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A SCIENTIFIC LEGAL THEORY

by Jedi Pauly

With a British citizen for a father, does Obama qualify under Article II of the Constitution?

(Nov. 4, 2010) — I wish to undertake a critical analysis of the incomplete works of attorneys Orly Taitz and Phil Berg, concerning the meaning and definition of “natural born Citizen” within the political context and intent of Article II. It is my contention that many of the attorneys working on exposing the illegal usurper known as Barack Obama have not described any valid theory of law that properly explains why Obama cannot possibly qualify to be President under Article II. I will show what I believe are their mistakes and limitations and expose their incomplete efforts as failed hypotheses rather than valid correct legal theories.  I will then state the correct and complete legal theory that I believe clearly defines “natural born Citizen” within the context and intent of Article II and show how and why Obama cannot possibly qualify for the office of President.

First, let us examine the work of attorney Orly Taitz. To the best of my knowledge, she has never stated a correct legal theory that explains why Obama cannot qualify under Article II, but rather she just asserts facts and draws wrong conclusions based upon failed legal hypotheses. Her argument goes something like this: She claims or believes that the term “natural born Citizen” from Article II is an undefined legal term of which the courts must determine the meaning, because somehow the definition of “natural born citizen’” has changed over time by precedents from U.S. Supreme court decisions, and therefore there is some conflict or confusion that has led to the “natural born Citizen” in Article II losing or changing its meaning and interpretation over time. Nothing could be farther from the truth. What she fails to realize is that none of the U.S. Supreme Court cases have done anything at all to change the meaning and interpretation of Article II. They could not even if they wanted to, because it requires a Constitutional Amendment to change Article II, not a judge’s opinion or a statute from Congress.

Another misconception on her part is that U.S. case law from the Supreme Court has changed the definition of “natural born Citizen” at all. All the Supreme Court cases have done is just reiterated what the definition(s) of natural born citizen(s) has been for thousands of years that existed in other legal jurisdictions long before the adoption of the U.S. Constitution. The only relevancy of the U.S. Supreme Court cases is that their decisions form part of the relevant case law for the U.S. legal system because the pre-existing definitions of “natural born citizen” were created in legal jurisdictions outside of the U.S. jurisdiction which had existed long before the formation of the U.S. government. Finally, it is totally bizarre to conceive that the Framers of Article II would be able to write into the Constitution the qualifications for the highest political office in the land with undefined legal terms that they themselves could not have known and which were subject to the whims of judicial interpretations, subject to change by stare decisis, or by the whims of Congress with a simple statute. What an incredibly impossible task it would have been to write Article II under those circumstances. It would be funny if it were not so sad.

Here are the facts encountered by Orly Taitz. She looked back in time to the encyclopedia of law known as The Law of Nations written by Emerich de Vattel. Mr. Vattel reports that one definition of “natural born citizen” means “are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens” (interpreted by Taitz to mean plural or both parents).

The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children; and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent. We shall soon see whether, on their coming to the years of discretion, they may renounce their right, and what they owe to the society in which they were born. I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country. (Vattel, The Law of Nations, Book 1, Chapter 19, section 212)

She then moves the clock forward a bit, after the adoption of the U.S. Constitution, and she encounters a statement by Judge John Bingham who said that “children who are born in the country, of parents who do not owe any political allegiance to other countries, are in the language of the Constitution itself, natural born citizens.” Mrs. Taitz then asserts from these facts that that is what Article II means and why it requires BOTH parents to be citizens and also that one must be born on U.S. soil in order to qualify for the office of President. This is her legal hypothesis which is easy to debunk.

Forget about the fact that Orly has just disenfranchised any and all children born of military parents on foreign shores, contrary to U.S. case law, and forget about the fact that there have been many examples of presidents, after the Sunset Clause expired, who did not have U.S. citizen mothers but the validity of their presidencies were never in question.  Let’s just look at the one giant glaring mistake that crashes her hypothesis. The definition she uses says ALL children born of citizen parents are natural born citizens, which includes males and females, but Article II is only talking about free-born MALES because females had no political rights recognized for almost 150 years after the adoption of the Constitution (Minor v. Happersett), and it took the 19th Amendment to recognize the natural inherited political rights of women. Isn’t it bizarre to think that, prior to the 19th Amendment, a female could be president, which is a political right, but females could not even vote and the Minor court case could find no political voting rights for women within the Constitution?

Obviously the “natural born Citizen” term in Article II does not mean ALL children born of citizen parents since females were originally excluded from the sovereign body politic even though they are natural born citizens, the same as males. So much for her hypothesis. Her hypothesis has just gone down in flames, because we have shown that not all “natural born citizens” are created to have the same political rights recognized under the law. Obviously, Article II “natural born Citizen” cannot mean what she contends because it never was originally intended to include females.

