by Joseph DeMaio, ©2024
(Jan. 14, 2024) — Introduction
As interest continues to once again pick up in the presidential eligibility issue following President Trump’s post suggesting that Nikki Haley might not be a “natural born Citizen” (“nbC”), and thus ineligible, some interesting reactions and observations have surfaced. In this offering, your humble servant will address some of those new items. And reader fair warning alert: this post is long…., but, if you have gotten this far past the title, arguably well worth reading.
As a preliminary matter, readers not already familiar with the topic may find it useful to first review some of the prior postings here at The P&E on the nbC issue. Those postings include many by, among others, nbC warriors CDR Charles Kerchner (Ret) and Robert Laity; the intrepid P&E Editor, Sharon Rondeau; and, yes, your humble servant.
Those posts may be generally summarized as positing that in 1787, when the Founders were drafting the Constitution, one of their primary concerns was ensuring that the “chief magistracy” of the new Republic – the President and the Office of the Presidency – be protected and insulated against “foreign influence.” Their concern and trepidation manifested its existence in the July 25, 1787 “hint” letter from Founder John Jay to the Constitutional Convention Chairman, George Washington.
There, Jay respectfully suggested that the presidency be restricted to a “natural born Citizen,” with Jay both underscoring the word “born” and capitalizing the “C” in “Citizen.” Significantly, Jay used the term “Citizen” instead of the term “subject” as some would argue the Founders, purportedly, treated as synonyms. Memo to file: no, they didn’t.

As Founder Alexander Hamilton noted in Federalist 68, the Founders viewed the dangers inherent in allowing the insinuation of foreign influence into the presidency as being real and in need of being blocked. The goal was to restrict the presidency, as much as possible, to persons of undivided loyalty and allegiance to the United States…, and the United States alone. In John Jay’s mind, that meant a “natural born Citizen.”
Hamilton warned that the potential for such foreign influence danger arose “chiefly from the desire in foreign powers to gain an improper ascendant in our councils. How could they better gratify this, than by raising a creature of their own to the chief magistracy of the union?” (Emphasis added). Reduced to its essence, the Founders’ objective was to shield and vigorously protect from the outset the “chief magistracy” from that danger.
The term in 1787 defining the highest barrier to the insinuation of foreign influence into the presidency as intended by the Founders was found in § 212, Book 1, Ch. 19 of the 1758 treatise “The Law of Nations” by Swiss attorney, jurist and scholar Emer de Vattel. There, de Vattel defined a “natural born citizen” as a person born in a country to two parents who were, at that time, already citizens of that country.
Any other definition ascribed to the nbC term – including, for example, a person who might merely be a “native-born citizen” or a “citizen at or by birth,” regardless of both parents’ citizenship status and apart from any need for future validating “naturalization proceedings” – establishes a lower, inferior and more easily cleared barrier to the danger sought to be prevented.
Accordingly, it makes no sense to haughtily and shamelessly suggest, as some these days do, that the Founders would have consciously adopted a lower definitional barrier against foreign influence when a known and available higher barrier – the de Vattel § 212 definitional barrier – existed. Yet this is the rote, faux marinade in which peoples’ minds have been soaked for years.
Stated otherwise, it is undisputed that the Founders feared the potential for the insinuation of foreign influence into the presidency and that in response, they sought to prevent that possibility by selecting and adopting a term setting a high barrier against that danger. To repeat, the highest available barrier in 1787 to that potential was found in the § 212 definition of a “natural born citizen” articulated by Emer de Vattel in his treatise.
That treatise, by the way, was available to and possessed by the Founders, both in French, the international language of diplomacy at the time, as well as English in the form of a 1760 translation published in London. Moreover, the continuing vitality and authority of de Vattel and the principles set out in his tome over the years since 1787 have been repeatedly confirmed by the U.S. Supreme Court, including as recently as 2023. See, e.g., Haadland v. Brackeen, 599 U.S. 255, 308-309 (2023); Franchise Tax Board of California v. Hyatt, 587 U.S. __, 139 S. Ct. 1485, 1493 (2019); and United States Steel Corp. v. Multistate Tax Commission, 434 U.S. 452, 462, n.12 (1977).
While some might argue that de Vattel and the principles contained in his treatise were irrelevant and completely unknown to the Founders as they drafted the Constitution, the foregoing Supreme Court decisions confirm just the opposite.
The Reactions to the Trump Post
Against this backdrop, and turning to some additional comments being made regarding President Trump’s post, beyond those made in the New York Post already addressed here, that paragon of objective reporting – NBC…, just kidding… – has coughed this up: Trump promotes ‘totally baseless’ birther conspiracy theory against Nikki Haley (nbcnews.com).
The Tribe and Vance Comments
In the NBC article, authors Vaughn Hillyard (a political reporter for NBC News) and Amanda Terkel (politics managing editor for NBC News Digital) reference Ha-vahdh emeritus law professor Laurence Tribe. They quote him as claiming that the argument that Haley is ineligible is “totally baseless as a legal and constitutional matter” and criticizing President Trump’s post as potentially being the playing of the “race card against the former governor and UN ambassador as a woman of color.”
Nonsense. The nbC issue has absolutely nothing to do with race or gender. It has everything to do with foreign nationality, foreign claims of allegiance or dual loyalties and the intention of the Founders to protect the presidency from the insinuation of foreign influence, regardless of ethnicity, gender…, or even personal pronoun preferences.

