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Update: Breaking from Hawaii: No More Long-Form Birth Certificates!

HAWAII DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH MAKES UP THE RULES AS IT GOES ALONG…TO PRISON?

by Sharon Rondeau

What is the Hawaii Department of Health hiding? Have they told so many lies that they are now cornered?

(Apr. 12, 2011) Miki Booth has just reported via telephone to The Post & Email that a man born and currently residing in Hawaii went to the Department of Health this morning and requested a copy of his long-form birth certificate.  He was refused, told that it was no longer available and that all he could obtain is the short-form document.

The man had obtained his short-form “Certificate of Live Birth” several weeks ago and reported to Miki that the request form had had two different boxes which could be checked:  one indicating that the short-form was being requested and the other that the long-form was desired.

Today, the man reported that the form has been changed such that that choice is no longer available.

The Hawaii Department of Health’s online request form for a birth certificate is here.

The Department of Hawaiian Home Lands appears to be lying when it announced that it began “accepting” a “Certification of Live Birth” as proof of genealogy in 2009.  It claimed that “When a request is made for a copy of a birth certificate, the DOH issues a Certification of Live Birth.”  However, the documents which both the man and another requester in Hawaii have obtained this year, after the Department of Hawaiian Home Lands changed its policy, bear the label “Certificate of Live Birth.”

Directly preceding the claim that the “Certification” is the document now issued, the Department of Hawaiian Home Lands stated that “original birth certificates are preferred for their greater detail…”  How can a person provide the “preferred” document when the department claimed that it no longer issued them?  It has been proven that the Hawaii Department of Health did issue long-form Certificates of Live Birth until Dr. Fukino made her statement to MSNBC.

The short-form document which the man received was labeled “Certificate of Live Birth,” unlike Obama’s purported form which is a “Certification of Live Birth.”  Likewise, Miki Booth’s son, Alan, had received a short-form birth certificate last year entitled “Certificate of Live Birth.”  The man who obtained his short-form document said that it does not contain the fields for “Father’s Place of Birth” and “Mother’s Place of Birth” as Alan Booth’s does.

Could that be because Obama’s Certification of Live Birth image does not contain those fields, and the Hawaii Department of Health is attempting to legitimize it?

Therefore, when Dr. Chiyome Fukino spoke with MSNBC on Monday morning, she apparently was not lying when she said that long-form birth certificates are no longer available.

But why was that change made?  Who ordered the change in policy?  Was it made because Donald Trump has demanded that Obama release his original, detailed birth certificate to support his claim of a Hawaii birth?

The witness who accompanied the gentleman has a daughter who obtained a copy of her long-form birth certificate last month.  The document was provided to Miki Booth, who supplied it to The Post & Email here.  Booth has reported that the woman has Fed-Exxed the original of the document to her.

On April 11, 2011, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, former director of the Hawaii Department of Health, told MSNBC that long-form birth certificates were no longer available.  But when did that become policy?  Who ordered this change in policy since at least one such form was issued to a requester last month and posted here?

2:47 p.m. EDT:  The Post & Email has left a message with Dr. Alvin Onaka, Registrar of Vital Statistics at the Hawaii Department of Health, requesting the documentation making long-form birth certificates unavailable to those born in the state.  We also contacted Gov. Neil Abercrombie’s office and asked the secretary why suddenly Hawaii residents can no longer have access to their original birth record.  She asked this writer my name and where I was calling from, which I gave her.  She then interrupted me and transferred me to the governor’s spokesperson, Ms. Donalyn Delacruz, with whom we left a voice message with our phone number and email address.

While Dr. Fukino claimed in her interview with MSNBC that she has seen Obama’s original vital record, Gov. Abercrombie has stated that one does not exist.  Why was Fukino inspecting Obama’s alleged record if it is against the law and the document doesn’t exist?  Or did it exist when she was Health Department Director and now it has disappeared since Abercrombie took office?

Last night, Donald Trump was interviewed by Greta Van Susteren and said, “If he (Obama) had a birth certificate, I think he’d produce it.”

Obama adviser David Plouffe called Trump’s questioning of the existence of Obama’s birth certificate “a sideshow.”

What are the Hawaii officials hiding, why, and how many will pay a price?  What is Obama hiding?

3:24 p.m. EDT:  The following email was sent to Donalyn Delacruz, to whom this writer was referred after reaching Gov. Abercrombie’s secretary:

From:  Sharon Rondeau
Sent:  Tue 4/12/11 3:23 PM
To:  donalyn.delacruz@hawaii.gov
RE:  CHANGE OF POLICY AT THE HAWAII DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH‏

Mahalo.  I operate an online newspaper, The Post & Email, and we have been investigating corruption in your state and all over the country for the last 20 months.

A resident of Hawaii went to the Health Department this morning and filled out the request form for a copy of his long-form birth certificate.  The man was told he can no longer obtain one.

When did this policy change, and where is the documentation?  Why would someone be refused a copy of his original vital record?  I have one of mine.

I left a message with your office last week which was not answered, before Dr. Chiyome Fukino told MSNBC yesterday that long-form birth certificates are no longer available.

Your governor has stated that Obama has no long-form birth certificate, although the previous governor said that he did.  In fact, Dr. Fukino said she had seen it twice, in violation of state law.  Also discussing what was in the birth record is a violation of your law.

Can you tell me what is going on?  Has the policy been changed to protect Obama?  Why did Governor Lingle say that Obama had an original vital record but Governor Abercrombie says he doesn’t?  Was it made to disappear, or, as former Elections Clerk Tim Adams has stated, did one never exist?

What are officials in Hawaii hiding from the American people, and why?

Thank you.

