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DOCUMENT ALLEGEDLY OBTAINED IN KENYA SENT TO EVERY MEMBER OF CONGRESS by Sharon Rondeau (Sept. 5, 2010) — Lucas Daniel Smith has just completed a mailing to each member of Congress a copy of a document which he stated is a certified copy of the original birth certificate of Barack Hussein Obama II showing that [...]

DOCUMENT ALLEGEDLY OBTAINED IN KENYA SENT TO EVERY MEMBER OF CONGRESS

by Sharon Rondeau

Lucas Smith found this map of Kenya and East Africa while conducting research at the Powell Library at UCLA in September 2009. This map is significant in that it labels the coast of the Kenya Colony as being the Kenya Protectorate."Source: 1926 Encyclopedia Britannica supplement to the 1922 edition

(Sept. 5, 2010) — Lucas Daniel Smith has just completed a mailing to each member of Congress a copy of a document which he stated is a certified copy of the original birth certificate of Barack Hussein Obama II showing that Obama was born in Kenya, Africa. Each birth certificate copy was sent with a seven-page, individually-notarized letter by certified mail.  The project was completed on August 31, 2010.

Smith said that he obtained the document from the Coast Province General Hospital in Mombasa, Kenya in February 2009.  The  document became part of a lawsuit filed by Dr. Orly Taitz, Esq., in California which was denied a hearing in October 2009 by Judge David O. Carter.

Mr. Smith’s declaration to the court, taken under oath, is here.

A video produced by “On Second Thought” TV following one of the preliminary court hearings last summer depicts Mr. Smith discussing some of the details of the document is here.  A video which Mr. Smith produced himself showing close-ups of the document details is here.

In an interview with the Christian News Review on July 13, 2010, Mr. Smith described his background as a sociologist studying in Africa, how he obtained the document from Coast Province General Hospital, the cost, and the military and police presence there. A second interview with Steve Cooper of The Conservative Monster from August 18, 2010  can be found here.

The Post & Email had previously reported that the spelling of “Mombasa” had been “Mombassa” in 1961, but Mr. Smith has refuted that statement.  Indeed, this writer has performed a five-page search using the words “history of Mombasa, Kenya,” and found no evidence of its being spelled “Mombassa.”

Page 635 of the Encyclopedia Britannica (pictured below) utilized by Smith for his research on the history of Kenya also refers to the port city as “Mombasa.”  However, one website which has been following the Obama eligibility controversy incorrectly reports the spelling on the document as “Mombassa.”

Kenya obtained its independence from Great Britain in 1963.

The document which Mr. Smith has reported is a certified copy of the original birth certificate appears below:

Document allegedly obtained from the Coast Province General Hospital on February 19, 2009 by Lucas Smith

The Post & Email asked Mr. Smith a number of questions regarding his travels to Africa, how he obtained the document, and his decision to send it to every member of Congress, a project which was completed on August 31, 2010. Our questions are in bold.

1. Would you be willing to send The Post & Email anything that proves your travel to Kenya (or whatever country was your first destination in Africa) before you accessed the personnel at the Mombasa hospital (the stub of an airline ticket, hotel receipt, etc.)? Do you have anything that shows when you re-entered the U.S. from Kenya after you obtained the document?

I have a plethora of documentation which puts me in the following countries in February of 2009: Democratic Republic of the Congo, The People’s Republic of the Congo, Uganda and Kenya. I will provide this documentation in person to both Congress and attorneys. I will not distribute electronic copies of this documentation until the documentation has been reviewed by members of Congress or disclosed during Congressional investigations/hearings or entered in as evidence in eligibility litigation here in the United States or the United Kingdom.

2. How long were you in Kenya before you approached hospital personnel about obtaining Obama’s record?

Less than 10 days.

3. What convinces you that the document you have in your possession is a copy of his original hospital record? Is there any chance someone gave you a fake document and passed it off as real?

I have been analyzing Barack Obama’s Kenyan CPGH hospital birth certificate for more than one year. This document has withstood the test of time. It has never been discredited. On February 19, 2009 I personally entered Coast Province General Hospital under the guise that I was looking for my sister that had fallen ill while she was working Kenya. It wasn’t until I was inside of the hospital and face to face with administrative staff that I mentioned anything regarding my desire to procure (or purloin) a certified copy of Barack Obama’s original birth record. The significance of the guise was to eliminate any possibility that the hospital’s staff (seeing dollar signs) would be “waiting” for me with a forged or fake document.

4. How long did it take for hospital personnel to procure the document once you approached them about it (e.g., did it occur over a matter of weeks, or did you simply approach them one day, offer them money, and they got the document out of the files)?

