It’s publicity and discovery and public awareness that we seek. Once the ‘cover-up’ is exposed, this house of cards should come tumbling down:
King Husseiny Obamasy stood tall on his wall;
King Husseiny Obamasy had a great fall;
And all the King’s horses and all the King’s men;
Will never put Obamasy back together again!
There is a preponderance of proof and evidence that says Obama is a usurper beginning with the seventh United States Supreme Court Chief Justice Morrison R. Waite, who in the 1874 SCOTUS case of Minor v. Happersett, provides the original meaning of America’s Founding Fathers Natural Born Citizen clause.
As of now, and until now, the words of this United States Supreme Court Chief Justice have been treated with a callous and treasonous disrespect by this government and the MSM and WE THE PEOPLE! Do you hear the name Morrison R. Waite being mentioned on the news today? No, you do not!
WE THE PEOPLE are the ultimate guardians of the Constitution of the United States of America. And yet WE THE PEOPLE seem incapacitated to be able to convince the rest of America that this government and the MSM are cohorts in a act of Constitutional Treason towards the U.S. Constitution and WE THE PEOPLE.
I’m starting to think that WE THE PEOPLE no longer care about the preservation of our own freedom and now much rather prefer entrapped in a state of slavery with a despotic government and a corrupt MSM as the new leaders because after three years of this nonsense it is safe to say that WE THE PEOPLE have failed to make significant progress in exposing this Constitutional Crime of the Century to the rest of the world!
WE THE PEOPLE, THE ULTIMATE GUARDIANS OF THE U.S. CONSTITUTION, HAVE DELIBERATELY FAILED THE CONSTITUTION of the UNITED STATES of AMERICA AND OURSELVES!
The county jurisdiction for state election ballot names is still on. Since the story broke of the illegal Indiana ballot forged signatures (does barry do anything without forging) the thrust in AZ and other states will keep barry soetero off the ballots whether Hawaii remains criminal in there obfuscation or not.
If any state has no proof of candidates’ qualifications to be on the ballot the county sheriff can pursue investigations of voter fraud. Multiply that by thousands of districts that now realize we have a fraud usurping the office.
The arrest factor to confirm the fraud of barry soetero does not have to be the birth record. Other facts apart from the forged birth record are coming together. Justice will be served although a different kind of justice than barry talks about in deconstruction mode.
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“However, if you read section 3 of the bill [as amended, but not yet passed] you will discover that it does not take effect until July 1st of the year 2050.”
Does this mean they have calculated Obama’s probable life span and concluded it will be OK for the law to take effect in 2050?
How absurd to consider passing any kind of law and not have it take effect for 38 years.
Obama does not want anyone to know Malcolm X is his biological dad until after he is dead.
Malcom X, possibly being Barry’s father, is a thought I’ve had myself.