THE POST & EMAIL THINKS NOT
by Sharon Rondeau
(Apr. 8, 2010) — The Hawaii Department of Health continues to ignore and stonewall legitimate requests for information which under its UIPA law should be made available to a requester within ten days.
On February 26, 2010, our Editor-in-Chief, Mr. John Charlton, published an article demonstrating the Health Department’s increasing reluctance to comply with UIPA requests. Mr. Charlton had asked for copies of handwritten pages from the “Birth Index” maintained before Hawaii’s birth records were computerized and had offered to pay for the cost of obtaining them. Specifically, he was looking for anyone with the surnames Payne, Dunham, Soetoro and Obama.
Instead, the Health Department sent a PDF file of births with the parents’ names redacted. None of the names for which Mr. Charlton had asked appeared on the list, although Mr. Charlton had obtained information independently that at least one person with one of the last names had been born during the period in question.
On March 4, 2010, Mr. Charlton sent the Hawaii Health Department the following email:
From: John Charlton (editor@thepostemail.com)
Sent: Thu 3/04/10 12:12 AM
To: hdohinfo (hdohinfo@doh.hawaii.gov)
Cc: Mr Charlton
Dear Sirs or Madams of the HI DoH, UIPA response team:
I am making a UIPA request similar to, but different from all my previous requests.
In accordance with the HI UIPA law, I am writing to request redacted copies of the pages of the Birth Index, from each edition(s) of the books which contained this index, published from 1965 to the present, for those pages on which the following names of a child would appear:
Barack Hussein Obama II
Barack Obama
Barry Obama
Barry Soetoro
Steve Dunham
Stephen Dunham
Steven Dunham
Note, that by “redacted” I mean, redacted to conceal that information on the said copies which is not generally released by your department.
Note that by “Birth Index”, I mean that index which regards grants of Certificates of Live Birth, not Certificates of Hawaiian Birth.
Note that I am not interested in computer print-outs of databases or electronic versions, but the actual hand prepared books of that period (written or typed), during whatever years such books were or are still in use, whether they regard annual or 5 year periods.
I am making my request, not to be vexatious, but to have confirmation of the public statements of members of the HI DoH, as to what they might be based on. I am specifically interested to see in which edition of this birth index, the registration of any such birth(s) first appear, if they do appear at all in said records.
By “surnames”, I mean those given to the children, not those of the parents, as recorded in the said index.
I am willing to pay for a photocopy of said pages, and for the effort to retrieve them: please inform me by email of the cost and I will send you a Postal Money Order, payable to the HI DoH.
If you have any questions about the actual records I seek, please let me know.
John Charlton
Editor
The Post & Email
http://www.thepostemail.com
P.O. Box 302
Stafford Springs, CT 06076
To which the Health Department responded:
From: hdohinfo@doh.hawaii.gov
Sent: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 13:51:11 -1000
To: editor@thepostemail.com
Subject: RE: UIPA Request of March 4, 2010
Aloha Mr. Charlton:
We’re double-checking with you to make sure you mean to request records published from 1965 to the present.
Please advise.
Hawaii Department of Health
Public Information Office staff
Send mail to:
State Department of Health
Office of Health Status Monitoring
Issuance/Vital Statistics Section/UIPA Request
Honolulu, HI 97801
hdohinfo@doh.hawaii.gov
To which Mr. Charlton responded:
From: John Charlton (editor@thepostemail.com)
Sent: Thu 3/04/10 9:56 PM
To: hdohinfo (hdohinfo@doh.hawaii.gov)I mean the books your prepared for internal use from 1965 until you no longer prepared hand written or typed books, but switched to electronic data collection /processing. I cannot say if that is to the present or to any specific year, because I do not know your internal practices.
I am presuming in all of this, that on an annual or regular basis that was multi year, that you prepared a copy of the general Birth Index in alsphabetical order for internal use/reference, which comprised the names of all children born who obtained a vital record through your office.
I base my assumption on the fact that when I asked on Jan 22 in another UIPA request for info on the Certificate of HI Birth program, in the course of responding to me, you send me pdfs of computer print outs which contained all name of children who ever receifved such a certificate, during the entire history of the program 1911-1971.
