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by Joseph DeMaio, ©2023

Virginia Minor became an early figure in the Women’s Suffragette movement, although not living to see the passage of the 19th Amendment allowing women to vote

(Jul. 17, 2023) — Well, faithful P&E readers, here we go again.  As another “exploratory” candidate for president appears on the scene – Dr. Shiva Ayyadurai –, it may be prudent to once again revisit the Supreme Court’s 1875 decision in Minor v. Happersett.  

While the major holding of the case (i.e., that Missouri’s denial of suffrage to women did not violate the 14th Amendment) was abrogated 45 years later in 1920 by the 19th Amendment, the question remains as to whether the decision’s other “observations” and “comments” remain viable and relevant to the “natural born Citizen” (“nbC”) presidential eligibility question. 

The answer to that question, in turn, may impact not only Ayyadurai’s candidacy – competently explored here – but may in addition cast useful light on the questionable presidential candidacies and bona-fides of many others, including Vivek Ramaswamy; Nikki Haley; Kamala Harris; and, of course, Barack Hussein Obama, Jr.  A subsequent offering will address Dr. Ayyadurai’s eligibility arguments.

Turning specifically therefore to the decision in Minor v. Happersett, 88 U.S.162 (1875) – and totally apart from the now-abrogated women’s suffrage issue addressed by the Court in ruling against Virginia Minor the relevance of the surviving, non-suffrage and non-abrogated portions of the opinion to the nbC issue remains.  Those portions relate to the Court’s following observations, found at 88 U.S. 162, 167-168:

“The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that.  At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first.” (Emphasis added)

This language is usually cited by advocates of the “natural born citizen” definition found in Book 1, Ch. 19, § 212 of the 1758 seminal treatise of Emer de Vattel, The Law of Nations (hereinafter “§ 212”).  There, de Vattel posits that a natural born citizen is defined – not merely labeled or categorized – as a child born in the country wherein the mother and father are already its citizens, whether themselves natural-born or naturalized. 

Interestingly, in the “open source” entry for the Minor decision found at en.Wikipedia.org, footnote 13 states as to the Court’s comment regarding the definition of an nbC that the Court was “paraphrasing Emerich de VattelThe Law of Nations, book I, chapter XIX, section 212.”  This is a significant, albeit non-judicial and non-precedential observation, because it specifically acknowledges that the definition of an nbC as adopted by the Court was the one which, “[a]t common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar…,” was most likely directly traceable to § 212. 

Whether that extra-judicial “paraphrasing” statement carries evidentiary weight aside, it is most likely empirically correct.  In any event, moreover, it is entirely consistent with the Court’s coupled statement that, unlike other children born at variance with the § 212 criteria, there were never any “doubts” about the nbC status of a child born here to citizen parents. 

Because the historical and Supreme Court record is replete with examples confirming the reliance of the Founders on the thinking of de Vattel and the principles set out in The Law of Nations while drafting the Constitution, they will not be repeated here.  Suffice it to say that the Founders were quite familiar with de Vattel and his treatise – both in the original 1758 French and 1760 translation – and that detractors’ efforts to undermine their reliance on the treatise are fatuous.  And wrong.

However, for those detractors who reject the “de Vattel” § 212 definition, the Court’s language immediately following the quoted “never as to the first” statement above is usually interposed by them to claim that the quoted five sentences constitute “dictum,” and thus cannot be treated as binding or of any precedential value at all.  That “immediately following” language states:

“For the purposes of this case it is not necessary to solve these doubts. It is sufficient for everything we have now to consider that all children born of citizen parents within the jurisdiction are themselves citizens.” (Emphasis added)

Thus, since the Court itself declared that it was unnecessary to “solve these doubts,” it is clear that the nbC issue would not be directly made a part of its main “holding” regarding its women’s suffrage decision.  Furthermore, the language “these doubts” referenced by the Court as not needing immediate resolution refers to children born here to alien parents, not to children born here to citizen parents, as was the case with Virginia Minor and as to which there had never been any doubts regarding their nbC status.  Those children as to which “no doubts” regarding their status were, by definition, “natural born citizens” in the eyes of the Court, precisely fitting the § 212 definition.  Thus, only statements about the former class were regarded as “dictum,” while observations as to the latter class were excluded from the former class.

