Are there multiple records of Obama’s Selective Service registration?


by Sharon Rondeau

Did Obama register for the Selective Service?

(Mar. 8, 2010) — According to The Sonoran News, when two people requested Obama’s Selective Service registration through the Freedom of Information Act, each received a computer printout with different information.

In a televised interview with George Stephanopoulos on September 7, 2008, Obama stated, “I had to sign up for Selective Service when I graduated from high school…in 1979.”  However, the requirement to register with the Selective Service had been suspended in 1975 and was not reinstated until 1980.

According to the Selective Service, “Federal and many state laws require registration-age men to be registered with Selective Service to remain eligible for applying for the following benefits: student financial aid, government employment, employment with the U.S. Postal Service, job training, and U.S. citizenship for male immigrants.”

The Sonoran News reports that “The Military Selective Service Act required men born in the calendar year 1961 to register on any of the six days beginning Monday, July 28, 1980.”

Mr. J. Stephen Coffman sent in a request for Obama’s Selective Service registration form on October 13, 2008.  When he received the information along with a letter from Mr. Richard S. Flavahan, Associate Director for Public Affairs and Intergovernmental Affairs, he noted that the computer date stamp showed “September 9, 2008,” which was more than a month before he made his FOIA request.  It also happened to be two days after Obama’s televised interview with George Stephanopoulos.

The accompanying computer printout which Coffman received was labeled “RIMS History Inquiry Screen.”  The registration number on the Selective Service form was 61-1125539-1.

Mr. Kenneth Allen sent in a FOIA request for Obama’s Selective Service registration form in February 2009.  The computer printout he received was entitled “Registrant File Inquiry Report.”  The registration number was 61-1125539-1, the same as on the form Coffman received.

However, each Selective Service record is assigned a DLN, or Document Locator Number.  While both Coffman’s and Allen’s registration forms contained the ten-digit Document Locator Number (DLN) 0897080632 in the upper right-hand corner, the computer printouts differed.  Coffman’s computer printout was entitled “RIMS History Inquiry Screen” and showed a DLN of 8089 708 0632.   Allen’s computer printout was titled “Registrant File Inquiry Report” and showed a DLN of 0897 080 6320.

Two DLNs could indicate two sets of records.

The Sonoran News also stated that while the computer printout which Allen received showed an update to Obama’s record was made on June 25, 1991, the information Coffman received did not.

According to the Selective Service System website, “The Selective Service System conducts a continuous registration program from National and Region Headquarters. Shortly after he registers, each registrant is mailed a Registration Acknowledgment as verification of his registration and the information shown in his registration record. Registrant records are updated periodically to keep them current.”

A WorldNetDaily article dated November 7, 2009, quotes Mr. Flavahan explaining that the “089″ at the beginning of the DLN for Obama’s Selective Service form indicated that it had been keyed in by the Internal Revenue Service.  However, that explanation does not shed light on why the computer printout which Coffman received showed a DLN beginning with “808.”

This is not the first time that Obama’s purported Selective Service registration has been questioned.  Debbie Schlussel, an attorney and blogger, reported shortly after the presidential election that the Selective Service registration form provided to “a retired federal agent” showed signs of forgery.  At that time, the requester made the following statement regarding the documentation he had received:

Having worked for the Federal Government for several decades, I know that the standardization of DLNs have the first two digits of the DLN representing the year of issue. That would mean that this DLN was issued in 2008. The DLN on the computer screen printout is the exact same number, except an 8 has been added to make it look like it is from 1980 and give it a 1980 DLN number. And 1980 is the year Senator/President Elect Obama is said to have timely registered. So, why does the machine-stamped DLN reflect this year (2008) and the DLN in the database (which was manually input) reflect a “corrected” DLN year of 1980? Were all the DLNs issued in 1980 erroneously marked with a 2008 DLN year or does the Selective Service use a different DLN system then the rest of the Federal Government? Or was the SSS Form 1 actually processed in 2008 and not 1980?