If I were to give a letter grade to Orly Taitz it would have to be an F+ for failing to state a valid legal theory that explains why Obama cannot qualify under Article II, and for failing to apply any legal principles or other observations of history and Nature to validate her hypothesis. Why the ” + ” ? She gets a plus for her efforts and having her heart in the right place. Orly Taitz has worked very hard to bring the issue to people’s attention, even though she has not been explaining the issue correctly. She has had to put up with a lot of grief for her efforts.

Let’s move on to Philip Berg who scores much better.

Attorney Philip Berg uses a different approach than Orly Taitz.

Berg uses the approach of a prosecutor who is trying to prove criminal intent by removing all of the possibilities, and what is left must be the truth. This is a valid approach to proving Obama is not qualified and that Obama is a criminal fraud. Berg achieves this goal in my estimation. However, his approach does not include the declaration of any valid theory of law which shows what the meaning and definition of Article II is. It is not surprising that Berg would use this approach because it is my understanding that he was a former Assistant Attorney General, which is one of the branches of government that is responsible for prosecuting violations of the laws of a State. He is therefore trained to think like a prosecutor, probably also influenced by years of experience in the role of a prosecutor in his law practice and other years of similar experience.

Berg’s reasoning seems to go something like this: He believes that under the laws of the U.S., there are basically three ways to be considered a “natural born citizen.” You can be a ‘”natural born citizen” by just the soil jurisdiction, even if both parents are foreign citizens (anchor babies, for example), or you can be a “natural born citizen” by just your mom being a U.S. citizen, even if you have a foreign dad, as long as your mom is old enough and meets other statutory conditions, or you can be a “natural born citizen” as long as your dad is a U.S. citizen when you are born. He then proceeds to show that each element is not possible for Obama to achieve.

Berg first eliminates the soil jurisdiction as a pathway by asserting that Barack was actually born in Kenya and not Hawaii, which is a very convincing argument based on the evidence that he can show and the circumstantial evidence of Obama’s behavior surrounding this issue. He then eliminates Barack’s mother as a pathway to natural born citizen status by showing that she cannot meet the statutory requirements to pass on natural born citizenship status to her son. However, this is a rather weak technicality of the law that would not be sufficient enough to convince one that Obama should be considered not to be qualified under Article II. Finally, Berg then eliminates Barack’s dad because obviously he was never a U.S. citizen, so the father cannot be a pathway to “natural born” citizen status. With all three avenues eliminated, the only conclusion one can make is that Obama cannot possibly be a “natural born” citizen of the U.S. and is therefore unqualified by Article II requirements.

I must admit that Berg can probably convince any jury that this is the case and can be said to have achieved the goal of proving that Obama is not a valid President, but that is not the same thing as putting forth a theory of law that shows what Article II “natural born Citizen” means, or how it is properly defined within the political context and intent of Article II. Berg almost gets there because he goes a bit farther and makes a point that Barack’s citizenship status is controlled by Kenya and Britain, not by the laws of the U.S., which seems to imply that there is no political allegiance to the U.S. at birth, although I am not quite sure that he states it quite that way and I have not seen him relate the full ramifications and implications of this into a coherent theory of law that explains Article II.

I have never heard Phil Berg speak to what would happen if Obama was indeed born in Hawaii and his mom was indeed old enough. Then what? He does not seem to go that extra mile and explain that Article II does not prohibit dual citizenship under all circumstances; it only prohibits dual political allegiances that are inherited and requires that your inherited political allegiance belong to the U.S. and not some other jurisdiction or country. He does not explain that Barack actually is potentially born with the legal privilege of three possible citizenships, one from Kenya and one from the British commonwealth or Britain, and one from the U.S., but Barack only potentially inherits either one or two political allegiances depending on the recognition of the monarchy form of government in England. Barack would inherit a political allegiance to Kenya from his dad and he might inherit a political allegiance to England via the soil jurisdiction since the form of government in England is that of a monarchy and monarchies create automatic political allegiances at birth just by being born on the king’s soil jurisdiction. In either case, whether Barack had one or two inherited political allegiances at birth, neither one would be an inherited political allegiance to the U.S. I will give Phil Berg a B or B+.

This is where I now add my contribution to this issue by describing the correct theory of law that shows the true meaning and interpretation of Article II which will show that even if Obama was born on U.S. soil to a fully-aged legal U.S. citizen mother, he still would not qualify because the soil jurisdiction and the mother’s citizenship are irrelevant for Article II purposes. I will now describe the theory.

