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by Joseph DeMaio, ©2023

(Mar. 28, 2023) — On March 28, 2023 at 11:25 a.m., in response to the article authored by your faithful servant here, one “Lucius Boggs” wrote: “Label this comment – Everything that is old is new again.”

After offering the above observation, the commenter then includes a live link to a 1968 memo of the “Library of Congress Legislative Reference Service,” precursor to the Congressional Research Service, addressing the constitutional eligibility of then-presidential candidate George W. Romney as a “natural born citizen” (“nbC”).  The memo is authored by one Vincent A. Doyle, a Legislative Attorney within the American Law Division of the Service.  Yes, the memo concludes that Romney was eligible.  But wait…, there’s more….

Interestingly, in the Preface, we first find a discussion of competing theories about what constitutes a “natural born citizen.”  Really?  Imagine that.  Then we find this: “There is no definitive answer to these questions, nor can there be one unless and until the United States Supreme Court decides them.” (Emphasis added)

Ummmm… is it just me, or does that not sound a lot like what your humble servant has been claiming here at The P&E for the past…, what…, decade+ or so?

Reading further, we find this: “The critical question, however, is whether, in all instances, one who is made by statute a citizen at and from his birth is, because of that alone, a “natural born” citizen within the meaning of the constitutional requirement. “Citizen at birth” and “natural born” citizen are not necessarily synonymous.  Did the Framers have in mind that only one class of persons might properly be regarded as “natural born citizens”? If so, what was this class? (Emphasis added).

Your servant contends, of course, that the Founders intentionally selected the de Vattel § 212 definition for the Eligibility Clause, a potential that even Mr. Doyle concedes in his memo. And finally, we find this: “If the meaning of the term, as intended by the Framers, can be modified only by a Constitutional Amendment [as contended by your servant and a growing number of others], did the Fourteenth Amendment have any such effect? As indicated, the answers to these questions, in the view of some, are not free of doubt.” (Emphasis added).

Interesting, no?

As for the commenter’s second quote, taken from an 1833 essay entitled “A Brief Exposition of the Constitution of the United States” by James Bayard (a lawyer and one-time Senator from Delaware, at pp. 95-96, we find this: “Considering the importance of the office [of the President], and the great influence it has over the whole government, these qualifications [i.e., those relating to a “natural born Citizen” as well as age and residency requirements] appear well calculated to prevent evils, to which other elective governments have been exposed. Were foreigners eligible to the office, it would be an object of ambition, or of policy, with foreign nations to place a dependent in the situation; (Emphasis added) 

This statement seems clearly to confirm that Bayard recognized the intent of Congress in addressing presidential eligibility to preclude, as much as possible, the insinuation into the presidency of any – as in “zero” – foreign influence.  Moreover, recall as well that competing claims of citizenship and obligation of allegiance can come from two different (or more) nations as to a single person.  The de Vattel § 212 nbC definition eliminates entirely that potential and further fortifies the propriety of its application in Art. 2, § 1, Cl. 5 of the Constitution.

Continuing from the Bayard “exposition,” at p. 96 we find this: “It is not necessary that a man should be born in this country, to be ‘a natural born citizen.’ It is only requisite he should be a citizen by birth, and that is the case with all the children of citizens who have ever resided in this country, though born in a foreign country.” (Emphasis added)

Ummmm… is it just me, or does this not sound like an acknowledgment by Bayard that the “citizen by birth” to which he refers must be a “child of citizens” of the United States?  If they must be the children of U.S. citizens at the time of their birth, not only are they “citizens”; they are “natural born citizens.”  Is this not the crux of § 212 and Art. 2, § 1 Cl. 5? And is it not entirely consistent with the statement in Minor v. Happersett — whether or not labeled “dictum” — that there had never been doubts in the Founders’ minds that the children of U.S. citizens born here were “natural born citizens” of the nation?