Ken Allen made the following statement to The Post & Email on March 7, 2010 regarding the differences in the documents which he and Coffman received several months earlier and reported on by The Sonoran News:

I didn’t know what to expect when I got the SS records. So I compared them to Debbie Schlussel’s and found a few differences. The document I got should have been identical to all the others but they weren’t.   Then Linda (Bentley, reporter at The Sonoran News) and I started emailing, talking about the SS documents and I sent her a copy to compare with any that she might get from her FOIA’s. You read what she found, all I know is that every document regarding Obama has some serious flaws. That’s another reason I filed my suit.  A question for anyone, why would Obama seal “all” of his records and then let Selective Service release these documents? This is proof that not all documents regarding Obama are Exempt under the FOIA, these are considered personal records and according to Judge Zapata are exempt.

The Post & Email covered Allen v. Soetoro here.

According to The Sonoran News, “Once issued, DLNs do not change.”

However, at some point after 1980, DLNs were extended from ten digits to 11.  As reported by WorldNetDaily, “The government reports at the signing by Obama in 1980, Document Locator Numbers were only 10 digits, an identifier that later was changed by the Selective Service to be 11 to help track them.”  The same agent who responded to both Allen and Coffman, Mr. Flahavan, told WND:  “The field was later expanded to 11 digits to accommodate the decade change in 1990 and subsequent decades to avoid duplication of some Document Locator Numbers.”

The Sonoran News stated that the 11-digit configuration “appears to be consistent with registrations added after 1980, and possibly not until 1982.”

The Sonoran News reports that it recently received 17 Selective Service records through a FOIA request filed within the same time frame as Obama’s required registration.  All 17 records contain a four-digit year in the date stamp on the Selective Service System Registration Form, while the same form sent to both Coffman and Allen on Obama contains a two-digit, off-center date stamp.

Allen’s Version of the Documents

The documents below were extracted from PDFs released to The Post & Email from Ken Allen:

Selective Service Registration Form released to Ken Allen through his FOIA request which shows two-digit year. Other SS forms from the exact same time released to the Sonoran News all show four-digit years.

Computer Printout received by Ken Allen with access date of September 9, 2008, indicating that a change was entered on June 25, 1991. The printout which Coffman received bore no such date.

Letter from Richard Flavahan to Ken Allen sent with SS form and computer printout. It is unusual for a federal employee to make any type of statement about the documents being provided.

On December 29, 2008, The Obama Conspiracy compared the signature on Obama’s purported SS form to his signature on a presidential candidate form:

Nagging Questions Remain

Did Obama actually ever register with the Selective Service? If so, did he register late?  If he registered at all,  which birth certificate did he present?  Would the COLB shown during the 2008 presidential campaign have been enough?

The Sonoran News has stated that “It became obvious records were created after the fact for Obama and were later changed.”

Why has this record been made available to the public through FOIA requests, but his birth certificate, college records, school records, medical records, and passport records have not?

Was an amendment to Obama’s Selective Service file made in 1991 or not?

Why are there two different DLNs for the same SS record?

Why was the record accessed on September 9, 2008, two days after Obama appeared on national TV during the campaign discussing his registration with the Selective Service?  Could any FOIA requests resulting from the television interview already have been received at that time by Mr. Flahavan’s office?  Was someone trying to cover for Obama and therefore accessed his file soon after his public misstatement of fact?

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17 Responses to Are there multiple records of Obama’s Selective Service registration?

  1. AXJ

    Wednesday, April 7, 2010 at 1:04 AM

    Come on guys….give it up…nobody is going to make him release his birth certificate because he just doesn’t have one…do you really think Hillary is in that position because she is a good Secretary of State?? Funny how she was going to let the world know the truth just before OBAMA offered her the position. Now everything is covered up…boy the American People stand for a lot…of POLITICAL PRISONERS don’t they?

