DOCUMENT ALLEGEDLY OBTAINED IN KENYA SENT TO EVERY MEMBER OF CONGRESS
by Sharon Rondeau
(Sept. 5, 2010) — Lucas Daniel Smith has just completed a mailing to each member of Congress a copy of a document which he stated is a certified copy of the original birth certificate of Barack Hussein Obama II showing that Obama was born in Kenya, Africa. Each birth certificate copy was sent with a seven-page, individually-notarized letter by certified mail. The project was completed on August 31, 2010.
Smith said that he obtained the document from the Coast Province General Hospital in Mombasa, Kenya in February 2009. The document became part of a lawsuit filed by Dr. Orly Taitz, Esq., in California which was denied a hearing in October 2009 by Judge David O. Carter.
Mr. Smith’s declaration to the court, taken under oath, is here.
A video produced by “On Second Thought” TV following one of the preliminary court hearings last summer depicts Mr. Smith discussing some of the details of the document is here. A video which Mr. Smith produced himself showing close-ups of the document details is here.
In an interview with the Christian News Review on July 13, 2010, Mr. Smith described his background as a sociologist studying in Africa, how he obtained the document from Coast Province General Hospital, the cost, and the military and police presence there. A second interview with Steve Cooper of The Conservative Monster from August 18, 2010 can be found here.
The Post & Email had previously reported that the spelling of “Mombasa” had been “Mombassa” in 1961, but Mr. Smith has refuted that statement. Indeed, this writer has performed a five-page search using the words “history of Mombasa, Kenya,” and found no evidence of its being spelled “Mombassa.”
Page 635 of the Encyclopedia Britannica (pictured below) utilized by Smith for his research on the history of Kenya also refers to the port city as “Mombasa.” However, one website which has been following the Obama eligibility controversy incorrectly reports the spelling on the document as “Mombassa.”
Kenya obtained its independence from Great Britain in 1963.
The document which Mr. Smith has reported is a certified copy of the original birth certificate appears below:
The Post & Email asked Mr. Smith a number of questions regarding his travels to Africa, how he obtained the document, and his decision to send it to every member of Congress, a project which was completed on August 31, 2010. Our questions are in bold.
1. Would you be willing to send The Post & Email anything that proves your travel to Kenya (or whatever country was your first destination in Africa) before you accessed the personnel at the Mombasa hospital (the stub of an airline ticket, hotel receipt, etc.)? Do you have anything that shows when you re-entered the U.S. from Kenya after you obtained the document?
I have a plethora of documentation which puts me in the following countries in February of 2009: Democratic Republic of the Congo, The People’s Republic of the Congo, Uganda and Kenya. I will provide this documentation in person to both Congress and attorneys. I will not distribute electronic copies of this documentation until the documentation has been reviewed by members of Congress or disclosed during Congressional investigations/hearings or entered in as evidence in eligibility litigation here in the United States or the United Kingdom.
2. How long were you in Kenya before you approached hospital personnel about obtaining Obama’s record?
Less than 10 days.
3. What convinces you that the document you have in your possession is a copy of his original hospital record? Is there any chance someone gave you a fake document and passed it off as real?
I have been analyzing Barack Obama’s Kenyan CPGH hospital birth certificate for more than one year. This document has withstood the test of time. It has never been discredited. On February 19, 2009 I personally entered Coast Province General Hospital under the guise that I was looking for my sister that had fallen ill while she was working Kenya. It wasn’t until I was inside of the hospital and face to face with administrative staff that I mentioned anything regarding my desire to procure (or purloin) a certified copy of Barack Obama’s original birth record. The significance of the guise was to eliminate any possibility that the hospital’s staff (seeing dollar signs) would be “waiting” for me with a forged or fake document.
4. How long did it take for hospital personnel to procure the document once you approached them about it (e.g., did it occur over a matter of weeks, or did you simply approach them one day, offer them money, and they got the document out of the files)?
On February 19th I personally entered Coast Province General Hospital in Mombasa, Kenya. While inside of the hospital I presented a member of the hospital’s administrative staff with $5000 US dollars, cash. I set the money down in front of them and told them that the money was theirs if they could bring me a certified copy of US President Barack Obama’s original hospital birth record. I stipulated that I was only allotting a small window of time for the staff member to fetch me the document. This member of the administrative staff returned, within the allotted time, with the certified copy of Obama’s original hospital birth record. I am not, at this time, disclosing to the public the specific time allotment. However, I can tell you that the time allotment was less than 45 minutes. The significance of the time allotment was to eliminate any possibility that the hospital’s staff (again seeing dollar signs) would have sufficient time to create a forged or fake document.
5. Since you have had the document since last summer, is there a reason why you chose to hold off on contacting Congress until now?
Going as far back as March of 2009 I have been contacting members of the United States Congress and other federal and state officials as well as attorneys. I actively contacted members of Congress and attorneys during March, April, May and June of 2009. I will use the euphemism of “unfavorable and unsuccessful” to effectively, and respectfully, articulate the responses that I received.