Sharon Rondeau
Editor
The Post & Email, Inc.
www.thepostemail.com
editor@thepostemail.com

An excerpt from a report given to us by a researcher who traveled to Hawaii last summer, funded in part by The Post & Email’s Legal Fund, states:

MRS. RONDEAU: There have been reports and affidavits signed by licensed investigators that Obama is using a social security number that had been previously assigned to someone, and the Social Security Administration has been quoted as having said that numbers are never reassigned. And now your research raises the question as to whether or not his certificate number could have previously been assigned.

RESEARCHER: Yes, we’re trying to ascertain to whom it may have been actually assigned and explore the possibility of obtaining a certified copy of the long-form birth certificate which, contrary to what has been reported, the DoH still issues. I don’t know where I’ve seen the statement supporting the Department of Health’s contention that it now issues only a Certificate of Live Birth, but it’s not true. When I was at the Department of Health, I observed a woman who was directly in front of me in line order a copy of her long-form birth certificate. She was told that it would take about a week to obtain. She made arrangements to pick it up at the DoH office in lieu of having it mailed to her since she worked across the street.

The Hawaii Department of Health’s website has an online application form to request “certified copies” of vital records.

The Post & Email has reported previously that the Hawaii Department of Health has lied about birth index data and verbally changed the rules as events unfolded in regard to Obama.  No one from the department has ever refuted our claims, and they will not return our calls.

11:20 p.m. EDT:  None of our calls to Hawaii has been returned.

 

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69 Responses to Update: Breaking from Hawaii: No More Long-Form Birth Certificates!

  1. Bill

    Friday, April 22, 2011 at 2:36 PM

    Hire Trump to bump obummer, then let him CEO this country back to Health. I loved his 25% tax idea on China imports. If the RNC wont take him serious I am sure anyone with common sense will.

  2. gaim

    Thursday, April 21, 2011 at 11:23 PM

    True, they no longer issue if requested in the normal manner. That does not mean the original longform is not on file. They are playing semantics when talking about issuing Certificates of Live Birth. That is not the point here. The point is having access to the longform that is on file. This talk about what the department now issues or does not issue is a red herring. They are being misleading if they insist that the DOH doesn’t have copies of the longform and those copies cannot be accessed.

    From the Hawaii Revised Statutes:

    92-31 Disposition of original record. A photograph, microphotograph, reproduction on film, or electronic form of a government record shall be placed in conveniently accessible files and provisions made for preserving, examining, and using the same. Thereafter, a public officer, after having first received the written approval of the comptroller as provided in section 94-3, may cause such record, paper, or document to be destroyed. The comptroller may require, as a prerequisite to the granting of such approval, that a reproduction or print of such photograph, microphotograph, or reproduction on film, or electronic form of the record be delivered into the custody of the public archives for safekeeping. The comptroller may also require the delivery into the custody of another governmental department or agency or a research library of any such record, paper, or document proposed to be destroyed under the provisions of this section.

    So, either the original microfiche copy is still available or a complete reproduction of it in electronic form is available. To put something in electronic form and not copy all the data on the original document would be against the law. Where these files have to be accessible and provisions have to be made for examining them, it would be misleading for the Department of Health to say that the information on the original Certificate of Live Birth is no longer available. Under Hawaii Revised Statutes 338-18, those with a direct and tangible interest in the record are permitted inspection of public health statistics records. That would include either the microfiche or electronic copy of the original Certificate of Live Birth

    Plus from the Homelands Department site:

    The state Department of Health, the state Archives, and the state Bureau of Conveyances are just a few places where you can look for and obtain primary and secondary documents. Certified copies of records can be obtained for a fee.

    How do they define primary documents?

    Birth certificates (Certificates of Live Birth and Certifications of Live Birth) and Certificates of Hawaiian Birth are the primary documents used to determine native Hawaiian qualification

    So, from the above , you should still – by law- be able to get a certified copy of the Certificate of Live Birth. I don’t recall the legislature ever repealing 92-31 or 338-18
    ———————
    Mrs. Rondeau replies: I left a message last week with Dr. Alvin Onaka, Registrar at the Department of Health, stating exactly that and asking when the legislature passed a law stating that a copy of an original birth certificate is not available to the public. I have been told by someone who spoke to HI Sen. Sam Slom that the DOH is being “selective” as to who obtains a copy of an original and who does not. That, of course, is against the law. The law says “any government record.” Anyone denied access can appeal to the Office of Information Practices, and, if denied, file a lawsuit.

  3. A.

    Friday, April 15, 2011 at 5:27 PM

    Every record imaginable has been meticulously “sealed” and hidden by the liar Obama– here is the list:
    1. Certified copy of original U.S. Long Form birth certificate
    2. Columbia University transcripts
    3. Columbia thesis paper
    4. Campaign donor analysis requested by 7 major watchdog groups
    5. Harvard University transcripts.
    6. Illinois State Senate records limited access.
    7. Illinois State Senate schedule limited access.
    8. Law practice client list and billing records/summary
    9. Locations and names of all half-siblings and step-mother
    10. Medical records (only the one page summary released so far)
    11. Occidental College Transcripts hidden.
    12. Parent’s marriage Certificate – does not exist
    13. Record of baptism
    14 Selective Service registration records
    15. Did Obama Actually Register for Selective Service?
    16. Schedules for trips outside of the United States before 2007
    17. Passport records for all passports
    18. Scholarly articles
    19. SAT and LSAT test scores
    20. Access to his grandmother in Kenya
    21. List of all campaign workers that are lobbyists
    22. Punahou grade school records
    23/ Noelani Kindergarten records are oddly missing from the the State of Hawaii Department of Education.
    24. Obama 1964 Divorce Papers – 13 Pages – Missing Pg 11
    25. Why isn’t Barack Obama still a member of the Illinois bar and where are all of the relevant documents?
    26. Why isn’t Michelle Obama still a member of the Illinois bar, after only about four years of practice, and where are all of the relevant documents?
    27. Was Obama working for the C.I.A. and if so, where are those records?

