WHAT IS DIFFERENT ABOUT THE BOOK WHICH CONTAINS OBAMA’S NAME AND BIRTH DATE?
by Ladysforest, blogging at My Very Own Point of View, ©2011
(Mar. 10, 2011) — The material being posted today is owned by myself and The Interrogator. And it cost a big chunk of money and a monster effort to obtain. She does not want her name known, but out of the deepest respect and regard for her, I want you to know how much I owe her, how much we all owe her.
I would like to suggest to others out there using any part of the work and materials that are owned by myself, and first published by this blog, in order to support or further their own work, CITE YOUR SOURCE PLEASE.
What this material will show absolutely is that there is more than one reason to be concerned with the actual Birth Index 1960-1964 that the public is allowed to view at the Department of Health, Honolulu Hi.
First; I did an expose in a different post about the strange entry immediately above Obama’s in the Index book. That page will be re-posted here. What I did not highlight, although I was well aware of it at the time, is that in the 1960-1964 book, THE HEADER ON THE PAGES DOES NOT CONTAIN THE DATE RANGE. This is very significant because in the other Index Data books viewed and imaged that day, the date range is at the top. In all but the book containing Obama’s information. We decided to hold this off a little while because we had something else in the works, but that turned into an anchor for the time being.
The rest of the little story about this trip follows the images.
CLICK TO ENLARGE:
Birth Index 1955-1959, blurry but legible
Birth Index 1955-1959 clearer, but cut off
Marriage Index 1960-1965
Death Index 1960-1964
Out of respect for those passed, I have obscured the names
Obama Birth Index – NO DATE RANGE IN HEADER
Some time ago I was wondering how I could arrange for another trip into Honolulu to verify some information that had been provided to me. And to collect some more material for research.
I must interject here that I am a person who does not like to speculate and call it probability. There is something in my brain that bends away from that, as if I simply can’t do it. My youngest boy is the same…to the .nth power.
Having mentioned that, I’ll get where I was headed. I needed to send another party to Honolulu to verify for me, and to get absolute PROOF for me, that obama’s name did appear in the “Birth Index” 1960-1964, that is available for view to the general public. Regular readers will recall that the first trip I arranged, for a long time close friend to travel to Honolulu, yielded the stunning information that the Birth Index book did not contain obama’s entry on that day in early March 2010 when my buddy (we’ll call him TsunamiGeno) looked for it there. He was stunned, so he checked and rechecked. He then looked for all the other names that were on his to-do list, and when done, went back to looking for obama. He never saw it in the book that day. He is the good person that collected the hundreds of pages of microfilm copies (obama birth announcement work) for me from the libraries in Honolulu, and, added to the ones I collected in person at the Library of Congress, I have the largest collection of this stuff in the United States.
I suspected that he had been “gaslighted” with the Birth Index, but I won’t go into that part further right now. I decided not to publish that part of his experience because I had no PROOF. I believe to this day that he told the straight story, but I had no images to back it up. I had sent a micro camera with him, but being of rather poor quality, and requiring a special practiced “knack” to turn on, he couldn’t get it to run.
Months later, and quite jokingly, I asked a different acquaintance how she felt about making the trip, and she didn’t hesitate to accept. I have always referred to her as “The Interrogator”, not for the work (she collected) that I have published, but for other work she did while in HI on that trip. That stuff is not for public consumption. I have to tell you all, she had nerves of steel to do some of the things she did, to go to some of those places, alone and not sure what to expect. Much of what I am referring to is work to tie up loose ends and to verify in person if a few little things were really on the up and up. That stuff can be downright dangerous. It isn’t important to any of you what she went after, just know that she did do what all of you have been saying needed to be done. She went, and she went in depth, and she didn’t let fear or possible danger keep her from the work she took on for all of us. So, for everyone out there hollering that “somebody” ought to just go on to Hawaii and do stuff in person, she did this on your behalf. She stepped up.
She had a little help. I couldn’t afford to fully fund another trip to HI, so three of us chipped in. We each had an agenda, and to enable mine to be realized I provided The Interrogator with a plethora of cool recording devices. I had to SEE the things I wanted. Again, it is the way my mind functions. This is why I will never say the newspaper microfilms were indeed tampered with-because I didn’t see it done.