It was at that point, June 2009, that I ascertained that eBay was my only opportunity to garner publicity and bring Barack Obama’s Kenyan birth certificate to the attention of the whole world. I never had any intentions of selling the document. The world would have never known about Barack Obama’s original 1961 hospital birth record from the Protectorate of Kenya if it weren’t for the June – July 2009 eBay auctions.
The Lucas Daniel Smith 4th of July (2010) Letter to Congress is intended to serve as an official record of having informed all of Congress, each member, of Barack Obama’s Kenyan birth and the existence of the 2009 certified copy of Barack Obama’s 1961 Coast Province General Hospital Mombasa, British Protectorate of Kenya, birth record. The letter also directs their attention to a document that they themselves, i.e., US Congress, published in the 1990s which questioned the eligibility of individuals born abroad, of TWO US CITIZEN PARENTS, to hold the Office of President of the United States of America.
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On September 1, 2010, Mr. Smith reported to The Post & Email that letters containing the document he obtained from Kenya have been sent by certified mail to all members of Congress, funded by a private donor. The complete mailing, which is 3,945 pages long, is divided into eight links due to its size.
The letter to Senator Charles Grassley of Iowa begins:
Lucas Daniel Smith
1626 5th Avenue SE
Cedar Rapids, Iowa 52403
Lucas_d_Smith@live.com
319-804-0440
07.04.2010
United States Senator Charles Grassley
135 Hart Senate Office Building
Washington, DC 20510
202-224-3744
RE: Barack Obama was born in Kenya. I personally obtained from his birth hospital and now have in my possession a certified copy of his original birth record from the British Protectorate of Kenya.
Dear Senator Charles Grassley,
I am writing to you today regarding a matter of national security.
We may have spoken before. This letter will, in part, serve as my official record of my having contacted you regarding the above referenced subject matter.
The President of the United States of America is not eligible to serve as our President.
President Barack Hussein Obama II is not a natural born citizen of the United States of America. President Obama was born in Mombasa, British Protectorate of Kenya at the Coast Province General Hospital in 1961.
I, Lucas Smith, have proof of this.
Mr. Smith points out the following in regard to page 7 of the letter to members of the House of Representatives and Senate:
Senate Publication 103-21 (US Constitution) was sent to me almost 10 years ago from US Senator Charles Grassley. Last year, while in Africa, when I learned of Barack Obama’s Kenyan birth it was page 18 of this Senate published edition of the US Constitution that popped into the forefront my mind. Page 18 was instrumental in my decision to pursue this story of President Obama’s birth place and attempt to procure some sort of official Kenyan birth record of Mr. Barack Obama.
It was page 18 which contains the words of the late Johnny H. Killian:
This clause requires that in order to take oath of office a president must be 35, a resident within the United States for 14 years, and a natural-born citizen. This last requirement (natural-born citizen) raises the question of whether someone born to American parents outside of the United States would be eligible to hold the office (emphasis added by The Post & Email).
Mr. Johnny H. Killian advised Congress for more than 44 years on constitutional matters. As senior specialist in American public law at the Congressional Research Service, Mr. Killian was the person most often called upon when the constitutionality of a proposal was in question. Mr. Killian was also the editor of and major contributor to the 1972, 1982, 1992 and 2002 editions of “Constitution of the United States of America: Analysis and Interpretation,” nicknamed the Annotated, a seminal work on the judicial history of all constitutional amendments that is a standard text in U.S. law schools.”
More information on Johnny H. Killian can be found here.
Some have questioned the date format and other aspects of the document which Mr. Smith obtained, stating that it would have been written in the European format of day/month/year. However, Smith has provided an envelope which he claims is from Mombasa from 1897 showing a month/day/year format:
and made the following statement:
The stamps on the envelope are specifically from 1897. Furthermore, and more importantly, the British ran out of their own stamps sometime in 1897 and overprinted these Zanzibar stamps with the wording of “British East Africa”. A close look at the stamps on the envelope shows the “British East Africa” overprint. The overprint on the far right stamp has the easiest overprint to make out.
The narrative from the 1926 Encyclopedia Britannica which Mr. Smith utilized for his research containing the above map of Kenya appears below.
Page 635 provides the following historical statement on Kenya:
Change of Status.—During this period of strain the change from a protectorate to a crown colony was effected (July 1920). The new colony was named after Mount Kenya, the most commanding natural feature of the country. The coast lands which formed part of the Sultanate of Zanzibar were not annexed but became the Kenya Protectorate.
What will the members of Congress do once all of the letters are received? Can they continue to stonewall, insist that Obama has shown a valid birth certificate from Hawaii, and refuse to investigate? What other document issued in the United States comes close to resembling the document which Smith procured?
No hospital in the United States has claimed that Obama was born there. Only Governor Linda Lingle of Hawaii has stated that Obama was born at Kapiolani Medical Center, but a person formerly employed in the Hawaii Elections Office says that Obama “was not born in Hawaii” and that “the government there knows this.”
What if Dr. Fukino has been obfuscating and lying to keep the truth from the American people?
Can the judges continue to defend Obama’s right to keep his records hidden? If Obama is a fraud and ineligible to serve as president, what should be done?
THE ONLY CERTIFIED PICTURES of LUCAS SMITH IN AFRICA on the INTERNET
SEE IT HERE !!! SEE IT NOW !!!!