  4. Bob1943

    Thursday, April 14, 2011 at 6:30 PM

    The Jack Maskell Congressional Research Memorandum was the result of many phone calls to my Senator’s office. I kept asking the staff people where they were getting the information in the form letters that were sending me telling me everything was A-OK with Obama’s eligibility. After a few months of occasional calls on Obama’s eligibility, one of the staffers I was talking with said he would try to send me some information. A couple of weeks later this 14-page document arrived in the mail. I glanced at it and tossed it aside. Picked it up again the next day and read the first couple of pages which state in no uncertain terms that there is absolutely NO vetting required of presidential candidates, either at the federal or state level.

    I thought that was a stunning admission of what I already suspected, and the document should be available on the net. I sent a copy to some folks who were very interested in this document and by the next day it had gone viral on the Internet. Congress had this information from April 2009, but they had already messed up America by not objecting to Obama’s lack of eligibility in January 09, or, of course, much sooner. Their pesky constituents keep calling them and asking how Obama could be eligible. So, the leaders of CONgress ask their research arm to come up with a reference document. Of course the document had to say what it had to say or it was not acceptable. Congress was not supposed to release the information to the public, and they didn’t until it was “leaked” more than a year later. If you read the entire document you can easily see why they didn’t want to release it.

    Still, it’s the crutch they are using today when the talk to their constituents, hoping I suppose that sticking to the “script” they have been provided will keep them out of trouble when the stuff really hits the fan.

  5. RacerJim

    Thursday, April 14, 2011 at 3:02 PM

    Interesting deduction Sally Hill…very interesting deduction! :-)

  6. Sally Hill

    Thursday, April 14, 2011 at 8:55 AM

    I guess this blows factcheck.org out of the water then.

    Since Wisch, the spokesman for the attorney general’s office, said state law does not in fact permit the release of “vital records,” including an original “record of live birth” — even to the individual whose birth it records. “It’s a Department of Health record and it can’t be released to anybody,” he said. Nor do state laws have any provision that authorizes such records to be photocopied.

    If it can’t be photocopied – what in the world did they personally hold, touch, and take a picture of? I certainly wasn’t his birth-certificate according to Wisch!

    Trying to cover up original lies, creates more lies, thus creating more opportunities to be caught in those lies upon lies. I’m starting to think the cover up could be the way to crack the case!

  7. Stock

    Wednesday, April 13, 2011 at 9:12 PM

    Everyone should check out the Jack Maskell Memorandum-it is an important document and explains how those 535 who voted without objection in Jan 09 excused themselves from having to adhere to the Constitution. Jack Maskell was the staff attorney for the Congressional Research Service-he screwed America single handedly-by providing an excuse-see the info at: bobmccarty.com/2010/11/25/understanding-the-jack-maskell-memorandum. Spread the word.

  8. THINK

    Wednesday, April 13, 2011 at 12:12 PM

    I agree. As was the case with Watergate, the way to go about this is not pursuing the underlying act but the coverup. Focus should be brought to bear on the Department of Health in Hawaii. If Trump could focus, for now, solely on the inconsistent statements and apparent acts of these officials in regards to providing citizens with a long form certificate of birth, this thing will build momentum. A lawsuit compelling production of the long form birth certificate for some other individual would absolutely help this cause.

  9. Harry H

    Wednesday, April 13, 2011 at 11:55 AM

    I agree with Bob Porrazzo’s comment that Hawaii should never have been made a state, and I support independence for Hawaii. Don’t know the technicalities involved in rescinding statehood, but Hawaii is not united to America by geography or culture and should be set free. It can take its fraudulent favorite son with it.

  10. AuntieMadder

    Wednesday, April 13, 2011 at 11:01 AM

    Good job, Researcher. Keep ‘em honest (as much as you can, anyway).

  11. Donna

    Wednesday, April 13, 2011 at 9:54 AM

    I believe this is ONE of the reasons he is being allowed to destroy our country-I remember watching on tv when Hawaii becoming a state was voted on-most Hawaiians stayed home-would not vote for it—- Bamboozled??????

  12. Reseacher

    Wednesday, April 13, 2011 at 8:33 AM

    The HDoH has the all the orignal BCs in their possession. As I understand it, only the indexes from the early 20th century are available on microfiche at the HI State Library and U of H. See:

    http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/vital-records/genealogy.html

  13. Reseacher

    Wednesday, April 13, 2011 at 8:20 AM

    Thanks Sharon.

    I suggest that anyone including the gentleman who was refused remind the HDoH that unless the HI Legislature has passed a law that in effect revises HRS 338-13, the HDoH cannot deny access to the original BC. The gentleman should immediately appeal to the HI OIP and at least get a formal opinion one way or another.

  14. Alice

    Wednesday, April 13, 2011 at 7:52 AM

    This is a very IMPORTANT POINT——-I was married in Hawaii when Obama was just 6 years old.

    I have a long form copy of the marriage certificate in great detail issued at that time. When my husband died in the 1990′s I obtained a long form copy of the marriage certificate actually about 20 copies.

    If I could obtain a long form certificate of my marriage when Mr. Obama was a mere child of 6 then certainly Mr. Obama has a long form copy of his birth certificate .

    Mr. Obama produce that birth certificate—–I’ll show you my marriage certificate if you show me your birth certificate.

  15. SallyAl

    Wednesday, April 13, 2011 at 7:50 AM

    Bill says the state of Hawaii says he was born there. So there, that settles it. What an idiot. I knew watching would be a waste of time but that hit the bottom of the barrel. Whatever happened to “the best investigative team in the business”?

