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“HAD CONGRESS LOOKED AT THIS BEFORE…BENGHAZI MIGHT NEVER HAVE HAPPENED”
by Sharon Rondeau
(May 17, 2013) — In September 2011, Maricopa County, AZ Sheriff Joe Arpaio commissioned a Cold Case Posse to investigate a complaint received from a group of 250 constituents claiming that the long-form birth certificate image which had been posted on the White House website on April 27, 2011 was a forgery. Directly after the release of the image, several highly-credentialed experts produced reports or gave press conferences detailing their findings that the image was, in fact, fraudulent.
The investigation has taken lead investigator Detective Michael Zullo from Arizona to Hawaii to Washington, DC and many points in between both before and after the posse determined last July that the evidence it had gathered surpassed the standard of “probable cause” in the forgery of Obama’s long-form birth certificate.
The mainstream press has taken no interest in the posse’s findings despite, or perhaps because of, its attendant ramifications. On Wednesday of this week, the Associated Press did not find The Post & Email’s report of the forgery newsworthy. On Thursday, commentator Glenn Beck tried to convince his listeners that the matter of the forgery is “a conspiracy.”
Zullo told The Post & Email that the posse’s probe has focused on the crime of forgery and not the “natural born Citizen” question on which many of the civil cases filed over the last five years have been based. The posse is currently seeking a federal-level probe and exposure of the evidence it has gathered which Zullo described as “irrefutable.”
In mid-March, Pastor Carl Gallups, a co-founder of the PPSimmons network, accompanied Zullo to the Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC) in Washington, DC to present the posse’s evidence to “VIPs” in a position to take action on the crime of forgery. Gallups hosts a Friday evening radio show entitled “Freedom Friday” which has carried updates on the posse’s investigation since the CPAC trip. Gallups is author of the Amazon bestseller Magic Man in the Sky and has a ten-year background in law enforcement.
Interest in the forgery evidence has risen among additional “VIPs” with whom Zullo has been meeting in recent weeks. On Wednesday, Zullo told PPSimmons that it appeared to him that “the general public is now on the verge of a great awakening” given the three major Obama regime scandals which are presently front and center in the mainstream press.
Late Tuesday evening, PPSimmons released a copy of an electronic affidavit Zullo submitted to the Alabama Supreme Court in a case brought by Atty. Larry Klayman against Alabama Secretary of State Beth Chapman. On behalf of two Alabama plaintiffs, Klayman’s lawsuit claims that Chapman had not performed her constitutional duty to check the credentials of all candidates for office in the 2012 presidential election.
The Post & Email asked Det. Zullo as to the reasons the posse became involved in Klayman’s civil case and the status of the investigation, to which he gave some eye-opening responses.
DET. ZULLO: Mr. Klayman asked us a while back to supply an affidavit in a Florida case. It was the only civil case where we felt that we could present an affidavit and not have to disclose all of the criminal evidence that we’ve acquired, and we did. Subsequently, as time has gone on, the Alabama case has gone on to appeal – which is obviously unrelated to Florida – and we were asked if we would assist. Sheriff Arpaio made a decision that we would assist in this case.
It was made abundantly clear to Mr. Klayman that we would not release any of the new-found evidence we have which we believe drives a stake right into the heart of this whole issue. It was also with our understanding that this was going to be used as a rebuttal to the Alabama Democratic Party, which supplied an amicus brief to the Superior Court. That was the intent for our documentation to be used, and that’s what we provided.
THE POST & EMAIL: Were you aware that there are reports that three different versions of a birth certificate allegedly belonging to Obama have appeared in the Alabama case, one of which was submitted by the Alabama Democratic Party?
DET. ZULLO: I know that they did submit a version in their amicus brief of a document that we have never seen before. It contains a different safety paper background. There is no indication that this document is on any level authentic. It just seems to be another reproduction of something else, and you have to start to ask yourself the question: “How many versions of this birth certificate are out there?”
THE POST & EMAIL: People who are paying attention are asking that question.
DET. ZULLO: That’s the thing: For people really starting to pay attention to this issue, disregard the hype that is on the internet. Take a look at the affidavit that we supplied, and I think you’re going to get a better feel for what has actually gone on here in this process.
THE POST & EMAIL: I did not find an entry for the case on the court calendar. Do you know if a date has been set for the case yet?
DET. ZULLO: According to Mr. Klayman, it should be heard within three months. That is what he is anticipating.
THE POST & EMAIL: Would the sheriff or posse consider supplying information to any other civil cases if asked?