LINK HERE:
http://theautonomist.com/atnmst/bo_bc_files/obamma_bc_ebay6_bids.html
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The 2 photos in Africa shows Smith standing without his shirt (its hot) in front of an African ? slum
In the auction Smith says the following:
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Added two other photos of Lucas. These two photos are only listed to show the background neighborhood in Africa, which will be of relevance when documenting our story (explain later). These two photos are not for autograph.
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ALSO NOTICE the auction is titled:
Autographed photo of Smith and Andylenny abroad
although Smith doesn’t say (and never has said) that the pictures of him and Andylenny are in an Airport in Africa …he just says the picture is of them abroad
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NOW I know I am beating a dead horse here, but on the off chance that P&E writer Sharon Rondeau will do the right thing and contact Mr Smith asking him to explain these things or the chance that another inteviewer will read this and educate himself or herself before believing everything that Smith says, I will try to spell out some common sense problems with Smith’s tale.
One…. Smith first posted these picture of himself in Africa in July of ’09.
No one can verify that the pictures are of Africa and not of the Dominican Republic (where Smith has spent a good deal of his time).
Two…… Smith has never put another picture on the internet of himself in Africa even though he says he now says he has a plethora of documentation for his travels.
A decent journalist would ask why he can put up some pictures and not others that clearly show him in Africa.
A decent journalist would ask for some verification of that plethora of documents ( isn’t that what is being asked of Barrack Obama?)
Three…… the timeline questions:
Smith says the following:
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“This spring I traveled through Kenya and its capital Nairobi. I was overwhelmed by the ‘iconicized’ face of U.S. President Barack Obama that displays itself throughout the country. I had lunch at a small eatery and noticed that the club sandwich with fried plantains was now known as ‘Obama’s Plate of the Day,'” the seller wrote on the initial auction page. “As an American I was bombarded with questions in English (English is national language of Kenya) on my feelings and opinions of a Kenyan governing the United States of America. The first several times I responded in saying that not enough time had elapsed since Barack Obama’s appointment as president of the U.S.A., and that I’d have to hold my official opinion until at least January 2010, a year in office might be sufficient for me to judge his ability to govern the U.S.A.
“Naturally I thought that by ‘Kenyan’ they were referring to Barack Obama’s blood, being that his father Barack Obama Sr. was a native of Kenya. After a day and a half of my being in Nairobi I learned that they were literally referring to President Barack Obama Jr. as being born in Kenya, a native of Kenya.”
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This sounds as if his experiences that spring were before he procured the document as that experience led him to question where Obama was born. So which Spring is it? ’09 or ’08.
Smith does not talk about 2 trips to Africa (Spring and Winter)
Clearly because the document says he got it in February of ’09 he has had to change his story …and say that he went in the winter.
If I am wrong Mr Smith……
Please explain.
People and especially journalists need to use their brains rather than simply trust the words of a man who has the kind of past that Smith has.
Smith needs to provide some reasonable explanations (but he wont)
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Mrs. Rondeau replies: I have “done the right thing” and asked Lucas Smith for proof of travel. None has been forthcoming, or we would have reported it. Nowhere in The Post & Email’s article did we state that Mr. Smith’s story is true. We reported on his letter campaign to Congress, which was verifiable, and Smith’s own research which he submitted to us.
Im happy to hear that you have asked Mr Smith for some evidence of his travels. I am certain however that you will never receive any reasonable validation of his claims.
While the story of Mr Smith sending his document and his story to all Congressmen and women is somewhat interesting, without the most basic back up material Mr Smith’s story is just that…. a story. Congress will no doubt ignore it as the work of a crank
Look at what Mr Smith has put on line to back up his claims that he mailed his document to each and every Senator etc. He scanned thousands of pages. This is very odd behavior from someone who cant show anyone a picture of himself in what is unquestionably Africa.
If you ever do question Mr Smith again please ask him where his first video (in which he shows the Kenyan BC)was taken. Again he hasn’t said.
I am not the first one to ask a question without an answer but it seems to me the people at P&E would do well to dig a bit deeper and ask Mr Smith a few more pertinent questions.
If not maybe in the next “interview” of the daring Mr Smith the interviewers will do their homework and will not be willing to wait till hell freezes over to get an answer or two.
Question:
In one of Mr Smith’ first ebay auctions (I think the auction was in earlyJuly of ’09) he stated the following:
“This spring I traveled through Kenya and its capital Nairobi. I was overwhelmed by the ‘iconicized’ face of U.S. President Barack Obama that displays itself throughout the country. I had lunch at a small eatery and noticed that the club sandwich with fried plantains was now known as ‘Obama’s Plate of the Day,” (*see footnote)
I assume this can be found in other places on the internet but I found it in a
WND article:
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=102854
This makes me wonder about the timeline .
Did Smith travel twice to Kenya ?
Once in the winter (February ’09) and then again in the spring of ’09 ? or was it the spring of ’08?
If it was the Spring of ’09 why did Smith return to Kenya after daringly procuring this document ? was he afraid on the second trip?
Perhaps Mr Smith has spoken about this second trip and I missed it…or perhaps he simply mis-spoke.