The images above are offered as proof that the Birth Index volume is in fact quite different in an important way. It is the only one that lacks the date range. It seems improbable that this would be innocently “overlooked” only in this one book. To suggest so is ridiculous. That is why I published images from the other “types” of books that were printed at the same time the 1960-1964 Birth Index was printed, to show absolutely that the obama Index is the only book lacking the one common, expected, usual official information. The date range.
Discuss amongst yourselves.
Cover of 1960-64 Death Index - Cover of 1960-64 Birth Index at the Hawaii Department of Health
The research undertaking to this point will lend itself to the historical collection of facts that one day will become public knowledge. Be it sooner or later. But one day the truth will be known and the record set straight.
Thank you ladysforest ;)
This is good research in that it exposes the altered index listing. Wrong heading, wrong font, wrong name. Dead wrong on the forged birth announcements however assuming they are legitimate.
http://myveryownpointofview.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/ptdc0030.jpg
That link gives the altered birth index.
The altered index explains the governor’s inability to find the birth certificate. Fukino looked at the altered birth index and assumed there was a birth certificate linked with it without seeing an actual birth certificate.
The forged birth announcments have a similar name. Notice the different size font. Obama, Sr. spelled his name Barrack. In the forged birth announcements people with Sr were listed but not in the case with Obama, Sr. Just listed as Obama.
Looks like a page was removed, altered or a new page was made, and reinserted. The full story on the Obama Birth Announcement Forged
http://www.hoaxofthecentury.com/ObamaBirthAnnouncementForged1.htm
Mrs. Rondeau
I noticed something strange in the data. In the one book it lists the names and addresses of the people in the one for 1961; It lists Obama with 2 addresses. The mother and father living at different addresses. Now I know other people have mentioned they lived at different addresses. but the strange thing is that Obama Ann S has already taken the name of Obama and still does not live with the husband.
I have always had this gut feeling that the mother was paid to have this baby and that the father agreed to give his name. I do not think Obama the son looks like the father. Obama has a thin face and the father has a pudgy face. I think Obama’s face is more like Malcolm X.
Now Stanley Ann might not be the mother either. Malcolm X might have had the baby and used Stanley Ann to hide the baby and raise it for purposes of Malcolm X. That purpose has now come to fruition.
We really know nothing of a President. How incredible. Everyone has taken bribes. Our government is totally corrupted.
Before you dismiss Obama Senior as being the father, you ought to meet Mark Obama. See link below. Mark is the son of Obama Senior and Ruth Nidesand (a white woman).
http://www.google.com/images?hl=en&sugexp=ldymls&xhr=t&q=mark+obama&cp=7&rlz=1R2ADSA_enUS358&wrapid=tljp1295932603233010&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&biw=1006&bih=646
It is true that in Obama’s case a birth certificate is irrelevant. His dual citizenship at birth disqualifies him from being a natural born citizen.
Nevertheless, the birth certificate is important in Obama’s case because he refuses to reveal it. He is obviously hiding something.
Having said that I am frustrated with the fact that most media focus on the birth certificate as if it is the end all in determining Obama’s eligibility.
Why not contact the author of “Hawaii the fake state” and ask him for his help?
Because this is about taking our country back, not making up reasons to divide it. Are you willing to stand for the Union of the 50 or are you a secessionist?
Philistine, I think we’re all here for the same reason-No Need For Snide Remarks!!!!!
Just an FYI to all –
A friend of mine went to Kapiolani Hospital on Sunday 3/5 looking for any commemorative plaque, letter, anything and found NOTHING. He totally walked all the floors and searched every area not restricted to the public and found NOTHING. Kapiolani doesn’t and never has supported his claim that he was born there.
That doesn’t surprise me –
Obama was born in Queen’s Medical Center, remember? LOL
g’faw…g’faw…
Well Ladysforest, if you spent a lot of money getting this information you have just wasted a lot of money because this stuff is irrelevant! Again this unnecessary obsession about Obama’s birth only goes to keep Obama in office until 2012. What is wrong with you people?