DET. ZULLO: I can tell you that as it stands right now, we have no intention of participating in any other civil litigation. We decided to do this with Mr. Klayman because of his background as a DOJ prosecutor. We felt comfortable that the understanding between us was that we could not supply everything we have. We’re not going to throw our criminal case into civil litigation; that is just something we’re not going to do. We presented an affidavit that I can attest to because I did the work on the document. I have no intention of starting to throw out affidavit after affidavit. As a matter of fact, Mr. Klayman is the only attorney who has a chain of custody on my affidavit. In other words, I did not present the affidavit to any of the other attorneys who may want to use it. They can throw it in their cases, but I don’t have to testify to it. With Mr. Klayman, the affidavit went from me to him for this purpose, and I will testify to that if called upon to do so.
THE POST & EMAIL: At this point, do you have any way of knowing if they will call you to testify?
DET. ZULLO: I don’t know if they’re even going to accept it. The court can make a decision saying “We’re not going to look at any of this,” or they could actually amend the lower court’s record. It’s my understanding that what could happen in this process is the court can decide to take this information and amend the record of the lower court and then include it as a basis for making its decision.
We don’t know what’s going to happen. I have been told by Mr. Klayman that he would appreciate my presence there during oral argument, and if that is needed as time goes on, I will not hesitate to do that.
THE POST & EMAIL: Are you able to speak at all to the momentum you have been building to effect a criminal prosecution of the forgery of the long-form birth certificate?
DET. ZULLO: We believe we have amassed enough evidence at this point. The legal standard for us is “probable cause,” which means that after you look at everything, the only logical conclusion is that “X” has happened. We believe we have exceeded probable cause. In a courtroom, it is then up to a jury to determine beyond a reasonable doubt that “X” has happened. I can tell you that we believe we are way beyond even reasonable doubt as to what happened; it is a dead certainty what happened here.
The biggest problem that we have now is the process to move forward. We get a lot of flak from people who keep screaming for us to file criminal charges. It’s abundantly clear to me that that side of this equation does not understand the criminal process. We can submit charges and have a prosecutor decide he doesn’t want to pursue this. We can submit charges too early and have it kicked out where they say, “You don’t have enough evidence.”
If we were going to submit charges, which everyone has been screaming about for the past year and accusing us of all kinds of atrocities, we would not have had the information developed just recently that hands-down destroys the credibility of this document. We are not going to file a criminal charge until Sheriff Arpaio is good and ready to do so.
The other thing is that the sheriff is still demanding a congressional investigation, because that is truly the soundest way to get this thing resolved. Congress has powers that we don’t have, and that’s where it really needs to go.
THE POST & EMAIL: Members of Congress have been reticent to acknowledge anything from their constituents on the birth certificate forgery. Do you think they can be trusted to launch a thorough and sincere investigation at any point in the near future?
DET. ZULLO: Let me put it to you like this: We’re now seeing the house of cards collapse. We’re seeing blatant lies flying all around the place, lie upon lie, cover-up upon cover-up. They can’t even get their own lies straight. I think the American people are starting to focus in on this. And as terrible as this sounds, Benghazi was a terrible thing.
Let me try to put this in context. When you haven’t been engaged in anything that puts you in harm’s way, it’s very difficult to relate to it. In my example, if I were a watch commander over a police department at midnight and one of my officers stopped a car and now was engaged in a firefight, and he was on that police radio screaming for help and I tell my other responding officers to “stand down; don’t go,” I am criminally liable for the outcome of that event. People have a hard time understanding that, because unless you’ve ever been in something where guns are pointed at people or shooting has occurred, you can’t really relate to it. It’s something that you see in a movie, and you’re desensitized.
But the IRS is something that everybody fears, and you’re not immune to it. When you have this kind of behavior going on, it gets the attention of the American people. I am hoping that they focus intently now on how Benghazi and the IRS scandal are being handled. I hate to say this, but I really believe, after what we’ve uncovered in this document, had Congress looked at this before we even got involved, when constituents were demanding Congress to look at it, asking for help, Benghazi might never have happened.
THE POST & EMAIL: That’s a powerful statement.
DET. ZULLO: That’s a powerful statement, but that’s what I believe. It is impossible for me to get my head around the fact that the only document ever issued automatically upon your birth is that birth certificate, and this one is a complete fabrication. You have to ask yourself, “Why?”
THE POST & EMAIL: Does the posse have any prospective answers to that question?
DET. ZULLO: We do, but we have to keep that information to ourselves right now. I want people to understand, too, that what I released to the Alabama Supreme Court – there are a couple of new things that people didn’t know – that’s the tip of the iceberg of what we’ve got.
THE POST & EMAIL: So there’s a lot more?
DET. ZULLO: There’s lots more, but the one thing I did put in there which should just defeat this document where it sits is the registrar stamp. It just takes the thing out. If anybody in Congress doesn’t want to look at this, it’s because they made a conscious decision not to look at it.
THE POST & EMAIL: Given that, could members of Congress be held criminally liable at this point with all of the evidence that you’ve assembled?
