Hawaii Department of Health contradicts AP story

SO WHO IS TELLING THE TRUTH, WHO IS LYING, AND WHO IS COVERING FOR WHOM?

by Sharon Rondeau

To what lengths is the Hawaii Department of Health willing to go to protect Obama, the usurper, who, if born in Hawaii, would have a long-form birth certificate?

(Aug. 26, 2010) — On August 7, 2010, The Post & Email responded to an Associated Press story in which it was reported that the Hawaii Department of Health could make available the Hawaii General Birth Index in one-year increments at a cost of $98.75.  The Post & Email was accurately quoted as having said, “No one here is requesting Obama’s birth certificate, since it is obvious that he doesn’t possess a valid one,” although our statement contradicts the main contention of the article.

However, the Hawaii Department of Health has now indicated that the AP report is incorrect.

Section 92-F of the Hawaiian Revised Statutes reads:

[§92F-2] Purposes; rules of construction. In a democracy, the people are vested with the ultimate decision-making power. Government agencies exist to aid the people in the formation and conduct of public policy. Opening up the government processes to public scrutiny and participation is the only viable and reasonable method of protecting the public’s interest. Therefore the legislature declares that it is the policy of this State that the formation and conduct of public policy—the discussions, deliberations, decisions, and action of government agencies—shall be conducted as openly as possible.

On May 28, 2010, The Post & Email sent a letter by certified mail to Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Director of the Hawaii Health Department.  A return receipt was received on June 4, 2010.  The letter reads as follows:

May 28, 2010

Dr. Chiyome Fukino
Director
Hawaii Department of Health
1250 Punchbowl St.
Honolulu, HI 96813

Dear Dr. Fukino:

RE: UIPA REQUEST FOR RECORDS

Hawaii Law, specifically the UIPA law (http://hawaii.gov/oip/uipa.html), Chapter 92-F, allows for government documents to be released to the public upon request and payment of any costs involved.

On behalf of the corporation The Post & Email, Inc., I am requesting copies of pages from the General Birth Index from 1961 to the present which contain the following names:

Barack Hussein Obama II
Barack Obama
Barrack Obama
Barry Obama
Barry Dunham
Steven Dunham
Barack Davis
Barry Davis
Steven Davis

The General Birth Index is available to the public in the lobby of your department at 1250 Punchbowl Street, Honolulu. We are seeking copies of the actual handwritten pages from the 1960s and ’70s and copies of any original subsequently typewritten pages, but not a computer printout or word-processed summary.

Please let me know what the charges are for copying and preparation of the appropriate pages. Since we are not requesting a birth certificate, death certificate or other data protected by Hawaii state law, there should be no problem in your releasing the information we seek.

Thank you very much.

Sincerely,

Sharon Rondeau
Managing Editor
The Post & Email, Inc.
P.O. Box 302
Stafford Springs, CT 06076
www.thepostemail.com
editor@thepostemail.com

There was no response within the ten-working-day rule, but we gave them a bit more time since Dr. Fukino  had stated that her department had been receiving “50 email inquiries a month seeking access to President Barack Obama’s birth certificate.”  Niesse’s report states that there were “between 10 and 20 weekly requests earlier this year.”

Did Dr. Fukino misrepresent the number of requests for Obama’s information?  Did she lump together requests that were not for information specifically on Obama?  Did Dr. Fukino ask Hawaii state senator Will Espero to introduce the “Vexatious Requester” law to relieve herself and her department from having to back up their public statements with evidence, as is required by Hawaii law?

We therefore sent the following email:

From:  Sharon Rondeau
Sent: Tue 6/22/10 8:03 PM
To: hdohinfo@doh.hawaii.gov

Hello, I mailed a UIPA request on behalf of The Post & Email on May 28, 2010.  I sent it certified mail and received the return receipt back on June 4, 2010.  However, I have not received a response from anyone in your office to our request.  Since I have not heard back from you, I do not believe it has been assigned a case number such that I could refer to it in this communication.

Could you please let me know where our request stands.  We are not requesting birth or death records protected by Hawaiian Law, but we are asking for public records to be released under Hawaiian Statute 338.

Thank you very much.

Sharon Rondeau
Managing Editor
The Post & Email, Inc.
www.thepostemail.com

There was still no response, so we contacted the Office of Information Practices, the agency charged with enforcing the UIPA law.  Their response was:

From:  dawn.m.shimabukuro@hawaii.gov on behalf of oip@hawaii.gov (oip@hawaii.gov)
Sent: Wed 6/30/10 8:37 PM
To: Sharon Rondeau

Ms. Rondeau,

Thank you for your email of June 29, 2010.  Yes, please forward copies of your original written letter request for records and the follow-up email.