  2. charlene

    Wednesday, March 10, 2010 at 11:36 PM

    There is something about the spelling of Barack as compared to Barrack. A Kenyan friend of Barrack Sr. pointed out that senior used two R”s in the spelling of his name. I saved the article on an old computer, but it stands out in my memory. Does Anyone else have it?

  3. TexomaEd

    Wednesday, March 10, 2010 at 12:07 AM

    Excellent material and analysis, Jean. I emailed some excerpts of this information to Orly Taitz, who would be someone who could something with the information.


    Tuesday, March 9, 2010 at 7:17 PM

    I wonder if the 1991 Change form has anything to do witha name change from Soetoro to Obama

  5. JeanWTPUSA

    Tuesday, March 9, 2010 at 4:36 PM

    I wondered about the dates too. However, according to the SS requirements for registration, Obama would have had to sign up for Selective Service on WED, THU or FRI of that week, given the fact that his B-Day is later in the year. Those born in 1961 had to register for SS the following week after the registration for those born in 1960 started. The registration for those born in 1960 started on Monday, July 21st.

    I guess one could claim that the date stamp may have been on the SS form from the previous day and that Obama signed over the stamp, we would have to find the person that registered him to know for sure. Could be this person is still alive, as he was registered in 1980.

  6. Hammer Down

    Tuesday, March 9, 2010 at 9:00 AM

    “Why has this record been made available to the public through FOIA requests, but his birth certificate, college records, school records, medical records, and passport records have not?”

    Apparently, the only documents that the public are allow to see are bogus documents.

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  8. Flintlock

    Tuesday, March 9, 2010 at 7:34 AM

    What do we actually KNOW about Mr. O?
    No ‘document’ of his produced so far passes the smell test.
    Nearly every fact from birth to disbarrment (of wifey, too) has been ‘sealed’ so that we cannot access it.
    Such ‘sealing’ has cost a whole buncha $–and counting.
    So–he has to be hiding SOMETHING, and something IMPORTANT, something DANGEROUS to him.
    By the way, those Kenyan relatives of his who witnessed his birth there are ALL LIARS.

  9. JeanWTPUSA

    Tuesday, March 9, 2010 at 6:24 AM


    Regarding Obama’s SS “Classification” as noted on the above print out. Obama has been classified as “1H” Class 1-H: Registrant Not Subject to Processing for Induction.

    According to the info I read at the link above, Obama would have asked for this “Classification” otherwise, he would have received a Class 1A: Available for unrestricted military service.

    I wasn’t too sure what Class 1H was, until I came across this thread regarding Karl Rove. Titled Karl Rove’s special Draft Classification.

    This seems to indicate that Class 1H NEVER gets drafted with no explanation why. However, even if this is true, according to the information I have read on Selective Service Classifications,
    you will see that when someone registers for the Selective Service and requests a different Classifications other than 1A, (see. § 1633.2 Claim for other than Class 1-A.) that that person will have to provide supporting evidence to the local selective service board.

    This means that Obama MUST have provided evidence as to WHY he felt that he qualified for this Classification. That means that the Selective Service MUST have additional written documentation on Obama in his Selective Service file that they have NOT released. Probably because no one asked for it, specifically, under the previous FOIA requests.

    Please read through this carefully, as it might be a source of add’l information in trying to find out the TRUTH about Obama.

  10. JeanWTPUSA

    Tuesday, March 9, 2010 at 5:44 AM

    According to the SS Proclamation that required males born in 1960 and 1961 to register (see below) “each person SHALL present for inspection reasonable evidence of his identity.” However, we note that Obama’s SS Registration form indicates that “no ID” was provided.

    If Obama DID NOT comply with the SS registration regulations (note the word SHALL) then he may not be eligible to hold public office. (see

    Maybe someone could make this argument in Court. That Obama willfully withheld documentation that would verify his identity to the selective service upon registering because he was, in fact, an illegal alien. I wonder what type of “Classification” Obama would then have received if he was drafted. Therefore, in court anyway, wouldn’t Obama have to prove, that at the time he registered, he actually had a valid ID (i.e., Certificate of Live Birth). And, wouldn’t he be required to produce it. And wouldn’t the person challenging his registration have the opportunity to verify the information he presents? Maybe this is a back door approach at getting at the BC and TRUTH about Obama.