DET. ZULLO: I don’t know the answer to that. Some of this gets way above my pay grade (laughs). My pay grade is zero!
THE POST & EMAIL: Would you like to say anything about how things might unfold over the summer?
DET. ZULLO: We continue to go forward, and I’m working this thing every day.
THE POST & EMAIL: There have been claims that the donations received by the Cold Case Posse are not being used for their declared purpose. Can you address that?
DET. ZULLO: I can tell you what that’s about. Some people believe that at some point in time, Sheriff Arpaio said that he would file criminal charges. Sheriff Arpaio never, ever said that. That has been proffered for months, but he never said that. In our investigation, there could come a day, even this afternoon, that there is one piece of exculpatory evidence that negates two years’ worth of work. Sheriff Arpaio would never say prematurely, “We intend to…” or “We will.” All Arpaio ever said was, “Congress needs to look at this.”
THE POST & EMAIL: Why do you think you are being targeted when it would seem that everyone’s goal should be to expose the fraud?
DET. ZULLO: At this point, it’s been 18 months that I’ve been in this investigation. We have been accused of taking others’ information. Every time we make an advancement, we are attacked. Everything we have done in this investigation, every trip I’ve taken, every mile on the car, every airplane ticket, every hotel stay, we have to pay for. We don’t get any assistance from the sheriff’s office; we don’t get any assistance from Maricopa County. It is publicly-donated money; we’re a 501(c)3. That’s how it works. For anyone to say that we haven’t used the money properly, I have 18 months into this, and for the first time, the public is getting a glimpse into what we did, which includes two trips to Hawaii. We are attacked every time we put a foot forward, and it is very suspect to me now, especially this last round, which is eerily similar to a disinformation campaign. If you understand disinformation campaigns, the infiltration is with someone who is supportive of your cause and at the same time, proceeds to discredit you as they push forward your agenda. It is eerily similar in verbiage and the method of attack that Obots use against us.
THE POST & EMAIL: I imagine you know who the major Obot players have been and the kind of trouble they have caused.
DET. ZULLO: I am. I really don’t pay attention to them; it’s just recently that it’s being brought to my attention more than ever. To me, the Obots are completely irrelevant to everything we are doing. Not one of them has the credentials; not one of them has any verifiable evidence. I have put it out there numerous times: if you can show me how a one-button scan push can do this to a document, please come in; I’d love to sit here and have you show me. Nobody ever steps up to that plate.
To answer the burning question as to why the Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office will not become involved in civil cases, we are doing our work in a criminal venue, not in a civil arena. We are not in competition with anyone; we’re trying to do something for the public.
THE POST & EMAIL: How have donations been going?
DET. ZULLO: We made a decision after the second press conference to withdraw from doing any media interviews so that we could work without the scrutiny of a liberal press trying to rebuke everything that we’re doing. Our donations have suffered accordingly because people thought for a very long time that we were not doing anything. People actually thought that Sheriff Arpaio had given up. Sheriff Arpaio doesn’t give up.
THE POST & EMAIL: There was a rumor that the sheriff had abandoned the birth certificate investigation after the Justice Department dropped its criminal probe into his alleged abuse of power on August 31 last year.
DET. ZULLO: It absolutely was not true. I know where the rumor started. I don’t understand the thought process, but this is what I do understand with all of this: No one would want us to file criminal charges prematurely so that a prosecutor could say, “I decline prosecution on this,” and then you could raise that flag up high.
THE POST & EMAIL: Many believe that our courts are corrupt and the judges have been bribed or threatened. Do you believe that is what happened in the numerous civil cases which have been filed?
DET. ZULLO: The biggest problem with the civil cases is that the information presented is inconclusive. You can’t verify it. Presenting a PDF file of a birth certificate without a legitimate expert or submitting computer runs out of the civilian sector on Social Security numbers and basing accusations on them is not conclusive. That can’t be done in a criminal court case. The civil standard is “clear and convincing,” which is a lower standard of evidence, and you can’t come to that conclusion. There isn’t going to be a civil judge who is going to look at that and say, “Oh, that’s clear and convincing evidence.”
So all the judges are not corrupt. You could show a PDF file all you want and put up someone who is not an expert and say, “This is what I did and this is what I found,” but there’s too much doubt in the presentation. It’s not clear and convincing, and the sheriff’s office doesn’t get involved in those types of cases.
THE POST & EMAIL: Several retired military people have suggested to me that the birth certificate/identity issue belonged in the criminal arena, which brings us back to what you are doing.
DET. ZULLO: It does belong in the criminal arena because the birth certificate is a fraudulent document. From my perspective, at this point in time, I don’t care where Mr. Obama was born. He could have been born in Hawaii, but I still have a fraudulent document. I have a felony. Somebody created a felony and Obama attested to it as being proof to verify his birth. I didn’t do that; somebody did that; somebody on his staff signed off on this.