  16. Bob Porrazzo

    Wednesday, April 13, 2011 at 5:32 AM

    Folks, if I may inject something here…Hawaii shouldn’t even be the 50th state…

    http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/HAWAII/hawaii.html?q=HAWAII/hawaii.html

  17. MichaelN

    Wednesday, April 13, 2011 at 4:31 AM

    No. 3 here …
    http://travel.state.gov/passport/get/first/first_830.html#step3first

    “Please note, some short (abstract) versions of birth certificates may NOT be acceptable for passport purposes.”

    Important to note that the supporting documents required when applying for a passport are EVIDENCE and not necessarily proof.

  18. Sam Sewell

    Wednesday, April 13, 2011 at 2:54 AM

    Does Hawaii ever release long-form birth certificates?
    visit http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?pageId=285921
    ———————
    Mrs. Rondeau replies: The article cited above links back to The Post & Email’s coverage of this issue!

  19. cbms

    Wednesday, April 13, 2011 at 12:08 AM

    Someone needs to break in and grab the documents by force? How else are you going to obtain them. Other than that we can all bicker about not seeing the long form. Seriously, how else can we obtain this?
    ——————-
    Mrs. Rondeau replies: The people of Hawaii have now been denied access to government records which by law are available to the public. It is up to them to take action on this unconstitutional denial of their rights.

  20. Researcher

    Tuesday, April 12, 2011 at 11:57 PM

    Sharon, if you would, please provide the appropriate links from the P&E.

    ALL HI COLBs issued between November 2001 and October 2008 (hmm…) were identified as a “Certification of Live Birth.” The HDoH revised its COLB form in October of 2008 and changed its terminology to “Certificate of Live Birth” and added the parents place of birth. I made a UIPA request over one year ago and I was able to obtain a copy of the blank October 2008 form and the HDoH was unable to produce a blank copy (with form fields) of the Rev. 11/01 form. Everything including the border, the title, SoH seal (not to be confused with the raised seal applied when issued), the form fields, etc come from the HDoH database. The feedstock used to produce the COLB is completely blank other than the background security features which are embedded in the feedstock. When the database was revised, the HDoH did not archive a blank copy of Rev 11/01, or so I was informed.

    My point is that Barry’s alleged COLB is not any different than those issued to persons who obtained one between 11/01 and 10/08. This however does not absolve Barry of the responsibility to cough up a certified copy of his long form (if it even exists). Current and former SoH officials have recently went on record that they will only issue a COLB and not a certified copy of the original. This assertion is patently false. There are numerous examples on the internet of legitimate certified copies of HI long form birth certificates (one obtained as recently as last month) and a video of a woman ordering her long form birth certificate at the HDoH main office last summer that have been obtained and posted for public purview since King Barry’s coronation on January 20, 2009.

    Hawaii Revised Statute 338-13 clearly states that a person is entitled to a any copy or any portion thereof of their vital records. Barry can obtain a certified copy of his original for a modest $10.00 fee if he specifically requests it. Clearly the SoH is trying to obfuscate the issue by spreading disinformation.

    More:

    The SoH legislature better rush through a revision to HRS 339-13 then. The information Terry Gain commented on at AT in direct conflict with HI law.

    http://comments.americanthinker.com/read/1/803125.html

    338-13 Certified copies.
    (a) Subject to the requirements of sections 338-16, 338-17, and 338-18, the department of health shall, upon request, furnish to any applicant a certified copy of any certificate, or the contents of any certificate, or any part thereof.
    (b) Copies of the contents of any certificate on file in the department, certified by the department shall be considered for all purposes the same as the original, subject to the requirements of sections 338-16, 338-17, and 338-18.
    (c) Copies may be made by photography, dry copy reproduction, typing, computer printout or other process approved by the director of health.

    Emphasis on “any”!!
    ————————
    Mrs. Rondeau replies: Readers can do a search of the site using the words “Chiyome Fukino, Janice Okubo, Hawaii, etc., and find all of the stories dealing with the UIPA law and their violation of it. There are too many stories to list here.

  21. George

    Tuesday, April 12, 2011 at 11:29 PM

    Unbelievable. Somebody needs to file a lawsuit under Hawaii Rev. Statutes 338-13 to compel the State of Hawaii to give them a copy of their own original birth certificate. That case would throw a lot of light on things . . .

  22. tom

    Tuesday, April 12, 2011 at 10:35 PM

    The line for “father” etc contains nothing . NO name/data re FATHER; LISTED ON B.O. Jr’s “original birth record”

    B.O.Jr., in his “own” words:
    excerpt-
    ~”Dreams From My Father”
    from pg 345
    “I was just thinking about how life is so strange. You know, as soon as the Old Man died,the lawyers contacted all those who might have a claim to the inheritance. Unlike my mum, RUTH HAS all the documents needed to prove who Mark’s father was.”

    “the Old Man”=Barack Obama Sr
    “my mum”= Stanley Ann Dunham
    “Ruth”=Ruth Nidesand, B Obama Sr’s 3rd wife 2nd U.S. Cit bore him 2 children, in Africa
    “Mark”= B.O. Jr.’s half-brother, son of Sr & Ruth

  23. ksdb

    Tuesday, April 12, 2011 at 10:32 PM

    The law you cited means the DOH cannot withhold a valid request for a long form birth certificate. It says the DOH SHALL “furnish to any applicant a certified copy of any certificate.” If you have a long form on file, this is saying they have to provide a copy to you. This would be grounds to sue for anyone who can’t get one.

