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by Joseph DeMaio, ©2024

(Apr. 22, 2024) — On occasion, commenters at The P&E make curious assertions.  Such is the case with respect to a comment made by one “Johnathan J.” regarding a prior post here relating to one aspect of the purported “long-form” birth certificate of Barack Hussein Obama, Jr.

The issue at hand relates to whether the image of the birth certificate displayed on the website of the National Archives and Records Administration (“NARA”) includes a perceptible authenticating seal of the State of Hawai’i.  Because many have questioned the authenticity of the birth certificate itself, let alone the authenticity of the seal, a debate continues over whether there is enough competent “evidence,” one way or the other, to put the question to rest.

At this point, commenter Johnathan J. asserted: “It is disinformation to suggest that the possibility of forgery means this seal was forged when there’s no evidence to support that belief.”  Really?  That assertion requires closer analysis.

First, while philosophical arguments continue over whether or not the “absence of evidence is evidence of absence,” if no evidence exists under circumstances where it should exist, that factual reality is itself “evidence.”  Recall the Sherlock Holmes analogy of “the dog that didn’t bark (when it should have).”

It may or may not be direct evidence – sometimes called “smoking gun” evidence – but it is nonetheless “evidence.”  Stated otherwise, indirect or “circumstantial” evidence is nonetheless evidence, the only question being the “weight” to be accorded to it.

Second, if as the commenter contends there is “no evidence” to suggest chicanery or fraud regarding the birth certificate or the “raised seal,” the immediate question arises: why does the Kapi’olani Hospital in Honolulu persist in refusing to confirm that Barack Obama was, purportedly, born there? 

This question is particularly relevant since Obama has waived any claim of HIPAA personal medical information confidentiality by publicly declaring that it was “the place of my birth.”  After all, as the purported birth hospital of the first “black” (a more accurate descriptor would be “bi-racial”) president of the United States, one would think that at minimum, such an historic and amazing event would be memorialized or featured somewhere in the building or on the hospital’s website.  

Your humble servant has word-searched the hospital’s entire website – in vain – for any reference to its most famous birth.  If your servant has missed an entry or if commenter J. can do better, your humble servant would be pleased to receive the information as would, presumably, all of Mr. Obama’s supporters.  Obama has claimed it was the place of his birth, so why won’t the hospital confirm it?

Moreover, in order to finally put the Obama birth certificate dispute, including the “raised seal” issue, “in the nation’s rear-view mirror” – thereby taking the wind out of the sails of those pesky “birthers” – why has Obama himself not simply directed the hospital to confirm that which he has publicly claimed?  Some might be tempted to leap to the conclusion that the reason for the reticence is because the hospital cannot factually confirm his birth there.

On the other hand, since the image of a purported genuine long-form birth certificate is accessible online at the NARA website showing that Kapi’olani was the birth hospital, the not unexpected answer will be: no more proof is required.  End of dispute…, move along…, nothing more to see here.  

In this regard, one is reminded of the famous painting by Belgian surrealist artist, René Magritte.  It depicts a pipe with a brown bowl and brown/black stem split by a gold or brass connector ring.  Beneath the graphic are the words “Ceci n’est pas une pipe,” or in English “This is not a pipe.”

Correct.  Instead, it is a picture of a pipe.  And like the Magritte painting, the world is instructed to accept the image of the Obama birth certificate as being all that is needed – or allowed – to confirm its authenticity and, inferentially, his purported presidential eligibility as a “natural born Citizen” under the Constitution.  Again, move along…, nothing more to see here. 

The irony of the actual title of the Magritte painting – The Treachery of Images – as compared to the NARA picture of Obama’s birth certificate is striking.  And, by the way, Merriam-Webster lists as synonyms for the word “treachery” terms including “falsity,” “fraud,” “deception” and “deceit.”