I understand that the general Birth Index is a much larger program, but as I am only seeking copies of the pages on which the children with the following names would appear:
Barack Hussein Obama II
Barack Obama
Barry Obama
Barry Soetoro
Steve Dunham
Stephen DunhamAnd that is probably only going to be 3 such pages for every edition of the Birth Index, which was handwritten or typed, then there won’t bee too much work to obtain it.
However, if you never prepared such a book containing all such births let me know and I will modify my request.
John Charlton
Editor
The Post & Email
P.O. Box 302
Stafford Springs, CT 06076
The Health Department sent the following email almost two weeks later:
From: hdohinfo@doh.hawaii.gov
Sent: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 15:06:32 -1000
To: editor@thepostemail.com
Subject: Response to CharltonAloha Mr. Charlton,
The department is unable to respond to a request it does not understand. Please clarify what specific records you are requesting.
Hawaii Department of Health
Public Information Office staff
Send mail to:
State Department of Health
Office of Health Status Monitoring
Issuance/Vital Statistics Section/UIPA Request
Honolulu, HI 97801
hdohinfo@doh.hawaii.gov
No further response from the Department of Health has been received.
Since the Hawaii Department of Health has not responded to Mr. Charlton’s UIPA request of March 4, it appears that they have affirmed that there is no documentation on file to indicate that Obama was born in Hawaii in 1961. If Obama’s name appeared in the Birth Index, this information would have been released many months ago to quell the rising doubts about Obama’s birth story. Then there would be no need for the secrecy and attempts to limit the public’s access to information.
Perhaps Obama presented some type of evidence to Dr. Fukino and received a COLB. Perhaps that is why the certificate number has always been obliterated: it does not correspond to the series used in 1961 because it was issued much later. According to the Western Journalism Center, there are five different ways in which a Hawaiian birth record can be obtained, including as an adult.
According to Hawaii’s UIPA law, once Fukino made a public statement about Obama’s records, the index data, or pieces of information used to formulate the statement, should have been readily available to the public upon request. Despite its declarations of openness in government, Hawaii officials, particularly Fukino, have refused to follow their own law. Why the obfuscation if there is nothing to hide?
The Post & Email will not stop its investigation until we receive answers to these questions.
Is it possible that the Director of Health, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, granted Obama a “Certification of Live Birth” sometime in 2006 or later when he was planning to run for president? Fukino is the only person in the United States to affirm that Obama was born in Hawaii. No hospital, doctor, nurse, witness or other individual has come forward to corroborate her story.
It doesn’t just appear, it’s a FACT that the entire Hawaii Department of Health Public Information Office staff has been compromised (by the great deceiver and liar-in-thief) and is still PLAYING with John Charlton and every single American citizen over all of these years!!
Did they ever figure out what really happened to the Health Director Loretta Fuddy or is that still up in the air?? She apparently was the only one to know the truth about Barry’s birth certificate.
BOMBSHELL!!!! Obama was born in Kenya! The Kenya National Assembly on March 25, 2010 announced this stunning revelation:
http://www.bunge.go.ke/parliament/downloads/tenth_forth_sess/Hansard/RDRAFT25.03P.pdf
Page 31: “If America was living in a situation where they feared ethnicity and did not see itself as a multiparty state or nation, how could a young man born here in Kenya, who is not even a native American, become the President of America? It is because they did away with exclusion.”
You should use the official names of the indices listed at Butterdezillion’s blog to request information for Obama. And ask for the same information from whatever publication or index preceeded that named index in time. Before it was named, for example, “VDR-1 Index to Delayed Certificates of Birth”.
btw, ask for Stephan Dunham, too, with an “a”.
Have you tried FOIA requests to get copies of FBI files for his purported parents and grandparents? Also for Frank Marshall Davis and wife? All deceased. All should be available to the public.
It’s interesting that instead of simply providing you with the items you asked for, they questioned the years you asked for. A disinterested public servant would simply do his/her duty, not try to second guess the reason why you asked for those particular years.
Motivations should not matter to an UNBIASED public servant, which ALL public servants ought to be, because they work for the PEOPLE–all of the people, no matter the requester’s politics.