Theory

Article II “natural born Citizen” is fully defined by the Natural Law jurisdiction and natural circumstances, and does not mean just any person who is a “natural born” citizen by statutory privilege or definition. Rather, it requires conditions of your birth that create a specific “natural born” citizen at birth, one who inherits his political right to be President as a Natural Right and not to one who obtains his political rights as a legal privilege from the Positive Law jurisdiction. The natural political right to be President is an unalienable natural right recognized under the U.S. Constitution and Declaration of Independence which is obtained by inheritance only from a citizen father, because that is where both males and females get their natural political rights from. The natural political rights of both males and females are only recognized and realized as “legal rights,” which are privileges and are created in the Positive Law jurisdiction by males, not females. This logical order is a natural objective, self-evident truth and consequence of Nature that is caused by the fact of a male’s natural superiority in physical strength and aggression. This is why the Declaration of Independence says that it is a “self-evident truth that all MEN are created equal and that they are endowed with political rights (Liberty) that come from the Laws of Nature (endowed by their Creator means as a function of the Natural Law jurisdiction and Nature’s Laws) and that governments are instituted among MEN deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,” meaning the male voting members of society. The Declaration of Independence is not talking about the political rights of females and the Constitution did not originally recognize women to be part of the sovereign body politic (Minor v. Happersett) until the 19th Amendment almost 150 years after the Constitution was adopted.

Asserted Facts and Assumptions and Definitions

There exists a Natural Law jurisdiction from which we derive our Natural Rights which are an endowment from Nature, and Natural Rights are unalienable.

There exists a Positive Law jurisdiction from which we derive our Legal Rights, and legal rights are privileges. Positive Law means man-made statutory law from the Latin root “posit” which means that which is declared and agreed to. It is sometimes referred to as “decreed law” under a monarchy political system.

Natural Law is defined to be opposite or opposed to the Positive Law.

Political Rights are Natural Rights which are Inherited from our Fathers (Declaration of Independence).

The legal context of Article II is a Political context because the Office of President is the highest Political Office in the land.

The Declaration of Independence and the War of 1776 secured the sovereign political authority of the former citizen “subjects” of the King of England who were not born having their natural sovereign political authority or natural sovereign political rights to be recognized by the King.

With the successful conclusion of the War of 1776, the colonies, and later the U.S., no longer recognized the automatic inherited political allegiances from soil jurisdictions which had been the case in the colonies under the monarchy form of government of England. U.S. law does not recognize there to be political allegiances owed due to being born on soil jurisdictions.

The U.S. Constitution establishes a Sovereign Republic of Sovereign citizens.

A Sovereign authority is the author and source of the law.

A Sovereign citizen takes his jurisdiction with him wherever he goes.

Natural Rights are Inherited from other human beings and are not obtained from soil jurisdictions which are just artificially created legal fictions.

Article II is meant to protect the sovereignty of the citizens and nation by ensuring political allegiance to a Sovereign Republic form of government by preventing a monarchy, because the original intent was that Article II should bar Titles of Nobility from attaining the office of President, which would create a Monarchy and not a Sovereign Republic.

Hypotheses

1) Article II “natural born Citizen” describes a member of the Sovereign Body Politic from among the natural born citizens of the country, which did not originally include females even though they were also natural born citizens.

One need only examine Article II, Section 1, clause 5 of the U.S. Constitution. “No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, ….”  Notice that “natural born Citizen,” “Citizen” and “United States” are all referring to sovereign political entities that have their sovereign status recognized by the positive law jurisdiction. “United States” is a sovereign political entity formed from the States of the Union which are Sovereign States. The “Citizen of the United States” is referring to the sovereign male citizens from the Sovereign States that were not born having their sovereign political status recognized by the King at birth because they were former colonies of the Monarchy. It cannot be claimed that “Citizen” is referring to just any citizen, because the female citizens of the States did not have their sovereign political status recognized by the positive law jurisdiction because none of the States recognized females to have any political voting rights. That is the purpose for capitalizing “Citizen” to indicate a certain specific citizen or political condition. The reference is to former males who were born as citizen “‘subjects” of the king due to the soil jurisdiction of the king which caused those male citizens to owe a political allegiance to the King at birth.

An exception had to be made to accommodate these male citizens since they were not born without inherited foreign political allegiances. This part of Article II is called the Sunset Clause and indicates that “natural born Citizen” is referring to the future naturally created members of society, after the adoption of the Constitution, who are born with an inherited sovereign political authority recognized in the positive law jurisdiction who will not owe a political allegiance at birth due to soil jurisdiction, but will have to inherit their sovereign political status, which implies males who are created by citizen fathers, since both males and females inherit their political condition from their citizen fathers. The capitalization and the logic of the sentence construction indicates specific citizens, i.e., males, and specific political conditions that occur naturally at birth.