Sincerely,
Linden Joesting
Staff Attorney

Office of Information Practices
State of Hawaii
No. 1 Capitol District Building
250 S. Hotel St., Suite 107
Honolulu, Hawaii 96813
Tel.: 808-586-1400
Fax: 808-586-1412
E-mail: oip@hawaii.gov Web site: www.hawaii.gov/oip

and we complied with the OIP’s request:

Thank you for your response.  Attached is the letter written and mailed on May 28, 2010, and the follow-up email is pasted here:

UIPA REQUEST DATED MAY 28, 2010
From: Sharon Rondeau
Sent: Tue 6/22/10 8:03 PM
To: hdohinfo@hdoh.hawaii.gov

Hello, I mailed a UIPA request on behalf of The Post & Email on May 28, 2010.  I sent it certified mail and received the return receipt back on June 4, 2010.  However, I have not received a response from anyone in your office to our request.  Since I have not heard back from you, I do not believe it has been assigned a case number such that I could refer to it in this communication.

Could you please let me know where our request stands.  We are not requesting birth or death records protected by Hawaiian Law, but we are asking for public records to be released under Hawaiian Statute 338.

Thank you very much.

Sharon Rondeau
Managing Editor
The Post & Email, Inc.
www.thepostemail.com

I have heard nothing from anyone at the Health Department, although I do have the return receipt.  If you need that scanned and sent to you, I can do that.

Thank you very much.

Sharon Rondeau

The following response from the Department of Health was then received:

From: hdohinfo@doh.hawaii.gov
Sent: Thu 7/01/10 9:20 PM
To:  Sharon Rondeau, CC: janice.okubo@doh.hawaii.gov; alvinonaka@doh.hawaii.gov

Copied below is the second request that came to hdohinfo on 6/22. If the instructions on the DOH website were followed, the snail-mailed request should have gone to Vital Records. Our office did not get it. I emailed Alvin Onaka to see if his office had received it, and am waiting to hear.

Rike

Finally, on July 13, we received the following response:

From: hdohinfo (hdohinfo@hawaii.gov)
Sent: Tue 7/13/10 8:49 PM
To: Sharon Rondeau
Cc: Linden.H.Joesting@hawaii.gov

Aloha Ms. Rondeau:

This is in response to your UIPA request sent May 28, 2010.  The department has no records responsive to your request as there are no “actual hand prepared books of that period.”  All birth index data is stored electronically, therefore, birth index data is available to the public in the form of pages generated by a computer.

The department can mail you all birth index data from 1960-1964 to allow you to search for all surnames you are requesting.  We require a prepayment of $553.25 to cover our costs in order to send you the records.  Please see the attached Notice to Requestor form OIP 4 (rev. 8/29/08) for a breakdown of the costs to provide you with the records.

If you would like to receive the computer printed pages of birth index data, please send your cashier’s check, certified check or money order to:

State Department of Health
Office of Health Status Monitoring
Issuance/Vital Statistics Section/UIPA Request

P.O. Box 3378

Honolulu, HI 96801

Hawaii Department of Health

Public Information Office staff

Send mail to:

State Department of Health

Office of Health Status Monitoring

Issuance/Vital Statistics Section/UIPA Request

P.O. Box 3378

Honolulu, HI 97801

hdohinfo@doh.hawaii.gov

Before spending that amount of money, we asked two related follow-up questions:
From: Sharon Rondeau
Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 5:19 AM
To: hdohinfo
Subject: RE: UIPA request

Thank you very much for your response to my UIPA request of May 28, 2010.  I have two questions:

1.  What is the date of the birth index data for the years 1960-64?  Has it been generated recently in print form, or would it be generated based upon my request and payment?

2.  Is the requested birth index data available for public inspection and copying at the Hawaii Department of Health at 1250 Punchbowl Street?

Thank you again.

Sharon Rondeau

but we did not receive a response until the end of the month:

From: hdohinfo (hdohinfo@hawaii.gov)
Sent: Thu 7/29/10 8:06 PM
To: Sharon Rondeau

Aloha Ms. Rondeau:
  1. The date of the birth index data is for the years 1960-1964 you are requesting. Copies of the records you request will be produced after receiving your prepayment of costs.
  2. Birth index data is available for inspection, but is not available for copying, at the Hawai`i Department of Health.
Hawaii Department of Health
Public Information Office staff
Send mail to:
State Department of Health
Office of Health Status Monitoring
Issuance/Vital Statistics Section/UIPA Request
P.O. Box 3378
Honolulu, HI 97801

RESEARCHER then told us that the Birth Index had been promised to someone in a stand-alone, one-year format, so we sent the following email to the Department of Health:

From: Sharon Rondeau
Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 4:09 PM
To: hdohinfo
Subject: BIRTH INDEX

Thank you you for your last response.  I understand that the Birth Index is available one year at a time.  You had quoted me a price of $553.25 for the Birth Index for 1961-64.  What would the fee be for just one year?

Thank you.

Sharon Rondeau

We heard nothing back until August 24:

From: hdohinfo (hdohinfo@doh.hawaii.gov)
Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 3:55 PM
To: ‘Sharon Rondeau’
Subject: RE: BIRTH INDEX

Aloha Ms. Rondeau:

We can provide birth index data in five-year increments from 1960 to 1964. As explained in our email to you, dated July 13, 2010, a prepayment of $553.25 is requested to cover our costs, and you must send a request for records with your prepayment.

