by Joseph DeMaio, ©2025
(Oct. 26, 2025) — INTRODUCTION
Well, well, well… some sanity and rational thought may at last be seeping into the question and analysis of the so-called “birthright citizenship” issue under the 14th Amendment. As discussed by your humble servant earlier this year here, the 14th Amendment birthright citizenship issue is different, but closely related, to the “natural born Citizen” (“nbC”) issue under Art. 2, § 1, Cl. 5, the Constitution’s “Eligibility Clause.” Because that which follows may become convoluted, readers may wish to keep a supply of their favorite caffeinated beverage nearby.
As a preliminary matter, that clause, of course, restricts the presidency to a natural born Citizen for all but the first seven presidents – Washington through Jackson – each of whom served as president only by virtue of the “Citizen-grandfather” exception included in Art. 2, § 1, Cl. 5 at the inception of the Republic in 1789.
Parenthetically, the first true nbC president to serve was President Martin Van Buren in 1837. He was born in Kinderhook, New York on December 5, 1782 to U.S citizen parents Abraham Van Buren and Maria Hoes Van Alen (Van Buren), themselves born as foreigners, but becoming U.S citizens pursuant to the Declaration of Independence in 1776. See Edward S. Corwin, “The President: Office and Powers, 1787 – 1984” (5th Revised Ed. 1984),at 38.
But I digress: following adverse rulings in the lower federal courts, President Trump now seeks relief in the Supreme Court. He has filed (September 26, 2025) two petitions for certiorari (in the “CASA” case) and certiorari before judgment (usually reserved for facial constitutional challenges prior to final lower court decisions on the merits) in the “Barbara” case noted post. (Hereafter, for brevity: “SG Petitions”) The petitions are found here.
The State of Tennessee, joined by 23 other sister states, has prepared and filed a “friend of the court” or “amicus curiae” brief in both consolidated cases. (Hereafter, for brevity: “Tennessee Amicus”) The Amicus brief, unsurprisingly, supports granting President Trump’s certiorari petitions in both cases.
The core issues are the same in both cases, with both petitions and the Tennessee amici seeking vindication by the Supreme Court of President Trump’s January 20, 2025 Executive Order 14160 (“EO 14160). That order, among other things, denies automatic 14th Amendment citizenship to babies born here to illegal alien or visa-overstaying mothers. Previously, both the Ninth Circuit and the First Circuit Courts of Appeal ruled on tangential threshold injunctive issues against the President, so he is now seeking relief before the Supreme Court.
As noted, the Tennessee Amicus, along with an earlier amicus brief filed by 18 members of the U.S. House of Representatives serving on the Committee on the Judiciary of the U.S. House of Representatives (spoiler alert: no Democrats signed on), advocates for an order of the Court granting President Trump’s certiorari petitions and reversal of the lower court rulings against EO 14160.
Both of the President’s petitions were filed September 26, 2025 and the responses to same are due October 29, 2025. Finally, to their credit in seeming recognition of the need for clarification of the issue by the Court, all opposition counsel consented to the amicus brief filing (see Tennessee Amicus at 1, fn. 1) and it was filed at the Court on October 24, 2025.
DISCUSSION AND ANALYSIS
In a word, both of the President’s certiorari petitions – authored by Solicitor General John Sauer and his staff attorneys – are superb. They are essentially identical in both the “CASA” and “Barbara” cases, and present a well-researched and highly persuasive – even compelling – case for granting the petitions. The same can be said for the Tennessee Amicus, albeit from a slightly different perspective. If the Court accepts jurisdiction, even more compelling briefs on the merits from the Solicitor General and Tennessee Attorney General will surely follow.
Insofar as the different but related nbC eligibility issue is concerned, the primary focus of this P&E offering you are reading will be the relationship of the “birthright citizenship” arguments being presented by Solicitor General Sauer and the 24 state attorneys general signing on to the Tennessee brief with respect to the separate nbC issue.
The President’s petitions and the Tennessee Amicus make a highly persuasive case for the granting of the certiorari petitions by addressing not only the textual infirmities of the opponents’ arguments, but also the historical and Supreme Court precedential impediments to their position. However, it is the citation in all of the briefs to and quotations from the Supreme Court’s decision in Minor v. Happersett (“Minor”) which forms the threshold focus of this offering.