In addition, as to status as one being “deemed” to be a natural born citizen even if born “beyond sea,” that anomaly was corrected by Congress in 1795 when it repealed 1 Stat. 103 and enacted 1 Stat. 414 declaring such children born thereafter to be “citizens,” but not “natural born citizens.”  Your servant posits that the de Vattel § 212 and the Eligibility Clause both contemplate birth in the United States, and not in Canada; not in Mexico; not in Panama; not in India; not in American Samoa; and not in Kenya.  And particularly, not in Kailasa.

As Mr. Doyle pointed out in his 1968 memo regarding the eligibility of George Romney, the real question is whether “citizen by birth” or “citizen at birth” alone will suffice to render one a nbC.  While many contend – adhering to the Goebbels Corollary – that the “ghost” of 1 Stat. 103 persists and/or that the “citizen at birth” or “citizen by birth” principles control, as Mr. Doyle noted: “unless and until the United States Supreme Court decides them…,” the debate will continue.

Ummmm… is this not the purpose and ultimate objective of the POPE option?  In closing, your humble servant expresses deep appreciation to the commenter for the opportunity of response.

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Tom Polhaus
Thursday, March 30, 2023 10:44 AM

DeMaio: “Ummmm… is it just me, or does this not sound like an acknowledgment by Bayard that the “citizen by birth” to which he refers must be a “child of citizens” of the United States?”

Yes, it is just you.

Call this the Resolution 511 Corollary where the opinion of the Senate is somehow, someway magically applied to children born in the US to alien parents as well as John McCain. DeMaio conveniently ignores the “though born in a foreign country” clause in Bayard’s statement.

Tom Polhaus
Wednesday, March 29, 2023 10:42 PM

DeMaio: “Interesting, no?”

Maybe to Ted Cruz certainly not to Nikki Haley.

“It is the purpose of this paper to discuss the provisions of the Constitution and laws of the United States which might be considered by the Court in reaching a decision on the eligibility for the presidency of a person born abroad of an American parent or parents” Vincent A. Doyle in his article on the eligibility of persons born outside the US to US citizen parents.

Ted
Reply to  Tom Polhaus
Thursday, March 30, 2023 8:15 AM

Cruz is not a Natural Born Citizen for as a dual citizen he owes allegiance to Canada and is subject to their jurisdiction. Things the framers wouldn’t have allowed in their Commander in Chief. Dual Citizens simply aren’t Natural Born Citizens.

Nikita's_UN_Shoe
Reply to  Ted
Thursday, March 30, 2023 9:39 AM

Is Ted Cruz even a U.S. citizen? I am curious to see his U.S. citizen naturalization documentation. Ted seems to be avoiding the sharing of that proof with We The People.

Mac J. Askill
Reply to  Nikita's_UN_Shoe
Thursday, March 30, 2023 11:56 AM

There’s no indication Cruz would have “naturalization documentation” because he acquired U.S. citizenship at birth from his mother.

Nikita's_UN_Shoe
Reply to  Nikita's_UN_Shoe
Thursday, March 30, 2023 7:41 PM

To Mac J. Askill:
I acquired natural born Citizenship the natural way (law of nature) without any government statutory document (law), because natural born Citizenship is not mentioned in any U.S. citizenship law (Congress cannot deem anyone a natural born Citizen.), because both of my parents were U.S. citizens when I was born in a northern state when there were only 48 of them. Yet, I have proof of my U.S. natural born citizenship; it’s called a birth certificate – something that you neglected to add as PROOF of Cruz’s U.S. citizenship. Rafael E. Cruz, “Show us your (citizenship) papers.”

Mac J. Askill
Reply to  Nikita's_UN_Shoe
Friday, March 31, 2023 11:40 AM

Again, Cruz wouldn’t have naturalization documentation because he never naturalized, as Cruz has been a U.S. citizen since his birth.

