IS A BIRTH IN THE U.S. ENOUGH?
by Sharon Rondeau
(Jan. 10, 2019) — Fox News and other sources reported early Thursday morning that Sen. Kamala Harris (D-CA) plans to announce that she will run for president in 2020.
Harris has failed to answer questions about her parents’ citizenship at the time of her birth in 1964 in Oakland, CA. Her Wikipedia page says that her mother immigrated from India in 1960 and her father from Jamaica a year later. If accurate, neither could have resided in the United States for the requisite five years to apply for U.S. citizenship prior to Kamala’s birth.
Harris’s Wikipedia biography additionally states that she grew up in Canada from age 7 through high-school graduation, something she has not publicized on her Senate website.
Harris’s Senate office has not responded to queries from a constituent, Gary Wilmott, who first contacted her in December 2017 regarding her rumored plans to seek the presidency and whether or not her parents ever became U.S. citizens and if so, when.
The Post & Email’s follow-up article dated August 19, 2018 article titled, “Is Kamala Harris Eligible to be President?” continues to go viral on the web.
The Post & Email was unable to reach Harris’s office by phone on at least two occasions and received no response to an email last month asking similar questions about her constitutional eligibility for the Oval Office.
Article II, Section 1, clause 5 of the U.S. Constitution requires that the president be a “natural born Citizen,” which appears to denote a higher level of allegiance than simply “a Citizen of the United States,” the requirement stated in Article I for U.S. representatives and senators as well as respective residency requirements.
The president must also be 35 years old or older and have resided in the United States for at least 14 years.
In 2007, Barack Hussein Obama’s eligibility began to be vigorously questioned given that credible, mainstream reports said he was born in Indonesia or Kenya and that Obama himself claimed a foreign-citizen father who never became a U.S. citizen. More recent reporting from a former detective who conducted a 5+-year investigation into a “long-form” birth certificate image posted at whitehouse.gov on April 27, 2011 said to be a scan of Obama’s original birth certificate from Hawaii revealed that two U.S. intelligence-community agents have averred that Obama’s foreign birth is “an open secret” in Washington, DC.
Two forensic experts agreed that the birth certificate image could not have originated with a real, paper document, Mike Zullo reported at a final press conference on December 15, 2016 stemming from the investigation spearheaded by former Maricopa County Sheriff Joseph Arpaio.
Sen. Ted Cruz’s presidential eligibility has also been questioned as a result of his birth in Canada to a then-Cuban-citizen father and presumed U.S.-citizen mother. Cruz has never substantiated even basic U.S. citizenship by releasing a copy of a Consular Report of Birth Abroad (CRBA), if his parents ever obtained one for him following his birth in Calgary, Alberta on December 22, 1970.
Citizenship information on anyone, including public figures, is not releasable to FOIA requesters, the State Department informed us. The same holds true for the Canadian government.
The late Sen. John McCain’s eligibility was the focus of scrutiny in both 2000 and again in 2008 when he sought the presidency due to his birth in Panama to U.S.-citizen parents, one of whom was an admiral in the Navy at the time.
I still believe O to be an illegitimate President due to his claim of Obama Sr. To be his father.
Kamala raises same concern.
Just curious, my son was born in Asia to two Americans (me/wife both NBC’s but living as Expats; is my son not considered a NBC? I almost don’t care as I don’t want to return to Liberal scum policies.
Cheers!
What say everybody get on the same page and replay the Court Martial of LTC Terry Lakin, but this time allow Lakin to exercise his Constitutional rights by demanding that Obama/Barry Soetoro release the real BIRTH CERTIFICATE?
Also let’s get a judge who follows the UCMJ (as written prior to 2008).
And get a Joint Chief’s of Staff — who believes in the Oath to the Constitution they took — to oversee the legality of it all.
Let’s go back in time and do it right before we get more lowlife’s like Kamala Harris coming out of the woodwork.
Vattel’s Law of Nations Book I contains the description of the term “natural born citizen”. At the time of the writing of the Constitution, educated people studied and understood his work to be the definitive work on government. It’s meaning was understood, was common knowledge and therefore there would have been no need to explain it.
This is from XIX
§ 212. Citizens and natives.