As a brief refresher course, in discussing the Founders’ original understanding and intent in 1787 regarding the nbC presidential eligibility restriction of the Constitution, the Court in Minor addressed the issue thusly (88 U.S. 167-68):
“[t]he Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first.” (bolding emphasis added)
As posited by your servant and many others here at The P&E for over a full decade, beginning with the blossoming of the nbC issue regarding one Barack Hussein Obama, this definition, recognized and ratified by the Court in Minor, mirrors precisely the definition of a “natural born citizen” as defined by 18th Century Swiss attorney, jurist, scholar and international law publicist Emer de Vattel in Book 1, Ch. 19 § 212 of his 1758 treatise, Le Droit des Gens, or The Law of Nations. Moreover, it also tracks the definition seemingly adopted by Founder John Jay in his critical July 25, 1787 “hint” letter to the Chair of the Philadelphia Constitutional Convention, General George Washington.

Specifically, these citations to Minor – along, significantly, within the certiorari petitions’ citations to and reliance upon the principles and definitions set out in The Law of Nations by Emer de Vattel, – seem to signal a long-delayed, broad and welcomed recognition not only by the Solicitor General, but as well by the attorneys general of nearly a solid majority of the states that the decision in Minor is not only relevant to the birthright citizenship issue, but relevant to the nbC issue as well. It never hurts to remind the Court of language it has used in the past in unanimous (as was Minor) case opinions.
Stated otherwise, it is one thing for private individuals – including your servant here at The P&E – to pontificate on the meaning of the nbC clause in the Constitution at an Internet newspaper, informative and important as it might be. On the other hand, it is quite another thing for the Solicitor General of the United States and 24 chief legal officers of nearly one-half of the nation’s states to bring those same arguments, same case precedents and same recognized authorities and publicists from the Founding Era to cases now pending in the Supreme Court. Plainly, while this development is not an outright “win” in the continuing nbC saga, it is a significant step in that direction.
One of the reasons it is an important step in the right direction lies in the specific citation to § 212 in the Solicitor General’s Petition. See SG Petition at 17. The SG Petition prefaces its citation to § 212 with the signal “see,” meaning it is the direct substantiating source for the assertion to which it relates. That assertion is the brief’s prior statement (id.) that:
As Justice Story wrote, a person “owes allegiance” to the country in which he is “domiciled.” The Pizarro, 2 Wheat. 227, 246 (1817) (Story, J.). Such an individual “places him[self ] out of the protection” of his former country, Murray v. Schooner Charming Betsy, 2 Cranch 64, 120 (1804), and “becomes a member of the new society, at least as a permanent inhabitant, and is a kind of citizen of an inferior order * * * but is, nevertheless, united and subject to the society.” The Venus, 8 Cranch 253, 278 (1814); see Emmerich de Vattel, The Law of Nations §§ 212, 213, 215, at 101-102 (1797 ed.). As a result, once someone “has fixed his abode” in another country, he becomes “a member of [that] society, at least as a perpetual inhabitant; and his children will be members of it also.” Vattel § 215, at 102. (Emphasis added).
Significantly, not only does the SG Petition cite § 212, it also brings to the Court’s attention § 215 of the de Vattel treatise. That section, entitled “Children of citizens born in a foreign country,” contains a specific linked reference to the “natural born citizen” language of § 212, stating: “By the law of nature alone, children follow the condition of their fathers, and enter into all their rights (§ 212).”
This statement – and the SG Petition’s citation to it – strongly cuts against the claim that jus soli principles alone or only a mother’s citizenship status (qv., Barack Obama and Ted Cruz) would have guided the Founders when they adopted the nbC term restricting presidential eligibility to birth here to two parents, both of whom were U.S. citizens at the moment of birth.
But wait…, there’s more. The “cherry on the top,” so to speak, in the SG Petition is its inclusion of a citation to the Supreme Court’s decision in The Venus. There, Supreme Court Justice Bushrod Washington (a nephew of George Washington) quoted (12 U.S. at 289) – and with direct attribution to de Vattel – § 212 as articulating, in French – the original version of the de Vattel treatise which Justice Washington understood – the then-acknowledged definition of persons born in a country to two “parens cityons” (in English, “citizen parents”) of that country as being the “natives” or “indigènes.”