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Also in an early auction Mr Smith stated the following:
“I want to make clear that this whole endeavor to obtain information on O’s birth was a three man job (more accurately 2 men and 1 lady). Andylenny. Smith. Dawnella Wilson. Smith and Andylenny are (due) the credit for actually getting their hands on the proof. Dawnella Wilson is due credit for financing the whole undertaking. The photo in this listing is up for auction. On the left is Smith and on the right is Andylenny. This photo will be signed by Smith, as Smith. This will be the only autographed photo put up for auction. One auction, one winning bidder, one photo. No more,”
this can also be found in a WND article:
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=102754
(If anyone can point us to some screen shots of these auctions …I think there were 6 of them , it could help clarify some other important points)
I believe the only verified picture of Mr Smith in Kenya which has appeared on the internet can be found in one of those auctions (Mr Smith was standing in front of a slum). Mr Smith has stated that this WAS Kenya twice now, once in the auction and once recently on Free Republic (thread sadly removed).
I find this surprising as Mr Smith states here on P&E that he has a “plethora” of evidence.
As to Andy Lenny and Dawnella Wilson I don’t think Mr Smith has mentioned them since.
If I am wrong ,can someone point me to it ?
I would love to hear more about these 2 people…I believe Mr Lenny is a native of Kenya…. (I hope he is safe )
Mr Smith posted a picture of the 2 of them together with a very cute child in what I assume is an airport in Kenya. (Mr Smith has yet to establish that however)
At one point it would have been possible to purchase the picture on ebay.
Just askin
Footnote: Mr Smith has uncovered evidence while using Google that plantains do indeed grow in Kenya or perhaps nearby.
Jon Carlson’s comment is not serious. It is a joke, or hoax. Children will play.
Having a foreigner in the White House destroying America is no laughing or joking matter. If you want to join a discussion keep the personal attacks to yourself.
The rule on ‘Obama’ documents is if it has the birthdate August 4, 1961 it is forged. The typeface is from a Royal standard manual typewriter circa 1961. I have one in a closet. See:
http://www.hoaxofthecentury.com/Annwriting1_files/Royal.jpg
Each and every typeface matches the Royal typeface to a T. Can he go to Thailand and check out the hospitals there?
We think ‘Obama’ may be related to the Thailand King but clearly he is from Thailand. The no eyelash eyes are clearly Asian. Not a single Negroid feature on his bod.
Is Obama a Thai Buddhist President?
http://www.hoaxofthecentury.com/ThaiPresident1.htm
So H2 may be saying that big consevative media may have been told that any challenge of eligibility is a trap and would result in the FCC re-instituting the hated fairness doctrine and doom talk radio.
And of course Fox TV News has to become MORE fair and balanced than perceived, whatever the h*** that means. Supporting the liberal leftist agenda in any way should not enter into any discussion of fairness or equal time, WTF.
An effective strategy by those leftists to neutralize the heavy hitters on the right to be sure.
When this issue of BHO not being eligible to be president first came up I thought; yea, right, some right wing nut jobs are spinning this. When the issue was avoided by the media and would not be discussed by the WH, I thought – this is being used as an opportunity to draw out some of the conservative talk types like Limbaugh or Beck and when they had hung their rear end out on the issue, boom – all the needed documents would appear, the nay sayers would be shamed and banished, and the fairness doctrine would be touted as necessary to save us from such hype. I kept waiting. Then, the underground media began to report that the president was spending millions to keep the challenges out of court. That’s odd, I thought. I wonder why they are waiting? There are only two possible answers: 1. Still waiting on the right “big right wing fish” to discredit with the issue. or 2. The allegations are true. If it is #1, there sure is a lot of money being spent to set the trap and the usual suspects – Limbaugh and Beck don’t seem to be biting. The longer this goes on the more I suspect it is #2.
I believe Lucas Smith should have his day in Court. After all is said and done Mr. Lucas confessed in his affidavit submitted to Judge Carter all the facts and were it wrong would put Lucas in prison under penalty for perjury for five years. That is important to consider here. Why didn’t Judge Carter hear the testimony as promised? Because Holder and Elena Kagen put a stooge into Carters chambers.
His “opinion” about what a Natural Born Citizen is belies his true intent.
No it doesn’t. How about we actually do something to help authenticate the CPGH document instead of looking for new ways to discredit Mr. Smith?
Here are some comments from Mr. Smith on authentication of the CPGH, (Coast Provincial General Hospital), document:
I (Lucas) have always welcomed examination of the CPGH document. I have never turned down an offer. I have, in the last several months, received a few phone calls in which I was asked if I would submit the document for examination if they paid the fees $$$. I said YES, and was very happy to say YES! Each caller turned out to be a BIG TALKER, but no action. I never heard from them again.
About a year ago WND claimed that I walked away from their “team” of authenticators. Oh my god, I want throw up now. There never was any “team”. And I called them out on that in a couple of videos that I have made throughout the last year. I’ve often challenged WND to give me just one or two names of this “team” of authenticators. The only team they had was Corsi, Drew and Farah. And as you know, I’ve categorically debunked their “findings”.
Lastly, I always welcome examination of the CPGH Obama document. So far, no one has offered to pay the fees which would be in the thousands of dollars. I’ve been quoted at times with $300 per day and been told that it could takes weeks, if not months, to complete the job. I can’t afford that.