Candidates aren’t required to prove eligibility; they attest to it. If some voters have doubts as to a candidate’s eligibility, such voters may choose not to vote for that candidate. But such doubts, standing alone, won’t preclude a candidate from appearing on the ballot or other voters casting their ballots for that candidate.

In other words, if Cruz hasn’t proven his eligibility to your satisfaction, don’t vote for him. But other voters may come to a different conclusion, and may vote for him.

Tom Polhaus
Reply to  Ted
Thursday, March 30, 2023 10:52 AM

Which was the point of Doyle’s article. This is a legitimate area to explore. Unlike the case of children born in the United States and subject to their jurisdiction (for example, Nikki Haley), they are natural born citizens.

Mac J. Askill
Reply to  Tom Polhaus
Thursday, March 30, 2023 12:03 PM

Doyle’s article is over 50 years old at this point. It did not have the benefit of the 2016 election, during which some courts (and other agencies) ruled on Cruz’s eligibility; none found Cruz ineligible. That is, many of issues concerning those born abroad that were noted by Doyle have since been addressed.

Ted
Reply to  Tom Polhaus
Thursday, March 30, 2023 7:38 PM

Haley would only be a Natural Born Citizen if she didn’t hold foreign citizenship and migratory path of her family it’s not out of the question that she acquired foreign citizenship, it would be nice if the media did their job ask posed the question to her , Ranswarmy and Harris.

Mac J. Askill
Reply to  Tom Polhaus
Friday, March 31, 2023 11:46 AM

There are no questions to ask: during earlier eligibility challenges, various courts ruled those born in the United are natural born citizens. For those born in the United States, no court looked to a candidate’s parents’ citizenship.

Reply to  Ted
Friday, March 31, 2023 12:59 AM

Ted Cruz is not a “natural born Citizenship” of the United States. He is missing two legs: https://www.calameo.com/books/005755142fd74d4938169

CDR Kerchner (Ret)
http://www.ProtectOurLiberty.org

Reply to  Tom Polhaus
Thursday, March 30, 2023 9:55 AM

Nikki Haley is not Article II Section 1 Clause 5 constitutionally eligible since since she is not a “natural born Citizen” of the United States. She was born with foreign influence on her at birth with dual citizenship and innate dual allegiance requirements to more than one country: https://www.calameo.com/books/005755142586d99abc427

A “natural born Citizen” is a person born with singular citizenship and sole allegiance to only one country at birth, in our case the USA: http://www.kerchner.com/naturalborncitizen/pol/Three-Legged-Stool-Test-for-Natural-Born-Citizen-to-Constitutional-Standards.pdf

Some others who are constitutionally ineligible are named here: https://www.scribd.com/lists/22182725/Some-Politicians-Seeking-High-Office-Who-Are-Not-A-Natural-Born-Citizen-of-U-S And there are new contenders who are not answering questions about the citizenship and immigration status of their parents when they were born such as Vivek Ramashamy.

CDR Kerchner (Ret)
http://www.ProtectOurLiberty.org

Mac J. Askill
Wednesday, March 29, 2023 5:37 PM

Doyle’s memo doesn’t mention Vattel, let alone make any concession about him.

Jonathan David Mooers
Wednesday, March 29, 2023 12:23 PM

The “natural born [U.S.] Citizen” facts:

1. John Jay invented the concept of “natural born Citizen” (nbC) and sent that concept to the Constitutional Convention on July 25, 1787:
https://founders.archives.gov/documents/Washington/04-06-02-0348

2. John Jay further defined his “natural born Citizen” invention during New York’s ratification of the U.S. Constitution on July 25, 1788, to apply to President, Vice-President, Senators and Representatives and that each must also be a U.S. freeholder (landowner) as well:
http://legalhistoryblog.blogspot.com/2016/05/john-jay-on-natural-born-citizenship.html