Questioning the substance of your request instead of simply filling it is a HUGE RED FLAG. The use to which you may put the information is, or should be, completely irrelevant to the DoH. Their job is merely to follow the law. Not to protect the subject from whatever fallout may occur as a result of the release of the information.
Imagine a DoH covering for, say, Richard Nixon, because perhaps some TRUTHFUL information in their files might damage him politically. It’s so corrupt.
Perhaps questioning Obama’s birth year is the whole answer: If Obama was born in Hawaii before it became a state, he would not be eligible because he would not have been born in the United States, but only in a territory of the U.S. (August 21, 1959)
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Travis,
Wow, Thank you for that. Does anybody have the post of the guy with the delayed bc and I gotta ask, how does Ms Tickly know he amended his birth date? I think amending one’s birth date would be extremely rare indeed.
j
Joe, that requester asked for –
Quote–A copy of the Delayed Birth Certificate of the president of the United States known as Barack Obama
and then he posted the HHD answer which said that under the law you can’t have it, when twice before they said about other requests We don’t have them. In the post he wrote –
Quote–This was only 1 of 3 request I sent on the 9th and 10th of Oct, the other two request were responded to within 1 day with the following: “The dept has no records responsive to your request” This UIPA request which took 18 days for DOH to respond to must have gone through several hands and minds and obviously a decision was made by someone to attach this form. This is very interesting. SOUNDS LIKE BHO HAS A DELAYED BC ON FILE!
Yes, that is clear admission they have it because they can’t deny you something they don’t have, and when as they said with his two other requests The dept has no record.
Miss Tickly asked for –
Quote–An electronic copy of the proof offered to establish/verify ‘Date of Birth’ as required, for an amendment to be made to President Obama’s birth certificate.
Even when it was LEGAL for Miss Tickly to get it Hawaiian Health Department told her she couldn’t have whatever it was Obama gave HHD to change his Date Of Birth or any paperwork relating. There’s no way that is a legal answer by HHD after Obama put up a COLB which means he has no privacy about his Date Of Birth. HHD could of told Miss Tickly they didn’t have paperwork dealing with Obama amending his Date Of Birth but, no, they told her You can’t see it. They are trying to hide it but everybody knows now that is admission Obama changed his Date Of Birth. The day Obama put up that COLB with no reasons on it for changing his Date Of Birth you got a fake in every sense.
If his birth was not accepted in 1961 Obama would not be given a registration number by HHD. Obama’s people got into a snafu about his COLB when it was first put up without a number and then when they had to show a number it is out of sequence with the other numbers we know about. That’s how you can be sure Obama has nothing on record from 1961 at HHD, as P&E says.
Joe, you say Amending one’s birth date would be extremely rare indeed. It’s also extremely rare to have an ILLEGAL ALIEN elected President. You better believe that is what he is, that’s why HHD is covering up for Obama. Holding back documents, telling lies, stomping on the Constitution. Next part of the CHIEF ILLEGAL ALIEN’S plan for America is legalize millions more illegal aliens. It’s real easy when you have friends in high places.
Quote, “I remember they had some complaint about not being allowed on an airplane back to USA from Africa account
her pregnant condition.”
That sounds like it could have come from Don Fredrick’s book, The Obama Timeline.”
If he changed his date of birth, I suspect it’s because he was really born in early 1961, perhaps February. If so, this might explain why Stanley Ann left college in Hawaii so early. She left in January, instead of finishing out the school year until May. And it would conform with reports that she wasn’t pregnant in July, 1961. And it would make more sense, when you remember that she was registered at college and IN Washington state only weeks after her child’s supposed birth.
Remember the woman who babysat for Obama in Washington, while Stanley Ann went to school? She wrote about it in a blog article, which was published before this even became an issue. She said that he was a baby and that her own daughter was about 18 months old, a toddler, at the time. But the timeframe for when her daughter was born made that impossible, unless he really wasn’t born in August 1961. But it’s more plausible if he were born in Feb. 1961. I would think that a babysitter would not be mistaken about the age of the children she cared for, especially when one was her own child and the other was an infant.