The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children; and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent. We shall soon see whether, on their coming to the years of discretion, they may renounce their right, and what they owe to the society in which they were born. I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country
Bob 68, With all due respect, aren’t you listening to what I have been saying for eleven years now, HERE on the P&E? The US Supreme Court has ALREADY done what you speak of. There are no less than SIX SCOTUS precedents defining,affirming and reffirming that a “Natural Born Citizen is one born IN the United States to parents who are [BOTH]US Citizens themselves”. The Six cases again are, The Venus.,Minor v Happersett,Wong Kim Ark and Shanks v Dupont. Also see: Laity v NY and Obama and Laity v NY,Cruz,Rubio and Jindal wherein the USSCt. declined to revisit the previous four cases. It is established law since the early 1800s that “One born IN the US to parents who are US Citizens themselves are Natural Born citizens…to this there is NO DOUBT [emphasis added]”-Minor v Happersett,USSCt., (1874). Those Judges and public officials who have ignored these precedents are flagrantly malfeasant and should be disbarred and/or impeached.
Bruce McKay, One point on Dukakis. If he was born in Massachusetts to two naturalized US Citizens he is an NBC as long as both of them naturalized before Michael’s birth in the US. Add to your list, Kamala Harris, Bobby Jindal,Arnold Swarzennegger and Tulsi Gabbard.
FYI, if Obama was born in Hawaii as he says he was why is it that NO Hospital has ever said he was born there?
https://socialismisnottheanswer.wordpress.com/hospitals-in-hawaii-to-obama-you-were-not-born-here/
Gary Wilmont,
Thanks for your reply, and I agree the Supreme Court should rule on the meaning of “natural born citizen” …..and the two Obama appointed liberal judges should recuse themselves……but that isn’t likely. As you said, we must keep up fight.
“You mopes only question the citzenship of a US born child when they are non white.” – – Bud Love
First of all, the issue at hand is NOT whether a person born here in the US is a citizen. The issue is whether or not they are a “natural born citizen” for purposes of Article II eligibility to the offices of either President or Vice-President of the United States.
Second, there are a number of people whose eligibility for the office have been questioned.
Chester Arthur, whose father was a British subject and didn’t naturalize as a US citizen until some years after Chester Arthur’s birth.
Christopher Schurmann (Labor candidate 1896), who was born in the US to parents who were both German citizens at the time of his birth.
Charles Evans Hughes (1916 Republican candidate), whose father was a British subject at the time of Charles’ birth, though he naturalized sometime after Charles was born.
Barry Goldwater (Republican candidate 1964) Though born to US citizen parents, Goldwater’s birthplace, Arizona territory, wasn’t a state at the time he was born.
George Romney (Republican candidate, 1968), born to US citizen parents in Mexico
Lowell Weicker (Republican candidate, 1980), born to US citizen parents in Paris.
Roger Calero (Socialist Workers Party candidate, 2004 & 2008), born in Nicaragua to parents who were not US citizens.
Michael Dukakis (Democrat candidate, 1988) born to naturalized US citizen parents in Massachusetts.
John McCain (Republican candidate, 2008), born to two US citizen parents on the Coco Solo Naval Air station in the Panama Canal Zone.
Barak Obama (Democrat Candidate, 2008 & 2012), whose father was a British subject at the time of his birth.
Mitt Romney (Republican candidate, 2012) some questioned whether his father, George Romney, who was born in Mexico, was in fact a US citizen at the time Mitt was born.
Ted Cruz (Republican candidate, 2016) born to a US citizen mother and a non-US citizen father outside of the United States.
Marco Rubio (Republican candidate, 2016) born in the US to parents who were not US citizens at the time of his birth.
My suspicion is that both Goldwater and Dukakis would legitimately be classified as natural born citizens. I would also lean in that direction regarding Mitt Romney, primarily on the basis that George Romney was likely a statutory citizen at birth under Rev.Stat. § 1993.
Of the rest, Calero, Cruz & Rubio are of latin decent, but, with the exception of Obama, the rest are old white guys. Your assertion that *only* the eligibility of non-whites is questioned is demonstrably “false”, particularly if you look at the historical record.
Bob68…you may well be right…BUT the American people who have brought the NBC issue to the forefront have always deserved a fair hearing in the courts and also from our so-called representatives. We were betrayed on all fronts and of course the media reinforced this corruption by lying and ridiculing those who fought hard for the Constitution. We deserve nothing less than a ruling by the USSC on this issue. Personally it will be difficult to see how they contort the intent of the Founding Fathers and the intent and true meaning of Natural Born Citizen. Probably our only hope is that the left overplays it’s hand in an effort to remove Donald Trump and once backed into a corner Trump let’s loose with all the evidence of Obama’s identity fraud. For now, we must keep up the fight. The truth is on our side.