This term was later defined in the 1760 London translation of the treatise as “natural born citizens,” the term specifically used by John Jay in his “hint” letter to George Washington – notably, with a capital “C,” as it also appears in the Caslon cursive final Constitution as now preserved at the National Archives in Washington, D.C.
In his opinion for the Court, Justice Washington identified de Vattel, by name, as an authority on the law of nations and his treatise as being more “explicit” and “satisfactory” on the topics addressed therein, including definitions, “than any other such works” which had come into his possession.
Stated otherwise, The Venus appears to be the likely first U.S. Supreme Court case recognizing, or at minimum suggesting, Emer de Vattel as the source for the definition of a “natural born citizen” as commonly understood and accepted in the general nomenclature of the Founding Era. That “nomenclature” of the day, of course, was repeated and recognized years later when the Court decided Minor, noting that the Founders were familiar and conversant with the term.
And although Chief Justice Marshall dissented “in part” in The Venus as to the substantive maritime law portions regarding the seizure and confiscation of an American citizen’s property before that citizen’s knowledge of a war (the War of 1812 with Great Britain), he “entirely concurred” (12 U.S. at 288) in that portion of the opinion which cited with approval the de Vattel § 212 definition of what the Minor Court later recognized as being a “natural born citizen.”
President Trump’s certiorari petitions today cite Minor for the proposition that, as originally understood, the 14th Amendment’s “Citizenship Clause” was intended to extend birthright citizenship to the children born of citizens, or foreigners lawfully domiciled in the United States, citing (Petition at 7) Minor at 168. The Tennessee Amicus brief goes into additional detail, stating (Amicus at 15-16):
“[T]his Court’s precedent [does not] mandate plaintiffs’ maximalist reading of the Citizenship Clause. Quite the contrary: Case law emphasizes the importance of parental domicile to birthright citizenship and shuns mere-physical-presence rules in the immigration context…. The earliest cases interpreting the Fourteenth Amendment point towards a domicile-based approach. In 1872, the Court’s decision in the Slaughter-House Cases stated that the Citizenship Clause “was intended to exclude from its operation children of ministers, consuls, and citizens or subjects of foreign States born within the United States.” 83 U.S. 36, 73 (emphasis added).

“Two years later, the Court observed that “common-law” principles informed “who shall be natural-born citizens” and noted “doubts” as to whether children of “aliens or foreigners” born in the United States constituted “natural-born citizens.” Minor v. Happersett, 88 U.S. 162, 167-68 (1874). The Court recognized that “it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also.” Id. at 167. [Curiously, the amicus brief omits the rest of the Court’s “recognition”: ‘These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners.] After observing that “[s]ome authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their parents,” the Court noted that “[a]s to this class there have been doubts.” Id. at 168.
As faithful P&E readers well know, this is precisely what has been repeatedly explained and defended against from the nbC “citizen at/by birth” crowd. And now, the Tennessee Amicus brings those arguments front and center before the Supreme Court. This is getting interesting,
CONCLUSION
This offering is already too long, so the time has come to pause. That word is used instead of “stop,” because unless and until the Court itself discovers the courage to directly address the nbC issue, the debate will continue. The “CASA” and “Barbara” cases present a great opportunity for the Court – perhaps in dictum or potentially via the “Opinions Relating to Orders” mechanism – to address and clarify what the definition of an nbC was as understood by the Founders as opposed to today’s “experts” and pontificators.
Concededly, the SG Petition and the Tennessee Amicus are not precedent or even decisions of the Court. Far from it. That said, the Court could do the Republic a big favor if it granted the President’s petitions, adjudicated the 14th Amendment “birthright citizenship” question and, with any luck through dictum or an opinion relating to orders, give interested parties a “hint” as to the answer regarding the nbC restriction.