In the “normal course of events,” that comment by the Court has been argued by “de Vattel Deniers” as being sufficient to deem the “never as to the first” sentences dictum.  And as noted by the Court in Jama v. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, 543 U.S. 335, 351, n. 12. (2005), “[d]ictum settles nothing, even in the court that utters it.” (Emphasis added).

There exist, however, recognized exceptions to the general “dictum settles nothing” rule.  For example, as discussed here, if a court in a murder case makes the empirically true side or “passing statement” that “pi is the mathematical ratio of the circumference of a circle to its diameter,” while that statement may be totally unrelated to the defendant’s guilt or innocence, it remains a demonstrably provable fact.  No one – except perhaps the mathematically-challenged current occupants of the White House – would disagree.  This is an example of “obiter dictum.”

On the other hand, while “obiter dictum” – passing side comments having little or no relevance to the issue actually before the court – may settle nothing, certain other “side comments” also unrelated directly to the issue under consideration may constitute “judicial dictum,” a different species of dictum.

Judicial dictum is an expression of a judge’s opinion on a point involved in a case, normally argued by counsel and deliberately mentioned by the court, and is generally regarded in lower courts as being precedential and authoritative despite technically being dictum. Specifically, it is a statement made in passing by a judge in a case that is not directly necessary to the decision, but is considered authoritative because of the judge’s position. 

In the context of statutory interpretation, much like the interpretation of constitutional language, “obiter dictum” constitutes an aside or a passing unnecessary extension of comments within an opinion, while “judicial dictum” provides a construction of language to guide the future conduct of inferior courts and “must be given considerable weight and cannot be ignored….” (Emphasis added).  See, e.g., United States v. Bell, 524 F.2d 202, 206 (2nd Cir. 1975).

Few would argue that judicial dictum emanating from a Supreme Court Justice can or should be ignored without consequence.  While judicial dictum is an additional statement made by the judge that is not necessary to the decision, it is nevertheless important to understand that dictum can still be empirically correct and useful.

With this distinction between “obiter dictum” and “judicial dictum” in place, it is posited that the “never as to the first” remarks of the unanimous Court in Minor constitute, at minimum, judicial dictum and, indeed, are arguably a necessary part of the actual “holding” of the case and thus of binding precedential weight.

Specifically, because the issue in the case first turned on whether Virginia Minor was a “citizen” otherwise entitled to vote if she were a male, the Court was obliged to address that threshold issue before addressing the suffrage issue.  The Court noted that she was “a native born, free, white citizen of the United States, and of the State of Missouri, over the age of twenty-one years.”  See 88 U.S. at 163.

She was born in 1824 in Caroline County, Virginia to Warner Washington Minor (a cousin of George Washington) and Maria Timberlake Minor, both citizens of the United States. With those facts as a starting point, the Court recognized her as being not only a “citizen,” but also as an nbC. 

Accordingly, its discussion of the nbC issue and the issue of who might – or might not – qualify as such in reaching its conclusion that she was, in fact, a “citizen” within the meaning of the 14th Amendment cannot properly be characterized as obiter dictum.  The critical threshold finding that she was a “citizen” under the 14th Amendment was a crucial foundational component of the “holding” in the case that, despite her status, the 14th Amendment did not preclude Missouri from denying her the right to vote.

The completely ironic facet of the decision was that, even though she was not allowed to vote under Missouri law, she would have otherwise (but for the culture of the day) been eligible to run for and, if elected, serve as president under Art. 2, § 1, Cl. 5 of the Constitution.  Perhaps this irony was one of the reasons compelling her to become one of the leading proponents of women’s suffrage in the years following the Court’s adverse decision.  Lamentably, she died in 1894 and never saw the passage in 1920 of the 19th Amendment, abrogating the main holding of the Minor decision. 