Indeed, the article even quotes another lawyer, former U.S. Attorney Joyce Vance – a Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. appointee and now an MSNBC columnist – conceding that, Mr. Trump’s post aside, “nonetheless, the question of the [definition of the] term ‘natural born citizen’ has not been fully fleshed out in the courts….” (Emphasis added). This admission would seem clearly to put to rest the misinformation that the matter is “settled” and that those tinfoil hat “birthers” should just “give it a rest.” Memo to file # 2: your servant is not gonna “give it a rest” here at The P&E.
This correct admission by Vance plainly undermines Professor Tribe’s categorical decree that the issue is “totally baseless.” Moreover, it underscores that which your humble servant has argued for years: the Supreme Court – the only one that counts in the final adjudication of the Constitution’s terms – has not rendered any decision in the past directly addressing the nbC issue in the context of a president or vice-president where the issue arises in a “ripe” case or controversy involving parties with legal “standing.” Unless such a decision emerges or a constitutional amendment either ratifying the de Vattel definition or repealing the nbC clause altogether is passed and ratified by the states, the debate will continue.
The Neuborne Comment
The NBC article also quotes another former law professor, one Burt Neuborne, a professor emeritus at New York University Law School and the founding legal director of the Brennan Center for Justice. Neuborne “jokingly” quipped that “[s]omeone should tell him [Trump] that the North won” the Civil War. This comment merits closer scrutiny. Translation: the following section is long, so keep your favorite caffeinated beverage nearby.
First, the quip seems to confirm that the retired law professor thinks the 14th Amendment – passed after “the North won the Civil War” to ensure that black Americans were accorded the same citizenship rights as all other native-born citizens…, but not mentioning any intent to alter the separate eligibility restrictions of Art. 2, § 1, Cl. 5 – controls the issue.
Memo to file # 3: it does not, as all of the debates and colloquies between and among the congressmen voting on it demonstrate, including the prime sponsor and author of the bill creating the amendment, John Bingham (R. OH).
On April 11, 1862, when the 14th Amendment was but a future glimmer in his eye, Bingham rose on the House floor in support of such a proposed amendment. See Congressional Globe, House of Representatives, 37th Congress, 2nd Session at p. 1639. During his remarks to the assembled Representatives addressing the concept of citizens and citizenship, he specifically identified the persons to whom the proposed amendment would apply thusly:
“There is no such word as [“]white[”] in your Constitution. Citizenship, therefore, does not depend upon complexion any more than it depends upon the rights of election or of office. All from other lands, who, by the terms of your laws and a compliance with their provisions become naturalized, are adopted citizens of the United States; all other persons born within the Republic, of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty, are natural-born citizens.” (Emphasis added)

Then, some four years later, on March 9, 1866, less than one year following the end of the Civil War, Bingham rose again on the floor of the House. This time he addressed his assembled colleagues on a Senate bill (S. 61) entitled “An act to protect all persons in the United States in their civil rights and furnish the means of their vindication” forwarded to the House for action. Congressman Bingham again articulated his recognition of the distinction between “citizens” and “natural born citizens” thusly:
“I find no fault with the introductory clause, which is simply declaratory of what is written in the Constitution, that every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural-born citizen….” (Emphasis added) See Congressional Globe, House of Representatives, 39th Congress, 1st Session at p. 1291.