“Several courts using Supreme Court precedent have said this is settled law.” – – David Lassing
I would appreciate it if you would cite a single US Supreme Court majority opinion that indicates that someone born in the United States to one or more parents who are not US citizens are considered by The Court to be “natural born citizens”.
Every instance I’m aware of in which the Supreme Court has either indicated someone is a natural born citizen of a nation/state or eligible to hold the office of President of the United States, notably Ann Shanks in the case of Shanks v. Dupont [See: http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-supreme-court/28/242.html%5D, Kwock Jan Fat in the case of Kwock Jan Fat v. White [See: http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-supreme-court/253/454.html%5D, Marie Elg and “young” Steinkauler in the case of Perkins v. Elg [See: http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-supreme-court/307/325.html%5D, and by implication, Virginia Minor in the aforementioned case of Minor v. Happersett, have been instances in which the person referred to by the Court was one who was born in the country to parents who were citizens.
I believe in part the flood of ineligible presidential candidates following Obama’s successful usurpation of America’s presidency happened to finish off, “natural born citizen”, as required by the framers of the Constitution…..and to clear Obama from any future court decisions which would make his time in office illegitimate. Today, even a Supreme Court packed with Constitutionalist Judges put in place by President Trump isn’t likely to make any decision which would find Obama ineligible after 8 years as the putative president. It appears the new standard will be “U.S. Citizen”…..nothing more than that. We will have gotten there by ignoring the Constitution..
BIRTH LOCATION PEDIGREE: NATURAL CITIZEN vs NATURALIZED CITIZEN
ADULT BRAIN PHILOSOPHY: AMERICA FIRST [Trump] vs FOREIGN FIRST [Obama]
Generally, before anyone can enter a US commercial flight, they must first go thru formal screening. Ticket holders can protest any screening activity by pleading invasion of privacy, harassment, racism et al, however, they likely won’t board any plane until their PRESUMED GUILT is screened and rendered INNOCENT. All commercial passengers who get to their seats, then, are, essentially, GUILTY UNTIL PROVEN INNOCENT.
Now, We the People on Main Street USA must hold all presidential candidates GUILTY UNTIL PROVEN INNOCENT as well, before one may enter the White House, since our indictable U.S. Government-citizenry has shown since 08-28-08 that it simply CAN NOT BE TRUSTED to vet one of their own, i.e., Obama/Cruz/Rubio/alamaK Harris et al:
1. PUBLICIZE ALL verifiable presidential and vice-presidential candidate IDENTIFICATION DOCUMENTS and LIFE HISTORIES for PUBLIC EVALUATION. Candidates who won’t publicize IDs will simply remain INELIGIBLE to run ( = guilty).
2. Private attorneys and private investigators on Main Street USA screen each presidential candidate and do a thorough CRIMINAL BACKGROUND CHECK. No felons are eligible.
3. No felons (RICO Hillary, COC Holder, VICE-USURPER Biden et al), no foreigners (Cruz, Obama et al), no anchor babies, no one except NATURAL AMERICAN CITIZENS of NATURAL (or duly naturalized) AMERICAN CITIZEN PARENTS will be eligible to possibly enter the White House as America’s Constitutional felon-free President.
RIGHT THIS MOMENT IN 2019, ALL POTUS AND VPOTUS CANDIDATES ARE TO BE CONSIDERED GUILTY OF FRAUDULENT INELIGIBILITY UNTIL PRIVATE CITIZENS, INCLUDING THE P&E READERS, FORMALLY RENDER THEM 100% FELON-FREE, OF LIFE-SENSITIZED “AMERICA FIRST” BRAIN-PHILOSOPHY AND CONSTITUTIONALLY NBC-ELIGIBLE: https://ballotpedia.org/Presidential_candidates,_2020
The reason I’m a regular customer of the Post & Email, is because (outside of a couple paid trolls), those who patronize this site are the most educated group in Constitutional law and interpretation I have found. When an inaccuracy is posted, Sharon corrects it. If the rest of the country enjoyed the same level of intelligence and patriotism as the followers of P&E, we wouldn’t have 90% of the problems we are now dealing with.