As long as the indirect or circumstantial evidence of the certificate’s inauthenticity remains uncontroverted, unless and until it is proven wrong by competent “evidence” instead of ipse dixit (“it is so because I say it is so”) and Magritte-like substitutes, the claimed authenticity of the birth certificate and the “raised seal” will remain the topic of Internet debate. 

But is that not what the First Amendment is all about, hollow claims of “birther misinformation” aside?

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Monday, April 22, 2024 6:14 PM

I do not think the author is correct in assuming that President Obama in any way gave a blanket waiver to his HIPAA rights. However, there is enough other of evidence that Obama was born at Kapi’olani Hospital other than the iron clad evidence that it is on his certified birth certificate. There was a first hand account from a lady who was later his teacher who dined with a doctor from the hospital on the very night of his birth. There is also a letter from the President himself congratulating the hospital on the occasion of their 100 anniversary in which Obama called the hospital “the place of my birth”. I guess Kapi’olani is all in on your vast conspiracy by publishing his letter in their foundation magazine w/o a disclaimer that he was not born there?
https://www.wnd.com/wp-content/uploads/InspireMagazineSpring2009.pdf

Reply to  Sharon Rondeau
Tuesday, April 23, 2024 8:37 AM

I would imagine it is still in possession of the hospital. Why not call them and ask?

John
Reply to  Reality Check
Sunday, April 28, 2024 4:47 PM

I initially fell into the main narrative that the question of Obama’s birth certificate.was a fringe group trying to sow discord within our country. However the more I looked into the issue the more I questioned the validity of the official birth certificate. This led me to reevaluate his whole Presidency. I now believe that he was placed in that position to facilitate our country to comply with the WEF and the global elites. It is interesting that the initial designation of being a conspiracy theorist was in regards to the JFK assignation. It is only someone who has not looked into that event who would still regard it as a conspiracy theory
what has been taking place here and around the world is a conspiracy of the highest magnitude
Let’s just take one example. A President that is obviously mentally compromised to the extent that the Justice Department declined to prosecute him because he was to infirm. Yet, he is well enough to remain President and is the Democratic candidate for re-election. The main stream media has not made a serious effort to call for his removal from office, as the Constitution provides.

Johnathan J.
Monday, April 22, 2024 3:44 PM

This article did not present any evidence showing that the seal was forged.

Nikita's_UN_Shoe
Reply to  Johnathan J.
Tuesday, April 23, 2024 8:06 AM

Request a second opinion. Please show us the seal in its entirety so that the world can make a rational decision on its authenticity. How can anyone determine its authenticity simply by saying that someone’s ‘felt’ it?

Jonathan J.
Reply to  Sharon Rondeau
Tuesday, April 23, 2024 10:02 PM

Obama not waiving his HIPAA rights is not evidence anyone forged anything. Obama not posting a 15-year-old letter that he sent to someone else also is not evidence anyone forged anything. Absence of evidence is not evidence.

Jonathan J.
Reply to  Sharon Rondeau
Wednesday, April 24, 2024 1:36 AM

There’s no evidence anybody fears this speculation.

Nikita's_UN_Shoe
Monday, April 22, 2024 3:02 PM

Memo to Mr. Reality Check:
Using my personal home printer/scanner, a Canon MP250, I just successfully scanned my certified birth certificate, both sides. This certified birth certificate recorded a Minnesota birth occurring in 1945 and was created in 1964 to include a raised seal to be used to conduct a full background check (missing for Obama) for a security clearance required during my military service.

Before scanning the original certified copy, I felt the raised seal, both sides, but I did not notify the local TV or radio stations of this action. The final print-out, both sides in living color, revealed the full evidence of a circle representing the actual 3-D raised seal as shown on the original certified copy without the necessity of 10X magnification. No squinted required.

Can’t complain about the output quality of the Canon MP250 quality, so why should I complain about the cost of the Black and White and the color ink cartridges.

Copies of this document for the non-believers can be obtained by dialing BR-549.