2) There are many different natural conditions or circumstances that can create a natural born citizen status, but only the correct natural conditions can create a natural born citizen that will prevent titles of nobility from attaining the Office of President. The place of your birth and the citizenship status of your mother are irrelevant for Article II purposes.

Under the laws of the United States, there are several permutations or pathways to claim a natural born Citizen status. You can be considered a “natural born Citizen” if you are just born on the soil jurisdiction of the U.S. even if you have two parents that are not U.S. citizens. We call those citizens created solely from the soil jurisdiction “natural born citizens” because during the days of the English Common Law when there was a Monarchy form of political system controlling the Colonies, any person born on the King’s soil jurisdiction was naturally born subject to the King’s jurisdiction (citizen”‘subject” of king George), and those persons were born inheriting a duty to owe a political allegiance to the King that the King demanded of them because he controlled the soil jurisdiction that the King claimed dominion over, and also over all subjects within the soil jurisdiction. Strictly speaking, however, those citizens are not “natural born” by the Laws of Nature to inherit a political allegiance from their fathers due to natural laws, but rather just due to circumstances because the King’s jurisdiction is a Positive Law jurisdiction of legal privileges, not a Natural Law jurisdiction, and the King is not the source of natural inherited rights. The King dictates to those born on his soil what political rights they may have, and they do not include the right to claim an inheritance of a sovereign political authority from one’s father because then an individual would be in direct conflict with the King. The King was the only person with the privilege to claim a sovereign political authority under a monarchy form of government. That was the entire issue with the Declaration of Independence and the War of 1776, when our colonial forefathers declared that political rights do not come from the King or his soil jurisdiction, but are actually endowed to males from the Laws of Nature and come to both males and females from our fathers, not from the soil, nor from a king, nor the king’s parliament in England.

We fought and won the war of 1776 and secured to ourselves the recognition of our own natural sovereign political authority inherited from the natural law jurisdiction from our fathers. Since that time, we have abandoned the notion that soil jurisdictions cause one to owe a political allegiance to the state, and a person now owes political allegiance directly inherited through his father. That was the entire point of the Revolution. People need to wake up and read the memo that we are no longer a monarchy and U.S. law does not recognize the soil jurisdiction as a determination for political allegiances. This is why it makes no difference where you are born for Article II purposes because it is not possible to owe any political allegiance to a foreign state or to the U.S. just by being born on its soil jurisdiction. That ended 250 years ago! The government is not our king! It serves us, not the other way around! If we still recognized the soil jurisdiction to cause one to automatically owe a political allegiance to the U.S. just by being born on U.S. soil jurisdiction, then there would be no way to prevent a foreign king from attaining the office of President because any foreign king could just come to America with his wife, give birth on U.S. soil, and then that child would inherit a political allegiance to his foreign father. He would be a royal prince with a title of nobility who could then also claim an owed political allegiance to the U.S. due to the soil, and then we could have a monarchy again because a title of nobility could then qualify under Article II and become President.

What is confusing people is that they fail to realize that there is a huge difference between owing a political allegiance at birth due to inheritance and natural laws, and just being entitled to the privilege of citizenship which is just a legal right of the soil and not a natural right due to parents. Just because you are born with the privilege of citizenship from multiple jurisdictions does not mean that you are born with multiple owed allegiances. There is no allegiance owed at birth for privileges that you do not accept. For example, my father was in the Air Force and he was a U.S. citizen when I was born in Japan. I did not inherit a political allegiance to Japan at birth but I was entitled at age 18 to receive the privilege of Japanese citizenship, which I declined. I can still qualify for the Office of President because I inherited my political allegiance to the U.S. at birth directly from my citizen father. The Japanese soil cannot prevent the Laws of Nature, nor my owed political allegiance to my father and his country, from being passed on from my father to me. I did not owe any allegiance to Japan due to its soil jurisdiction because the U.S. does not recognize its citizens to owe allegiances to a state due to their soil jurisdiction ever since we won our independence 250 years ago! This is why the place of your birth is totally irrelevant for determining who qualifies under Article II. You must have a citizen father to qualify. A similar argument proves that your mother is also irrelevant.

Another way to be considered a “natural born citizen” of the U.S. is to just be born to a U.S. citizen mother as long as she is old enough and meets other statutory requirements. At least with your mother or father, we can move beyond the Positive Law jurisdiction of legal rights and legal privileges of soil to actually consider the Natural Law jurisdiction and what natural rights are inherited from your parents. By having a parent who is a citizen, it can strictly be interpreted that we are talking about Natural Rights because natural rights are inherited from one human being to another, not from soil.