Finally, citing the Court’s recent decision in United States v. Rahimi, 602 U.S. 680 (2024), the Tennessee Amicus reminds everyone (Amicus at 21-22) that “The first and most important rule in constitutional interpretation is to heed the text – that is, the actual words of the Constitution – and to interpret that text according to its ordinary meaning as originally understood.” [(Emphasis added)] Rahimi, 602 U.S. at 715 (Kavanaugh, J., concurring). That fixation principle is plank one of originalism; the second rule speaks to interpretive constraint – that “the discoverable historical meaning … has legal significance and is authoritative in most circumstances.”Id. at 737 (Barrett, J., concurring). Tethering meaning to the ratified text reflects that “[t]he text of the Constitution is the ‘Law of the Land’” that controls “unless and until it is amended.” Id. at 715 (Kavanaugh, J., concurring.”
That parting advice in the Tennessee Amicus is as relevant to the analysis of the nbC issue under the Constitution’s Eligibility Clause as it is to the birthright citizenship question under the 14th Amendment.
To reiterate: this is getting interesting, so stay tuned.





Respectfully, everyone, how do you think all of this will play out for a J D Vance-Marco Rubio ticket in 2028 (emphasis on Marco Rubio, whose parents were Cuban citizens at the time of Secretary Rubio’s birth)? From what I am seeing and hearing so far, such a ticket for the Republican Party in 2028 is one which may be given serious consideration by President Trump and/or the MAGA movement (likely also including consideration of certain members of President Trump’s own family, and even some discussion centering around a “third term” or candidacy for the vice presidency of President Trump himself)?
In addition, and believe it or not, I do regret saying this but there is one more “qualification” for the presidency which in my opinion arguably must be met. It is the approval and blessing of the CIA. In case you doubt this, may I suggest that you review what has been happening historically and politically in our country since 2008, and quite possibly earlier and as far back as 1947.
God Bless America. Thank you all. Thomas (Tom) Arnold.
From the author:
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Apart from the commenter’s reference to “CIA approval,” because Marco Rubio (although serving as an admirable Secretary of State in President Trump’s second term) is likely not a “natural born Citizen (“nbC”) as intended by the Founders, a 2028 Vance-Rubio ticket would be inadvisable unless one of two things happens.
One, if in a live “case or controversy” directly raising the nbC definition the Supreme Court “clarifies” the intent of the Founders prior to 2028 that Marco Rubio is — as contemplated by the Founders instead of as by certain of today’s academics, “experts” or media moguls — an nbC, such a ticket could succeed. Your humble servant, of course, posits that such a ruling would be in error, but unless and until an amendment of the Constitution intervened (highly unlikely), defining what restrictions, if any, apply today to eligibility to the presidency, that USSC decision would stand.
Second, there exists a slim possibility even today that in the 14th Amendment “birthright citizenship” cases now pending before the Court, a majority of the Justices could strongly “hint” as to what the Founders intended when adopting the restrictive nbC term into the Constitution, thereby telegraphing enough information to Messrs. Vance, Rubio, as well as to President Trump, regarding the “lay of the land” in the event a Vance-Rubio ticket were to be proposed. And even if such a “hint” technically constituted “dictum,” it would be “judicial dictum” required to be accorded precedential authority and weight.
Both of the foregoing examples merely underscore the pitfalls which have been created by the Court’s continued “evasion” of the issue in the past (Supreme Court Justice Thomas: We’re Evading Article II Eligibility Issue – 4/16/10). Moreover, even if it were “hinted” or actually determined that Secretary Rubio was not eligible, he would still make a superb Supreme Court Justice when/if an opening emerged. And the same can be said of Senator Ted Cruz, and for the same reasons.