I am not the kind of eloquent writer many of the people whose articles appear on this website are, or even to the level of many of the commenters. I do however, constantly send e-mails to the various so-called ‘conservative” talking heads who won’t touch eligbility with a ten-foot pole.
This is an example I sent just a few minutes ago, this one to Beck:
Hi Glenn,
Please consider this. If you want to leave an America for your kids and mine that will even remotely resemble the America we know and love, the marxist/communist takeover must be stopped.
At this point there is no doubt…none, that Obama is clearly ineligible by the U.S. Constitution to be POTUS. He is ineligible in at least three different ways. The first way, not being a natural born citizen, isn’t even arguable by the Obamabots.
If we get together and do not let the Alinsky tactics intimidate us into silence, we can not only stop this runaway train to hell, we can reverse the damage already done and set the progressive movement back at least 50 years
We can write articles and try to fight each and every freedom that is being endangered on a daily basis with words, only to realize the arrogant bastards are going to shove it down our throats anyway..or, we can use the one issue, which is an absolute truth at this point, to save our nation and give our kids a fighting chance at the good life we have enjoyed in the most free and greatest country on the face of the earth.
Why do you ignore any and everything related to Obama’s ineligibility? Have you been shut down by the Alinsky tactics this administration uses so effectively? You are way too smart, in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary, to believe Obama is legally the president. More and more Americans are finally realizing that Obama is a hollow shell, a total fake, a sham of a human being. During the campaign I said, “when I look in Obama’s eyes I see pure evil”. Time has proven how right I was.
Thank you,
BOB
The Fox news website has also started to censor eligibility comments. they don’t seem to mind much what is said about the usurper, as long as it doesn’t reference his ineligibility.
To me this means the issue is turning up the heat on those who are involved and they are putting the pressure on to try to shut down any mention of the issue.
This is my reconciliation of the data available thus far to account for the two newspaper ads. The ads were placed by the Health Dept automatically upon registration of a birth. I believe that Obama’s grandmother filed a mail in form which was allowed then to falsely register Obama as born in Hawaii. That generated a false vital record and the two newspaper ads. Hawaii is hiding that the registration was a simple mail in form with the statement of alleged birth in Hawaii being attested to by one family member and not witnesses or medical attendants. Not independent corroborating evidence. That is why it was filed and not ultimately accepted. The filing gets Obama a COLB but not a genuine Birth Certificate as exemplified by the twins born near the same time. I believe Obama’s grandmother committed Birth Registration fraud in 1961 simply to get her newborn grandson, born elsewhere, U.S. citizenship … because she could with the lax laws in Hawaii at that time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmZpwcRf3FQ
CDR Kerchner
CDR Kerchner, with respect there was no official connection between what Obama’s family filed in August 1961 (if anything) and the newspaper ads. Making lists of births available to the newspapers only began in 1976 after the new Hawaiian Health Department Regulations for Vital Records came in.
In 1961 Hawaii newspaper ads about Obama would have been placed by his family and nobody else. This explains better why the ads could appear even though Grandma Madelyn’s form was NOT officially accepted by the Hawaii Registrar as valid and Obama does NOT have a 1961 Hawaii long form registration.
Butterdezillion and friends have done a lot of research and she is going to write more about this. Right now Butterdezillion thinks the ads were faked.
Hi Travis-could you point out to me where Butterdezillion says she “thinks the ads were faked”? Thank you.
Travis, can you point us to how you know that lists of births started being sent to hospitals in 1976? I don’t doubt your word; this is just the first time that I’ve seen that information and would like to verify it. Thanks.
G.Marie, Butterdezillion says she thinks the ads were faked this way –
Quote–The Advertiser’s archives were open to the public at least as late as 2004. When Michael Rivero asked the Advertiser for the birth announcement they didn’t send him to the Hawaii State Library; they sent him the announcements for both the Advertiser and Star-Bulletin (they have all the archives for both papers). My guess is that they forged the announcement they wanted to get out, gave a copy to Rivero and then gave a copy to the Hawaii State Library. Then when Starfelt contacted them they told her that their archives aren’t open to the public and sent her to the Hawaii State Library, from which she was given the forged copy that the Advertiser had sent her. IOW there is one source for both the Advertiser and Star-Bulletin images that are on the web: the Advertiser office – who alone has the master microfilm copies that are pristine and could be forged. And which also most probably has a microfilm camera with which they could make microfilm “patches” to splice into other microfilm reels – or could actually make a brand new reel and simply replace it for what was in the libraries.