  24. James

    Tuesday, April 12, 2011 at 10:29 PM

    Sharon,
    Donald Trump should have his investigators work closely with GOP Senator Sam Slom to uncover the truth about what being covered up in Hawaii.

  25. Birdy

    Tuesday, April 12, 2011 at 10:25 PM

    O’Reilly, on The O’Reilly Factor, Tuesday, April 12th, said “the state of Hawaii, and we called them today, they have a law there, actually, that says you can’t get the birth certificate. You can’t get it.” Really? Then how did all of those people who have one today get one? Why the lies, Bill? Why the lies? He goes on to say “But it…but it…it’s in bound form. It’s in bound form and that you could see it if they would let you but of course they won’t.” Why the lies? You’re just parroting Chiyome Fukino’s talking points with the Michael Isikoff MSNBC interview. Did Obama, or should I say his puppet masters, give everybody their talking points?

    O’Reilly said “Factor investigation also showed that Obama was born in a hospital in Honolulu and we stand by our reporting.” Well lets see the facts O’Reilly. Show us what facts you have that prove he was born in a Honolulu hospital. No one else has seen this information. Again, you are a liar. Why the lies, Bill? Why the lies?

    The news media talking heads are all talking about the birth certificate issue. Maya Soetoro-Ng was on the Today show and talked about it with Meredith Vieira. They are in panic mode. They are using brute force, the awesome power of the national media and the state powers of Hawaii to save themselves. What kind of horrendous totalitarian society have we become? This is frightening. We really have lost America.

  26. Bob1943

    Tuesday, April 12, 2011 at 10:05 PM

    A birth certificate with no parents names?

  27. AuntieMadder

    Tuesday, April 12, 2011 at 9:40 PM

    I don’t know what they were before. But what I do know is that passport applicants who were born in Hawaii and don’t already have in their possession a copy of their long form birth certificate are going to be SOL. It looks like you gave more thought to the reasons why this new law might not work than those at the Hawaii Dept of Health who wrote it did.

  28. gaim

    Tuesday, April 12, 2011 at 9:37 PM

    Then they are violating state law :
    ——————
    92-31 Disposition of original record. A photograph, microphotograph, reproduction on film, or electronic form of a government record shall be placed in conveniently accessible files and provisions made for preserving, examining, and using the same. Thereafter, a public officer, after having first received the written approval of the comptroller as provided in section 94-3, may cause such record, paper, or document to be destroyed. The comptroller may require, as a prerequisite to the granting of such approval, that a reproduction or print of such photograph, microphotograph, or reproduction on film, or electronic form of the record be delivered into the custody of the public archives for safekeeping. The comptroller may also require the delivery into the custody of another governmental department or agency or a research library of any such record, paper, or document proposed to be destroyed under the provisions of this section.
    ——————

    So, either the original microfiche copy is still available or a complete reproduction of it in electronic form is available. To put something in electronic form and not copy all the data on the original document would be against the law. Where these files have to be accessible and provisions have to be made for examining them, it would be misleading for the Department of Health to say that the information on the original Certificate of Live Birth is no longer available. Under Hawaii Revised Statutes 338-18, those with a direct and tangible interest in the record are permitted inspection of public health statistics records. That would include either the microfiche or electronic copy of the original Certificate of Live Birth. I don’t recall the state legislature repealing 92-31 or 338-18.

  29. Birdy

    Tuesday, April 12, 2011 at 9:28 PM

    Below is a comparison of the fields contained in a Hawai’ian Certificate of Live Birth (long form) and a Hawai’ian Certification of Live Birth (short form).

    Michael Isikoff quotes Chiyome Fukino as saying that Obama’s long-form birth certificate is “located in a bound volume in a file cabinet on the first floor of the state Department of Health.”
    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42519951/ns/politics-more_politics#

    Field 6b, of the long-form, is titled “Date Received By Local Registrar” and field 6c is titled “Date Accepted By State.” I suspect that the problem with Obama’s long form is that it was never accepted by the state. The paperwork was filled out and it is in the “file cabinet” at the DOH, but it lacks supporting documentation to be accepted by the state. That is why Obama’s COLB says “Date Filed By Registrar.” The 6b date is all he has. He does not have the 6c date, otherwise his COLB would say “Date Accepted By State Registrar.” If it had been accepted by the state, it would be scanned into digital storage as a digital image of a long-form birth certificate. He does not have a long-form and the state of Hawaii does not recognize him officially as being born in Hawaii. That is what he is hiding. That’s my opinion.

    Hawaii
    Certificate of Live Birth………………….Certification of Live Birth
    1. Child-Name First, Middle, Last…………..Child’s Name
    2a. Date of Birth…………………………Date of Birth
    2b. Hour…………………………………Hour of Birth
    3. Sex…………………………………..Sex
    4a. Hospital – Name……………………….
    4b. City, Town or Location of Birth…………City, Town or Location of Birth
    4c. Island……………………………….Island of Birth
    4d. County of Birth……………………….County of Birth
    5a. Certifier Signature……………………
    5b. Date Signed by Certifier……………….
    5c. Name and Title of Attendant at Birth…….
    5d. Certifier Name and Title……………….
    5e. Certifier Mailing Address………………
    5f. Attendant – MD, DO, Midwife, Other………
    6a. Registrar Signature……………………
    6b. Date Received by Local Registrar………..Date Filed By Registrar
    6c. Date Accepted By State…………………
    Evidence For Late Filing or Alteration………
    7a. Mother – Maiden Name First, Middle, Last…Mother’s Maiden Name
    7b. Age at Time of This Birth………………
    7c. State of Birth (or Name of Country)……..
    8a. Residence – State……………………..
    8b. County……………………………….
    8c. City, Town or Location…………………
    8d. Street and Number of residence………….
    8e. Inside City Limits?……………………
    9. Mother’s Mailing Address………………..
    10a. Father – Name First, Middle, Last………Father’s Name
    10a-1. Last Name (At Birth)………………..
    10b. Age (At time of this delivery)…………
    10c. State of Birth (or Country)……………
    10d. Active Member of US Armed Forces?………
    11a. Signature of Parent or other Informant….
    11b. Relation To Child…………………….
    12a. Race – Mother………………………..Mother’s Race
    12b. Is Person of Spanish Origin?…………..
    Puerto Rican?…………………………….
    Mexican?…………………………………
    Cuban?…………………………………..
    Central/S American?……………………….
    Other & Unknown Spanish Origin?…………….
    13a. Race – Father………………………..Father’s Race
    13b. Is Person of Spanish Origin?…………..
    Puerto Rican?…………………………….
    Mexican?…………………………………
    Cuban?…………………………………..
    Central/S American?……………………….
    Other & Unknown Spanish Origin?…………….
    State File No…………………………….
    ………………………………………..Certificate Number