But I digress.

Even if the Minor Court’s “never as to the first” language were to be deemed “dictum,” it plainly fits the definition of judicial dictum rather than obiter dictum.  And because it emanates from the unanimous opinion of nine Supreme Court Justices, it should be accorded binding, precedential authority on the definition of who the Founders intended to be eligible to the presidency: a “natural born Citizen” as defined (not categorized) by Emer de Vattel in § 212. 

Stated otherwise, lower court decisions which ignore this result – including, among others, the otherwise ill-reasoned Indiana Court of Appeals decision in Ankeny v. Governor of the State of Indiana, 916 N.E.2d 978 (App. 2009) – do so at the risk of ultimate reversal…, assuming the U.S. Supreme Court discovers the courage to stop “evading” the presidential eligibility issue.

As an interesting sidelight to the Minor decision, one Robert Laity – who in 2020 unsuccessfully challenged the eligibility of Vice-President Kamala Harris because the Court held that he lacked “standing” – has recently initiated AI (artificial intelligence) “exchanges” on a computer platform with a program calling itself “Bing.”

https://harvardlawreview.org/forum/vol-128/on-the-meaning-of-natural-born-citizen/

The first series of “conversations” between Mr. Laity and Bing yielded the expected “de Vattel Denier” party line that an nbC was anyone who was a “citizen at birth” or a “citizen by birth.”  Without citing the 2015 articleOn the Meaning of Natural Born Citizen” by Paul Clement and Neal Katyal, addressed and critiqued here, here and here, the Bing response to Mr. Laity reads like a Cliff’s Notes® version of it. In addition, in subsequent exchanges with Mr. Laity, the Bing responses are replete with references to the Clement-Katyal article, despite its myriad shortcomings. 

More recently (i.e., yesterday, 7/16/23), The P&E’s intrepid editor posted a follow-up report on additional exchanges between Bing and Mr. Laity.  In addressing the decision in Minor and in response to a correction pointed out by Mr. Laity, Bing acknowledged the language of the case confirming that there had never been any doubts about the nbC status of children born here to citizen parents.  But then Bing added:

“However, it is important to note that this statement was made in passing while discussing the issue of whether the right to vote was one of the ‘privileges or immunities’ of citizenship protected by the Fourteenth Amendment.  The Court’s ruling did not specifically address the definition of a natural-born citizen or establish a binding precedent on the matter.” (Emphasis added)

There you go: “made in passing,” the dog-whistle signal for “dictum.”  Your humble servant begs to differ with Bing.  As the preceding portions of this offering demonstrate, there would seem to be a pretty good if not compelling argument that the “never [any doubts] as to the first” statement in Minor is, at minimum, judicial dictum to be accorded great weight as authoritative precedent emanating from the highest court in the nation. 

Moreover, because that discussion of what the Founders believed constituted an nbC under the familiar “nomenclature” of the day was directly related to the threshold determination of Virginia Minor’s citizen status, the statement should be deemed part of the “holding” of the case and neither obiter dictum nor judicial dictum.  And recall that the Court’s acknowledgment that it was not necessary to “solve these doubts” in the case before it referred to the “doubts” over the status of children of alien parents, and not the children of U.S. citizen parents, as to which there had never been any doubts as to their nbC status.

It grows increasingly clear that platforms touting the wonders of AI are simply extensions of the Left’s propaganda apparatus.  The label “AI” could just a well be an acronym for “Advanced Indoctrination.”  Joseph Goebbels, the Third Reich Minister of Propaganda, would be proud: if misinformation is repeated sincerely and long enough, people will in time come to accept it as the truth. 

Indeed, in the initial exchanges between Mr. Laity and Bing, the AI guru characterized Emer de Vattel as only a Swiss “legal philosopher,” when he was, in addition, an attorney and judge. Bing also asserted that his 1758 treatise, The Law of Nations, “is not a legal authority on the meaning of natural born citizen in the U.S. Constitution, which was written in 1787.  The U.S. Constitution does not cite or refer to The Law of Nations or Vattel anywhere.”