On February 19th I personally entered Coast Province General Hospital in Mombasa, Kenya. While inside of the hospital I presented a member of the hospital’s administrative staff with $5000 US dollars, cash. I set the money down in front of them and told them that the money was theirs if they could bring me a certified copy of US President Barack Obama’s original hospital birth record. I stipulated that I was only allotting a small window of time for the staff member to fetch me the document. This member of the administrative staff returned, within the allotted time, with the certified copy of Obama’s original hospital birth record. I am not, at this time, disclosing to the public the specific time allotment. However, I can tell you that the time allotment was less than 45 minutes. The significance of the time allotment was to eliminate any possibility that the hospital’s staff (again seeing dollar signs) would have sufficient time to create a forged or fake document.

5. Since you have had the document since last summer, is there a reason why you chose to hold off on contacting Congress until now?

Going as far back as March of 2009 I have been contacting members of the United States Congress and other federal and state officials as well as attorneys. I actively contacted members of Congress and attorneys during March, April, May and June of 2009. I will use the euphemism of “unfavorable and unsuccessful” to effectively, and respectfully, articulate the responses that I received.

It was at that point, June 2009, that I ascertained that eBay was my only opportunity to garner publicity and bring Barack Obama’s Kenyan birth certificate to the attention of the whole world. I never had any intentions of selling the document. The world would have never known about Barack Obama’s original 1961 hospital birth record from the Protectorate of Kenya if it weren’t for the June – July 2009 eBay auctions.

The Lucas Daniel Smith 4th of July (2010) Letter to Congress is intended to serve as an official record of having informed all of Congress, each member, of Barack Obama’s Kenyan birth and the existence of the 2009 certified copy of Barack Obama’s 1961 Coast Province General Hospital Mombasa, British Protectorate of Kenya, birth record. The letter also directs their attention to a document that they themselves, i.e., US Congress, published in the 1990s which questioned the eligibility of individuals born abroad, of TWO US CITIZEN PARENTS, to hold the Office of President of the United States of America.

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On September 1, 2010, Mr. Smith reported to The Post & Email that letters containing the document he obtained from Kenya have been sent by certified mail to all members of Congress, funded by a private donor.  The complete mailing, which is 3,945 pages long, is divided into eight links due to its size.

Link 1

Link 2

Link 3

Link 4

Link 5

Link 6

Link 7

Link 8

The letter to Senator Charles Grassley of Iowa begins:

Lucas Daniel Smith
1626 5th Avenue SE
Cedar Rapids, Iowa 52403
Lucas_d_Smith@live.com
319-804-0440

07.04.2010

United States Senator Charles Grassley
135 Hart Senate Office Building
Washington, DC 20510
202-224-3744

RE:  Barack Obama was born in Kenya.  I personally obtained from his birth hospital and now have in my possession a certified copy of his original birth record from the British Protectorate of Kenya.

Dear Senator Charles Grassley,

I am writing to you today regarding a matter of national security.

We may have spoken before.  This letter will, in part, serve as my official record of my having contacted you regarding the above referenced subject matter.

The President of the United States of America is not eligible to serve as our President.

President Barack Hussein Obama II is not a natural born citizen of the United States of America.  President Obama was born in Mombasa, British Protectorate of Kenya at the Coast Province General Hospital in 1961.

I, Lucas Smith, have proof of this.

Mr. Smith points out the following in regard to page 7 of the letter to members of the House of Representatives and Senate:

Senate Publication 103-21 (US Constitution) was sent to me almost 10 years ago from US Senator Charles Grassley. Last year, while in Africa, when I learned of Barack Obama’s Kenyan birth it was page 18 of this Senate published edition of the US Constitution that popped into the forefront my mind. Page 18 was instrumental in my decision to pursue this story of President Obama’s birth place and attempt to procure some sort of official Kenyan birth record of Mr. Barack Obama.

It was page 18 which contains the words of the late Johnny H. Killian:

This clause requires that in order to take oath of office a president must be 35, a resident within the United States for 14 years, and a natural-born citizen. This last requirement (natural-born citizen) raises the question of whether someone born to American parents outside of the United States would be eligible to hold the office (emphasis added by The Post & Email).

Mr. Johnny H. Killian advised Congress for more than 44 years on constitutional matters. As senior specialist in American public law at the Congressional Research Service, Mr. Killian was the person most often called upon when the constitutionality of a proposal was in question. Mr. Killian was also the editor of and major contributor to the 1972, 1982, 1992 and 2002 editions of “Constitution of the United States of America: Analysis and Interpretation,” nicknamed the Annotated, a seminal work on the judicial history of all constitutional amendments that is a standard text in U.S. law schools.”

More information on Johnny H. Killian can be found here.