Hawaii Department of Health

Public Information Office staff

Send mail to:

State Department of Health

Office of Health Status Monitoring

Issuance/Vital Statistics Section/UIPA Request

P.O. Box 3378

Honolulu, HI 97801

hdohinfo@doh.hawaii.gov

We then received the following additional email:

Subject: BIRTH INDEX
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 16:23:30 -1000
From: hdohinfo@doh.hawaii.gov
To: Sharon Rondeau

Aloha Ms. Rondeau:

To clarify: In our ‘notice to requester’ from July 13, 2010, we agreed to grant your request to send data from 1960 to 1964. However, more than 20 days have passed, and if you wish to receive this data, you will need to submit a new request.

Hawaii Department of Health

Public Information Office staff

Send mail to:

State Department of Health

Office of Health Status Monitoring

Issuance/Vital Statistics Section/UIPA Request

P.O. Box 3378

Honolulu, HI 97801

hdohinfo@doh.hawaii.gov

We then responded:

From: Sharon Rondeau
Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 1:58 AM
To: hdohinfo
Subject: RE: BIRTH INDEX

Yes, I understand about the 20 days.  However, I had then presented a new question:  do you provide the index in increments of one year?  I received an answer from you that you do not, but Janice Okubo told Mark Niesse of the Associated Press that you do.  Could you please clarify.

Thank you.

Sharon Rondeau

And they then responded:

From: hdohinfo (hdohinfo@doh.hawaii.gov)
Sent: Wed 8/25/10 9:33 PM
To: Sharon Rondeau

Aloha Ms. Rondeau:

Index data is compiled in five (5) year increments, therefore, we cannot provide one (1) year of index data.  We can provide index data compiled from 1960-1964, however, there is a cost for the records that may be passed on to the requestor in accordance with the state’s Uniform Information Practices Act.

Hawaii Department of Health

Public Information Office staff

Send mail to:

State Department of Health

Office of Health Status Monitoring

Issuance/Vital Statistics Section/UIPA Request

P.O. Box 3378

Honolulu, HI 97801

hdohinfo@doh.hawaii.gov

We then sent the following message:

From: Sharon Rondeau
Sent: Wed 8/25/10 9:48 PM
To: hdohinfo (hdohinfo@doh.hawaii.gov)

Then where did Mark Niesse, reporter for the Associated Press, obtain the information which he quoted Ms. Okubo as having said, that one year of birth index data is $98.75?

The article is here:  http://www.ketv.com/r/24549560/detail.html

Was Mark Niesse’s report inaccurate?  If so, you need to correct him and he needs to issue a retraction.

Thank you.

Sharon Rondeau

and contacted Mark Niesse of the Associated Press as well:

From: Sharon Rondeau
Sent: 8/25/10 10:10 PM
To: mniesse@ap.org

Hello, Mr. Niesse, the Hawaii Department of Health is refuting what you published in your article here about the Hawaii Birth Index being available in one-year increments.  They have told me that it is available only in five-year increments at a cost of $553.25.  I can send you all of the email documentation if you wish.

and repeated the Hawaii DOH’s email to us.

We noticed several days ago that the Associated Press had removed Mr. Niesse’s story from its website, so we located the story elsewhere and substituted it in our August 7, 2010 article.

We are still waiting to hear from both Mark Niesse and the Hawaii Department of Health.  How much of either story is true?  Perhaps legal action against the Department will uncover the truth.

And what about all those foreign-born adults and children to whom the state of Hawaii might have been issuing Certifications of Live Birth to make them look like citizens when they weren’t…

42 Responses to "Hawaii Department of Health contradicts AP story"

  1. SapphireSunday   Monday, August 30, 2010 at 9:30 AM

    That is SO ridiculous. When they give out index data, all they provide is name, sex, and type of event.

    They require you to provide them with two out of three of these facts within your request.

    In essence, they’re charging for giving you one fact (sex) that you probably already know or could logically deduce.

    They don’t even give the date of the event in the index data. This defies common sense.

  2. Bob1943   Sunday, August 29, 2010 at 12:10 PM

    Obama has “produced” a Hawaii COLB. While it is a fake, it is all you are going to see as proof of Obama’s birth in Hawaii. Even with the power of the U.S. government, there will be no long-form Hawaii birth certificate for reasons I have defined here numerous times. There is no Hawaii long-form birth certificate, and there is not going to be one, fake or otherwise.

  3. Texoma   Sunday, August 29, 2010 at 9:14 AM

    Just a couple of observations on this.

    If required, would the most powerful man on the planet, backed by billionaires, be unable to “produce” a piece of paper showing a Hawaiian birth? On the other hand, there exists no document which will ever show Obama Senior to have been a US citizen when Obama was born.

    Does the Supreme Court view precedent cases like other courts do? If, so there are four precedent Supreme Court cases in which the term natural born was defined as being born in the country to citizen parents.

