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by Joseph DeMaio, ©2023 

(Dec. 6, 2023) — In response/comment to your humble servant’s post here, P&E contributor, reader and nbC warrior CDR Charles Kerchner (Ret) suggested asking Bing AI if any of the Founders understood French.  The response could shed light on a predicate foundation for the Founders’ use and understanding of Emer de Vattel’s treatise, “The Law of Nations” – and in particular Book 1, Ch. 19, § 212 thereof defining the criteria for a “natural born citizen” –  even if only a French edition was available to them as they drafted the Constitution in 1787. 

Memo to P&E readers: an English translation appeared in London in 1760 and was thus plainly available in 1787.  The claim of the Congressional Research Service (“CRS”) in CRS Report 74188632 that none of the Founders could possibly have relied on de Vattel’s tome or its § 212 definition of a natural born citizen because no English translation of the treatise was available until after 1787…, is absurd.

Taking Kerchner’s “hint” – analogous to John Jay’s July 25, 1787 “hint” to George Washington regarding the wisdom of restricting the presidency to a “natural born Citizen” – this morning, your servant asked Bing AI: “Did the Founders understand French when they were drafting the Constitution?”

The response was interesting:

“Oui [i.e., French for “yes,” confirming that Bing AI is not altogether humorless…], several of the Founding Fathers and drafters of the United States Constitution had a proficiency in French. Allow me to illuminate this fascinating historical connection:

  1. Thomas Jefferson: As the principal author of the Declaration of Independence, Jefferson was well-versed in French. He even spent time in France as the U.S. Minister to France during the American Revolution. His admiration for French Enlightenment thinkers influenced his political philosophy.
  2. James Madison: Often referred to as the Father of the Constitution, Madison was deeply familiar with the works of the French political philosopher Montesquieu. Montesquieu’s ideas on the separation of powers significantly influenced the structure of the U.S. government. Madison could quote Montesquieu extensively during the Constitutional Convention of 1787.
  3. George Mason: Although less well-known than some other Founding Fathers, Mason played a crucial role in shaping the Bill of RightsHe was a close student of Montesquieu’s writings, which emphasized the importance of individual liberties and the need for checks and balances in government.
  4. Benjamin Franklin: While not a drafter of the Constitution, Franklin was instrumental in securing French support during the American Revolution. He traveled to France, negotiated treaties, and helped secure the 1783 Treaty of Paris, which officially ended the war. His diplomatic skills relied on his knowledge of French.
  5. Charles-Louis de Secondat, Baron de Montesquieu: Although not an American Founder, Montesquieu’s work profoundly influenced the drafters of the Constitution. His magnum opus, “The Spirit of Laws”, provided key constitutional concepts, including the separation of powers. Many drafters knew long passages from his writings by heart.

        In summary, the French language and French political philosophy played a significant role in shaping the American constitutional system. The spirit of liberty that Montesquieu championed found its way into the very fabric of our nation’s foundational document.”

Accordingly, the Bing AI confirmation that the Founders both spoke and understood French when drafting the Constitution should put to rest the stupid claim by the CRS that they could not have understood Emerich de Vattel’s treatise or, in particular, its § 212 definition of a “natural born citizen.”  Stated otherwise, having a “proficiency in French” is not exactly being without any knowledge of it, as asserted by the CRS in its feeble attempt to cobble together its own flawed nbC definition based on simply substituting the term “Citizen” for the term “subject” in the British term “natural born subject.”

The more one questions Bing AI and studies its answers, the more one should be convinced that the Clement-Katyal “citizen at/by birth” theory about who might constitute an nbC… is demonstrably wrong.  

According to Monticello.org, Thomas Jefferson was fluent in at least four languages, including French

But for the “de Vattel-Deniers,” facts don’t matter: only outcomes matter, which reminds one of the saying that “Few are to be more pitied than the willfully ignorant.”  And none are to be more doubted and dismissed than the purveyors of the falsehood that the Founders did not understand French.  That latter group includes the lawyers in the CRS, the repository of “the nation’s best thinking.”  Really?

Finally, for all P&E readers, but on a slightly different but more timely topic: Joyeux Noël!  And if you don’t understand French, “Google” the term.

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Jonathan David Mooers
Thursday, December 7, 2023 6:33 AM

“Few are to be more pitied than the willfully ignorant.” – ?

Good work for the Homeland, Joseph DeMaio, and P&E staff.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Willful_ignorance

A smart man knows what he doesn’t know [accepts facts].
An ignorant man doesn’t know that he doesn’t know [accepts fictions].
A willfully ignorant man knows what he doesn’t want to know [accepts factions].- JD Mooers

Keeping an open mind means well, until it means “in one ear and out the other”!- JD Mooers

The only way to change some peoples’ minds is to shoot them in the head [Adolf Hitler comes to mind]. – JD Mooers

Joe Leland
Wednesday, December 6, 2023 11:39 AM

Folks need to be careful in using AI for research as these lawyers found out. They used Chat GPT to write a legal brief in a law suit. The chat bot filled the brief with citations from fake cases with made up quotes.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/mollybohannon/2023/06/08/lawyer-used-chatgpt-in-court-and-cited-fake-cases-a-judge-is-considering-sanctions/?sh=43d729d67c7f

I had a similar experience with Bing’s AI bot when I asked it about Zephaniah Swift’s 1795 treatise on the laws of Connecticut and his statement that children born in Connecticut to alien parents were natural born subjects. Bing AI said Swift opinion was wrong because the Connecticut Supreme Court decided in the case of Doe v Phillips (1830) that such children were aliens. When I couldn’t find Doe v Phillips in the Connecticut Supreme Court archives, I asked Bing AI what was the case about. Bing AI responded it had made a mistake that Doe v Phillips is not a Connecticut case but a Missouri case about a sexual offender registry.