  30. thinkwell

    Tuesday, April 12, 2011 at 9:24 PM

    Hello Cort,

    Amen to all that you wrote. Such a level of government lawless is simply stunning. Thank you for expressing what I have been thinking but have been too dumbfounded to put into words. I hope this is the last spasms and gasps of desperate evil exposed to the light of truth. This level of corruption is unbelievably surreal. I want someone to pinch me and I wake up with my country back.

    I pray that Obama and all his enablers are protected from all untoward harm so that they all may feel the sting of righteous justice strictly administered per the rule of law.

  31. Jeanette

    Tuesday, April 12, 2011 at 9:09 PM

    http://travel.state.gov/passport/passport_1738.html

    It has already been taken care of, April 1, 2011 Passpart changes.

  32. AuntieMadder

    Tuesday, April 12, 2011 at 9:07 PM

    The timing of this new law from the Hawaii Dept of Health only makes those running the Dept look more guilty of having committed fraud for Barky. And I think Mrs Rondeau may be on to something about the possibility of the state of Hawaii having committed fraud in order to receive money from the federal govt…maybe even for the entirety of Hawaii’s statehood.

  33. Jeanette

    Tuesday, April 12, 2011 at 9:03 PM

    http://travel.state.gov/passport/passport_1738.html
    Why is the State department changing requirements now?

  34. Jeanette

    Tuesday, April 12, 2011 at 9:01 PM

    http://travel.state.gov/passport/passport_5401.html

    Just wondering what the requirements were before the changes took place April 1, 2011? Anyone?

  35. AuntieMadder

    Tuesday, April 12, 2011 at 8:49 PM

    Citizen to Romney: America Doesn’t Need You in the White House.

  36. sky

    Tuesday, April 12, 2011 at 8:43 PM

    heard the cia is in control of the media? WTO=NWO=UN=foreign officers=U.S. military

  37. Bob1943

    Tuesday, April 12, 2011 at 8:40 PM

    He also cannot have a security clearance which required any kind of a background check, because he could never pass even the lowest level security level check.

    They simply gave it to him when he was fraudulently elected.

  38. sky

    Tuesday, April 12, 2011 at 8:36 PM

    patriotactionnetwork trans corridor mexico to canada north american union.Trump doesnt need to run as a independent,we have too many illegals here and with the problems in the middle East Barry{obama] will let the islamist come over,Remember you dont vote a communist,dictator out.

  39. Marty

    Tuesday, April 12, 2011 at 8:04 PM

    Just called, I asked them to look into the Historic Registry aspect of this issue. The hospital where the first black president should be listed as a Historic Site. The person I talked to thought he was born in Seattle. His mom started classes there three weeks after he was born. Good luck.

  40. California Birther/Dualer/Doubter

    Tuesday, April 12, 2011 at 7:49 PM

    Could this explain why Romney’s poll numbers have tanked while Trump’s soared past his?

  41. MichaelN

    Tuesday, April 12, 2011 at 7:25 PM

    They have only a week or so ago fiddled with the proof of citizenship form of birth certificate required when applying for a US passport.

    It seems like the rot is spreading, and Hawaii’s ‘officials’ are not the only ones infected.

    This needs to be investigated URGENTLY.

    “New Requirement for U.S. Birth Certificates

    Updated March 23, 2011

    New U.S. Birth Certificate Requirement

    Beginning April 1, 2011, the U.S. Department of State will require the full names of the applicant’s parent(s) to be listed on all certified birth certificates to be considered as primary evidence of U.S. citizenship for all passport applicants, regardless of age. Certified birth certificates missing this information will not be acceptable as evidence of citizenship. This will not affect applications already in-process that have been submitted or accepted before the effective date.

    For more information, see 22 CFR 51.42(a).

    To obtain a new birth certificate, see the CDC.

    In addition to this requirement, certified copies of birth certificates must also include the following information to be considered acceptable primary evidence of U.S. citizenship:

    * Full name of the applicant
    * Date of birth
    * Place of birth
    * Raised, embossed, impressed or multicolored seal of issuing authority
    * Registrar’s signature
    * The date the certificate was filed with the registrar’s office (must be within one year)

    If you have a birth certificate that does not meet these requirements, please see Secondary Evidence of U.S. Citizenship.

    http://travel.state.gov/passport/passport_5401.html
    ———————–
    Mrs. Rondeau replies: Then that means that the documents which Hawaii is issuing are not acceptable to obtain a passport, because the gentleman reporting from Hawaii stated that the short-form certificate he received does not have his parents’ names nor place of birth. Last year, the certificate issued to Alan Booth did. Why would the state of Hawaii now be issuing documents which do not comply with State Department requirements? Moreover, why did the State Department, if it did, issue Obama a passport if his “birth certificate” lacked that information?