    Also, it is reported that Justice Kennedy would stay on the court until Obama was gone. Seems to me that if he wanted to retire sooner than later, he would have reason to be the 5th and deciding vote.

  4. AuntieMadder   Sunday, August 29, 2010 at 12:36 AM

    These men will have to end the unconstitutional usurpation of the federal government.

    I am positive that you are correct about that.

  5. AuntieMadder   Sunday, August 29, 2010 at 12:34 AM

    Of course we can grasp it and many P&E News readers see it exactly as you do. I don’t and with good reason. Mark my words: If the eligibility issue is brought to the SCOTUS based on NBC alone, the SCOTUS will (re)define NBC so that it includes Oilbama, rendering him eligible. Forget Donofrio and Vattel and all of that because, as far as the SCOTUS is concerned, none of that ever happened or ever mattered. After deciding he is NBC, don’t count on the SCOTUS touching the issue again, not even if provided with video proof of Stanley Ann giving birth to him on a dirt floor in Kenya or on Mars.

  6. Vic Hern   Saturday, August 28, 2010 at 2:37 PM

    As I said, we should zero in on Brennan. Target him, his family, his workers and
    associates. We cannot allow this buzzard to continue to operate with impunity.
    He could not make it this far without stepping on people. Find these people and
    get them to talk and get the media to squawk.
    Make news or lock and load.
    Your choice.

  7. Don Johnson   Saturday, August 28, 2010 at 12:12 PM

    Dear Ms. Rondeau:

    Thank you for your dogged efforts to try to get accurate information on Obama from Hawaii. We are not all a bunch of fools and can see the games played and the stupid errors made by the Dept. Of Health and others is clear. Take any other person in any other state, and you would have had your requested information in a few days, at most. As an attorney of over 30 years, I just want to raise again the issue you did months ago wherein you very correctly covered a case filed by Attorney Leo Donofrio. I have read about every law suit from dozens of attorneys regarding every attempt to show Obama is no constitutionally legitimate. Of all the cases I have read and researched, I personally consider Attorney Donofrio to be in the top when it comes to a careful reading of the Constitution, dicta, and case law. His original position, as very correctly covered by you, is that even if Obama were to sign a release today and if it turned out he was in fact born in Hawaii, per Donofrio, he still does not meet the criteria of a “Natural Born Citizen” per the Constitution. Since Obama even addmitted facts in his book everyone should have read when he was just running for office, ‘Dreams from my father’, it says a lot, and confirms his father was never a US citizen. He also flat said “I dicovered this article folded away amoung my birth certificate and old vaccination forms, when I was in high school.”(page 26, last parag.)

    He has his own BC, it is stashed in a safe place, the unreal fact is every Secty of State in all 50 states failed to demand to see the Original, or a Certified copy, of the full Long form BC. That was unforgivable, and should never ever happen again in the USA, especially after Obama, and when a candidate is running for President & VP. I knew nothing about him, but when I got to the end of the above book, I was flat shocked at his deep anger toward white people, and the USA. The vulgar terms and words in the above book were such I did not read many to some of my friends, I could only say they were four letter words, or worse. I urge every reader to get a copy of that book, and carefully read it. It really tells alot about who he is, and areas of hate.

    I am totally convinced that the Hawaii BC issue is a ‘Red Herring’ (distractor), as attorneys say, and is taking up time and giving false hope to many who still think if he was born in HI, he is legitimate. If your readers can not grasp the position of Leo Donofrio and the great article you did on him, then I feel bad as born in HI does not cut it, he could have been, and he is still flat out not eligible under the Constitution. I do highly commend you for staying on this and putting heat on HI, if nothing more than because they are flat playing games with everyone. Please keep up your great efforts to get to the truth.

    Attorney, looking for Justice

  8. Harry H   Saturday, August 28, 2010 at 12:00 PM

    Hawaii should never have been admitted to the union. It is not united by geography or culture to the rest of this nation. It’s phoney status as a state was only justified by military strategy that was already outdated at the time of its admission. Looks like we built our own Trojan horse when we took Hawaii inside the gates.

  9. Kathy   Friday, August 27, 2010 at 8:56 PM

    Is this where they sent the orphans?

  10. HG   Friday, August 27, 2010 at 8:41 PM

    I don’t believe anything happened to John Brennan’s employees who accessed the Identity-Thief-In-Chief’s passport records at the state dept either.

  11. Tom the veteran   Friday, August 27, 2010 at 7:53 PM

    Speaking of records; this should make it clear as a bell that we are living under tyranny! I just read where one of the 9 people in Iowa that were looking up Obama’s student loan records was convicted. So tell me why the 3 officials from the State of Ohio who instructed their employees to look into Joe the plumbers records were found that, “..while the actions of the government officials were inappropriate, Mr. Wurzelbacher’s constitutional rights were not violated and dismissed the case.”

    Boy oh boy!

    For God and Country

  12. Bob1943   Friday, August 27, 2010 at 7:17 PM

    You can see the Nordyke’s birth certificates here:

    http://www.theobamafile.com/_images/NordykeTwinsBirthcertificate.jpg

    They say the births were at Kapiolani.