Bud Love, McCain was WHITE. Chester Arthur was WHITE. Swartzenneger is WHITE. NONE of these WHITE people are/were Natural Born Citizens of the US. So stop with the hyperbole and empty charges or racism. One’s race is not a license to break the law., whether white,black,red,yellow or brown.
Over at the Conservative Tree House (CTH), an article was posted describing Tulsi Gabbard’s intent to run in the 2020 presidential election. Interesting comments from the readers of CTH.
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/01/11/2-democrat-congresswoman-tulsi-gabbard-announces-her-intent-to-run-for-president-in-2020/
“The question would arise if a person from Sweden, Russia, South America, or anywhere else in the world were born in the United States to non-citizen parents and then declared him- or herself a US presidential candidate.”
If they met the 14 year residency requirement and was over then 35 years of age they would be eligible but possibly not electible.
Several courts using Supreme Court precedent have said this is settled law.
BTW how is your special project going? Any results soon?
Post Script: I suggest that We the People exercise our influence on our representatives and urge that a Presidential Eligibility Board or Commission be established to vet ALL candidates for that office and that of Vice-President. This would be a step in the right direction aimed at protecting our nations sovereign integrity as American. One can just look at a news program to see that electing non NBCs has already had a disastrous effect on our country. President Trump, who is a 100% NBC (BOTH of his parents were citizens and he was born in Jamaica, NY) loves this nation. Obama, a person of mysterious origins who has not proven where or when he was born, hates this nation. Obama has proven that by his actions.
Here we go again. In the past I have filed ballot access challenges in TWO States (NY and NH) against Cruz,Rubio and Jindal (in 2016). Before that I filed challenges against Obama and McCain. The New Hampshire Board of Elections in 2016 threw up their hands and asked at one time “When will this issue be resolved”. Challenges have been filed by several others besides just me. That illustrates that people DO know what the definition of Natural-Born Citizen is. Now Kamala Harris and more I assume, who are NOT NBCs, will try AGAIN to inculcate foreign influence into our sovereign nation’s government. As Americans,it is our solemn DUTY to stop these interlopers. I urge everyone reading this to read my book “Imposters in the Oval Office”. I have been involved in this issue for 11 years now. A Natural Born Citizen is one born IN the United States to parents who are both U.S. Citizens themselves at the time of birth of said person. See: Minor v Happersett, The Venus, Shanks v Dupont and Wong Kim Ark. All U.S. Supreme Court rulings which defined and affirmed what an NBC is. Also see Laity v NY & Obama and Laity v NY & Cruz, Rubio & Jindal, USSCt. wherein the Court, having ample opportunity to reverse the findings in the four previous cases, decide NOT to do so.
This is why Obama,McCain,Cruz,Rubio,Jindal,Swarzenegger and Harris as well as Chester Arthur, purported “President #21” are/were not eligible to BE President under A2S1C5, USConst. NONE of the cited individuals are NBCs. This is happening on our watch. It is a moral imperative that it be stopped now. We have enjoyed our freedoms because of the blood shed by our ancestors. It is morally incumbent on us, even to the point off shedding blood, if necessary to ensure the promise of those same liberties and freedoms for our “posterity”.
She was born in Oakland and that makes her a US citizen. It’s outlined in the Constitution. (You say you love the Constitution. I doubt it)) You mopes only question the citzenship of a US born child when they are non white.
Not true. The issue is not whether or not she is a “US citizen,” but rather, whether or not she meets the threshold of “natural born Citizen” of Article II, Section 1, clause 5 of the U.S. Constitution. The question would arise if a person from Sweden, Russia, South America, or anywhere else in the world were born in the United States to non-citizen parents and then declared him- or herself a US presidential candidate.
Kamala Harris is not a “natural born Citizen” of the United States: https://www.scribd.com/lists/22182725/Politicians-Who-Are-Not-A-Natural-Born-Citizen
If birth in the United States is enough, then every illegal anchor baby could grow up to be POTUS according to the current nonsensical interpretation of the 14th Amendment currently bestowing birthright citizenship.
Obviously that was not the intent of the Founding Fathers and those who voted to amend the the Constitution in 1868.
As for Natural Born Citizen (paying attention Kamala? you too Rafael Jr.): Vattel’s “The Law of Nations,” was the most influential book on the law of nations for 125 years following its publication. The first English translation appeared in 1759. Numerous editions of “The Law of Nations” were printed in England during the eighteenth century, which were widely read in the American Colonies, along with editions in the original French.