    Also, Obama’s lack of ID, makes me wonder about what type of ID Obama presented to get a Driver’s license or State ID. I wonder if a FOIA request to the state of HI, CA, NY and IL DMV is in order because these are all states in which Obama resided?

    Could the DMV have a photocopy of Obama’s BC? If not, at least they should have indicated what type of “identification” Obama provided when applying for his Driver’s license.

    Surely it’s worth a shot, right? Anyone?

    Lastly, what about the Census form which Obama would have had to complete in 1980, 1990 and 2000. Is there anything of value on this form that would prove or disprove Obama’s citizenship status? Is the Census form available under the FOIA? Anyone know?

    Anyway, here’s Jimmy Carter’s proclamation which specifically states that a person SHALL present for inspection reasonable evidence of his identity.

    Proclamation 4771–Registration Under the Military Selective Service Act

    Source: The provisions of Proclamation 4771 of July 2, 1980, appear at 45 FR 45247, 3 CFR, 1980 Comp., p. 82, unless otherwise noted.

    1-3. Manner of Registration.

    1-301. Persons who are required to be registered shall comply with the registration procedures and other rules and regulations prescribed by the Director of Selective Service.

    1-302. When reporting for registration each person shall present for inspection reasonable evidence of his identity. After registration, each person shall keep the Selective Service System informed of his current address.

  11. Trac

    Monday, March 8, 2010 at 11:02 PM

    Just once, just to break the monotony, I wish just one time someone could request information on Obama and it would come back looking, smelling and acting like an honest to goodness legitimate document that shows no signs of forgery or duplicity. You know…just to break the monotony and the predictability of it all! And yet….he’s still the president… how can that be?

    Mrs. Rondeau replies: We don’t refer to him as president here, as he is a usurper, any way you look at it. He happens to be occupying the Oval Office illegally now but will eventually be exposed for the fraud that he is.

  12. Terry Z

    Monday, March 8, 2010 at 10:27 PM


    Has anyone noticed that obama signed the form above on July 30th but the official seal/notary is dated July 29th? seems odd or fishy… every form I ever signed that had to be notarized or had a gov’t seal was either on the same day or afterwards… or am I missing something???

  13. Linda

    Monday, March 8, 2010 at 10:13 PM


    Have you or any of the others who have already FOIA’d thought of inquiring as to the DLN that pertains to the 6/25/1991 transaction? Shouldn’t the form relating to that date also be released? Especially since it was given its own DLN.

  14. TexomaEd

    Monday, March 8, 2010 at 9:07 PM

    Perhaps nothing, but Obama’s first name is misspelled in Flahavan’s letter. It has it as Barrack vs. the correct spelling of Barack.

  15. yo

    Monday, March 8, 2010 at 9:07 PM

    This is a very good update to the sonora article. Helps to understand the issues better.

    Boggles the mind that there is so much evidence of improprieties and nobody will touch it in the mainstream. I just hope we don’t have to wait till 2012 for the state proposed laws to kick in to finally get to the bottom of it all.

  16. PBasse

    Monday, March 8, 2010 at 7:14 PM

    Here is a video of the SS I have saved…The B-Cast: Examination of Obama Selective Service Registration Raises Questions it was aired on Nov 15th 2008 on the bcast Breitbart tv

  17. 2discern

    Monday, March 8, 2010 at 6:06 PM

    This is excellent work. We must continue to intensify the efforts of exposure to the falsehoods of the usurper in chief. The label “birther” will eventually be the distinction of honor and integrity. We won’t give up. As more citizens discover the outright lies he has perpetuated during the campaign, since being elected, and presently as Mr. teleprompter can’t keep his lies straight (that pesky item of remembering my last lie to cover the previous one) the image of even the slightest trust is diminished.

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