3. All previous generations of U.S. Citizens and all their precedential presidential candidates, from Washington’s Inauguration in 1789 until 08-28-08, EVIDENTLY understood John Jay’s nbC invention to mean an UNCONTESTED U.S. citizen born in an UNCONTESTED U.S. jurisdiction to UNCONTESTED U.S. citizen-parents “from the tribe” with UNCONTESTED minimal foreign sympathies:
https://www.scribd.com/doc/48856102/All-U-S-Presidents-Eligibility-Grandfather-Clause-Natural-Born-Citizen-Clause-or-Seated-by-Fraud

4. Some, if not most, U.S. citizen-attorneys today agree with John Jay’s invention, while other attorneys have chosen, instead, to obfuscate the true meaning of John Jay’s “natural born Citizen” invention : https://www.jayweller.com/natural-born-citizen-defined/

5. On 08-28-08, House Speaker Nancy Patricia D’Alesandro-Pelosi, whose mother was an Italy-born citizen, refused to accept John Jay’s nbC invention and some 219 years of previous U.S. citizen adherence to John Jay’s nbC invention, by relying on lying, instead, to nominate Barack Hussein Obama, Jr., who never was, never is and never will be a John Jay “natural born Citizen”, and even Obama’s narrative home state of Hawaii also found Obama to be Constitutionally-ineligible:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXFwqUi3zR0&feature=youtu.be

6. This “nbC-Coup of 08-28-08” alone has led to a smoldering civil war that still harms and divides USA to this day, some 15 years later, thus revealing that John Jay’s “natural born Citizen” invention may be the most important element of the entire 4-page U.S. Constitution: there can only be discord and upheaval when the leading brain inside the White House is naturally ingrained with indelible foreign sympathies from childhood so as to become an obvious unapologetic anti-Constitutional “citizen of the world”.

7. The U.S. Constitution is the supreme law of the land, therefore, the “natural born Citizen” clause therein remains the supreme law of the land 1787- TODAY. One can either follow the U.S. Constitution or amend it, or become a criminal, like Speaker Pelosi, et al, by refusing to adhere to it, especially under oath to do so, and by actively participating in the “08-28-08 nbC-Coup”, or passively going along with the “08-28-08 nbC-Coup”, as million still do today.

8. Until the “natural born Citizen” clause is re-adhered to, and the participants of “the nbC-Coup of 08-28-08” are duly tried and punished for treason, I believe as a 73-year old “natural born Citizen” myself, our Republic will remain a smoldering civil war with our entire complicit nationally syndicated judicial network kept ever-compromised until it confronts the fear of consequences of exposing Obama’s guilt-knowledged “black male blackmail” over our Constitutional Republic.

On this Constitutional element alone, every single legal U.S. citizen can either (1) adhere to John Jay’s nbC intention-invention and prosecute Obama, et al, for fraud and treason, or (2) amend nbC today, or (3) remain a complicit “nbC-Coup 08-28-08” Constitutional-criminal in the eyes of all future generations of U.S. citizens.

Bob68
Reply to  Jonathan David Mooers
Thursday, March 30, 2023 10:35 AM

Excellent…thank you Jonathan………

Professor Zorkophsky
Wednesday, March 29, 2023 12:37 AM

“Obvious intent” to where loyalties lie, or may lie, isn’t so obvious if one questions the word “intent”.
The Framers were concerned of misplaced loyalties to the King, and rightly so, I think we can all agree on that.
Blood is never so thick as when one questions loyalties, again, something the Framers understood only too well, having, or witnessing, either themselves, friends, acquaintances and neighbors stabbed in the back one too many times.
Mistrust of deep loyalties is prudent rather than rash. The Founding Fathers understood that, why can’t we?

Professor Zorkophsky

Mac J. Askill
Tuesday, March 28, 2023 10:53 PM

An “option” without action toward it is just a dream.

Mac J. Askill
Reply to  Sharon Rondeau
Wednesday, March 29, 2023 11:56 AM

With respect to this proposal, there has been no indication so far of anyone taking any action (beyond advocating on this site). Nor any indication of an intent to take future action.

Especially from any legislator or governor.