  13. Joe The Blogger   Friday, August 27, 2010 at 7:02 PM

    Saphire Sunday,

    Well done. You really get it. This is the way to break down obfuscation. This can be done, but it takes skill, persistence and a total contempt for the perpetrators of the obfuscation.

  14. William   Friday, August 27, 2010 at 6:51 PM

    Are you all absolutely certain the Nordyke twins were born at Kapiolani? Just asking since it doesn’t make sense per the history. Queens was the big hospital where babies were born and is right down the street.

  15. William   Friday, August 27, 2010 at 6:44 PM

    http://www.kapiolanigift.org/timeline/index.html
    This says Kapiolani Medical Center for Women and Children opened in 1976. Before that Kauikeolani was only a pediatrics hospital and clinic, which then became Kapiolani.
    Something’s fishy here…

  16. William   Friday, August 27, 2010 at 6:27 PM

    This quote was off theobamafile at http://theobamafile.com/. It would be of interest to look into the history of Kapiolani Hospital.

  17. SapphireSunday   Friday, August 27, 2010 at 3:40 PM

    I bet they had a drawer full of index cards!

  18. SapphireSunday   Friday, August 27, 2010 at 3:36 PM

    Joe the Blogger! You reminded me that the city where I used to live provided printed, bound copies of vital record indexes to a nearby university and also to the county library. Perhaps the same was done in Hawaii. But the problem with that is that someone will still be dealing with a HAWAIIAN library and a HAWAIIAN university–prone to obfuscate as much as the HDoH, in all probability.

  19. SapphireSunday   Friday, August 27, 2010 at 3:20 PM

    If babies were not delivered at Kapiolani hospital in 1961, then how do you explain the birth certificates of the Nordyke twins? While I wish wholeheartedly that what you say is true, because it would be a smoking gun, one has to believe that the birth certificates shown by Mrs. Nordyke are not legitimate. I know of no one who has questioned their authenticity, although certainly Mrs. Nordyke herself has some interesting connections to Stanley Ann Dunham and others who attended the East-West Center. Unlike Obama’s COLB, the birth certificate copies shown by Mrs. Nordyke look real. They look like my birth certificate. The name of the hospital on both certificates is “Kapiolani Maternity and Gynecological Hospital”.

  20. SapphireSunday   Friday, August 27, 2010 at 2:51 PM

    How did the office of vital records ever function before the existence of a computerized index?

    Before the days of PCs on the clerks’ desks, there were still computers, but what they did was periodically (perhaps weekly) print an index (a long green-and-white ruled, accordion-folded index on computer paper) that clerks used to locate the records they needed. This is what happened before there were databases containing images of scanned birth certificates.

    Paper birth certificates would not be filed alphabetically by name. They would be filed by BC#. A person needed an alphabetic index to get the BC# in order to find the BC in the paper files, so that a copy could be made, upon request. There were probably also cross-referenced indexes based upon other “keys”, such as birth date or county.

    Before such things as computers, clerks had to type these indexes or they kept a hand-written book. Perhaps even after computers, they still kept a typed or handwritten index. Or they may have kept a card file that cross referenced the names with the BC#s, like they use to use to keep track of the location of books in a library. These index cards ought to still exist.

    I doubt that these records would have been destroyed. Their own laws require historical records to be retained. After falsely implying to news organizations that Obama’s paper records were destroyed, the HDoH backtracked and admitted that no paper documents, being historical in nature, are EVER destroyed. Not the originals, that’s for certain.

    Perhaps that particular office at the HDoH doesn’t have the hand-written index or a typed index or even an old, computer-generated index or the index cards on hand, but those things (perhaps only the latest printed computer-generated index) EXIST. They don’t want to give them to you because, you know, what they reveal would be “embarrassing.”

    It becomes obvious that they deliberately created that useless 5-year index only for purposes of obfuscation. Can anyone conceive of a purpose for such a useless document?

    They combined the years to confuse and to hide something. Perhaps he’s not IN the 1961 index. Perhaps he’s in ’60, or somewhere from ’62 through ’64, so they combined the years, so you can’t tell in which of those 5 years he was born.

    Why did they illogically combine 5 years of records? The only other explanation I can think of is to make it so expensive for you to buy the index that you give up.

    This certainly is against the public interest and shows a willingness to violate the spirit of the law, if not the letter of the law itself. I thought that someone higher up was going to speak to these people to instruct them to follow the law.

    They are playing games with you, obviously, when they pretend not to understand that you asked them WHEN that 5-year index came into existence. Not what years it contains.

    Btw, I do notice that you specifically asked them for records from the 60s and 70s. Why then did they offer you only that one index from 60 through 64? Isn’t this a clue that they created that one index just for you vexatious requesters?

  21. William   Friday, August 27, 2010 at 1:34 PM

    Why not send a researcher to 250 Punchbowl to ask if they will verify the printed out factcheck COLB as they are required to do by HRS §338-18? Just hand them the document, one from factcheck, the other from fightthesmears, and demand they verify it as their own law requires them to do?
    Anyone can do this, so if you’re going there or are there, just print this up and have your $5 cash ready for their verification.