However, a “natural born” citizen status from just your mother fails to meet Article II requirements on two fronts. By looking at both the political context of Article II as well as its purpose and intent, which is to ensure political allegiance to the U.S. by preventing titles of nobility from attaining the office of President, we can see that  a person’s mother cannot be a determining factor for Article II purposes. First, just look at the political context. Since the office of President is a political right and political rights are natural rights that are inherited from males under the Constitution and Declaration of Independence, you cannot inherit from your mother, who is a female, the natural political right to be President. Both males and females inherit their political rights from their fathers, not their mothers. Next, look at the intent to prevent titles of nobility and it is obvious that if any foreign king can impregnate a female U.S. citizen, then you would have a child born who inherits a title of nobility and a political allegiance to a foreign country through his father who cannot even claim an inherited political allegiance to the United States, even though he would be a “natural born” citizen by his mother, because we do not inherit political allegiance through our citizen mothers. Clearly your mother alone makes it impossible to qualify under Article II.

3) The office of President is not supposed to be an office that a person is born into the PRIVILEGE of qualifying for; it is supposed to be that a person must be born qualifying as a NATURAL RIGHT, not a legal privilege.

The term “natural born citizen” from the soil jurisdiction is a legal privilege only, and it refers to a citizenship that is recognized solely by the soil jurisdiction without regard to the citizenship of the parents. Also, if you have a foreign father, then a “natural born citizen” status from a citizen mother is also a legal privilege defined in statutes with strict conditions placed on age and residency requirements of the mother before one can claim a natural born citizen status as a U.S. citizen. Both conditions are LEGAL PRIVILEGES and not the recognition of a NATURAL RIGHT to be a citizen. To the best of my knowledge, there are no statutory requirements if you are created by a citizen father; you are automatically recognized to be a natural born U.S. citizen, no matter the age of your citizen father, as a natural right and not a legal privilege. The Office of President is supposed to be one that you inherit the natural right to qualify for and it is not supposed to be that you are born into qualifying as a legal privilege like a noble title.

That was the entire problem with the monarchy form of government in England which the founding fathers were trying to avoid. In England, under the English Common Law and monarchy, there was an elite group or privileged class of natural born citizens who had titles of nobility (royalty). They were the only natural born citizens of England that could claim the political right to be the head political leaders of their country. The commoners were also natural born citizens but they were not members of the sovereign body politic that was exclusively for those with titles of nobility. The commoners originally could never serve in the House of Lords (why do you think it is called the House of Lords?) or claim a sovereign political authority to be a king. Our founding fathers wanted to move away from this elitism of the nobility and permit any natural born citizen male who inherits a political allegiance from his citizen father to have the opportunity to hold the highest political office in the land. Furthermore, they did not want to entrust Congress to be in a position to grant a privilege of a title of nobility to a citizen or non-citizen that was not born inheriting a political allegiance to the United States, who could then be a king and take over the office of President and create a monarchy. If the office of President was just a privilege and not a natural right, then Congress and the courts could just create a Presidential privilege statute for their friends and interpret it with the courts to create a special privileged class that would overturn the Constitution, and the sovereign People of the country could be disenfranchised from their natural political rights by Congress and the Courts. With Article II “natural born Citizen,” meaning that you must inherit your political allegiance from your citizen father, this places the jurisdiction outside of Congress or the Courts and forces the jurisdiction to be the Natural Law jurisdiction which is opposite and outside of the Positive Law jurisdiction of Congress or the Courts. This is why Article II is totally defined under a Natural Law jurisdiction by natural conditions of having a citizen father to inherit your political rights and owed political allegiance from, so Congress and the Courts will have no lawful jurisdiction to create a privilege or title of nobility that would disenfranchise the people from their own government. This is in fact what has now happened with Obama because the Congress and Courts have conspired together to exceed their authority and grant the privilege of a sovereign political authority to Obama when he never had the natural right to claim an inherited sovereign political authority, nor claim an owed political allegiance to the U.S. at birth, inherited also from his citizen father.

Conclusion

We have now discovered and proven what the true meaning and definition and interpretation of Article II “natural born Citizen” is. It is clear that it has nothing to do with your place of birth nor your mother, but just means a natural born citizen created by a citizen father. The utter contempt of the Congress, the Courts, the Department of Justice,  the FBI, military, news media, etc., for the Constitution and the sovereign political rights of the People is now blatantly clear. There can be no question that there is no political representation of the citizens or recognition of the natural sovereign political rights of males, or any legal recognition of the freedoms and liberties of We the People. With Obama installed as a usurper, we have now gone back in time to the identical political conditions which existed prior to the Declaration of Independence under the tyranny of the monarchy of King George and his Parliament. We now live under tyranny and involuntary servitude to Congress and their statutes which cannot possibly be valid law with an illegal President signing them.