That was at
http://209.157.64.201/focus/f-bloggers/2040486/posts?page=8963#8963
SapphireSunday, Hospitals? Butterdezillion wrote in her blog March 13, 2010 –
Quote–As of 1976 the DOH was authorized to disclose index information to the NEWSPAPERS (including, with the parents’ permission, parents’ address). The DOH was to compile a daily index list of births (index data which until recently also was REQUIRED to include the date of birth and the certificate number) and have the list available for public viewing at the DOH office and/or send a copy of the list to the NEWSPAPERS. That began in 1976 with daily lists that were sent to the NEWSPAPERS. The retention schedule for those lists has changed a couple times but the first time any of those lists is mentioned or transferred to the comptroller for disposal was in 1981. Those lists were not authorized and did not exist prior to 1976.
That was at
http://butterdezillion.wordpress.com/2010/03/11/joesting-wont-correct-terri-k/
From the 1976 HHD Public Health Regulations for Vital Records Chapter 8b Section 2.2 –
Quote–List of Events The Director shall make available for public information current lists of vital statistics events—blah blah blah—by providing the same to the local NEWSPAPERS on request.
So HHD did not have authorization before the 1976 regulations for this and didn’t do it. Now unless you find some authorization from before August 1961 saying different you got to accept there was no HHD list with Obama’s registration sent over to the NEWSPAPERS to make up the ads. IF Obama’s ad is genuine it was put there by his family.
You CAN’T use the ad to say that Obama was on some HHD list. But Obama’s people know there’s nobody around from the NEWSPAPERS in 1961 to call them on it.
I just checked AT for the riccy44 comment at 12:32 a.m. It’s not there. I’ve been following that thread since the article was posted and suspected many comments were scrubbed. This is proof as far as I’m concerned. Guard it well.
elspeth, I checked the AT post comments and you’re right, it’s gone. It could have been scrubbed or perhaps they didn’t like their potential news story lead being shared publicly (and even distributed by at least auntie), and so took it down. Whatever the case, please P&E, make a copy of riccy44’s comment. I won’t be offended if you delete the post as wel as these posts refering to it. Please keep it in a safe place.
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Mrs. Rondeau replies: Could you direct me to the comment you are referencing…I have moderated so many today that I don’t remember who made it or its significance. Thank you.
AuntieMadder says:
Friday, April 9, 2010 at 4:58 AM
This is at American Thinker’s April 7 article titled President Obama Needs to Prove His Constitutional Eligibility to Be Commander-in-Chief on page 6 of the comments section.
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Posted by: riccy44 Apr 09, 12:32 AM
Hello LTC sir, I hope you read this,
I support you for your stand on Obamas birth.
I will tell you and the posters here what I know.
I knew Obamas grandfather and his mother and father in Hawaii.
The story is much longer then will post here, I know about births in Hawaii during this time.
At this time the only way births were posted in the news was by family posting it.
The mother father, nurse ,doctor and 2 other witnesses signed the birth papers within the first 30 minutes of the birth.
I met Obamas mother and father in 1961 right after they came back from Africa with their baby
who was born in Africa.
I remember they had some complaint about not being allowed on an airplane back to USA from Africa account
her pregnant condition. I heard this both from Obamas grandfather and his mother and father.
I also remember they had some trouble with the baby having no papers , passport to come back to the USA from
Africa.
Obamas mother father and grandfather had much anger against the USA government and were very socialist,
markzist in their beliefs.
I also know in Hawaii during this time in 1961 almost all government things could be changed, just by who you knew
and who they knew. Every thing worked on the comshaw , TRADE, or money.