One more note, and an important one at that. The CPGH document can begin the authentication process at any moment by anyone. The method to authenticate is to verify that data on the document. People could have been doing that for the last 13 months (like I have been doing). The CPGH document is plastered in thousands of places around the Internet. It’s not difficult to find.
Notice how the “skeptics” wont discuss obvious methods of authentication such as……..finding signatures to compare with the 1961 birth doctor and also the 1961 supervisor. Notice how that sort of thing is “overlooked”.
Greetings:
This website has organized some of the links to official information on the topic of eligibility. The information is highly objective and is simply presented for your consideration.
Here are links to pages on the topic: http://tradewithdave.com/?p=293
http://tradewithdave.com/?p=1772
http://tradewithdave.com/?p=1891
Why isn’t anyone bringing up the most obvious question: WHY would Obama spend $2 million in legal fees in order to keep from presenting his real birth certificate if there wasn’t something very fishy going on? I know it would be a tough question for me: Hmmmm . . . let’s see, present my birth certificate, or spend $2 MILLION to keep from presenting it. Yeah, that would be a tough question, alright.
I suppose because the facts you mention require common sense in order to be connected to Obama’s obvious ineligibility, something the Obots either do not possess or are unwilling to admit they do.
I have brought it up many, many times. They usually blow if off with “well, he could be hiding something else.”
The obvious, someone get BO’s footprint and compare
How, exactly, do you explain that baby’s footprint ? Did someone in the office have an exceptionally small foot if the document is forged ? I believe this document more than I give credence to the suspect one from Hawaii.
Lord, let it be so !
The thing from Hawaii is not a birth certificate like the one shown in this article. The Hawaii thing just acknowledges Obama was hatched from a test tube and nothing more. The one in the article looks like something we have all seen before.
In the Orly Taitz Barnett case order on page 26 Judge Carter says even if Kenya authenticated a BC such as the Lucas Smith CPGH BC, a Hawaii state authenticated COLB would be given greater credibility in his court. In other words in comparing an authenticated BC from a third world foreign state to an authenticated BC from a US state, Carter would “favor” the US state document.
“Plaintiffs appear to assume that should the Court receive a document from
Kenya, the Court would give credence to this document over the American birth records of the President and the case would be resolved. Even should the Court permit the issuance of a letter rogatory to Kenya, the Court would still engage in a comparative exercise in which the records of America, which has historically maintained some of the most credible recordkeeping practices in the world, would be contrasted with the credibility of the records obtained from Kenya. Such an analysis would seemingly favor the records of the United States.”
http://www.scribd.com/doc/21815599/KEYES-BARNETT-v-OBAMA-89-ORDER-by-Judge-David-O-Carter-REGARDING-DEFENDANTS-MOTION-TO-DISMISS-56-See-document-for-details-Defendants-Moti
In my (non-lawyer) opinion, only if and when Obama’s HI COLB is successfully challenged by exposing the underlying “vital records” as being sufficiently inconclusive to allow a foreign Kenya birth will a federal court take an authenticated Kenyan CPGH BC seriously.
In the meantime numerous specific features of Lucas Smith’s BC have been authenticated and none to my knowledge have been conclusively debunked.
Lucas Smith’s efforts in sending letters to Congress helps build public pressure in the court of public opinion to demand discovery of Obama’s concealed HI “vital records” and to demand that Obama voluntarily release those records in the interest of transparency.
The weird thing about Judge Carter’s statement is that Obama should have been able to submit a legal Hawaiian birth certificate to the court if he truly has one; however, out of dozens of cases, he never has. There shouldn’t be any reason to speculate over what Obama has and can present in court, and the COLB clearly says it is prima facie evidence IF presented in court. So why has it never been seen in any court of law??
this is fake, the birth certificate would read Barry Soetoro
right ? Either he changed his name or not ? So which is it ?
To Joe, your sequence to the latter name of barry soetero is post birth much later.Like, after divorce with Obama I to then Indonesian husband II Lolo Soetero. Sorry, your name change chronology is years off.
I read with interest Dr. Ron Pollard (Polarik), making statements that Lucas Smith had not had the document authenticated, when in fact, I “Personally” contacted Dr. Ron Pollard and asked him if he would be interested in authenticating the document, in cooperation with, or singularly, with Dr. Sandra Lines. I have kept his response, where he declined the project, I also have a copy from Sandra Lines, who stated that Dr. Ron Pollard is not known in the Forensic Document community, and that it would be expensive, but she would consider the assignment. For Ron Pollard to make such heinous statements is indicative of his character IMO. While he is one moment introspective and convivial, the next moment he is not. Lucas Smith has consistently defened his position against ALL comers, and there was a time when I was one of his biggest pains in the neck. He was so definitive with his answers that only a handful, some of which have replied here, dog him today.
He is more than willing to have it authenticated by any qualified forensic analyst, any time, but its expensive, and he is not rich. At his youtube website we are all willing to kick in to pay for it, but, think of this, it just may be a career ender for the Forensic Examiner, people are not so willing to depose the sitting President of the United States. More than one person has lost his job, been dogged by the IRS, etc.