The Founding Fathers when creating the Supreme Law of the Land also created two classes of citizen. The citizen and also the NATURAL BORN CITIZEN! I will let you guess which class is superior to the other.
All this dwelling on the birth issue and the lack of focus and attention on the NATURAL BORN CITIZEN really is becoming suspect in my opinion! I am really starting to think that all these inferior efforts are deliberate and are only designed to divert attention away from the heart of the matter which is the NATURAL BORN CITIZEN! If I am correct (which I’m starting to think) this means that all these people who continue to waste energy on the birth issue are in reality working to preserve Obama and therefore possibly in the employ of Obama!
We already know there is a preponderance of evidence on America’s Constitutional Record that says Obama fails to meet the Constitutional requirements to be a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN because of his non citizen father. All attention should be devoted on that! Once it is a national general consensus that Obama is and never was a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN and removed from the people’s White House….then a full and complete investigation into Obama’s origins and past shall be conducted and when complete, a full and complete disclosure can be revealed to the American People!
WE THE PEOPLE MUST BE!
—————————
Mrs. Rondeau replies: The Post & Email publishes all research which aimed at finding the truth about Obama, whether it be his birthplace, parentage, citizenship, educational records, medical records, etc. The research done by Ladysforest shows an anomaly in the birth index book containing Obama’s name which does not appear in any of the other indices maintained at the Hawaii Department of Heatlh from what we know. It is logical to wonder why. In light of the years of obfuscation on the part of that agency and the contradictory statements by two different Hawaii governors, what might that mean?
Please don’t take this personally, Mrs. Rondeau! I didn’t say anything about The Post & Email and its publishing of these types of reports! But I do believe that I express a legitimate concern for when does the research become sufficient for us to move forward towards the removal of this usurper from our White House. From what I see in my opinion, is all research and no action. So I ask when does the action kick into gear?
——————-
Mrs. Rondeau replies: Nothing expressed in comments is taken personally. However, if you have performed research not previously reported here which would expose fraud and corruption, please send a write-up of it to editor@thepostemail.com. We want to publish all information which would assist us in getting to the truth about Obama and those who perpetrated the cover-up.
With all due respect, NUTN2SAY, Ladyforest’s research is very relevant in that it points to intentional deceit/fraud by the Hawaii Department of Health on behalf of Barack Obama/Barry Soetoro.
Is Obama removed from the White House yet? That’s my concern. He is not removed from the White House yet. I see a lot of unnecessary research going on but no movement forward towards his removal! There is more than enough evidence to have Obama removed from the White House right now based on NATURAL BORN CITIZEN and yet no one is going in that direction, they are still obsessed with the birth certificate and Hawaii. I question the wisdom of this and ask why because it seems to be a deliberate obstacle at this time towards achieving justice. All these fine irregularities about Obama can be learned after he is removed when the full and complete investigation has been conducted and completed! Let’s focus all energy on having Obama removed now and then after we can put a final touch on the finish. Like I said earlier all this time spent on unnecessary research is starting to look suspicious. And if people are going to tell me “we need more research” when there are plenty of incriminating facts on hand then I will question that too!
Well, Nutntosay, what plan of action do you suggest?
To speak to nutn2say, one reason to do research is because the obama team points to the”birth records” as proof he is a natural born Citizen. You and I know that to be a natural born Citizen, one must be born of citizens parents, on US soil. So obama, being born a dual citizen would not meet that description. And a condition at birth never expires.
So, if there are anomalies and inconsistencies with his birth narrative, it is helpful to show those, because it helps to cause the argument of his “publicly” available birth provonance to be put into serious question. It takes the tinfoil hat argument away.
I got drawn into the research quite by accident, and never expected to find a thing unusual.
My newspaper microfilm research proved that the stories surrounding the first “discovered” obama newspaper birth announcements had to be false.
When my friend was unable to locate obama’s name in the birth index, I wanted to get to the bottom of that if I could. Turns out that the pages in those books can be removed, and in fact in July the clerk did remove the single page that has obama’s entry and handed it to the researcher. So, it’s not against their regs to remove it.