The significance of Representative Bingham’s remarks in 1866 lies in his reference to the term “natural-born citizen” as being found “in the language of [the] Constitution itself.” (Emphasis added) The only place in the Constitution where the term “natural-born Citizen” is found is Art. 2, § 1, Cl. 5, the Presidential Eligibility Clause. The term appears nowhere else in that founding document.
It is – or should be to logical minds – abundantly clear, therefore, that Mr. Bingham was not referring to a term he had accidentally come across elsewhere. Plainly, Congressman Bingham’s understanding of the term “natural born citizen” when he was identifying persons included within that subset of the “citizens” to be covered by his proposed constitutional amendment was grounded in the term appearing in the Constitution’s Eligibility Clause, Art. 2, § 1, Cl. 5. That “subset” of persons included those who were born here to “parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty…,” or, simply stated, “two U.S. citizen parents.”
As noted many times in the past, think Venn diagrams: all natural born Citizens are also native born citizens, but not all native born citizens are natural born citizens. While the 14th Amendment creates native-born citizens, it does not create natural born citizens.

Bingham recognized that the “language of the Constitution itself” meant that, insofar as eligibility to the presidency was concerned, an nbC was a person born here to parents who were already citizens of the United States since, by definition, U.S. citizen parents are those who do not owe “allegiance to any foreign sovereignty.” That is why the Eligibility Clause itself differentiates between “citizens” for “citizen-grandfather clause” purposes and “natural born Citizens” for Presidential eligibility purposes. Rocket science, this is not.
Therefore, to paraphrase Professor Neuborne, someone should tell him that although a 14th Amendment “citizen at/by birth” sufficiently defines a “native-born citizen,” it does not suffice to define or create a “natural born Citizen,” at least insofar as the Founders were concerned when placing the nbC term into Art. 2, § 1, Cl. 5.
The Salon Comment
Apart from the NBC reaction to President Trump’s post, the left-leaning magazine Salon also chimed in with an article by one Gabriella Ferrigine, described as a “news fellow” at Salon. The use of the gender-specific masculine term “fellow” at the Salon website is problematic, unless, of course, “Gabriella” is “transitioning.”
There is little to add with regard to the Salon article as it reads very much like the NBC article which was published one day earlier. No, Virginia, the Salon article does not appear to have been plagiarized, but the passages from Laurence Tribe and Joyce Vance, properly signaled with quotation marks, are included. One major difference is that the Salon article omits any mention or discussion of the views of Professor Neuborne which are included in the NBC article. And because this post is already long, your servant’s observations about the NBC article are simply incorporated here in similar response to the Salon article.
Conclusion
The bottom line here is that three major news outlets – The New York Post (conservative); NBC (not conservative) and Salon (really not conservative)…, to name but a few… – have all come out against President Trump’s post, a post having the audacity to suggest that the rote narrative that has permeated peoples’ brains for over a decade might, after all, be misinformation. The problem with the marinating fluid is that it is a toxic brew consisting of manufactured racism; xenophobia; misogyny; discrimination; misinformation; ellipsis chicanery…; and garden-variety ignorance.
If, as former U.S. Attorney Joyce Vance admits, the nbC issue “has not been fully fleshed out in the courts…,” it is at bare minimum premature, if not plainly foolish, for “journalists” and purportedly esteemed professors of law to spout contrary nonsense.
For Professor Tribe to assert that President Trump’s suggestion regarding Nikki Haley’s claimed nbC status is “totally baseless as a legal and constitutional matter” or for Mr. Neuborne to joke that “someone ought to tell Mr. Trump that the North won [the Civil War]” telegraphs the trivialization of a significant and unsettled question of constitutional law. Professorial bad form, even for professors emeritus.

Yet lampooning and trivializing the issue as being “over and done with” and ready for a “fork to be stuck in it” has been the core of the narrative. That marinade has for too long consisted of faulty logic and unsupported, erroneous assertions regarding the history of congressional legislation on the nbC definition.
Most disturbingly, the marinade has included a bitter spice extract. That extract is the ellipsis omission of the words of a Supreme Court case having the effect of making it appear that the Court has already ruled that a son born to a mother and father who were, purportedly, foreigners at his birth – a manifestly false conclusion – was nonetheless eligible to the presidency. Oh…, and then…, after Barack Obama’s second term in office, reversing and erasing the ellipsis, eradicating any trace of the prior linguistic tort…, like it never happened, discussed here. As Sherlock Holmes noted: “The perfect crime is the one that is never discovered.”
The nbC issue remains alive here at The P&E and neither Paul Ingrassisa – author of the article precipitating Mr. Trump’s post – nor “45” himself should throw in the towel. In fact, they might consider – figuratively, of course – soaking a towel, wringing it out, then snapping it at the posteriors of those who “can’t handle the truth.”