The Swiss philosopher Emmerich de Vattel wrote “The Law of Nations,” which was heavily referenced by the Framers of the U.S. Constitution. Source: Wikimedia Commons, public domain

Memo to Bing: U.S. Supreme Court Justices of widely differing judicial philosophies have over many terms and years when pondering fundamental constitutional questions – including as recently as June 15, 2023 in Haalland v. Brackeen, – have cited, recognized, approved, referred to and acknowledged the significance and continuing influence of Emer de Vattel and his treatise on this nation’s jurisprudence.  To intimate or suggest otherwise – as do virtually all of the AI guru Bing responses to Mr. Laity, along with repeated references to the Clement Katyal article – is to propagate misinformation.  The antidote to misinformation is research and correct information.

Minor v. Happersett’s “holding” or “judicial dictum” regarding the nbC issue should result in the conclusion that, if one is not born in this country to parents who are already U.S. citizens, that person is not eligible to the presidency or, via the 12th Amendment, the Vice-Presidency. The Supreme Court needs to find an eligibility backbone before the tsunami of the “citizen at/by birth” and “anyone-born-here-can-be-president” narrative renders contrary discussion and analysis meaningless.

Conclusion

Problematically, one of the other comments of the Court in the Minor case states, 88 U.S. at 177-178: “If uniform practice long continued can settle the construction of so important an instrument as the Constitution of the United States confessedly is, most certainly it has been done here. Our province is to decide what the law is, not to declare what it should be.” (Emphasis added)

Translation: if a “uniform practice long continued can settle the construction of the Constitution,” then the more often and widespread the rote narrative of “anyone born here can be president” is propagated, the more likely it will come to be accepted as “settling” the issue.  And that acceptance will occur not only in the electorate at large, but in the judiciary, including at the highest level. It has already established a beachhead in the Ankeny decision.

Formal group photograph of the U.S. Supreme Court as of June 30, 2022

Guru Bing contends that “it is up to the courts [sic: the U.S. Supreme Court is the single one that matters] to interpret the Constitution and determine the precise meaning of the term “natural born citizen.”  While this is absolutely true, it would help if the Supreme Court would stop “evading” the issue. 

Until that happens, the debates will likely continue until, lamentably, misinformation and indifference to the history and realities of the eligibility clause could overtake reasoned analysis, and the “uniform practice long continued” of accepting the prepackaged narrative that a “citizen at/by birth” is “good enough for government work” will come to be accepted as the truth.

The Founders would not be pleased.

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Jonathan David Mooers
Thursday, July 20, 2023 7:14 AM

RUINATION NATION 08-28-08- TODAY

>PRECEDENTIAL PRESIDENTIAL nbC UNDERSTANDING of 1789- 08-28-08:
https://www.scribd.com/doc/48856102/All-U-S-Presidents-Eligibility-Grandfather-Clause-Natural-Born-Citizen-Clause-or-Seated-by-Fraud

>nbC-TREASON DAY 08-28-08:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXFwqUi3zR0&feature=youtu.be

>nbC-REASON DAY 08-28-09: https://www.thepostemail.com/

>nbC CRIME OF THE CENTURY = 100% NATIONALLY SYNDICATED (and “SINDICATED”) U.S. JUDICIARY NETWORK EVADES JOHN JAY’S “natural born Citizen” IN ORDER TO FOIST AN UNKNOWN FOREIGN-CITIZENSHIP “presIDent Obama-Soetoro” ONTO TRUSTING U.S. VOTERS: http://tesibria.typepad.com/whats_your_evidence/birther%20case%20list.pdf

>WILL The Post & Email “nbC- KNOWLEDGE PATRIOTS” NOW UNITE AND GO PUBLIC IN TANDEM WITH U.S. REP. JIM JORDAN’S BIDEN CRIME FAMILY INVESTIGATIONS TO EXPOSE THE TREASONOUS and CONSTITUTIONALLY NULL AND VOID PELOSI+CLINTONS+BIDENS+OBAMAS+”THIEF JUSTICE” ROBERTS nbC-CONSPIRACY-PRESIDENCY ?