Maybe the birth papers were also fixed in this way. Obamas grandfather was a player also was known to be gay.
http://comments.americanthinker.com/read/42323/574256/page-6.html
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Mrs. Rondeau replies: Thank you for posting this again. I used the link and could not find the comment. I have been told that The American Thinker normally boycotts the eligibility issue, so I am curious as to why they accepted Lt. Col. Lakin’s letter with comments. However, if they scrubbed the above comment, it is certainly indicative of how they really feel about the issue. That is censorship, plain and simple, of the worst constitutional crisis this nation has faced since the Civil War, and does AT’s readers a great disservice.
Obama is an imposter. The socialist democrat frauds that inhabit the MSM, academia and government are the enablers and have his back. Look at his appointee’s, all commies and radical america haters, just like him. To defeat these frauds and retake america we must boot the socialist democrats commie rear ends all the way to cuba in the next elections,
Good Grief —
It seems the state of HI can do nothing but cavil, backtrack, obfuscate, and just plain LIE to cover their tracks. Is that entire state STILL Communist as it was in the immediate pre- and post- WWII days??
So it seems since they don’t wish to see “Barry” outed. Can state officials be tried for treason also once the truth becomes known???
Good work TP&E and TP&E commenters…
Thank you!
Doesn’t matter where he was born for the purposes of U.S. Presidential Elg-
He claims a NON-immigrant foreigner father. He , therefore, possesses a cultured/cultivated form of citizenship(reliance upon positive/man-made law to, in effect, “de-alienage”) hence not natural born.
So easy when one divests themselves of bias & prejudice
Founders/Framers intent was/is clear and immutable without the proposal of an Amendment
It makes no sense that they would fail to comply with a simple request that would not contradict information already in the public domain.
HI is a corrupt government bought and paid for by the Obama admin. Shameful.
They should be boycotted!!! No more tourist dollars from mainland conservatives.
They should be rotting in jail for treason, actually.
Shouldn’t the title be, “Does Hawaii have any records on ‘Obama’ before, during, or after 2006?”
For lack of records, the AG can’t validate DoH’s assertion. For lack of records, the DoH can’t, or won’t, validate the campaign’s electronic version.
What was the purpose for CC’ing the Lt. Gov and the Ombudsman, if not to demand responses from their offices since March 23rd? Why wasn’t the AG also CC’d on that communication?
This is at American Thinker’s April 7 article titled President Obama Needs to Prove His Constitutional Eligibility to Be Commander-in-Chief on page 6 of the comments section.
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Posted by: riccy44 Apr 09, 12:32 AM
Hello LTC sir, I hope you read this,
I support you for your stand on Obamas birth.
I will tell you and the posters here what I know.
I knew Obamas grandfather and his mother and father in Hawaii.
The story is much longer then will post here, I know about births in Hawaii during this time.
At this time the only way births were posted in the news was by family posting it.
The mother father, nurse ,doctor and 2 other witnesses signed the birth papers within the first 30 minutes of the birth.
I met Obamas mother and father in 1961 right after they came back from Africa with their baby
who was born in Africa.
I remember they had some complaint about not being allowed on an airplane back to USA from Africa account
her pregnant condition. I heard this both from Obamas grandfather and his mother and father.
I also remember they had some trouble with the baby having no papers , passport to come back to the USA from
Africa.
Obamas mother father and grandfather had much anger against the USA government and were very socialist,
markzist in their beliefs.
I also know in Hawaii during this time in 1961 almost all government things could be changed, just by who you knew
and who they knew. Every thing worked on the comshaw , TRADE, or money.
Maybe the birth papers were also fixed in this way. Obamas grandfather was a player also was known to be gay.
http://comments.americanthinker.com/read/42323/574256/page-6.html
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I Binged riccy44 and discovered this at Breitbart.com.
riccy44 February 28th, 2010 – 3:53 pm
Dr. Drew, I also tried to tell about OBamas grandfather his mother and father in Hawaii and got no where 4 years ago. Fox, and many talk show hosts.
Obamas family were all marxist. had words with grandfather his mother and father. They got very angery when you did not see things their way.
I was at rallies they had, some at U of Hawaii 1961- 1962 – 1963. The first was shortly after they had come back from Africa with new baby. I know the truth, No one will listen, I am not a kook , for those who want the truth here it is.