Reply to  Nikita's_UN_Shoe
Monday, April 22, 2024 6:02 PM

Oh good for you. Give yourself a cookie. I happen to own an embossed seal that I use in my work as a professional engineer. I have found that embossed seals sometimes copy and sometimes do not but what is generally true is that on professional office center machines they are less likely to show.

The entire discussion however is worthless. Embossed seals exist for one purpose. That is to identify that a copy is a certified copy and not a copy of a certified copy. The White House obtained two certified copies of the Obama birth certificate. A scanned copy was made public. This was to prove that doubters like the one currently being tried for criminal election fraud in NY who claimed that no original “long form” birth certificate existed in Hawaii’s archives were wrong and it did indeed exist.

Hawaii didn’t really need to do anything other than make a copy of the bound document. A mere plain copy would have been enough. But the DoH being extremely careful decided to print the copy on security paper, stamp it with a date and Registrar’s stamp, and place an embossed seal. These actions made these official birth certificates along with a number that were obtained by the Obama campaign in 2007..

So now here we are 13 years later arguing over an embossed seal that doesn’t really need to be there. It is absurd.

Nikita's_UN_Shoe
Reply to  Reality Check
Tuesday, April 23, 2024 8:13 AM

As a regular guy, the Department of Defenses/FBI would not allow me to just proffer a simple machine copy of my birth certificate. It had to be a certified one – one with a readable embossed seal. Why should a person who is a candidate for the highest office of the USA skimp on his/her identification when the rest of us plebes must jump through many hoops to attain a security clearance?

James Carter
Reply to  Reality Check
Tuesday, April 23, 2024 11:35 AM

These actions made these official birth certificates along with a number that were obtained by the Obama campaign in 2007..”
Except that the following evidence indicates that Obama’s campaign didn’t request a copy of his birth certificate until 2008.

“Press Gaggle by Press Secretary Jay Carney, Director of Communications Dan Peeiffer, and White House Counsel Bob BauerApril 27, 2011

MR. PFEIFFER: Thanks, Jay. What you have in front of you now is a packet of papers that includes the President’s long-form birth certificate from the state of Hawaii, the original birth certificate that the President requested and we posted online in 2008, and then the correspondence between the President’s counsel and the Hawaii State Department of Health that led to the release of those documents.
If you would just give me a minute to — indulge me a second to walk through a little of the history here, since all of you weren’t around in 2008 when we originally released the President’s birth certificate, I will do that. And then Bob Bauer will walk through the timeline of how we acquired these documents.
In 2008, in response to media inquiries, the President’s campaign requested his birth certificate from the state of Hawaii. We received that document; we posted it on the website. That document was then inspected by independent fact checkers, who came to the campaign headquarters and inspected the document — independent fact checkers did, and declared that it was proof positive that the President was born in Hawaii.”

https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/press-gaggle-press-secretary-jay-carney-director-communications-dan-peeiffer-and-white

Reply to  James Carter
Tuesday, April 23, 2024 12:45 PM

I believe Mr. Pfeiffer, speaking off the cuff from memory, was mistaken. The short form certificate clearly shows a registrar’s date stamp of June 6, 2007. The date is explained in the FactCheck article: “We asked the Obama campaign about the date stamp and the blacked-out certificate number. The certificate is stamped June 2007, because that’s when Hawaii officials produced it for the campaign, which requested that document and “all the records we could get our hands on” according to spokesperson Shauna Daly. The campaign didn’t release its copy until 2008, after speculation began to appear on the Internet questioning Obama’s citizenship.”

So Pfeiffer speaking almost 3 years later and from memory got the timing of the short form procurement wrong. The campaign already had it 2008.