Active knowledge is power; captive knowledge is useless. – JD Mooers

Wednesday, July 19, 2023 9:36 PM

Re-posted at the Free Republic site as an excerpt and then with a link back to ThePostEmail to read the entire article re this excellent legal analysis by Joseph DeMaio.

See: https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/4169134/posts

Recently that site has not been allowing postings and/or active comment threads regarding “natural born Citizen” articles that don’t help candidates like Vivek Ramashamy, Nikki Haley, or Dr. Shiva Ayyadurai. We’ll see if this thread is allowed to gain active commentary there.

CDR Kerchner (Ret)
Author: Natural Born Citizen
http://www.kerchner.com/books/catalog.htm
http://www.ProtectOurLiberty.org

Wednesday, July 19, 2023 12:47 AM

Lest us not forget this coverup/hiding of the Minor vs Happersett (1875) SCOTUS decision in a major online court cases database in the run up to the 2008 election: https://cdrkerchner.wordpress.com/2011/10/21/justia-com-surgically-removed-%e2%80%9cminor-v-happersett%e2%80%9d-from-25-supreme-court-opinions-in-run-up-to-%e2%80%9908-election-by-atty-leo-donofrio-naturalborncitizen-wordpress-com/

Reply to  CDR Charles Kerchner (Ret)
Wednesday, July 19, 2023 10:49 PM

I now see that Atty Donofrio’s links no longer work. I’ll have to try and find copies in the WayBackTimeMachine and update the links.

Reply to  CDR Charles Kerchner (Ret)
Wednesday, July 19, 2023 11:00 PM

I found a WayBackTimeMachine link to Atty Donofrio’s research regarding the attempts to hide the Minor v Happersett case in the search results at Justia.com :

Here is a link to the above Donofrio article via the WayBackTimeMachine: https://web.archive.org/web/20111028175231/http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/

CDR Kerchner (Ret)
http://www.ProtectOurLiberty.org

phrowt
Tuesday, July 18, 2023 5:41 PM

Let me add my thanks and recognition of your excellently researched and well written article. As a complete novice to anything related to the courts, I am in awe of you and all the contributors (Mario Apuzzo, Rob Laity. Cdr. Kerchner, and others I have forgotten) to the Post Email. I also have much gratitude for Sharon Rondeau who has continued to provide this avenue over the years.
As I have read many of the articles related to this issue, since Obama, I am always left with a couple of questions. Should the US Supreme Court, using your words and Justice Thomas’s, find the courage to stop evading; what would be the results if all the illegal decisions/actions taken by the past usurpers were addressed? Maybe this is why the Court is evading and will continue, as cowards, to evade. Reversing or making Null & Void even the most egregious actions may create so much chaos that the past will continue to be ignored and swept under the rug so to speak.
Lastly, is it already meaningless?

Bob68
Reply to  phrowt
Wednesday, July 19, 2023 12:06 PM

The truth would send a lot of people from both political parties to prison or worse.
The many who did nothing to stop, and now are protecting Obama are not worried about chaos, but they are very worried about protecting themselves. This has been obvious since the moment John Roberts swore-in the race, and once sworn-in ineligibility protected, Barack Hussein Obama……….

Today Obama, Biden and others are still protected by Congress and others complicit in The Obama Fraud as they continue the cover-up of the treason they committed when they gave America’s government and her military to her enemies via the fraud, Barack Hussein Obama……….IMO something easy to see and understand has been made to seem impossibly complicated as part of the forever cover-up of The Obama Fraud……The bad guys are still winning……..And yes, getting it all swept under the rug is the intent of the many complicit in the Obama fraud and its cover-up. Nothing so obvious has ever been so, “well hidden”……

Patrick Kenzie
Tuesday, July 18, 2023 3:51 PM

Justice Waite wrote that the single question before the Court was if, under the Constitution, a citizen had a right to vote. While in Wong Kim Ark the question was whether a child born in the US to alien parents was a citizen.