The Courts, of course, are going to expect the citizenry to accept the validity of the statutes and the courts’ authority, when in fact the statutes are completely without validity and the courts lack authority and proper jurisdiction to enforce the statutes signed by Obama. The judges will no longer be judges but instead will become prosecutors, usurping authority that they do not have to prosecute political tyranny with lies, forcing people against their rights of conscience to accept lies and false laws, and they will ignore the natural sovereign political rights of the citizens which were recognized in the Declaration of Independence and implied in the U.S. Constitution. A condition of involuntary servitude, which is the essence of SLAVERY, will now be the law of the land. It is ironic that in 2008 a black man and the Supreme Court are responsible for reviving the condition of slavery in America. It is unconscionable that the FBI, Justice Department and the Courts sit on their hands and lack the political will to enforce the laws and Constitution as the citizenry are abused and violated. We might as well be living in Nazi Germany. The Republic is lost. All hail King Obama and the 50 State Plantation of America. I hope you enjoy being a slave.

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Monday, November 8, 2010 5:40 PM

Dear readers;

Apparently I have made a mistake of mistaken identity. I had been corresponding with a “Doctor Conspiracy” who I had believed was Mario Apuzzo. Due to this mistaken identity error on my part, I misstated Mario Apuzzo’s position and included him in my Article and I should not have included him. Apparently Mario and I are on the same page now and he seems to be saying essentially the same things that I am saying. I apologize for this confusion and I have asked Sharon to edit my Article to remove any reference to Mario Apuzzo.

Robert Laity
Sunday, November 7, 2010 7:42 AM

Garacka, I WAS referring to the fact that the term “All Men” INCLUDES Women.

Robert Laity
Sunday, November 7, 2010 7:37 AM

Garacka, Military Bases are not considered US Soil.

Karen
Saturday, November 6, 2010 8:38 AM

I think it’s time to seriously consider that Obama MUST be a NBC of the US (in reality) b/c there’s just no way that the entire US Govt, including SCOTUS (w/a 5-4 Conservative majority) would permit Obama to actually violate Article II eligibility requirements. Justice Thomas made an interesting comment when he admitted the Court is essentially “dodging” the NBC matter. He said: “we found another way” — or something to that effect — to validly confirm Obama as NBC. Now, Thomas did not connect his statement directly with Obama. But, one must consider that it’s simply NOT believable that the entire US Govt and the media would deliberately permit Obama to become POTUS unless they knew, that in reality, Obama is the offspring of 2 US Citizens. . .in addition to being born on US soil.

In my opinion, the reason SCOTUS will not permit this/these cases to go forward is because ultimately Obama will be declared a NBC because his father is not Obama Sr. In other words, the Obama case is the WRONG case to bring. . .because all that will be proven, ultimately, is that WHO Obama’s father is is the lie and it’s not even Obama’s fault b/c HE was lied to for most of his life. By the time, he knew that his father was not BHO Sr., HE was already known as BHO II and so he retained that identity.

The problem, however, is that the RECORD shows that the child of a FOREIGN NATIONAL became POTUS. . .ergo precedent now exists to DEFINE NBC as exclusively those born on US soil to at least one US Citizen parent.

Another problem: Pauli’s argument that citizenship is inherited “naturally” from one’s father. That places the parental role of the father as exclusively important. Well, maybe that was true back in 1789 but it is not true today. Today, mother & father are equally parents. So, IF NBC status can be passed onto the child EXCLUSIVELY by the father, then WHY NOT NOW exclusively by the mother?

Based on the known facts of Obama’s citizenship, I am certain that he is NOT a NBC of the US. There is NO case law that supports the notion that he is. There is only one recognized definition of NBC — that all recognize to be true: born to 2 US citizen parents on US soil. As the court in Wong Kim Ark and Marie Eig (I believe) noted: ALL OTHER definitions of NBC are speculative. That means — or should mean — that no one with a citizenship different than the only recognized definition of NBC can be permitted to become POTUS unless or until that definition is EXPANDED (via the court of Congress) to include: born to ONE US citizen parent on US soil. At the moment, the definition of NBC does not include Obama’s type of citizenship — at least re: what is publicly known.

Robert Laity
Reply to  Karen
Sunday, November 7, 2010 6:43 AM

Thomas did not find another way. There is no other legal way. Obama has never BEEN an NBC and never will be.

Robert Laity
Reply to  Robert Laity
Sunday, November 7, 2010 6:54 AM

Thomas said that they are “Evading” the issue. Evading the constitution is illegal.