I could care less where he was born. some do, his mother was a U S citizen.
In Hawaii during this time the family put in the paper of any births. The hospitals did not. This can explain how got into news papers at this time.
I knew of some who came from mainland and other countries who got record of live birth in Hawaii when had none when they came to the islands. Parents went to human services swore child was theirs and documents were given ,
a certificate of live birth from State of Hawaii. This was most for welfare and public money for support or military dependants.
To get birth certificates need the doctor and hospital and seems was 3 others to be witness account Hawaiian race issues. Father and mother both had to sign this document shortly, within the first hour after the birth.
Good luck JOHN DREW on the fight for truth. Watch your back as these
people are ruthless.
John C. Drew, Ph.D. March 2nd, 2010 – 10:35 pm
– riccy44
I’m eager to speak with you on the phone. I think you might be the missing link who can help explain the intensity of young Barack Obama’s commitment to Marxism.
You can track me down through my Speaker Match website at
http://www.speakermatch.com/profile/drdrew
Maybe if we work together we can get this story on Hannity or Glenn Beck.
Regards, John
http://www.breitbart.tv/the-b-cast-interview-was-obama-a-committed-marxist-in-college/
I don’t know the journalists’ rules or ethics for “getting the scoop” or snagging a story, so maybe it’s not okay to go for it. If it’s not a foul play, so to speak, it seems it could be a good story for The Post & Email, and maybe a good lead toward the truth.
“Maybe if we work together we can get this story on Hannity or Glenn Beck.”
Good luck on getting the story on Beck or Hannity, I think they are both under orders not to mention the eligibility issue unless it is to mock or ridicule those who seek the truth.
Those aren’t my words, Bob. Those were in the response from John C. Drew, Ph.D. to riccy44 over at Breitbart. I only “spoke” the first and last paragraphs of the post. (I probably should have emailed it instead of posting. Hindsight’s always 20/20, ya know.)
Has John Carlton thought about taking a trip to Hawaii or sending some people to Hawaii to poke around and ask questions? Email is always easy to ignore but it is difficult to ignore face to face encounter or request for information.
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Mrs. Rondeau replies: I believe he has left no stone unturned, so to speak.
I just returned from a trip to HI. I went to the state offices to find out what I could do “face to face”. Those folks are dead set on being a separate country and are as corrupt as the day is long. While travelling around two different islands, I saw three U.S. flags on government buildings and many,many state flags everywhere else. There were NO U. S. flags visible other than those three. While attempting to make a FOIA request, I was treated with scorn and ridicule and insulted for coming to the islands trying to “take down” the president. One clerk even suggested I should leave Hawaii to Hawaiians. I asked questions daily during the trip of “natives” I happened upon and found 99% of them to be ignorant of the situation in general and ignorant of their own government and it’s involvement. That group of people is as close to being totally oblivious to their surroundings as any I have ever encountered. I have no sympathy for them and have no qualms about never setting foot in the state again.
Well, let Japan take them over.
Hi John,
Why did you request records after 1965? Mr Obama was born in 1961.
OK, I am a little lost. I remember seeing a BI on Leo Donofrio’s website that showed him listed or something. I tried to look at it again and he took everything down. I remember Ms Tickly was involved. Does anybody remember what Leo had on his site?
I am not sure how the above article has concluded he was not born in HI. Can someone walk us through the explanation of all of this?
thanks so much
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Mrs. Rondeau replies: Because it appears that he doesn’t have a long-form birth certificate from Hawaii. If he applied as an adult, all he would get is the short-form BC because there is no corroborating person who witnessed the birth, and the application was most likely many years following the birth. He still could have been born there, but then where is the long-form BC if he was?
Joe, you’re right, Donofrio wrote he got a UIPA answer from the Hawaiian Health Department on November 5, 2009 and it said there WAS something (nobody knows what) in the system for Obama BEFORE August 10, 1961. One guy got back to Donofrio same day with his own UIPA answer saying HHD would not let him see Obama’s DELAYED certificate.