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My Translation and Analysis of a Key Sentence in Emer de Vattel’s 1758 Treatise on Natural Law in Section 212 -“Des citoyens et naturels”: https://cdrkerchner.wordpress.com/2023/04/15/my-translation-of-a-key-sentence-in-emer-de-vattels-1758-treatise-on-natural-law-in-section-212-des-citoyens-et-naturels/
Absolute Proof the Founders Knew and Accepted Vattel`s French “naturels” to mean “natural born” in American English Years Before U.S. Constitution Was Written:https://cdrkerchner.wordpress.com/2015/04/17/absolute-proof-the-founders-knew-and-accepted-vattels-french-naturels-to-mean-natural-born-before-constitution-was-written/
Reply from the author:
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Thanks to CDR Kerchner (RET) for supplementing your humble servant’s article with links to his posts. The posts confirm, conclusively, that the Founders knew what they were doing when they rejected the mere “citizen” restriction suggested by Delegates Pinckney and Hamilton in the Constitution’s presidential “Eligibility Clause” and instead adopted the definition of a “natural born Citizen” found in Book 1, Ch, 19, § 212 of Emer de Vattel’s 1758 treatise, The Law of Nations.
Trying to change the U.S. Constitution to suit the needs of presidential elections is not new. The UniParty introduced Senate Resolution (SR) 511 to rid the U.S. Constitution of the natural born Citizen (NBC) requirement. The U.S. Senate ‘pulled the wool over the eyes’ of the electorate to enable two ineligible presidential candidates to run for the office of the president of the USA (POTUS) during the 2008 presidential election – aka Barack HUSSEIN Obama and yes, John S. McCain, III, (deceased).
All of the U.S. Senate who were in session in 2008 conspired to influence the 2008 presidential election through an apparently innocuous bill known as SR 511 by referencing a REPEALED immigration document from the year 1790 to legitimize an otherwise illegitimate John S. McCain, III for the office of the president of the United States and at the same time, used horse blinders to willfully obfuscate and overlook aka Barry HUSSEIN Obama’s own unconstitutional status as a presidential contender for the 2008 presidential election. https://www.govtrack.us/con…
Previous attempts to modify the U.S. Constitution, Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 requirement wording from “natural born Citizen’ to simply “born citizen” certainly met with resistance, obfuscation, and confusion among Congressional members. See World Net Daily article by Bob Unruh that summarizes these attempts. Mr. Unruh also reminds readers of the 2008 putative president-elect aka Obama’s ‘visit’ to eight of the nine U.S. Supreme Court members shortly after his election. This article also reminds his readers of the double-standard Constitutionally-eligible nomination affidavits sent to different States of the union. https://www.wnd.com/2011/07/317705/
The UniParty realized this change to the U.S. Constitution was unattainable through a US Constitutional Amendment process, so the UniParty commenced to distort the meaning of natural born Citizen by using that same phrase, “natural born Citizen”, as found in the U.S.A.’s first naturalization law of 1790 as the momentum to promote SR 511. This ruse had a two-fold purpose: (1.) to define “natural born Citizen” contrary to the Founding Fathers’ meaning and (2.) to convince their constituents that they were focusing on McCain’s eligibility, but in actuality were using it to Obama’s advantage.
All’s quiet on the D.C. front: Notice the eerie silence from all Members of Congress on any more attempts to eliminate the NBC requirement for the presidency? There is no need to seek this goal through a Constitutional Amendment anymore, because Congress succeeded to eliminate the real NBC requirement for the presidency by other means. SR 511 not only allowed an unconstitutional aka Obama and McCain to run for the office of the POTUS in 2008, but also emboldened the following individuals to run for the presidency during the 2016 election: Cruz, Rubio, and Jindal. This deceitful SR 511 has spawned additional unconstitutional candidates for the upcoming 2020 and 2024 presidential elections from both main parties. Regular Post&Email readers know the names. Our two-tier justice system is on full display, every day in Washington D.C.
What really is the penalty for citizens lying to Congress? Plenty. Lawyer-up. But then, what really is the penalty for Congress lying to We The People? None. It’s a two-tiered justice system.
https://www.thepostemail.com/2025/08/28/natural-observations-of-obama-id-narrative-reality-08-28-08-to-08-28-25/ >>> Let’s We the Lay People on Main Street USA now finally rule on the originally intended meanings of “natural born Citizen” and “birthright citizenship”
For the past 17 years, there has been an unprecedented legal back and forth on the meaning of these two phases related to the U.S. Constitution; like an unending legal tennis match with lawyers competing on the tennis court while We the Lay People are sidelined, silenced and summarily dismissed way back in the bleachers.
Not any more.