You contradicted yourself Karen. You stated that we “must consider that obama MUST be an NBC of the US” but then conclude with saying that you are “certain that he is NOT an NBC of the US” On that last point you are quite correct. Obama has never been an NBC of the USA. He has never been the POTUS either.If his father turns out to be other then O,Sr (Some say that Obama may be X,Jr as in Malcolm X) and Obama knew it,that is also FRAUD.
http://americangrandjury.org/public/
http://israelinsider.ning.com/profiles/blogs/is-obama-the-secret-son-of-

Jack Stromberg
Reply to  Robert Laity
Monday, November 8, 2010 5:32 AM

> If his father turns out to be other then O,Sr (Some say that Obama may be X,Jr as in Malcolm X) and Obama knew it,that is also FRAUD.

Robert, I don’t quite understand how fraudulent statement of parenthood would disqualify Obama/Soetoro from being POTUS. It might be an impechable offense, but there is no automatism I can see that would render his presidency void in the case that he actually were the son of Malcolm X or Frank Marshall Davis or any other US citizen father.
Simply lying about your parents or falsifying your documents does not affect eligibility.
That’s why I don’t see the speculation about his father being someone other than Obama Sr. or Lolo Soetoro is leading anywhere but into directions we would not like.

Reply to  Karen
Monday, November 8, 2010 3:49 PM

The fact is that the courts do not have the jurisdiction to determine the qualifications for the office of President. Those qualifications are already set in the Constitution and they are set to be that you originally had to be a male who was created by a citizen father. That is what “natural born Citizen” means. Later (almost 150 years later) the pool of sovereign citizens qualified under Article II was expanded to include females who are created by a citizen father, with the 19th Amendment. This is entirely a political issue and not a legal issue which is why the courts keep ruling that there is no standing. The courts lack jurisdiction because no one is using the courts in the proper way. The proper use of the courts in this case is to just empower a citizen as a special prosecutor and return indictments and arrest Obama for his criminal fraud and usurpation. The FBI and Justice Department lack the political will to enforce the laws.

Robert Laity
Saturday, November 6, 2010 2:35 AM

Mick, All citizens of American parents born overseas are NOT NBCs.

Robert Laity
Reply to  Robert Laity
Sunday, November 7, 2010 6:58 AM

Karen.

Corrected Link to “Is Obama the secret son of Malcolm X”:
http://israelinsider.ning.com/profiles/blogs/is-obama-the-secret-son-of

Reply to  Robert Laity
Monday, November 8, 2010 3:51 PM

Yes they are. Read the Supreme court cases of this, they disagree with you.

Slick Sleeves
Saturday, November 6, 2010 2:28 AM

Jedi Pauly,
Congratulations, you have labored hard and delivered forth a very interesting, and thought provoking, Opinion Piece.

However, there are a few details that you might want to consider; which may affect your arguments. First, you make a big issue of the capitalization of Citizen; as used in the Constitution and Declaration of Independence. I believe that at the time these two documents were written, it was common practice to capitalize ALL nouns – not just Proper nouns, as is modern practice. At the following hyperlink you will find the US Constitution – as “originally” written. I could NOT find any nouns therein, that were written lower case – all caps. You might want to take a look, for yourself.

http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/constitution_transcript.html

If I’m correct, “natural born citizen” (today) would have the same interpretation/meaning as “natural born Citizen” (circa 1700s).

Otherwise, you did make a number of valid and important points. Particularly, concerning the social station / position that females, and non-free blacks, held in society. For example, in old Censuses the names of females within a household were often omitted. Just the number of females living there was listed. However, the first names of all males were listed, along with their ages. There was one exception to this practice : If a female was the Head of the Household, then her first and last names and age were listed on the Census Form.

Sadly, I do not know the maiden name of my paternal grandmother. Everybody just always called her Effie Mae, and that was considered enough identification. Her maiden name was not considered important, and it somehow got forgotten with passing time – and dying relatives.

Up until 1922, whenever a male immigrant became a Naturalized US Citizen, his wife (if he had one) became automatically “naturalized”, also. Without any other actions being required on her part, she just assumed the citizenship of her husband. He was required to swear an Oath of Allegiance, she wasn’t.

This same mindset may have prevailed in olden times, relative to the transfer of a man’s citizenship, privileges, and possessions to the females and children of his family group?

You are correct though, just because our old laws did not recognize the Natural Rights of Sufferage to women – and Liberty to black slaves – these rights, endowed by our Creator, nonetheless still existed from the beginning. “Corrective” Amendments to the Constitution did NOT grant anybody any NEW Natural Rights. They simply affirmed that mistakes had been made, and thereafter were rectified.