Justice Wait never discussed whether a child born in the United States to one citizen parent and one alien parent was also a native or natural born citizen. Were there also doubts about those children’s citizenship?

If the single sentence or partial paragraph of Minor v Happersett is “judicial dictum” then isn’t the multi-paragraph description of the development of the concept of being natural born by Justice Gray in US v Wong Kim Ark also “judicial dictum”?

Reply to  Patrick Kenzie
Wednesday, July 19, 2023 12:30 AM

The statement made as to who is a natural born Citizen without any doubt and it paraphrasing Vattel’s Volume 1 Chapter 19 Section 212 was made in the holding and decision in the unanimous decision of Minor v Happersett (1875) SCOTUS case. In my opinion, that is why it holds more judicial weight than dicta not in the holding and decision. Beyond that, I will have to leave it to the legal scholar Joseph DeMaio to expand on the different kinds of dicta.

Patrick Kenzie
Reply to  Sharon Rondeau
Thursday, July 20, 2023 1:15 AM

I tried to post a comment earlier but it didn’t make it through moderation or the website doesn’t allow comments with links, so I will just leave this simple post.

Mr. DeMaio is wrong that “the case [Minor v Happersett] first turned” on the question of Minor’s citizenship. From the very beginning and at every court level the parties agreed she was a citizen. Happersett demurred.

[“Demurrer. In pleading. …In effect it is an allegation that, even if the facts as stated …be true, their legal consequences are not such to put the demurring party to the necessity of answering them” Black’s A Dictionary of the Law, 1891]

Happersett’s brief to the Supreme Court of Missouri was a single sentence – “The 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution does not apply to this case.”

Rob Laity
Reply to  Patrick Kenzie
Friday, July 21, 2023 4:35 AM

As to who was an NBC there were “Doubts” as to whether or not those persons born in the US (without considering their parents citizenship) were natural born citizens.

There was NO DOUBT that those born in the US to two citizen parents WERE NBCs. Doubted legal premises do not control in a court of law. The court must proceed by applying the standard that is not doubted. In Minor the entire court agreed that their definition is the standard.

JamesJay
Tuesday, July 18, 2023 1:33 PM

Sometimes it matters more why something is said then what is said. The court needed to establish Minor’s citizenship and stated several ways to to that. They chose Vattel’s definition backed up with the laws set forth. They mention that some refer to children of aliens could be citizens but the court puts that off for later. The court did choose to cement this as the true definition of NBC thinking some might later also argue the meaning of NBC.
I also think the Nationality act of 1790 did not expand NBC status to children born overseas, but remove that status from children whose parents were never lived within the jurisdiction. Again not what is said but why. This would also make the definition in the act the true definition at the founding of the country.

Tuesday, July 18, 2023 1:18 PM

Another excellent article by DeMaio.

I do wish to note that for this statement made by “Bing AI”to Laity is totally wrong.

“Bing also asserted that his 1758 treatise, The Law of Nations, “Bing also asserted that his 1758 treatise, The Law of Nations, “is not a legal authority on the meaning of natural born citizen in the U.S. Constitution, which was written in 1787. The U.S. Constitution does not cite or refer to The Law of Nations or Vattel anywhere.”

The Law of Nations is a legal treatise and body of law and authority frequently cited in legal proceedings during the first 50 years of our nation’s existence. The Law of Nations is also cited directly in the U.S. Constitution in the section addressing Piracy and Felonies Committed on the High Seas in Article I Section 8. And Vattel was the number one authority on that subject in the founding and post founding time frame for 50 years.

So much for Bing’s AI to not have even stored the literal words of the U.S. Constitution in its artificial “brain”. All these AI engines have been seeded with left wing propaganda and programmed to ignore by omission anything that conflicts with that propaganda when it comes to political matters, as DeMaio points out.