Joe Leland
Wednesday, December 6, 2023 9:53 AM

I asked the Bing AI about William Rawle’s statement on natural born citizen here is it’s reply:

William Rawle was a prominent lawyer and jurist who wrote a treatise on the Constitution of the United States in 1825. In his book, he expressed his opinion that anyone born within the United States, regardless of the citizenship of their parents, is a natural born citizen and eligible to be president or vice president. ¹

Rawle’s view is consistent with the 14th Amendment, which was ratified in 1868 and states that “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.” ² The Supreme Court has also affirmed that anyone born on U.S. soil and subject to its jurisdiction is a natural born citizen, regardless of parental citizenship. ³

However, there is some uncertainty over whether a person that is born outside the U.S. but still becomes a citizen at birth through a statute is a natural born citizen. For example, children of U.S. citizens who are born abroad may acquire U.S. citizenship at birth, but it is unclear if they are also natural born citizens. The Constitution does not expressly define “natural born” nor has the Supreme Court ever ruled precisely upon its meaning.

Therefore, Rawle’s statement is not wrong, but it is not the only possible interpretation of the natural born citizen clause. There may be other factors that could affect the eligibility of a person to be president or vice president, such as dual citizenship, renunciation of citizenship, or adoption. Ultimately, the question of presidential eligibility may be a political question that can only be decided by Congress rather than by the courts.

Source: Conversation with Bing, 12/6/2023
(1) Natural-born-citizen clause (United States) – Wikipedia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural-born-citizen_clause_%28United_States%29.
(2) natural born citizen | Wex | US Law | LII / Legal Information Institute. https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/natural_born_citizen.
(3) In the United States, what is a Natural Born Citizen?. https://www.unitedstatesnow.org/in-the-united-states-what-is-a-natural-born-citizen.htm.

Reply to  Joe Leland
Wednesday, December 6, 2023 1:21 PM

Attorney William Rawle’s arguments citing British Statutes as to who is a “natural born Citizen” in arguments in cases he brought before the Supreme Court of Pennsylvania were totally rejected by the Supreme Court of Pennsylvania, which court cited Vattel’s definition as the correct definition. See this report: “A Digest of Select British Statutes, Comprising to the Report of the Judges of the Supreme Court, Made to the Legislature, Appear to be in Force , in Pennsylvania, With Some Others. With Notes and Illustrations. by Samuel Roberts, President of the Courts of Common Pleas, of the Fifth Judicial District of Pennsylvania (1817)”. See pages 18-27 regarding the decisions on “natural born Citizen” of that report which cite Vattel’s definition and rejects British Statutes, a copy of which can be obtained and downloaded here: https://www.scribd.com/document/644929092/A-Digest-of-Select-British-Statutes-Still-in-Force-in-PA-published-in-1817-by-Samuel-Roberts

CDR Charles Kerchner (Ret)
Author: Natural Born Citizen
http://www.kerchner.com/books/naturalborncitizen.htm
http://www.ProtectOurLiberty.org

James Carter
Reply to  Joe Leland
Wednesday, December 6, 2023 7:10 PM

To equate “citizen” in the 14th Amendment with “natural born Citizen” in Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 is to deem the words “natural” and “born” superfluous.

Here’s what the primary author of the 14th Amendment, Congressman John A. Bingham of Ohio, stated about the issue”:
“All from other lands, who, by the terms of your laws and in compliance with their provisions become naturalized, are adopted citizens of the United States; all other persons born within the Republic, of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty, are natural born citizens. Gentlemen can find no exception to this statement touching natural born citizen except what is said in the Constitution in relation to [Native American] Indians.” — Congressional Globe, 1862

“I find no fault with the introductory clause, which is simply declaratory of what is written in the Constitution, that every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen”. — Congressional Globe, 1886

“of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty” and/or “of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty” leave absolutely no room for “interpretation”.

“Words matter” — Barack Hussein Obama

Nikita's_UN_Shoe
Wednesday, December 6, 2023 8:46 AM

I queried Internet search engine DuckDuckGo about Benjamin Franklin’s ability to speak French. These three are among the many websites supplied:
https://www.benjaminfranklin.org/
https://www.distractify.com/p/did-benjamin-franklin-speak-french
https://founders.archives.gov/documents/Franklin/01-22-02-0172
Hope this helps

Reply to  Nikita's_UN_Shoe
Wednesday, December 6, 2023 1:38 PM

You are very correct. Benjamin Franklin is cited in history as receiving new copies of the 1775 French edition of Vattel’s “Law of Nations or Principles of Natural Law” soon after it was published: https://www.thepostemail.com/2010/05/03/jefferson-used-vattels-the-law-of-nations-to-write-our-founding-documents/ and https://www.scribd.com/document/63130788/Ben-Franklin-thanks-Charles-Dumas-for-Copies-of-Vattel-s-Law-of-Nations-or-Principles-of-Natural-Law So the founders were quite familiar with Vattel’s words and many of those founders were also framers of the U.S. Constitution in 1787. Those who say otherwise are historically illiterate on the subject of many of the founders and framers being fluent in French, the diplomatic language of that time, or being deliberately duplicitous and gas lighting.

CDR Kerchner (Ret)
http://www.ProtectOurLiberty.org
http://www.kerchner.com/books/catalog.htm