What is interesting is that Tribe in 2008 wrote in support of Resolution 511 declaring John McCain to be a Natural Born Citizen because his parents were Americans and knowing neither of Haley’s parents were Americans when she was born not claims she’s eligible. They can’t have it both ways either parental citizenship matters or it doesn’t and Congress & The Supreme Court in legal opinions have said it matters. Harris, Haley & Ramaswamy aren’t Natural Born Citizens. End of story!
Excellent article. Congress knows that you are right. Like SCOTUS, however, they are acting to “evade” the issue, repeal Article II and facilitate the demise of the United States by “creating…creature[s] of their own to the Chief magistracy of the Union”.
This MUST BE STOPPED. “It is a moral Imperative”- Chris Knight, played by Val Kilmer in Real Genius.
https://www.thepostemail.com/2013/08/11/congress-kne-the-difference-between-natural-borb-citizen-and-citizen-in-1795/
Author – “On April 11, 1862 …Bingham rose on the House floor in support of such a proposed amendment. … “all other persons born within the Republic, of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty, are natural-born citizens.”
In the beginning of the same paragraph, Rep. Bingham says,
“The Constitution leaves no room for doubt about this subject. The word ‘natural-born citizen of the United States’ occur in it, and the other provision also occurs in it that ‘Congress shall have power to pass a uniform system of naturalization.’ To naturalize a person is to admit him to citizenship. Who are natural-born citizens but those born within the Republic? Those born within the Republic, whether black or white, are citizens by birth – natural-born citizens.”
Does the author agree with Congressman Bingham that “citizens by birth” are natural-born citizens?
Joseph DeMaio responded with a new article in response to the question by Leland saying in one sentence therein — “The answer is: “As the question is posed, no, but with explanatory qualifications.” ” — which Joseph DeMaio’s provides in full to Mr. Leland in his new article: https://www.thepostemail.com/2024/01/15/nbc-comment-merits-response/
And I herewith note Rep. Binham was was clearer about the importance of the status of the parents in another quote in 1862 than the one Mr. Leland cited:
1862, page 1639 of The Congressional Globe, Volume 2; Volume 37
” Those born within the Republic, whether black or white, are citizens by birth – natural born citizens. There is no such word as white in your Constitution. Citizenship, therefore, does not depend upon complexion any more than it depends upon the rights of election or of office. All from other lands, who by the terms of your laws and a compliance with their provisions become naturalized, are adopted citizens of the United States; all other persons born within the Republic, of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty, are natural born citizens. ” Source: https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/John_Bingham
Note: the clause … of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty …
A Flashback in History to 27/28 Apr 2011: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GREU6DdKtZs
CDR Kerchner (Ret)
http://www.ProtectOurLiberty.org
Excellent Mr. De Maio, I’m pleased that you will not give it a rest. The Republican Party has cemented this issue as by-partisan because the not only ran all those unqualified in the past but continue with this current crop. If Trump really wants to light up the libs he would mention he doubts Ramaswamy’s eligibility was well.
Get this new outstanding and comprehensive article by Joseph DeMaio re “natural born Citizen” to the eyes of Donald Trump. I just posted this on X (Twitter) sending it to the attention of Trump that way. Others should do the same or get it to Trump some other way:
@realDonaldTrump @elonmusk @GovRonDeSantis Article by Joseph DeMaio is a must read, “Who Can Handle the nbC Eligibility Truth?”: https://www.thepostemail.com/2024/01/14/who-can-handle-the-nbc-eligibility-truth/ #DonaldTrump #ElonMusk #RonDeSantis #naturalbornCitizen #PresidentialEligibility #2024Election #VivekRamaswamy #NikkiHaley
CDR Kerchner (Ret)
http://www.ProtectOurLiberty.org
http://www.kerchner.com/protectourliberty/naturalborncitizen/TheWhoWhatWhenWhereWhyandHowofNBC-WhitePaper.pdf