I suggest that someone or some organization with deeper pockets that Joe the Plumber, and every day citizens, pony up the cash for the scoop of a lifetime. Perhaps the Post and Mail will finance the examination. It needs media attention and protection.
Good Luck Lucas Smith, where there is a will there is a way. Dr. Ron Pollard (aka Polarik) your lying if you continue to state that he has denied you access to this document. You turned it down, and I have your e-mail to prove it.
Also, those who frequent FreeRepublic.com…Nobody, and I mean nobody mentions Lucas Smith (Inspector Smith) there or they are banned. I was, and there is no redress. No explanation. At least not to me. But a stern warning was issued, that I have a copy of, that warns people not to post about him, the subject, or anywhere he is interviewed, including this interview. I think they should change the name of the website to MYPERSONALFREEREPUBLIC_MYRULES.com at least it would be honest.
I must make a comment here regarding the Lucas Smith sanity question. I have been on a Federal Grand Jury in the Eastern District of Virginia in Alexandria, Virginia. I served for one year. At no time did the question of the sanity of anyone come into play when exhibits were entered into evidence. I was privy to testimony from a man that obtained a fake driver’s license for one of the 9-11-2001 attackers. I saw a letter from a man that threatened President George W. Bush with death. At no time was that man’s sanity questioned. He had committed a federal crime. End of story. The letter became evidence. Period.
Stop questioning whether or not Mr. Lucas has all of his marbles. It does not matter. I don’t care if he does or not. What matters is his evidence. Period.
My non-lawyer interpretation of the Federal Rules of Evidence (FRE) is that only Kenyan officials can authenticate Lucas Smith’s CPGH BC to a level that would permit it to be entered into evidence in federal court. No expert that WND could supposedly obtain to “authenticate” the document could meet that standard. In contrast a US COLB issued by a state is “self-authenticating”.
It makes no sense to me to disparage Lucas Smith on the basis that he has failed to obtain WND authentication (worthless in US federal court) or Kenyan authentication when such authentication would be politically explosive both in Kenya and the US and could easily be influenced by bribery or blackmail in Kenya.
See:
http://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/fre/rules.htm
Federal Rules of Evidence (FRE)
Rule 902. Self-authentication
Extrinsic evidence of authenticity as a condition precedent to admissibility is not required with respect to the following:
(3) Foreign public documents. A document purporting to be executed or attested in an official capacity by a person authorized by the laws of a foreign country to make the execution or attestation, and accompanied by a final certification as to the genuineness of the signature and official position (A) of the executing or attesting person, or (B) of any foreign official whose certificate of genuineness of signature and official position relates to the execution or attestation or is in a chain of certificates of genuineness of signature and official position relating to the execution or attestation. A final certification may be made by a secretary of an embassy or legation, consul general, consul, vice consul, or consular agent of the United States, or a diplomatic or consular official of the foreign country assigned or accredited to the United States. If reasonable opportunity has been given to all parties to investigate the authenticity and accuracy of official documents, the court may, for good cause shown, order that they be treated as presumptively authentic without final certification or permit them to be evidenced by an attested summary with or without final certification.
But if this ever gets adjudicated, wouldn’t the burden of proof be on obama to produce an authenticated birth certificate and school and other records which could support it? Lucas Smith has no way to authenticate it himself, nor really should he. The fraud in the WH needs to man up to the deception and take his lumps. Like in prison…
Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. was born Aug. 4, 1961. Matters not if BHO, Jr. was born in the Lincoln Bedroom in the White House! He is, by the laws of America, England and Kenya, was born a Muslim into the same tribe as BHO, Sr. who was born a Muslim into the Luo tribe from Nyang’oma Kogelo, Nyanza Province, Kenya, which at the time was still a British colony.
The Law of Nations, a 1758 work by Swiss legal philosopher Emmerich de Vattel, was read by many of the American Founders and informed their understanding of the principles of law, which became established in the Constitution of 1787.
Emmerich de Vattel writes in Book 1, Chapter 19, of his treatise, “The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens.” As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights…In order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.
“Since the Office of the U.S. President is a constitutional office, and that which is the pinnacle of authority and power among all the other offices; it follows that the usurpation of the U.S. Presidency is the greatest crime of usurpation which can be committed in the United States: because it violates the Supreme Law of the Land, the Constitution, and the supreme office created by that Constitution, and touches upon every aspect of the political order, since this office holds supreme authority over the military, and is the supreme representative of We the People.”
“Thus the crime of the usurpation of the Presidency is the greatest crime against the entire Nation, against the Constitution, against the citizens, and against the end or purpose of the government, which is the life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness of each citizen. Considering that the U.S. is the dominate world power, such a crime effects also all the inhabitants of the earth.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwhKuunp8D8&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCAffMSWSzY&feature=player_embedded
So the certificate isn’t authenticated, and Lucas doesn’t want it authenticated. He paid some stranger in another country five grand for this piece of paper, going on nothing but the stranger’s word, and he thinks he has the real document? Lmao!