  22. William   Friday, August 27, 2010 at 1:30 PM

    It sounds to me that they microfiched copies of the original books, or digitized their original semblances. Yes, they think they’re so “cute” to avoid the proverbial treason firing squad later–it won’t work!

  23. Joe The Blogger   Friday, August 27, 2010 at 11:50 AM

    I agree. These people love to play with words in order to deceive – remember their invention of the obfuscatory term ‘natural-born American citizen’.
    A blank manufactured register book is manufactured, as opposed to being ‘hand prepared’.
    They should be made to provide proof of when the last register was filled in by hand. Even if this was before 1961, there should still exist, printed indexes produced in 1962, for the year 1961.
    These people are despicable.

  24. jtx   Friday, August 27, 2010 at 9:34 AM

    Mrs. Rondeau:

    I’m not as certain as you are that there are no handwritten records as another poster mentions as a possibility. Let’s please keep in mind the ultra-evasion we have seen with the linguistic hop-scotch played on the “BC issue” by several in that department. The answer given in two places seems odd and a specific part of it is placed in quotes in both responses indicating, I think, some sort of evasion.
    ————-
    The department has no records responsive to your request as there are no “actual hand prepared books of that period.” All birth index data is stored electronically, therefore, birth index data is available to the public in the form of pages generated by a computer.
    ————-
    The phrase “actual hand prepared books of that period” could – for example – mean the handwritten forms exist but are not compiled into what the DOH refers to as “books”. The would mean the handwritten data exists but they choose not to make it available. I’d say more clarification is needed – such as what happened to the original handwritten records??

  25. MICHAEL   Friday, August 27, 2010 at 6:53 AM

    Come on folks, we all know that O’Buffoon is phony as a 3-dollar-bill.

    And Nazi Pelousy was a coconspirator in this fraud when she signed TWO Official Certifications of Nomination for Obama at the DNC Convention in August 2008.

  26. Pliny Merrick   Friday, August 27, 2010 at 6:15 AM

    I lived in Hawai’i back in the late 1970’s for a brief period. Despite the natural beauty found there, which was why I went in the first place, I ended up returning to the mainland much sooner then planned because I could not live with the openly displayed venom for “haole’s” (white people) exhibited by the native Hawai’ians. There is a deep resentment and dislike for caucasian Americans (and blacks, which the natives refer to as “popolo,” both “haole” and “popolo” being derogatory Hawai’ian slang for non-native similar to the “N” word) which pervades Hawai’ian society. We are hated by the Hawai’ian’s for destroying their paradise. You can expect as much assistance from them as a black man could have expected from the KKK in the deep south back in the ’50’s. This is my personal opinion, but the scars which attest to it will go with me to my grave.

  27. MinutemanCDC_SC   Friday, August 27, 2010 at 12:26 AM

    The courts will not oust the usurper.

    These men will have to end the unconstitutional usurpation of the federal government.

    Admiral Michael Mullen, USN, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff
    General James E. Cartwright, USMC, Vice Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff
    General George W. Casey, Jr., Chief of Staff of the United States Army
    Admiral Gary Roughead, Chief of Naval Operations
    General Norton A. Schwartz, Chief of Staff of the United States Air Force
    General James T. Conway, Commandant of the Marine Corps
    _______________________________________

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31604879/ns/world_news-americas/

    The Honduran army captured and exiled Honduran President Manuel Zelaya in 2009, and the Congress later ousted him.

    Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, Zelaya’s top ally, said any aggression toward Zelaya from Micheletti’s government should prompt a military intervention by the United Nations.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8125292.stm

    Mr. Obama described the removal of President Zelaya as illegal.

  28. Jonah   Thursday, August 26, 2010 at 10:41 PM

    I had a similar experience with Hawaii DOH. They lied to me too.

  29. 12thGenerationAMERICAN   Thursday, August 26, 2010 at 10:30 PM

    Make that “worked” vice “wored”

  30. 12thGenerationAMERICAN   Thursday, August 26, 2010 at 10:28 PM

    Good thought! Years ago When I wored for a government agency, we sent all records of the division I worked for to a private contractor to convert them to microfisch. We then took the originals to an offsite private storage facility. We could access them by scheduled appointment. We retained the film copies at our facility.

    Hawaii says there are no handwritten copies, but have they been asked and denied having film copies of handwritten documents?!!? Also, have they been asked and denied the existence of handwritten copies held by private entities as mentioned above? (i.e, are they saying they don’t have the originals in their possession to lead you to believe the originals don’t exist?!?!) Sounds like work for a researcher to pursue?!!?

  31. A pen   Thursday, August 26, 2010 at 9:29 PM

    Obviously without originals it is as reliable as Obama in showing proof of anything he doesn’t want to. There is only one way to deal with his eligibility and that is through the supreme court defining NBC. That is quite rediculous to need defining since there is no doubt the senate and congress know what it means and are simply playing a dirty little game, evading the question by not investigating and allowing the standing issue to thwart all other legal means of having the public armed with the law on it’s side. What we must do is hold them all accountable when a constitutional majority can be restored. AND make the charge HIGH.