  42. kittycat77

    Tuesday, April 12, 2011 at 7:20 PM

    I just had a thought over this, and I hope that it’s not true. Maybe BO has changed the law over in Hawaii, or told his buddies to change it, so no one can ever get a long-form BC period. Well, let me tell you this, he’s hanging on the wrong tree here. This part of the US, at least a lot of us, isn’t going to go for it. We have to stay one step ahead of his diabolical plan. That’s just honest. So he has to reveal his so-called long-form BC, that is, if he has one.

  43. an independent american

    Tuesday, April 12, 2011 at 7:12 PM

    Can this information be forwarded to Mr. Trump? He sure seems to be smoking out a lot of people and their lies.
    ——————
    Mrs. Rondeau replies: Already done.

  44. James

    Tuesday, April 12, 2011 at 7:01 PM

    All this information needs to get to Donald Trump somehow.

  45. Rob

    Tuesday, April 12, 2011 at 6:22 PM

  46. Starla

    Tuesday, April 12, 2011 at 6:22 PM

    “OBAMA USING STOLEN SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER” (VIDEO)

    “More evidence is appearing, that shows that Obama has been using a Connecticut issued Social Security number that was assigned to a person, now deceased, born in 1890.

    CDR Charles F. Kerchner and his attorney Mario Apuzzo interviewed by Peter Boyles on KHOW.”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elmtjxy-fFE&feature=player_embedded

  47. RJ

    Tuesday, April 12, 2011 at 6:18 PM

    I have prognosticated before on this issue to wit:

    (1) The bills being proposed by several states are not specific enough to trap obama into producing an actual, certified ‘long form birth certificate;’ AND,

    (2) If necessary, obama will file lawsuits, wherever laws have been passed, and assert he must be ‘grand fathered’ in — as the sitting president — and cannot be required to comply with any new laws. In fact, I believe I am remembering correctly that one of the proposed state laws only becomes effective AFTER THE 2012 ELECTION.

  48. Susana

    Tuesday, April 12, 2011 at 6:10 PM

    One would assume that with the entourage a president—even a pretender—travels, he is never stopped and examined (personally or travel docs) as you and I are, so he probably doesn’t need a passport right now.

  49. Susana

    Tuesday, April 12, 2011 at 6:06 PM

    What will be interesting is how the Dept. of State will view these COLBs as numbers of Hawaiians apply for passports. If the passports are denied for lack of adequate birth info, you can be either the law will change back or there will be a major revolution in Hawaii.
    ———————
    Mrs. Rondeau replies: I don’t believe any law has been changed. Rather, the officials in Hawaii, whose salaries are paid for by tax dollars, are making their own rules to protect Obama and themselves. Just think if they have 50 years of defrauding the federal government of potentially billions of dollars by misrepresenting thousands of people as having been born in Hawaii and therefore having U.S. citizenship when they didn’t! That might be enough reason for them all to be taking the risks that they are taking, knowing that their fraud has now been exposed.

  50. Miki Booth

    Tuesday, April 12, 2011 at 5:55 PM

    What is happening in Hawai’i?
    Call Sen. Sam Slom’s office @ (808) 586-8420
    or email senslom@capitol.hi.gov and ask him what is going on. He is the ONLY REPUBLICAN SENATOR IN HAWAII. He is asking what Obama is spending so much money hiding. Please inundate him with calls and email so he knows how many people are here supporting him and Donald Trump.
    Mahalo, Miki

  51. A pen

    Tuesday, April 12, 2011 at 5:37 PM

    How will the thugs shut up Trump? There is only one way and we all know Barry can’t be proved ineligible or hundreds of lifetime politicians, judges and media mouthpieces will be out of work at the very least.

  52. Tim

    Tuesday, April 12, 2011 at 5:34 PM

    Not only they are killing the Constitution but they are demolishing the Law itself! It is becoming increasingly obvious that they are acting out of desperation hoping, perhaps, for an executive order guarding everybody who protects and defends Obama? How did our country fall so low?

  53. Ryan

    Tuesday, April 12, 2011 at 4:57 PM

    Has any even tried to ask about a passport? How does Obama even travel – how does he have a passport, without a RAISED SEAL Birth Certificate?

    As per the requirements on:
    http://travel.state.gov/passport/get/first/first_830.html#step3first

  54. Cort Wrotnowski

    Tuesday, April 12, 2011 at 4:38 PM

    This is how a raw dictatorship works. It is its own law. Rogue elements of the Hawaiian government are exercising the most flagrant form of rule of men over rule of law.

    Since so damn many rules and regulations have already been implemented, a state lawyer will interpret a regulation to mean what they want even if it contradicts an existing law.

    Being forced into creation is an all too sharp distinction of “We The People” versus “Us the Government”

  55. William1

    Tuesday, April 12, 2011 at 4:00 PM

    Interesting,

    Apparently, the Dept. of Health believes it has authority over a State Statue. Did the State Reps. meet and vote on this so called new Statue? I am wondering if Governor Neil decided this solely upon himself for change, since he is over the State Departments and therefore bypassed the State Legislators?

    I cannot recall his name, but does the Hawaiian Republican State Rep. know of such declaration of change in Hawaiian Law?

    Maybe his office should be made aware of it and they themselves can investigate it and get answers quicker? Just a thought.
    ———————-
    Mrs. Rondeau replies: His name is Sen. Sam Slom Look him up at the Hawaii Legislature.