As to how much it cost, it is my privilege to have spent whatever it took. I grow weary of people that blat about “this must be done, and that must be done”, yet they themselves never do anything but complain. Has the complaining gotten anyone anywhere? No, but the work I participated in has shown solid proof that there are real anomalies, real fraud, real proof of wrongdoing. If it doesn’t shake obama out of the tree, well, what have any of the complainers done better?
I take away talking points from the obots. They said, for example, that the HI officials declared that they no longer issue the “long form” birth certificate, so obama CAN’T get his anymore even if he wanted it. So, we now have a video on youtube of a woman ordering her long form birth certificate in the Honolulu DOH. Busted myth. The first newspaper birth announcement was produced from the State Library microfilm – myth busted. The second announcement was “collected in person”. Myth busted.
How does it help? If these lies are destroyed, they can not be used (by obots) to direct the conversation. We can defeat them with facts, and get the focus where it belongs.
And if even one person on the fence is swayed by the research – it’s worth every cent
To put things in another perspective let’s try this for a change. Forget about Obama being born in Hawaii as claimed. Let’s say for the sake of conversation Obama was born in a taxi cab in downtown Manhattan while the cab was stuck in traffic and all the others who were also stuck in traffic were witnesses to Obama’s birth! Do you think there would be any question at all to his place of birth? I think not! But because of his father Obama would still not qualify to be a presidential candidate. So if that were to be the case, what part of Obama’s ineligibly would Constitutionally minded folks be concerned about? You know the answer to that….NATURAL BORN CITIZEN! Obama’s place of birth is irrelevant and is nothing more than a wild goose chase and you are chasing that wild goose it appears. All your questions and concerns about Obama’s secrecy can and will be discovered and learned if only people would stop chasing that goose and focus on NATURAL BORN CITIZEN! For people to continue this nonsense about the birth records after the passing of more than two years is, in my opinion is a legitimate cause to behold a growing concern that something is wrong with this picture! We should focus on John Jay, Morrison R. Waite and NATURAL BORN CITIZEN in my opinion.
For ladysforest:
I believe you and many others are missing the point that nutn2say is making: no more research is necessary.
Since the time, around June of 2008, evidence was posted on 0bumm0’s website, fightthesmears.com, by FactCheck.org., showing that 0bumm0 was not a Natural Born Citizen of the USA. Now if that wasn’t true then his campaign would of scrubbed it from his website.
My own personal belief is that not only 0bumm0’s campaign but also everyone in Congress knew he wasn’t qualified to be on the ballot and for whatever reason [possibly many] deliberately acted [colluded] in opposition to constitutional law.
One thing I would be interested in seeing: Are the attorneys [Apuzzo, Donofrio, etc.] and law professors [Rice, etc.] in agreement on 0bumm0’s lack of NBC status?
NUTN2SAY:
Ladyforest has it right. Until the birth narrative anomalies are taken seriously, no one will lift a finger to remove the usurper from office. Apuzzo put forth a very convincing NBC argument in his SCOTUS petition. Where did that go? Nowhere. Apuzzo even ran full page ads in the Washington Times. Did that get anyone’s attention? No.
Until that online COLB is deconstructed and proven to be a forgery beyond a shadow of a doubt, NO ONE and I MEAN NO ONE who has the authority to take action will do so. Even the state election bills to require proof of eligibility for ballot placement are falling by the wayside one by one. Anyone who has the audacity to quetion O’s birth narrative is a racist and it is only going to get worse from here until the 2012 General Election, meaning no one touch it with a 10 foot pole.
Where is your website so we can join your crusade to storm the WH in a coup de’tat and remove a sitting President (legitimate or not)? Do you have one? Seriously. That is what it is going to take I am afraid. I suggest that if you feel so strongly, you organize a group and take action. Please don’t just pick apart the research efforts of others and then complain we are not focusing on the right path to Barry’s removal.
If people wanted Obama to qualify as a presidential candidate they should have started the amendment process! They didn’t! They chose to ignore the U.S. Constitution completely. That is a very dangerous precedent that I think many people are overlooking! Many implications want to jump out and scream….what will they do next to violate U.S. Constitution! That’s the bigger picture here, much bigger than a decoy birth certificate which it appears everyone (except me) has fallen for!