Let’s We the Lay People finally decide the victor of this otherwise orchestrated-legalese-tennis-match-to-nowhere by forcing all licensed attorneys and judges in all of USA into the bleachers, and then, allowing all We the Legal Lay People onto the court instead.
Why not?
After all, “We the People” are the first three boldest and largest and rarely-printed words of the original cursive-quill-penned text of the U.S. Constitution https://www.archives.gov/founding-docs/constitution, and the adults within We the Lay People are generally good enough for jury duty to determine the fate of their accused peers, and the Senior We the Lay People Citizens normally have a “PhD in Life Experiences” (unlike young attorneys), and so many of We the Lay People on this imagined legalese-tennis-court-converted-to-The People’s Court are so intelligent that they can get us to the moon, and back, and lead heart transplant surgeries and win Nobel Peace prizes, etc., all the while possessing no law degrees, just like most of the Embattled Farmers and many of the Embattled Framers who came before us!
JUDGEMENT 1: We the Lay People find that the term of art, “natural born Citizen” (nbC) 1787- Today to evidently mean, one who is born in the USA to sole-U.S.-citizen-parents at the time of one’s birth.
EXHIBIT A the world wide web shows the world that from 1824 to 08-27-2008, from VP John C. Calhoun to President G.W. Bush and VP Richard Cheney, a period of some 184 years wherein 63 born-U.S.-citizen-Presidents and Vice Presidents and their 126 sole-U.S.-citizen-parents* (= 189 U.S. citizens except for the publicly-covered-up Canadian-resident-father of Chester Arthur) were selected and elected by previous U.S.-citizen-generations
EXHIBIT B on 08-28-08 the DNC-nbC-COUP was committed and must now be nullified by We the Lay People on Main Street USA,
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JUDGEMENT 2: We the Lay People find that from 1866 to some date-to-be-determined thereafter, the 14th Amendment was only being interpreted and enforced by previous U.S.-citizens to mean, all existing negro slaves domiclied and under the jurisdiction of the USA, and their children, are to be recognized and treated in all of USA as free U.S. citizens
EXHIBIT C https://imprimis.hillsdale.edu/birthright-citizenship-and-dual-citizenship-harbingers-of-administrative-tyranny/ by We the Lay People’s Edward J. Erler https://www.claremont.org/bio/edward-j-erler/
JUDGEMENT 3: We the Lay People find that Nancy Patricia D-Alesandro-Pelosi is guilty of treason and must immediately be arrested/prosecuted/sentenced/punished per existing prescribed laws for knowingly and secretly leading said DNC-nbC-COUP to install a non-nbC narrative-Barack Obama-Soetoro to be Commander-in-Chief in time of war, and for sponsoring “birthright citizenship” to illegally include non-domiciled and not subject to the jurisdiction “anchor babies” wrongly entitled to chain migration, and for other treasons 08-28-08- Today
EXHIBIT D https://www.thepostemail.com/2025/10/26/email-sent-through-president-trumps-white-house-website-10-25-2025/
*34 selected and elected nbC-Presidents who also served as nbC-Vice Presidents
29 selected and elected person who served as nbC-Vice Presidents only
34 + 29 = 63 nbC-persons, plus their 126 publicised U.S.-citizen-parents = 189 publicised sole-U.S. citizens
The only aspect I find objectionable is the idea of defining the children of “permanently domiciled” parents as natural born citizens under Art. 2, §1, Cl. 5. It’s important to remember that Mr. Wong’s parents eventually returned to China, leaving their son as a U.S. citizen in this country.
Here’s the problem: When applying for a green card (lawful permanent residency) using Form I-485, you typically do not take the full Oath of Allegiance that is required for naturalized U.S. citizens. The Oath of Allegiance is specifically for individuals becoming citizens, and applicants do not renounce their allegiance to their home country. As a result, according to natural law, their children born in the U.S. would still owe allegiance to the laws and sovereignty of their parents’ home country.
Very long diatribe about how the author wants the constitution to be ruled unconstitutional. It very well may be by the current court. I don’t think the author is going to like the eventual outcome.
Specifics please.
John Jay Ad Hoc A2S1C5 Natural Born Citizenship National Committee for Detecting and Defeating Judiciary Executive Conspiracies