  32. Born912   Thursday, August 26, 2010 at 8:34 PM

    Will they provide the computer data on a floppy/cd-rom etc? The work load is much simpler and the price lower typically. Florida will routinely do this. We get a multi-gig copy of state voter records for $10 on DVD. Ask for the data in “ascii plain text format and zipped”
    Any tech will know what to do. I estimate the data will be less than 1 k per page or 400k for a year which will likely compress to 100k per year and easily copied to a floppy or anything they have.
    —————–
    Mrs. Rondeau replies: Thank you for the suggestion. We will ask.

  33. newssleuth   Thursday, August 26, 2010 at 8:10 PM

    I wonder if you can find the Hawaii birth index on microfisch or microfilm for sale someplace?

  34. Maxine   Thursday, August 26, 2010 at 7:35 PM

    William – thank you so much for the information you provided. This clarifies so many things. If you have more information please share it with us and encourage others to do the same. Those of us who are trying to obtain and verify facts – as opposed to obfuscating them – are grateful for any facts you have to offer. Do not be discouraged by disparaging remarks – regular posters and informed readers recognize them as coming from either “plants” who are paid to obscure the facts or liberals who are trying to destroy us.

    Yes, there are a lot of “confused theories” associated with Obama’s birth but as these theories are sorted out and verified, many of them become accepted as facts. Keep digging, and you will be able to separate the wheat from the chaff. Consider your sources.

    This brings up another question I have been asking: How much money has Hawaii bilked us taxpayers out of by giving ineligible children access to every right and benefit of American citizenship? Welfare, government-paid healthcare, education including college, unemployment, Social Security – the list goes on and on. We have paid – and will continue to pay – millions of dollars because of their scam. Could that be one reason Hawaii has been so careful to keep this information secret? As this illegal practice and its costs become unveiled, will American taxpayers expect to be repaid? They should.

  35. 2discern   Thursday, August 26, 2010 at 3:23 PM

    Can you spell ‘collusion’? A cursory glance at this exchange has obfuscation written all over it. The Hawaiian health dept. is taking direct orders from the master’s of barry soetero being fraudulently placed into the oval office. It is so obvious as to the time consumption between replies and the nonsense of passing it to other department players. This is pathetic. Why can’t citizens of this Republic get answers to public questions?

    All the avenues of data gathering are coming together. The Hawaii elections clerk, the Kenyan papers, the Kenyan parliament, the SS# exposed, the Selective Service mistakes in trying to cover his never registering at all, and his mothers dateline of travel, her college, his trip to Paksitan, etc. and bingo all on a detective board (like sitting back and staring at the whole of all the info on a white board) of analysis the facts point to one thing and only one thing, barry soetero is a fraud from the start.
    Now, the interesting thing that also appears all around the factual white board of data, the many players in on the deceit. Pelosi (plastic speaker), Alex grease, oops I mean Alxelrod, Vallerie jarhead, and all the rest of the openly professed commies in positions of power over the people of this once beloved country. Enough! Treason is serious and must now be arrested and tried.

  36. William   Thursday, August 26, 2010 at 3:13 PM

    Also, this was on The Obama File indicating that Kapiolani was not a birthing hospital until the early 1970’s, so Obama could not have been born at it anyway. Queens was the only hospital for births, and all laboring mommies would have gone there in 1961.

    I have been following all the brouhaha over Obama’s birth issues for some time now, have added a few points that weren’t well taken and have been reluctant to continue as actively as others have since it’s turned into a confused bunch of theories.

    I know of only two individuals who attended Punahou at the same time young Barry did; one was older and one was younger. The senior only remembers him as the Popolo kid (one of two) and the younger one remembers him the same…..but, along with his buddy Keith Kakugawa, as the campus drug dealers. Everyone else has no recollection of him other than the highly unreliable Congressman Neil Abercrombie. Neil was a teaching assistant and later an associate professor at the University of Hawaii at the time I attended school there. He was a Viet Nam war protestor, and so far left to be sinister in the negative sense of the word.

    Consider this carefully so you’ll understand the situation in post WWII Hawaii Territory and it’s quest for statehood.

    In the post-war period, Hawaii’s population was around 500,000, many were foreign nationals brought in to work the plantations, both sugar and pineapple. They came from China, Japan, Scotland and Portugal in the first waves during the twenties and thirties, later Puerto Ricans and Filipinos during the post war period. The magic population number of “eligible” citizens for a territory have in order to petition for statehood was 600,000, so Hawaii issued official Certificates of Live Birth to children of migrant plantation workers who were reunited with the working parent when it was possible to bring them here.

    The territorial citizen population of Hawaii grew 20% in in 10 years, even though the children who were reunited were foreign born. All it took was a piece of paper to work it, and once started it continued until the early seventies. Census counts mean federal dollars.

