by Joseph DeMaio, ©2023

(Mar. 26, 2023) — Your humble servant again responds to comments from “Lucius Boggs” made on March 24, 2023 at 11:10 a.m. to the article here.
Boggs: Assistant Vice-Chancellor Lewis H. Sanford wrote the Lynch v Clarke opinion not Chancellor Nathan Sanford.
Response: The correction is noted, but a new question arises: does the name “Lewis H. Sanford” appear anywhere in the records of the U.S. Supreme Court as being one of the Court’s Justices?
Boggs: In re Look Tin Sing (1884) came after Minor v. Happersett (1875) not prior to.
Response: Some of the confusion here may arise because Justice Stephen J. Field’s opinion in In re Look Tin Sing – with Supreme Court Justice Field apparently sitting by designation on the panel for the Circuit Court of Appeals for the District of California from which he came – is inconsistent with the prior USSC decision in Minor which he joined.
Curiously, Justice Fields’ opinion in In re Look Tin Sing does not even cite, much less discuss, the decision in Minor or the circumstance that he joined in the unanimous decision.
Moreover, if he had changed his mind after signing on to the decision in Minor – which opinion emphasizes that “[w]e [in the plural, including Justice Field] have given this case the careful 1:consideration its importance demands…”and, nine years later, thought that the natural born citizen “never any doubts” discussions in Minor, even if considered to be dictum, was no longer correct – one would, at minimum, have expected him to acknowledge that fact in In re Look Tin Sing. But he did not.
This may have been because In re Look Tin Sing was a habeas corpus case rather than a 14th Amendment constitutional case. But the fact remains that USSC decisions – including Minor – that arise in the context of the 14th Amendment addressing “citizens” and “citizenship” rather than who may (or may not) qualify as a “natural born Citizen” under Art. 2, § 1, Cl. 5 of the Constitution, do not directly answer the presidential eligibility question. All the more reason to try to get a justiciable “POPE” law “case or controversy” before the Court.
Boggs: I would suggest that “Joseph DeMaio” read Justice Curtis’ dissent in Dred Scott (paying attention to his statement on “natural-born citizen”)
Response: Justice Curtis said in his dissent (15 L.Ed. at 725): “The first section of the second article of the Constitution uses the language, ‘a natural-born citizen.‘ It thus assumes that citizenship may be acquired by birth. Undoubtedly, this language of the Constitution was used in reference to that principle of public law, well understood in this country at the time of the adoption of the Constitution, which referred citizenship to the place of birth.” (Emphasis added) The focus was on “citizenship,” not on who might or might not be a natural born citizen.
Boggs: then read Justice Field’s dissent in the Slaughterhouse Cases (paying attention to his statement on Justice Curtis’ dissent).
Response: Justice Field said, 83 U.S. at 38: “In the Dred Scott case this subject of citizenship of the United States was fully and elaborately discussed. The exposition in the opinion of Mr. Justice Curtis has been generally accepted by the profession of the country as the one containing the soundest views of constitutional law. And he held that, under the Constitution, citizenship of the United States in reference to natives was dependent upon citizenship in the several States, under their constitutions and laws.” (Emphasis added) The focus was on “citizenship,” not on who might or might not be a natural born citizen.
Boggs: Next read Justice Miller’s opinion in the Slaughterhouse Cases (paying attention to his statement on “subject to the jurisdiction”)
Response: Justice Miller said, 83 U.S. at 52: “But the fourteenth amendment does define citizenship and the relations of citizens to the State and Federal government. It ordains that ‘all persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof are citizens of the United States and of the State where they reside.’ Citizenship in a State is made by residence and without reference to the consent of the State.” (Emphasis added) Once again, the focus was on “citizenship,” not on who might or might not be a natural born citizen.
Boggs: and then reading Justice Field’s opinion [in] In re Look Tin Sing (paying attention to his statement on “subject to the jurisdiction”).
Response: Justice Field’s statement on ‘subject to the jurisdiction’ is found at 21 F. 906: “The first section of the fourteenth amendment to the constitution declares that ‘all persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States, and of the state wherein they reside…” and “[t]he words … mentioned except from citizenship children born in the United States of persons engaged in the diplomatic service of foreign governments, such as ministers and ambassadors, whose residence, by a fiction of public law, is regarded as part of their own country.” (Emphasis added). Once more, the focus is on “citizens” and “citizenship.,” not on who might or might not be a natural born citizen.
Boggs: “After finishing those, maybe [DeMaio] could answer whether he thinks Justice Field might be one of the “authorities” who “include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their parents.”
Response: After perusal of those opinions, your humble servant accepts the invitation to opine on whether Justice Field “might be one of the ‘authorities’ who ‘include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their parents.’