Some have questioned the date format and other aspects of the document which Mr. Smith obtained, stating that it would have been written in the European format of day/month/year.  However, Smith has provided an envelope which he claims is from Mombasa from 1897 showing a month/day/year format:

Envelope which Mr. Smith claims is from Mombasa (British East Africa/East Africa Protectorate from 1897 and shows the date in month/day/year format

and made the following statement:

The stamps on the envelope are specifically from 1897.   Furthermore, and more importantly, the British ran out of their own stamps sometime in 1897 and overprinted these Zanzibar stamps with the wording of “British East Africa”.    A close look at the stamps on the envelope shows the “British East Africa” overprint.    The overprint on the far right stamp has the easiest overprint to make out.

The narrative from the 1926 Encyclopedia Britannica which Mr. Smith utilized for his research containing the above map of Kenya appears below.

Page 630 from the Encyclopedia Britannica 1926 supplement to the 1922 edition

Page 635 from the same volume

Page 634 containing the map of the Protectorate of Kenya

Page from the Encyclopedia Britannica showing the copyright and publication dates

Binding of the encyclopedia volume used by Lucas Smith to gather information on the Protectorate of Kenya

Encyclopedia Britannica cover page of Volume II, published 1926

Page 635 provides the following historical statement on Kenya:

Change of Status.—During this period of strain the change from a protectorate to a crown colony was effected (July 1920).  The new colony was named after Mount Kenya, the most commanding natural feature of the country.  The coast lands which formed part of the Sultanate of Zanzibar were not annexed but became the Kenya Protectorate.

What will the members of Congress do once all of the letters are received?  Can they continue to stonewall, insist that Obama has shown a valid birth certificate from Hawaii, and refuse to investigate?  What other document issued in the United States comes close to resembling the document which Smith procured?

No hospital in the United States has claimed that Obama was born there.  Only Governor Linda Lingle of Hawaii has stated that Obama was born at Kapiolani Medical Center, but a person formerly employed in the Hawaii Elections Office says that Obama “was not born in Hawaii” and that “the government there knows this.”

What if Dr. Fukino has been obfuscating and lying to keep the truth from the American people?

Can the judges continue to defend Obama’s right to keep his records hidden?  If Obama is a fraud and ineligible to serve as president, what should be done?

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254 Responses for “Exclusive: Lucas Daniel Smith speaks with The Post & Email”

  1. woofie says:

    THE ONLY CERTIFIED PICTURES of LUCAS SMITH IN AFRICA on the INTERNET

    SEE IT HERE !!! SEE IT NOW !!!!

    LINK HERE:

    http://theautonomist.com/atnmst/bo_bc_files/obamma_bc_ebay6_bids.html

    >>>>>>>>>

    The 2 photos in Africa shows Smith standing without his shirt (its hot) in front of an African ? slum

    In the auction Smith says the following:
    >>>>>>>>>>>

    Added two other photos of Lucas. These two photos are only listed to show the background neighborhood in Africa, which will be of relevance when documenting our story (explain later). These two photos are not for autograph.

    >>>>>>>
    ALSO NOTICE the auction is titled:

    Autographed photo of Smith and Andylenny abroad

    although Smith doesn’t say (and never has said) that the pictures of him and Andylenny are in an Airport in Africa …he just says the picture is of them abroad
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    NOW I know I am beating a dead horse here, but on the off chance that P&E writer Sharon Rondeau will do the right thing and contact Mr Smith asking him to explain these things or the chance that another inteviewer will read this and educate himself or herself before believing everything that Smith says, I will try to spell out some common sense problems with Smith’s tale.

    One…. Smith first posted these picture of himself in Africa in July of ’09.
    No one can verify that the pictures are of Africa and not of the Dominican Republic (where Smith has spent a good deal of his time).

    Two…… Smith has never put another picture on the internet of himself in Africa even though he says he now says he has a plethora of documentation for his travels.

    A decent journalist would ask why he can put up some pictures and not others that clearly show him in Africa.

    A decent journalist would ask for some verification of that plethora of documents ( isn’t that what is being asked of Barrack Obama?)

    Three…… the timeline questions:
    Smith says the following:

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    “This spring I traveled through Kenya and its capital Nairobi. I was overwhelmed by the ‘iconicized’ face of U.S. President Barack Obama that displays itself throughout the country. I had lunch at a small eatery and noticed that the club sandwich with fried plantains was now known as ‘Obama’s Plate of the Day,’” the seller wrote on the initial auction page. “As an American I was bombarded with questions in English (English is national language of Kenya) on my feelings and opinions of a Kenyan governing the United States of America. The first several times I responded in saying that not enough time had elapsed since Barack Obama’s appointment as president of the U.S.A., and that I’d have to hold my official opinion until at least January 2010, a year in office might be sufficient for me to judge his ability to govern the U.S.A.
    “Naturally I thought that by ‘Kenyan’ they were referring to Barack Obama’s blood, being that his father Barack Obama Sr. was a native of Kenya. After a day and a half of my being in Nairobi I learned that they were literally referring to President Barack Obama Jr. as being born in Kenya, a native of Kenya.”