    It was a political system to pump up the population numbers that gave others (i.e. Madelyn Dunham and her wayward daughter) the way to register the birth of a little “surprise” with some legitimacy and without probing questions…..at least from the state registrar.

    At the time Kapiolani Clinic for Women and Children was just that, a clinic. Its services were daily, its hours were normal business hours but they probably had a night time staff to receive, advise or shuttle patients off to Queen’s Hospital just a few blocks away. But it wasn’t a hospital in the 60s. Kapiolani Hospital wasn’t built until the early to mid 70s. It’s possible to deliver a child at a clinic just as it’s possible to deliver a child in the back of a taxi but both the clinician and the taxi driver would make an effort to get the mother to be to a maternity ward at a hospital.

    I have my Birth Certificate, issued by the hospital where I was born and registered in the state where I was born. I have my son’s also issued by the hospital where he was born and registered in the State of Hawaii. Both contain the same information; Date, time, attending physician (signature), mother (address, occupation, age and signature), father (address, occupation, age and signature ). I was born at a Naval Hospital in California and he was born here. The point is that it is the hospital that is the originator of the Birth Certificate and not the state registrar, something that is often missed by many.

    It really doesn’t matter if his grandmother took her ripe and ready daughter to the Kapiolani Clinic during business hours or in the middle of the night, they would have transferred her to the nearest hospital with a obstetrics/maternity facility. If he was a home birth, your guess is good as mine as to the time of birth and even the date of birth. Since no hospital admits that Obama was born at their facility, it could have been a home birth, a foreign birth (a straggler), or the name of the kid was simply “Baby” Dunham, which is a whole new ballgame.

    Enough of the long winded stuff…..chances are slim we’ll know for sure but one thing is sure …..he ain’t from here, other than on some computer generated copy able form.

    From an emailer who wishes to remain anonymous . . .”

  37. jtx   Thursday, August 26, 2010 at 3:09 PM

    How about sending a RESEARCHER to 1250 Punchbowl to inspect the General Birth Index for the year(s) in question and using a point&shoot camera or even a cell phone with camera take photos of the handwritten data?? Should be the next most helpful thing since you’ll got zero cooperation from DOH.
    —————-
    Mrs. Rondeau replies: We are told that there is no handwritten data.

  38. Ladysforest   Thursday, August 26, 2010 at 3:06 PM

    So, on their website they say:

    “To request a search for index data, provide a first and last name of the individual, and the type of event along with a self-addressed, stamped envelope. Requests must be sent in writing to:

    State Department of Health
    ————————————-
    There may be a cost for search, segregation and copying based on the request. If prepayment is required, the DOH will send a Notice to Requestor form with the amount required for prepayment. Only a money order, certified check, or cashier’s check (make money order and checks payable to the State Department of Health) will be accepted. Personal checks will not be accepted. All fees are non-refundable; if no data is found after a search is conducted, the fees are retained to cover the cost of the search. Requests for index data will be sent out within 2-3 weeks after receipt of payment. ”

    So, on their website they state they “segregate” the info to make the copy to send, why then did they kindly offer to charge you for the whole five year range?

    By the way, I was wondering when they added the following:

    “The public will be asked to provide identification and sign in to inspect the names and sex of all births, deaths and marriages that occurred in the state. Data are maintained in bound copies by type of event with names listed alphabetically by last name.”

    And do they mean to say that if you walk in, have a money order in your hand, and would like to place your order in person, that you will be denied? Do, they really? Just how stupid are those people? Better question, do they really think the rest of the world is so stupid as not to see through this pitiful mess they’ve gotten themselves into?

  39. jtx   Thursday, August 26, 2010 at 3:01 PM

    I suspect the DOH is playing the old bureaucratic stick-it-to-’em game while telling the AP reporter something else entirely. An all-too-typical gulling-of-the-public act.

    Don’t forget that HI was, is, and probably always will be the most Communist loving state in the Union (leaving out DC as not a state and since it is still in-process of its Communist makeover.

    Anyway – kudos for your tireless work.

  40. Ladysforest   Thursday, August 26, 2010 at 2:48 PM

    So, where do they detail that you have only 20 days? I’ve looked for that rule, but couldn’t find it.

  41. Birdy   Thursday, August 26, 2010 at 2:38 PM

    “In response, the Department of Health has offered to provide hundreds of sheets of index data if requesters will pay for it.” – Niesse

    ” At 25 cents per page, the 1961 birth index data would cost $98.75. So far, no one has paid for the papers.” – Niesse

    Where did Niesse get 25 cents per page? How does Niesse know how many pages there are for 1961? Niesse infers that you can purchase one page at a time. Did he just pull this out of thin air? Do the AP editors do any fact checking of their reporter’s stories?

  42. Sam Sewell   Thursday, August 26, 2010 at 1:51 PM

    Aka Presidency – America’s Most Expensive Mistake
    Little-known fact:
    Obama’s failed stimulus program cost more than the Iraq war
    http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2010/08/aka-presidency-americas-most-expensive.html

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