Your servant first responds that, whether or not Justice Field might be included in the “de Vattel Denier” group of persons being addressed in Minor, the reality is that such classification is irrelevant. This is so because each of the suggested opinions, at bottom, focuses on the neologism “natural born citizenship.”
As explained here and here, the term “natural born citizenship” is a neologism, a synthetic, concocted term having meaning only in the mind of the one doing the concocting.
Stated otherwise, “natural born citizenship” is a neologism seeking to blend the concept of a “natural born Citizen” under a de Vattel § 212 definition and as set out in Art. 2, § 1, Cl. 5 of the Constitution with the decidedly different terms “citizen” and “citizenship” addressed in the 14th Amendment.
By attempting to label concepts of “citizenship” as being merely the plural form of a “natural born citizen” as defined by de Vattel, the neologism “natural born citizenship” is hatched and peddled to the electorate and general public – including the Congress – as the purported justification to equate a “14th Amendment “citizen” with an nbC: they are, in the Left’s twisted view, synonymous.
This is nonsense elevated to an art form. Nowhere in the Constitution is the term “natural born citizenship” found. Moreover, the attempt via semantic gymnastics to manufacture and market a meaningless term intended to “settle” the nbC presidential eligibility conundrum is juvenile and simply underscores the value of the POPE alternative.

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Using the changeable, “con temporary” and criminally-ignorable laws of man to settle the legal meaning of “natural born Citizen” (nbC) one can first begin with the notion: what do YOU want nbC to mean?
This first decision is often followed by an special assembly of man-made laws and man-made rulings and man-made precedents cobbled together to form some legal hocus-pocus-focus to reach a desired and pre-determined meaning of nbC.
On the other hand, the laws of Nature are so non-negotiable and forever, that, in the Eyes of Nature, a “natural born Citizen” can only mean natural born Citizen, or,
natural (not a naturalized citizen)…..born (birth in one jurisdiction)…..Citizen (sole single allegiance citizen with no need to renounce any inherited or decreed or diplomatic or man-made citizenship(s)).
In the Eyes of Nature, and in the wise eyes of foreign-averse John Jay, there are no footnotes and sidebars and disclaimers and exceptions, and other qualifiers to nbC, UNLESS THOSE QUALIFIERS ARE SPECIFIED OR DEFINED IN SOME WAY FROM WHENCE THOSE THREE WORDS, “natural born Citizen” RESIDE, BEING, WITHIN THE U.S. CONSTITUTION.
And, yet, there are no defined or exceptional qualifiers in the U.S. Constitution, the supreme law of the land, that must be either followed or duly amended.
So, in the Eyes of Nature and John Jay, how did narrative “Barack Hussein Obama, Jr.” get to be “President” when there are no Constitutional clauses like, “natural born Citizen being born to either Citizen or non-Citizen parent(s)”?
So, in the Eyes of Nature and John Jay, how did Rafael Cruz get to qualify as a presidential candidate when there are no Constitutional clauses, like “natural born Citizen born in the USA or born in a jurisdiction of its neighboring countries of Canada or Mexico “?
Both our negligent political parties have gotten away with, essentially, “the Constitution does not define what “natural born Citizen” means, SO WE ARE AT LIBERTY TO DEFINE IT ANY WAY WE DESIRE! Huh?
Who would surrender their mind to this farce majeure?
ANSWER: most likely, attorney-criminals and non-readers of the life of John Jay and, apparently, a certain fictitional character: “Lucius Boggs”.
A smart man knows what he doesn’t know [attracts facts].
An ignorant man doesn’t know that he doesn’t know [attracts fiction].
A willfully ignorant man knows what he doesn’t want to know [attracts factions]. – JD Mooers
I suspect Mr. Boggs, like many today, have eyes that do not see and quite possibly ears that do not hear.
I apologize for not responding to this early comment from “Joseph DeMaio” on my challenge to CDR Kerchner, I only just saw it today.
Here is the Government’s appellate brief in Wong Kim Ark (the text I referenced occurs on page 2);
http://libraryweb.uchastings.edu/library/research/special-collections/wong-kim-ark/AppellantsBrief.pdf
Pay special attention to page 34 where the Government argues against citizenship for Chinese children born in the US and whether they should be “fellow-citizens” because of a “mere accident of birth” and share in the “exalted qualification of being eligible to the Presidency of the nation.”
I found this article by “Joseph DeMaio” unusual and I am not sure what was his point. His whole issue with the term “natural born citizenship” seems forced. For example this statement: “Nowhere in the Constitution is the term “natural born citizenship” found.”
So what? The term “citizenship” is not found in the Constitution either. Does that mean it didn’t exist in 1787? Or the Framers were creating a new word when they used it in the debates of 1787?