I can understand why Lucas Smith gets a wee bit testy when I see how absurdly intent people are on discrediting the Kenyan birth certificate by endless ad hominem attacks on Smith’s personality and his past. Maybe Ron Polland could authenticate or not authenticate the Kenyan BC, but the rest of us can only deal with the document’s face validity–which is extremely high compared to the purported Hawaiian secondary document upon which Obama has staked his presidency.
By trashing Smith people are in effect supporting and defending Soetero/Obama. Some no doubt intend that effect, but I hope that some of the trashing is just misguided instead of malicious. Tom’s over-zealous attempt to portray Smith as insane is clearly malicious.
and you are grasping at a pic on a website that is proof of NOTHING, just like Obama’s COLB pic on a website is proof of nothing.
I have never claimed that the Kenyan birth cert was “proof” of anything. I do say it is much higher in face validity than its opposing document, the COLB pic, for reasons I’ve explained previously.
Practically speaking, until the truth is definitively ascertained, we do have to choose with whom to stand on birth-documentation, either Obama and his COLB or Smith and his Kenyan BC. Theoretically they could both be lying, but their documents are obviously mutually exclusive, and it is a cop-out to just blow them both off. One of them is clearly evidence of fraud. It is unlikey they are both frauds. Congress or the courts must investigate and find out the truth, but in the meantime I find Smith’s BC far more credible than Obama’s COLB.
Which is why we should all call our members of Congress, each and every one has received a certified and notarized copy of Mr. Smith’s Obama Kenyan birth certificate, and Smith’s explanation of how he acquired it. We should demand Congress investigate both Obama’s COLB and Mr. Smith’s Kenyan Obama BC until we do have something.
Mr. Smith has said he will be glad to testify in front of Congress.
This won’t likely happen because it would force the issue into the so-called maiin stream news, something the Obots fear and will do anything to prevent.
The “nothing” we will see will most likely be Congressional action of any kind on this issue……not going to stop me from trying though.
YOU COULD NOT BE MORE WRONG
GO TO SMITH’S “YOUTUBE” PAGE COMMENTS SECTION TAKE IT ALL IN( I HAVE READ NEARLY EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM)
YOU WILL, OBJECTIVELY, ARRIVE AT THE SAME CONCLUSION
IF THERE IS ANYTHING THAT I AM, IT IS FAIR-MINDED, TO A FAULT, MANY WOULD ARGUE- AND THIS MAN’S ACTIONS ARE UNFORGIVABLE REGARDLESS OF THE EXCUSE YOU OFFER HIM
IT IS ALL THERE FOR YOU
IT IS NOT MY PORTRAYAL
IT IS THE CHARACTER’S OWN SELF-PORTRAIT
You seem to be so obsessed with the messenger that you cannot see the message. This is not about judging the character or emotional/mental status of Lucas Smith. It is about the monumental question of whether we have an alien as our chief executive and commander of all our armed forces. We need to focus on the eligibility ssue and not be thrown off the track by the allure of judging Smith’s personality.
Smith has produced powerful evidence–not yet verified by legal authority, not “proof,” but evidence nevertheless–that is highly useful in addressing the issue of Obama’s eligibility. And it just may turn out to be the honest truth. How do you know it isn’t?
The great thing isTom,
It’s going to the right people, The congress, the Senate and the courts. So you don’t have to worry about Smith, America will judge its validity rest assured Tom
ALLURE? –TO ATTACKING SMITH? YOU MUST BE KIDDING– I FIND THE WHOLE THING REPUGNANT SMITH IS A DISTRACTION I WILL AGREE WITH YOU THERE AND THAT IS WHY I FINALLY CHOSE TO SPEAK UP WHEN HE WENT BACK ON THE WARPATH- LAUNCHING A RECENT SERIES OF BIZARRE , DISGUSTING ATTACKS DIRECTED, NOT ONLY AT MYSELF BUT OTHERS WHO ARE SIMILARLY, WORKING FEVERISHLY TO GET THE TRUTH OUT–AT GREAT COST-IN MANY INSTANCES- IN THE PROCESS IMPUGNING OUR INTEGRITY AND MOTIVES THROUGH GROTESQUE DISTORTIONS OF OUR POSITIONS AND OUTLANDISH MIS-CHARACTERIZATIONS OF THE NATURE OF OUR EFFORTS
UNLIKE SMITH, I’VE LEAD AN EXEMPLARY LIFE AND MY REPUTATION IS ABOVE REPROACH I HAVE HAD MERCILESS ABUSE HEAPED UPON MY PERSON FOR THE STANCE THAT I HAVE TAKEN-NOT LIMITED TO CYBERSPACE
DIRECT THE LECTURES ON SELF-RESTRAINT- ELSEWHERE I HAVE MAINTAINED SINGULAR FOCUS ON THE PRIMARY ISSUE AT HEART IN THIS MATTER/DEBACLE NOT TO MENTION SPENT THE EQUIVALENT OF 20,000 DOLLARS TRYING TO EDUCATE THE IGNORANT , ANESTHETIZED MASSES
FOLKS,THIS IS THE LATEST TIRADE FROM A CLEARLY DERANGED Mr SMITH – EXTRAIT- RIGHT FROM “THE HORSE’S MOUTH”
(note: I could spend time dissecting this madness but it should be obvious,
by now,* that the man is disturbed.(He has brought the issue of his mental stability to the fore with these unwarranted attacks ) No responsible, reasonably intelligent person, has sought to remove entirely “the soil”/the concept of jus soli- from the NBC prescription ; or “kill the birth-certificate & place of birth claims” as Smith “accusatorially” & repeatedly shouts –the most recent targets of his wrath are featured in his shocking rant recounted below)
InspectorSmith:
InspectorSmith (6 minutes ago)
Just about the while world knows that president Obama’s father was from Kenya and was not an American. President (de facto) has always been proud to admit this fact. Everyone in our government here knows, for certain, that Barack Obama’s father was not a US Citizen. A good majority of Americans understand that too.