You have the federal government rewriting the U.S. Constitution on the fly and whether you realize it or not that puts your freedom and my freedom into a state of crisis! The birth certificate is a trick and people have fallen for it!
Nutntosay, until you’ve seen Barky’s long form birth certificate, you have no proof of whom his father is.
patriots for america . ning . com
website is —– patriots for america . ning . com
NUTN2SAY:
I do not think anyone is necessarily disagreeing with you. The precedents being established by this faux administration are appalling on so many levels. The Constitution, as are our freedoms/liberties, are trashed on a daily basis. To make the assertion that you are the only person who see this is patently false.
Yes, the bc may very well be a red herring to keep the focus off the bigger issue in regard to the definition of a NBC, but it is ALL we have right now. NO ONE is listening to the two-citizen-parent NBC argument. If we take the BC off the table and focus strictly on the definition of a NBC, I guarantee that this issue will die in the minds and hearts of the public. Even most RINOs and conservative talking heads will not acknowledge that Barry does not meet the NBC litmus test or let alone even understand the Framers’ intent. They are the ones in control of the conservative message and achieving the objective without them may be next to impossible.
Again, if you are the only who thinks that we are ignoring the bigger issue, what are you doing to rally the troops behind you? What steps have you taken to bring this issue to the forefront of every American? So far, all I have seen is you pick everything apart and complain.
Auntie Madder also has it right, w/o an authentic bc, we do not even know with a 100% certainty who Barry’s father is. If his father is not BHO Sr. and he was a citizen when Barry was born, you can bet he will get a pass from those in power and from the LSM for hiding this “embarrassing” fact. Anyone who challenges him will be instantly labeled as a racist. You should have figured this out by now.
The birth certificate cannot prove Obama’s eligibility, but it can further disprove it should it show a foreign birth.
Very interesting, but what is the end result??
Does ‘TsunamiGeno’ recall if the volume that he checked had the 1960-1965 date range printed on the headers of the pages?
Do you believe that the actual books of marriage and death indexes were printed in about 1966?
Has anyone been allowed to see the ORIGINAL bound volume containing the index for 1960 births? Was the original index in 1960 compiled by writing, by hand, the name of each newborn, in the alphabetical sections?
One common way, if not the only way, of compiling a registry index is to add the name of each newborn child, in the section for the first letter of the child’s surname, but in the chronological order in which the birth was reported. So, only the first letter of the surname is arranged alphabetically, within the pre-bound volume. Within each letter section, normally with the letter tabs sticking out at the side, the names are listed in the chronological order in which they were registered.
So, under ‘S’, you could have listed, down the column – Simper, Richard born August 3, 1960; Smith, John born July 27, 1960; Smith, Ann born August 2nd, 1960; Schemer, Sneeky born April 1, 1958; Swanson, Deborah born August 5, 1960 and so on. The last entry in the list in the ‘S’ section, being a common letter, would be registered in December 1960. At the end of the year, the list should be blocked off with the signature of the registrar and the total number of entries in each letter section confirmed.
The whole point in compiling a manual registry volume is to leave no gaps in each list, so that it is impossible to slot-in a name later – nor to slot-in a page later. The original hand-written pre-bound volumes of the registry indexes MUST be kept in the archives for verification purposes. If Hawai’i has not done this, then that, in itself, is prima facie evidence of fraud.
———————
Mrs. Rondeau replies: It has already been stated here and elsewhere that Researcher was told she could not see the original handwritten books. Mr. Charlton also asked repeatedly for pages from those volumes and was either refused or ignored.
I can’t get the images to open (must be a security setting on my end) but this is truly amazing research. Just wish there had been more to the story than the index didn’t have a date on it.
———————–
Mrs. Rondeau replies: We do not have the same software as the story’s author; therefore, the images will not enlarge here. Follow the link at the top back to her website to do so. The point of the research is that the book in which Obama’s name appears possesses a different format from any of the others, and the logical question might be, “Why?”