So anything in the HHD system AFTER August 10, 1961 would be completing or amending what HHD got first before 8-10-1961 IF we can believe Donofrio. HHD always deny access to whatever they got AFTER 8-10-61, so we do know they got something in there. Reasons for a delay or amendments have got to appear on a COLB. But there is none of that on the picture of a COLB Obama put up.
I remember I asked at Post&Email before How was it that the newspapers announced Obama’s birth for August 4 if Miss Tickly found out that Obama or whoever AMENDED his Date Of Birth? The announcements from 1961 say Obama was born on August 4 and so does the COLB. Was Miss Tickly wrong or the announcement’s wrong? I KNOW now. Butterdezillion is a friend of Miss Tickly and says she can prove those announcements were never sent over from HHD. Guess what? HHD didn’t do that in 1961! That leaves only the families responsible for getting them placed. Those announcements never had to tie in with anything official at HHD in August 1961. IF they are even real (another story).
So that guy’s UIPA answer says We’ve got it but no way can you see Obama’s DELAYED certificate. And Miss Tickly’s UIPA answer says We’ve got it but no way can you see how Obama’s Date of Birth was AMENDED. But there’s nothing like that on the COLB and there’s got to be. Now Obama or HHD have been caught faking a document. Instead of trying to clear up all the suspicions HHD play dumb but act crafty – helping Obama by lobbying for changes to the UIPA law to stop Americans exposing the fake.
Faking a document and cover up are serious crimes. Why would they need to do that? Means just one thing, don’t it?
Wasn’t there a story about a doctor, now dead, who had stated that he remembered Obama being born? I thought there was a woman who had supposedly confirmed this, only to backtrack a bit.
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Mrs. Rondeau replies: Yes, there was a woman in the Buffalo, NY area who said she remembered the doctor who supposedly delivered Obama in Hawaii. I think the story was that she had worked as a nurse there at one time. However, when she was approached about an interview, she backtracked on what she had said and was never heard from again!
It was revealed that the stated doctor had been retired a few years before Obama was born. It of course was a total lie by the Obot plant.
She claimed she was told about the birth by the doctor at a dinner/restaurant, and for some reason was inspired to write Obama’s full name down on a napkin. As people do of course. She backtracked on her story after people discovered the doctor, Rodney West, retired from practice in 1956.
I think the doctor had recently died when she came out of the blue with this tale.
And,… the doctor had retired years before Obama was born, It was an Obot effort to put the issue to rest, put it failed miserably, and rightfully so. Before the woman backed out of this completely she said he, at the most, may have asked her if “she had heard Stanley Ann had a baby” and never said he delivered or witnessed the delivery of her baby.
I had originally thought that Obama may have gotten a Hawaii COLB when Stanley Ann returned from Kenya only a few days after his birth there. The registration of the COLB would have automatically generated the two newspaper announcements, which do not mention Barry’s name.
But, it could be that the entire born in Hawaii history didn’t start until about 2007 when the presidential run was a sure thing. This would mean that the two birth announcements were requested by Stanley Ann or her parents upon Stanleys return from Kenya.
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Mrs. Rondeau replies: Exactly. The grandmother very well could have put the birth announcement in the two newspapers. They do not state the name of the child, and we don’t even know if the “son” referred to in the announcements is Obama. I think it is likely that Obama was adopted by someone or doesn’t really know where he was born. If he brought some kind of evidence to the DOH, they might have issued him a COLB under that “fifth” way of obtaining one. It appears that Dr. Fukino is the only person who seems to have any knowledge of it, so perhaps she issued it in secrecy. There certainly don’t seem to be any birth records on Obama in Hawaii from 1961.
http://www.earthfrisk.com/blog/?p=135
Hospitals in Hawaii to Obama: You Were Not Born Here!
Really am hearing more from Obots that they know he was born in Kenya but they don’t care, they got away with it, and it’s too late for us to do anything about it because they have the system boxed in.
What now?
I think Obama knows exactly where he was born, and it ain’t Hawaii.
Sharon, I heard Kerchner said the two newspapers were owned by the same company. Placing an announcment in one automatically resulted in the placement in the other.
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Mrs. Rondeau replies: That’s entirely possible.
It.Did.Not. automatically result in the placement in the other. It may have been possible, but in that time frame, it did not automatically occur.