  56. THINK

    Tuesday, April 12, 2011 at 3:53 PM

    Unbelievable. I’m assuming the name change on the short form from “Certification” to “Certificate” is to further muddle the issue when it’s discussed by the media Please stay on top of this. Given my research the past few days into this issue, your site seems to be following the day-to-day developments, with assistance from those in Hawaii, very closely and it’s very much appreciated.
    ————————
    Mrs. Rondeau replies: We’re trying. If others could call also, that would help. Dr. Alvin Onaka, Registrar: 8808-586-4600

  57. ConcernedOne

    Tuesday, April 12, 2011 at 3:40 PM

    Isn’t there any way to hold the DOH in HI accountable for all of their suspicious actions? Be it statements made by the former director based on no documentation seen by the public – conflicting statements made by different officials (current Governor and previous Governor) – changing the law to limit or refuse UIPA requests due to Vexatious Requester law and now this?

    Hopefully there are more folks that can attempt to get a long form Certificate of Live Birth that were born in HI just to see if they keep giving the same information or if changes with the wind.

  58. Hotlanta Mike

    Tuesday, April 12, 2011 at 3:38 PM

    Correction: They are changing the rules to protect the State of Hawaii who protected Obama Soetoro Soebarkah Dunham et al.

  59. Lucas D. Smith

    Tuesday, April 12, 2011 at 3:34 PM

    Ridiculous. (double meaning)

  60. Rob

    Tuesday, April 12, 2011 at 3:29 PM

    Obama Using Stolen Social Security Number(video)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elmtjxy-fFE&feature=channel_video_title

  61. yo

    Tuesday, April 12, 2011 at 3:25 PM

    This is their response to people wanting to know the truth.

    I gotta admit. I never saw this one coming.

    Prison is too good for these people.

  62. spawn44

    Tuesday, April 12, 2011 at 3:22 PM

    If Hawaii can not produce a COPY OF OBAMA’S LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE, per Hawaii’s new (recently changed to protect obama) policy, how can Obama possible run in the next election. There are numerous states passing laws requiring all candidates to show a COPY of their LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE. When the truth of this hoax comes out, the fraud and cover-up will be on a par with the socialist democrats pushing of the AGW scam on the American people.

  63. James

    Tuesday, April 12, 2011 at 3:13 PM

    The answer is simple. They are changing the rules to protect Obama.

  64. Obama Researcher

    Tuesday, April 12, 2011 at 2:54 PM

    Right now on the Apuzzo blog we have the following 2 comments.

    paraleaglenm said…
    This is current Hawaiian Law —
    Haw. Stat. Rev. §338-13 Certified copies.
    (a) Subject to the requirements of sections 338-16, 338-17, and 338-18, the department of health shall, upon request, furnish to any applicant a certified copy of any certificate, or the contents of any certificate, or any part thereof.

    (b) Copies of the contents of any certificate on file in the department, certified by the department shall be considered for all purposes the same as the original, subject to the requirements of sections 338-16, 338-17, and 338-18.

    (c) Copies may be made by photography, dry copy reproduction, typing, computer printout or other process approved by the director of health. [L 1949, c 327, §17; RL 1955, §57-16; am L Sp 1959 2d, c 1, §19; HRS §338-13; am L 1978, c 49, §1]

    PS — I am no longer ‘paralegalnm’
    http://paraleaglenm.wordpress.com/2009/02/27/barack-hussein-obama-a-natural-born-subject-of-great-britain/

    April 12, 2011 9:59 AM

    puzo1moderator said…
    All:

    Please call or email the AZ Speaker of the House and urge him to 100% support the passage of SB1157, the presidential eligibility vetting law striker bill, and to get it into law as soon as possible, and effective this year. I have just made a call to his office. The AZ Speaker’s name is: Kirk Adams

    Phone#: 602-926-5495
    Email: kadams@azleg.gov

    CDR Kerchner (Ret)
    http://www.protectourliberty.org

    April 12, 2011 11:49 AM

  65. ELmo

    Tuesday, April 12, 2011 at 2:48 PM

    This is very troubling indeed. This is a sorry state our country has come to I’m afraid.
    ELmo

  66. Lucas D. Smith

    Tuesday, April 12, 2011 at 2:21 PM

    Sharon,

    Dr. Chiyome Fukino, former director of the Hawaii Department of Health, can now tell the media anything she wants to tell them, whether it be fact or fiction.

    As we all know, she is no longer the director of the Hawaii Department of Health and cannot be held accountable for anything she now says about Barack Obama’s fabled long form birth certificate.

    Why, when she was the director, did she not give out these details about there being an attending doctor listed and that the birth certificate is part typed and part hand printed?

    She feels safe to say whatever she wants now that she is not speaking official capacity.

    I challenge her to write out an affidavit/declaration and submit it to any of the various pending eligibility litigation. Then I want to see her show up at a hearing and be placed in the ‘witness room’ while waiting for the judge to call her out into open Court to testify on oath and penalty of perjury.
    —————
    Mrs. Rondeau replies: When she testified to the Senate committee last year regarding the “legislation” which eventually passed labeling those requesting information as “vexatious requesters,” she lied then as well. It might not have been under oath, but she exaggerated the number of requests the department was receiving for Obama’s information. http://www.thepostemail.com/2010/03/11/hawaii-oversight-agency-wants-vexatious-requester-law-passed/

  67. RacerJim

    Tuesday, April 12, 2011 at 2:15 PM

    And the noose tightens….

  68. Greg Goss

    Tuesday, April 12, 2011 at 2:02 PM

    This will only make things worse for them. If they left well enough alone it will still up to Obama to grant access. Now it makes them look complicit.

  69. jacqlynsmith

    Tuesday, April 12, 2011 at 1:43 PM

    UNBELIEVABLE….they have really gotten desperate now! What will folks do when getting a passport and you are required to have that long form….or is this now going to be mandated in all states so that we can be flooded with even more illegals! WHAT A JOKE!

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