CDR Kerchner (Ret)
http://www.ProtectOurLiberty.org

Ted
Tuesday, July 18, 2023 9:57 AM

Simply being born in the United States doesn’t make one a citizen let alone a Natural Born Citizen. When the 14th amendment was passed Native Americans weren’t included as they’re subject to tribal jurisdiction, so clearly individuals with divided allegiances such as dual citizens wouldn’t be considered Natural Born Citizens.
The requirements for the Presidency lay out the founders intent, they allowed individuals who were citizens at the adoption of the constitution they did this as they knew it would take a generation to create individuals that were 100% American.
The clause is all about sole allegiance to the United States and only those whose citizenship is 100% American can make that claim.
The media helped conned the public on this issue, Obama isn’t a Natural Born Citizen due to being a British subject at birth, the founders would never have allowed a British subject to ascend to the Presidency but they coined the term birther to discredit anyone who challenged his eligibility. Correct if wrong but one doesn’t recall anyone stating Obama as a Natural Born Citizen they always referred to him as a citizen as if that’s the requirement.
This is going to continue until a Presidential candidate challenges another candidate’s eligibility, perhaps Trump will challenge Kamala’s eligibility. Until then it’s not going to change.

Rob Laity
Reply to  Ted
Friday, July 21, 2023 4:26 AM

According to the DC Code a person can petition the US Attorney General to seek a Writ of Quo Warranto from the US District Court in DC requiring that anyone holding a public office in DC, such as the President or VP, prove that he/she is in office legitimately. If the USAG refuses to do so, there is provision for posting a bond with the court for costs and proceeding in behalf of the US Government. I did so in the case of Laity v Kamala Harris. Unfortunately, it is discretionary as to whether the court will take it up.

Rob Laity
Tuesday, July 18, 2023 5:41 AM

Absolutely awesome treatise. Kudos to Mr. De Maio. There is no higher standard of Citizenship then to be born in a country to parents who are themselves citizens of said country. That said, any variation of the standard mutates the standard itself. So much so that it becomes no longer identical. The founders would have understandably wanted the highest safeguard possible against the foreign intrusion of usurpers into our highest offices. It would be illogical to conclude that they would use two separate terms of art “Citizen” and “Natural Born Citizen” to describe a sole standard of citizenship. It was allowed that a Naturalized Citizen could be a Representative or Senator but the President and Vice-President MUST by law possess a higher standard of citizenship.,naturally attained by virtue of being born of the soil of America and of the blood of Americans. There exists a scale of citizenship starting at Not a citizen and rising to 1oo% Citizen of a country by virtue of birth IN that country to citizen parents. It is the highest standard that the founder’s required and not something in between or lower on that scale.

Bob68
Monday, July 17, 2023 11:58 PM

In the unlikely event the Supreme Court ruled on natural born citizen and stated it means, “born on American territory of citizen parent(s)”, would Congress and Chief Justice John Roberts be given a pass on Obama because, “they just didn’t know?” I don’t think that event will happen, but now I know what courts, judges and “dictum”….mean for America’s future……

JamesJay
Reply to  Bob68
Tuesday, July 18, 2023 1:42 PM

Due to the fact the a real certification of live birth has never been published, the father he claims in public might not be his biological father. I worked in the print industry for thirty years and understand why the document posted on the white house site is a fraud. If he proved to the court his real father a American citizen then the courts would have no choice but to let him be president. By stating that his father was Barak Sr. he admits he is a commonwealth or dual citizen at best. The courts should never let that stand.

Robert C. Laity
Reply to  JamesJay
Friday, July 21, 2023 4:19 AM

Obama must prove that he was born IN the United States and that BOTH his parents were US citizens themselves at the time of his birth.

A fraudulent BC does NOT prove those things.

Robert C. Laity
Reply to  Bob68
Friday, July 21, 2023 4:15 AM

Those born in an American “territory” do NOT meet the jus soli (of US soil) NBC requirement UNLESS that particular territory is “fully incorporated”.

At this time there is only ONE fully incorporated territory of the USA:

Palmyra Atol.

If one is born on Palmyra Atol to parents who are both US citizens, one IS a Natural Born American citizen.