Vattel in Bk 1 Sec 212, states the following.
§ 212. Citizens and natives.
The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children; and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent. We shall soon see whether, on their coming to the years of discretion, they may renounce their right, and what they owe to the society in which they were born. I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.
Note: The legal doctrine of coverture was very much in practice, hence the reference to the father’s citizenship being a prevailing factor as the mother’s citizenship was subsumed by that of the American father.
Tony…Harris was born in Oakland, California, to FOREIGN CITIZEN PARENTS presumably legally residing in the United States.. Where do you come up with information that her parents were residents of Canada at time of her birth? Which of course implies erroneously that Harris was born in Canada. Obviously Kamala Harris cannot be a Natural Born Citizen and as such is constitutionally INELIGIBLE to be POTUS (Article 2) or VPOTUS (12th Amendment).
@Sharon Rondeau
First and foremost, God Bless You.
Second, unless/unitl Kamala Harris herself proves otherwise I think it’s only fair to assume that her Wikipedia page is correct — she was born to a Tamil [citizen] mother and a Jamaican [citizen] father. That being the case, she cannot be a natural born citizen because a non-natural, man-made, law, in this case the 14th Amendment, cannot produce a natural born citizen.
P&E Knowledge Patriots:
1. The U.S. Constitution is the law of the land.
2. Most of our U.S. Government is indictable for KNOWINGLY allowing multi-citizen Barry Soetoro-Obama II to be an on-going FRAUD presIDential candIDate/incumbent presIDent/ex-presIDent 08-28-08- TODAY; an Unidentified Foreign Operative who possesses neither the PREDIGREE (born in America of two U.S. citizen parents) nor the life-sensitized “America First” brain-PHILOSOPHY to be a true Constitutional president as the Founding Fathers intended. DONALD JOHN TRUMP sets today’s bar for “natural born Citizen” citizenship. https://canadafreepress.com/2009/williams091209.htm
3. The FRAUD OBAMA homeland homework is over and stored in the P&E archives herein for a thorough 10 year (2009- 2019) continuous daily referencing.
Therefore, let us go forward in the 2019-2020 general election cycle to DENY ANY PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE ANY CONSIDERATION OR BALLOT NAME PLACEMENT OR SPEECHES OR FUND-RAISING ET AL UNTIL AFTER EACH PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE P-R-O-V-E-S FULLY, VERIFIABLY AND IRREFUTABLY TO WE THE PEOPLE ON MAIN STREET USA ( AND NOT TO JUST OUR INDICTABLE U.S.. GOVERNMENT) THAT HE OR SHE IS A 100% ELIGIBLE “natural born Citizen” AS THE FOUNDING FATHERS AND THE U.S. CONSTITUTION ORIGINALLY INTENDED IN 1789, WHICH IS STILL THE LAW OF THE LAND TODAY!
NO PROOF = ALL SPOOF = PUNISHABLE ARRESTABLE NBC F-R-A-U-D
SHOW US THE IDfax!
ARREST OBAMA, RELEASE AMERICA
Explain an arguement here. Harris,’s parents were residents of Canada at the of birth ?? Schooled in Canada? At what point do we follow the law. At Kamala time of birth, neither parent were to say the least green card residents of USA in 1964 no dream act, or dry foot law existed. So is Kamala a tortilla, or a flat bread candidate??? Or a repeat Marxist?
Since Harris’s office will not answer any questions about her citizenship or that of her parents, it is hard to know the truth, but her Wikipedia page states that each of her parents was a legal immigrant to the US, one year apart, and presumably holders of green cards at the time. Her father’s biography at Stanford University, where he taught for a number of years, states that he became a US citizen but not the year in which it reportedly occurred. Naturalization records are not releasable under US law for living persons.
https://web.stanford.edu/~dharris/professional_career.htm
Harris’s Wikipedia entry also states that at age 7, when her parents divorced, she and her sister were placed in the full custody of her mother, who obtained a research position at McGill University in Montréal for approximately 11 years. If the information is correct, virtually all of Harris’s pre-college education took place in Canada. While that alone would not preclude her from being a “natural born Citizen,” per se, it raises questions over whether her mother took Canadian citizenship and whether or not she and her sister became dual citizens of the US and Canada so that they could attend school in that country. That is speculation and again, not verifiable with the US State Department, even for public figures.