    >>>>>>>>>
    This sounds as if his experiences that spring were before he procured the document as that experience led him to question where Obama was born. So which Spring is it? ’09 or ’08.
    Smith does not talk about 2 trips to Africa (Spring and Winter)

    Clearly because the document says he got it in February of ’09 he has had to change his story …and say that he went in the winter.

    If I am wrong Mr Smith……

    Please explain.

    People and especially journalists need to use their brains rather than simply trust the words of a man who has the kind of past that Smith has.
    Smith needs to provide some reasonable explanations (but he wont)
    ——————–
    Mrs. Rondeau replies: I have “done the right thing” and asked Lucas Smith for proof of travel. None has been forthcoming, or we would have reported it. Nowhere in The Post & Email’s article did we state that Mr. Smith’s story is true. We reported on his letter campaign to Congress, which was verifiable, and Smith’s own research which he submitted to us.

    • woofie says:

      Im happy to hear that you have asked Mr Smith for some evidence of his travels. I am certain however that you will never receive any reasonable validation of his claims.

      While the story of Mr Smith sending his document and his story to all Congressmen and women is somewhat interesting, without the most basic back up material Mr Smith’s story is just that…. a story. Congress will no doubt ignore it as the work of a crank

      Look at what Mr Smith has put on line to back up his claims that he mailed his document to each and every Senator etc. He scanned thousands of pages. This is very odd behavior from someone who cant show anyone a picture of himself in what is unquestionably Africa.

      If you ever do question Mr Smith again please ask him where his first video (in which he shows the Kenyan BC)was taken. Again he hasn’t said.

  2. woofie says:

    I am not the first one to ask a question without an answer but it seems to me the people at P&E would do well to dig a bit deeper and ask Mr Smith a few more pertinent questions.

    If not maybe in the next “interview” of the daring Mr Smith the interviewers will do their homework and will not be willing to wait till hell freezes over to get an answer or two.

    Question:
    In one of Mr Smith’ first ebay auctions (I think the auction was in earlyJuly of ’09) he stated the following:

    “This spring I traveled through Kenya and its capital Nairobi. I was overwhelmed by the ‘iconicized’ face of U.S. President Barack Obama that displays itself throughout the country. I had lunch at a small eatery and noticed that the club sandwich with fried plantains was now known as ‘Obama’s Plate of the Day,” (*see footnote)

    I assume this can be found in other places on the internet but I found it in a
    WND article:

    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=102854

    This makes me wonder about the timeline .

    Did Smith travel twice to Kenya ?

    Once in the winter (February ’09) and then again in the spring of ’09 ? or was it the spring of ’08?

    If it was the Spring of ’09 why did Smith return to Kenya after daringly procuring this document ? was he afraid on the second trip?

    Perhaps Mr Smith has spoken about this second trip and I missed it…or perhaps he simply mis-spoke.

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>

    Also in an early auction Mr Smith stated the following:

    “I want to make clear that this whole endeavor to obtain information on O’s birth was a three man job (more accurately 2 men and 1 lady). Andylenny. Smith. Dawnella Wilson. Smith and Andylenny are (due) the credit for actually getting their hands on the proof. Dawnella Wilson is due credit for financing the whole undertaking. The photo in this listing is up for auction. On the left is Smith and on the right is Andylenny. This photo will be signed by Smith, as Smith. This will be the only autographed photo put up for auction. One auction, one winning bidder, one photo. No more,”

    this can also be found in a WND article:

    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=102754

    (If anyone can point us to some screen shots of these auctions …I think there were 6 of them , it could help clarify some other important points)

    I believe the only verified picture of Mr Smith in Kenya which has appeared on the internet can be found in one of those auctions (Mr Smith was standing in front of a slum). Mr Smith has stated that this WAS Kenya twice now, once in the auction and once recently on Free Republic (thread sadly removed).

    I find this surprising as Mr Smith states here on P&E that he has a “plethora” of evidence.

    As to Andy Lenny and Dawnella Wilson I don’t think Mr Smith has mentioned them since.

    If I am wrong ,can someone point me to it ?

    I would love to hear more about these 2 people…I believe Mr Lenny is a native of Kenya…. (I hope he is safe )

    Mr Smith posted a picture of the 2 of them together with a very cute child in what I assume is an airport in Kenya. (Mr Smith has yet to establish that however)

    At one point it would have been possible to purchase the picture on ebay.

    Just askin

    Footnote: Mr Smith has uncovered evidence while using Google that plantains do indeed grow in Kenya or perhaps nearby.

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