What most people don’t know about is the fact that president Obama was born abroad. AND IM SICK of little punks like reddawn2011 and kiiifute1 that spend days and nights posting around the Internet statements to the effect that it’s ONLY THE PARENTS CITIZENSHIP determines whether their child is natural born.
Great argument guys. You guys should become lawyers. Your strategy is so effective. Mean while keep doing your best to KILL the birth certificate and place of birth claims. After all, birth place is just not important, right?
Punks.
If you’d like to witness the latest incidence of Mr Smith’s temper on exhibit …just go over to his “Youtube” page’s ‘comments section'(Sept 8-9) and marvel at his irrational response to a post which,quite cryptically-mind you, takes him to task for his irresponsible & reckless behavior* here at “thepostemail” comments area
It’s scary
* eg conflation of ‘citizen’ with ‘natural born citizen’, along with a whole host of grotesque distortions of others’ work; previously well-articulated, reasoned & logical arguments —Smith’s, deliberate or not, “mis-construances” and outright inaccurate characterizations of these ideas & positions is indicative of someone who is not “all there” for lack of a better way of describing his condition
Mr. Smith,
The Attorney General for the Commonwealth of Virginia, Mr. Ken Cuccinelli , Richmond, Virginia, may be able to use this information in his litigation against the Federal Government regarding the Healthcare bill. I do know that Mr. Cuccinelli has questioned the birthplace of Obama, and has successfully survived the Motion to Dismiss phase of the lawsuit. Please consider mailing one more letter, in hopes that we can end this charade.
Thank you!
Several months ago Lucas Smith is the one that discovered the 01/20/2010 Mary Ang’awa interview in Kenya’s “The Daily Nation” newspaper.
Here is a thread that Lucas Smith (InspectorSmith) started six months ago at Freerepublic.com back on March, 5th 2010. Over 800 comments.
“President Obama’s birth doctor, James Ang’awa, was neighbors with Barack Obama Senior in the 1960s”
http://209.157.64.200/focus/bloggers/2465278/posts
Here is a video created by Lucas Smith (InspectorSmith) over six months go and uploaded to his Youtube page on March, 5th 2010. 1500 views.
“President Obama’s birth doctor, James Ang’awa, was neighbors with Barack Obama Senior in the 1960s”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynNL4q-GgzA
Here is the AllAfrica.com article which they picked up from the articles original source of The Daily Nation.
Here is original article (January 30, 2010) from The Daily Nation.
“Kenya: You Are Forgiven, Judge Tells Her Father’s Killer”
http://www.nation.co.ke/News/-/1056/852638/-/vpwp0l/-/index.html
My last posted comment on this topic:
That it’s been in his possession for a year and half without him accepting any of the numerous offers to have it verified is suspicious in and of itself. (Who here would sit on the “smoking gun” for the last year and half as they watched this country be torn apart and brought to her knees by the Oilbama regime? Not I.) That he supposedly sent a copy to each congress critter (let’s see those returned proof of delivery cards, please) means nothing, knowing that all he has to do, if called out for mailing a fake, is to claim that he believed it to be real when he sent it. If Smith isn’t confident enough to put the document to test, then neither am I. Until Smith’s document is authenticated, I remain a disbeliever.
If you have a lot of time you can go to Mr. Smith’s Scribd account and look up the USPS certification number on each hand-addressed envelope to each member of Congress. I did that for my two senators and my congressman and their letters have been received at their DC offices.
Mr. Smith’s account is here:
http://www.scribd.com/Patriot1980
This is one of the certification notices:
Label/Receipt Number: 7010 0780 0000 1167 5933
Class: First-Class Mail®
Service(s): Certified Mail™
Status: Delivered
Your item was delivered at 6:14 am on September 07, 2010 in WASHINGTON, DC 20510.
That one is for Senator Blanche Lincoln.
seizethecarp, I don’t know if there was more than one affidavit by Smith about Taitz, but in the one here, Smith gets down and dirty in his tell-all.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/21451147/Lucas-Daniel-Smith-10-12-09-new-Declaration-SACV09-00082-DOC-Anx
You should read it all but at least be sure to read from page 11, Roman numeral XII through at least the first paragraph of XIII on page 12. Notice the date of Smith’s initial calls to DeJute is the date of the throw down between him and Taitz. Had he won that one and had gotten the money from Taitz that he’d asked for that day, I wonder if his “inner turmoil” would have still prompted him to contact the atty for the defendent that evening. (That’s a lie as I don’t wonder about that at all.)