Here’s where I think a lot of people have a big problem: They’re going through these civil courts and interjecting the “natural born Citizen” dispute, and there is no definition given by the current Supreme Court.
THE POST & EMAIL: I am not a lawyer, but I believe the mention of “natural born Citizen” in Minor v. Happersett was not the point of the suit; it was a passing reference. The lawsuit was actually about voting rights, and they mentioned that Virginia Minor was born in the country to two citizen parents, which made her a “natural born Citizen.”
DET. ZULLO: I want to be clear: I agree with the argument on “natural born citizen.” We have a document from Benjamin Franklin that makes it very clear that Vattel’s Law of Nations was used by the Continental Congress in the drafting of the Constitution, and that’s where “natural born Citizen” came from. I personally agree that it’s two citizen parents. What’s happened along the line is they conflated what “citizen” means. I don’t want to get into that argument, but the point is, you can’t bring that argument into a civil court and think you’re going to win it. I think that if somebody puts this document on trial, they would find out that it’s a fraud.
THE POST & EMAIL: Would it be like peeling away the layers of an onion after that, finding out who and why and where the forgery was done?
DET. ZULLO: I think that it would go just like that. I think that if the people of the United States would ask themselves the “Why” question: “Why would this happen?” you’re going to come up with “I don’t have an answer,” and if you don’t have an answer, then you have to start asking yourself, “Who would make this happen, what’s the motive behind it, and what would they be trying to conceal?” And after you start asking the questions, I think you’re going to become accustomed to looking at things in a very different light.
We don’t ask questions anymore. We are taught to be subservient to those who have a big college degree, as if they know more than us. We’re taught not to question; we’re taught to listen to the 30-second sound byte and think that you have all of the facts and the particulars to make a decision in any matter, and nothing can be farther from the truth. If people start asking the six questions: who, what, where, why, when and how, you would all of a sudden look at things very differently.
The question is, “Why would somebody do this?” That’s the question that needs to be answered. “Why would somebody create a document to fool me?” because that’s all that is. Leave everything else out of it, and then you can start seeing it unfold from there.
THE POST & EMAIL: Do you think that the current scandals such as the IRS’s discrimination against Tea Party, pro-life, gun rights and religious groups and the seizure of phone records from the Associated Press will assist in bringing the birth certificate fraud to the top of the list?
DET. ZULLO: I would hope that. I’m not sure, because you just don’t know where any of this will go. Let’s be real about it: opponents, when they smell blood in the water, will focus solely on where they can get the kill. I don’t know where it will go, but I can tell you this: The lies that you’re hearing now are not an anomaly; they started with this certificate. This thing was created to be a deception. It’s been attested to as being accurate and true, and it is a fraudulently-created deception. The intent behind it was to deceive.
We need to find somebody in Congress, some judge somewhere, to get away from the “birther” moniker, which was used to tag us and put us into a category so that they could ridicule us more easily. I am not a “birther,” but I’ve been lumped in there now. This is a fraudulent document. This is a fraudulent birth certificate. The inspector general’s report, of which I included a little in my affidavit, comes right out and tells you about the dangers of this thing and how you cannot rely on it as proof of identification or citizenship. That should tell you a lot right there.
So you have to look at this and say, “Let’s not worry about where he was born.” This is a fraud. Who had the audacity to create such a fraudulent document of the president of the United States? Now if that were you or me, somebody would be in possession of an identity theft document.
THE POST & EMAIL: Identity fraud is always in the news.
DET. ZULLO: What’s happening here is that everybody who wants to look at this matter is labeled a nut, a crazy, a tin-foil-hat-wearing freak, and we need to separate it out. My goal now is to change the narrative; get away from all that. This is a criminal case; it’s a fraudulent document; the person on it is “Barack Obama,” and at that point in time, you would think the federal government – Congress – would want to get to the bottom of it. My gosh, they held congressional hearings for steroids in baseball.
THE POST & EMAIL: We’ve now seen that an ABC reporter said that the IRS scandal “likely” emanated from the West Wing.” And an investigation The Post & Email did revealed that a Fogbow radio program guest host identified himself as a member of their group and a “White House attorney.” There is a federal law, the Hatch Act, which prohibits political activity for employees of the federal government.
DET. ZULLO: You have to ask yourself a question about The Fogbow: Who in his right mind sits around and does this all day, unless they’re being paid?
THE POST & EMAIL: We understand that one of them works for the IRS.
DET. ZULLO: If they’re a federal employee and they’re continuing this fraud against the American people and are in some way being compensated for it, they are now part of a conspiracy. You can go into the Title 18 codes to find out about that. There are some problems here.