The suffix “ship” was derived from old English and appears in early editions of Samuel Johnson’s Dictionary of the English Language such as this 1768 listing for “ship” – A termination noting quality or adjunct, as lordship; or office, as stewardship.
Citizenship then would be the quality of being a citizen and natural born citizenship would be the quality of being a natural born citizen.
An early reference to natural born citizenship can be found in Joseph Store’s 1840 “A Familiar Exposition of the Constitution of the United States Containing a Brief Commentary on Every Clause, Explaining the True Nature, Reasons, and Objects Thereof; Designed for the Use of School Libraries and General Readers.”
On page 167 section 269, Store cites Article II Section 1 eligibility requirements “No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.”
He then explains each requirement starting with the 35 years age requirement (Section 270). In Section 271, he begins the explanation of the two remaining requirements with this statement;
“The other qualifications respect citizenship and inhabitancy.” Citizenship in this case refers to the President requirement of having the quality of a natural-born citizen.
https://www.google.com/books/edition/_/Aew9AAAAIAAJ?gbpv=1
Another use of the term comes from Attorney General Bates’ 1862 opinion on citizenship on page 16:
“And yet I have not read that such unfortunates thereby lost their natural-born citizenship, nor that their descendants are doomed to perpetual exclusion and degradation.”
https://www.google.com/books/edition/Opinion_of_Attorney_General_Bates_on_Cit/zo5EJE0sorgC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=attorney+general+bates+opinion+citizenship+1862&printsec=frontcover
As to Justice Field’s changing “his mind after signing on to the decision in Minor “, he would not need to as the decision does not address the question of the citizenship of children born in the US to alien parents.
Is there any indication any governor or legislator agrees with any of this?
If they do agree with the wisdom of Joseph DeMaio, they can kiss their political career goodbye. Otherwise, it’s unConstitutional dirty political business as usual.
Unsurprising that anyone agreeing with “DeMaio” would be shown the door by the voters.
To: Mac J. Askill
Hmmh. Interesting. To me your comment name phonetically reminds me of that CRS Memo drafter in chief, i.e., Maskell. Noticing phonetic similarities in name spellings is a tool of the genealogist. Like I said, interesting.
In my opinion, if anyone has any legislator or governor interested in hearing more about this, I would not post it hear in this public forum and tip off any OBOT Marxist far-left living Constitution types lurking here such that they can quickly work behind the scenes to try and get to them via powerful establishment political party operative folks and lobbyists in both parties that they may know and try to intimidate or cancel culture any such legislator or governor out of proposing it and/or trying it, even before they even make a decision to introduce legislation. We should just wait until those government officials who may be interested, decide to make their effort on this idea public. I know I’m not going to tell anyone who I am or am not talking to about this idea.
Loose lips sink ships!
CDR Kerchner (Ret)
http://www.ProtectOurLiberty.org
Regardless of possible motivations, no governor or legislator has given any public approval of these ideas. Nor has any proposed legislation in support of these ideas been introduced.
The wait may be very long.
You sound happy in your negative toned pronouncement on the Ogen and DeMaio proposal.
Why don’t you do something positive in words and/or deeds to help make it happen so that SCOTUS will finally have to take on the issue, instead of them avoiding the issue as Justice Thomas said in a sub-committee hearing, and decide it once and for all, which ever side prevails in that decision. Doing that is SCOTUS’ job. To interpret terms and clauses in the U.S. Constitution when there is a dispute on such: https://www.scribd.com/document/21219344/Chief-Justice-John-Marshall-Quote-20091019-Issue-Wash-Times-National-Weekly-pg-15
The progressive left and the constitutional conservative right should both be working to get a ripe case on this subject before SCOTUS in a way to force them to take up this issue and decide the “natural born Citizen” term in a holding of that court that is directly applied to whom is eligible under the “natural born Citizen” term to serve as President and Commander in Chief, and per the 12th Amendment the VP too. Don’t you agree?
CDR Kerchner (Ret)
http://www.ProtectOurLiberty.org
Every court so far that has considered the issue of presidential eligibility on the merits concluded a natural born citizen is someone who acquired U.S. citizenship at birth. And the U.S. Supreme Court so far has denied certiorari in every eligibility challenge.
As the U.S. Supreme Court doesn’t grant certiorari when there’s no disagreement among the lower courts, I don’t know why you believe I could accomplish something that prior litigants could not.
I want Joseph DeMaio to be a member of the U.S. Supreme Court when the natural born citizen definition is defined.
From Joseph DeMaio:
If nominated, I will not testify to the Senate Judiciary Committee; if confirmed, I will not serve.