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Reply to  Reality Check
Tuesday, April 23, 2024 2:24 PM

All:

Beware of the duplicitous social engineer, the facts and language manipulator of reality by commission of false statements and omission of other facts and information, by RealityCheck, aka RC, a long-time member of Obama’s online team of supporters and enablers of Obama’s fraud. His User Name is the exact opposite of what his agenda is and his purpose for being here is and that is to distort the true reality that Obama is a Marxist, grifter and a life narrative fraud using forged and stolen identity documents and was put into high office by his nefarious backers to implement his “Dreams From My Father” anti-American agenda.

Dr. Ron Polland, a very experienced digital graphics expert, and others, proved in the early summer of 2008 that the short-form Certification of Live Birth released by the Daily Kos in June 2008, and then later picked up by the Obama Campaign was digitally created forgery, one of several forged documents used by Team Obama. See:

Interview of Dr. Ron Polland:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05hORpFr2xE

HI Election Worker’s Sworn Statement No Hospital Birth Record Exists for Obama in HI:
https://www.scribd.com/doc/86271033/Tim-Adams-Sworn-Affidavit-Dated-21-Mar-2012-Stating-No-Hospital-Generated-Obama-Long-Form-BC-Existed-in-2008-in-Hawaii

Reports Prepared By Numerous Graphics Experts That Obama Birth Documents and Other Key Identity Documents Are Forged:
https://www.scribd.com/lists/3166684/Obama-s-Birth-Cert-Other-Key-Docs-Draft-Reg-Card-Forged-Expert-Reports

CDR Kerchner (Ret)
http://www.ProtectOurLiberty.org

Reply to  CDR Charles Kerchner (Ret)
Tuesday, April 23, 2024 3:51 PM

When you have no facts attack the messenger. BTW I never taught at the University of Connecticut nor ever worked for DARPA. I wish I were paid by the hour for the time I have spent debunking Birther nonsense but alas it was all for free.

Birthers are such terrible sleuths.

Reply to  Reality Check
Tuesday, April 23, 2024 5:50 PM

Facts were provided in the links.

You call us Birthers and we call you and your deceiver Vattel-denier ilk Obots and trolls.

Have you not signed off on your radio show and in various written places as “RC” or “RCR”? Are those not your initials?

Is the pronoun “I” in your above comment just another deception tactic, as the old adage goes about deceivers – liars lie, or did you loan someone your user ID as a “sock puppet” for that comment to help you with the deception? I know how you far-left trolls from Wokestan using the language of Newspeak love to change pronouns to suit your agenda.

Tell us your real name? You said where you allege you did not work. Then, where did you work or do you work? Where do you live, what state, country? You know my real name? Let’s hear yours. Or are you a coward to tell us? Why do you hide who you really are, if you are not RCR?

Are you content to be just an anonymous worker-bee OBOT troll whose bosses got triggered by an article about Obama’s forged ID documents and your backers sent you to this site to do your social engineering, gas-lighting usual disinformation spreading routine and dirty work?

CDR Kerchner (Ret)
Lehigh Valley PA USA
http://www.ProtectOurLiberty.org

Reply to  CDR Charles Kerchner (Ret)
Tuesday, April 23, 2024 6:44 PM

You know what is funny? Dr. Ron Polland never posted under his real name. He posted under the pseudonym “Polarik” and was later outed by the Barackryphal blog to be Ron Polland. He also claimed to have expertise in image analysis that he never really had. His stuff has been long debunked. I suppose the using your real name demand only goes one way?

Jonathan J.
Reply to  CDR Charles Kerchner (Ret)
Wednesday, April 24, 2024 2:03 AM

“Joseph DeMaio” also is not a real name.

James Carter
Reply to  Reality Check
Wednesday, April 24, 2024 10:11 AM

The first “Birther” was none other than Barry Soetoro’s Democrat Party primary opponent in 2008, Hillary Clinton. How much time did you spend debunking her “nonsense”?

James Carter
Reply to  Reality Check
Wednesday, April 24, 2024 10:02 AM

Yet another anomaly related to Obama’s birth, and yet another excuse.

So many anomalies, and so many excuses.