Likewise, the Bill of Rights did NOT “give” / grant anybody any new Natural Rights. It merely codifies those (existing) Natural Rights – so that the Federal Government might not mistakenly abridge or infringe them. That was “the Plan”. However, despite the fact that these Rights were written in plain English, it it clear that willful Judges and Legislators don’t have much respect for any Rights that interfere with their meglomania.

There is a big mistake in many people’s minds. Just being born in the US – or being a US Citizen – or even being a Natural Born Citizen – does not, in themselves, “give” anybody a right to serve as President. This is a Privilege, not a Natural Right. Likewise, “a decent job”, “decent medical care”, et cetera may be lofty social goals, but these are Not Natural Rights, either.

You are correct about one thing; many of our social misunderstandings come about because Words are often used without careful consideration as to their meanings. (Or, the deliberate twisting of their meanings by chalatans and unscrupulous “politicians”.) We must be very careful of how we use words like Rights, Privileges, Immunities, and Powers. And, we need to chastise anybody who misuses or twists those IMPORTANT words. The 10th Amendment – of the Bill of Rights – never once mentions a Right (especially regarding any State). It mentions only “powers”. Therefore, States / Governments don’t have any Natural Rights – just Powers.

“When words lose their meanings, men lose their Liberties” — Confucius

Robert Laity
Reply to  Slick Sleeves
Sunday, November 7, 2010 7:12 AM

“No person except a natural born citizen…shall be eligible to the Office of President;neither shall any person be eligible…who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a resident in the United States”

Those are the sole requirements to be POTUS.

The “Right” to be President if one chooses to run for that office is restricted to no one who meets these requirements. The right emanates from the Preamble which is part of the Constitution.

If running for President, for example, makes one happy, then the Blessing of Liberty called “the pursuit of Happiness” gives one the “RIGHT” and not “privilege” to run for POTUS.

Robert Laity
Reply to  Slick Sleeves
Sunday, November 7, 2010 7:19 AM

In addition, availability of a “decent job” and “decent medical care” fall under promoting “the general welfare”, the opposite being the governments failure to keep jobs IN America and not regulating excessive medical costs.

Slick Sleeves
Reply to  Robert Laity
Thursday, November 11, 2010 1:13 AM

Robert and Jedi:
My fellow patriots, the following remarks are offered merely for discussion and debate. They are not intended as a personal attack. I have no ego in this game. We are all students of life.

In today’s Post & Email Editorial, Mr. Mario Apuzzo, esq. writes the following paragraph referencing Mr. Daniel Webster (a Founding Father). Mr. Webster clearly reinforces my contention that “Serving as President is NOT a Natural Right – it is privilege, granted by the community to an individual.”

Quote:
“Indeed, Webster expresses an opinion that, under a government characterized by popular and elective office, the People have a right to establish qualifications for their elected officials before they may occupy any such office, for such office is “the free gift of the people.” He explains that no man has a right to an office, for the office is granted at the pleasure of the People to those in whom they feel “confidence” and with whom they share a feeling of “good-will” because they believe that person to be both fit and qualified for that office. He adds that the same People can decide at their “discretion and option” to change those qualifications as they deem necessary for their own safety and security.” End Quote

Therefore, serving as President would not fall under the Right of “Pursuing Happiness”.

In this same vein, I repeat, we must be careful not to fall into the same erroneous/false beliefs as our current crop of political charlatans, relative to the actual intent and extent of the “Commerce Clause” and the “General Welfare Clause”. These were “originally intended” to be fairly limited in scope. Most of the Problems our Nation faces today, comes from “over-regulation and control”.

The “original” purpose of Government – as defined by the Constitution – was to Protect Us (from assaults & invasions, ensuring that our Natural Rights were respected, ensuring that our Contracts were honored, et cetera). Our Government was not intended to make our lives easier by giving us goodies. Government actually “owns” nothing to give us. It merely serves as a transfer agent; to take from one person (in the form of “taxes” – “lawful stealing”) and give it to another. Charity is an Individual Responsibility, not a Governmental Function.

You will get no argument from me that our current Government has done an absolutely disgusting Job relative to protecting us from invasion (our “Open Borders” fiasco), our loss of Good Jobs (by rewarding Businesses for moving our jobs off-shore), and permitting our Medical Community to “cheat” us via outrageous and unsustainable cost increases.

http://www.thepostemail.com/2010/11/10/daniel-webster-reveals-that-the-kerchner-petitioners-have-standing-to-demand-that-obama-show-he-is-a-%e2%80%9cnatural-born-citizen%e2%80%9d/

Jedi Pauly
Reply to  Slick Sleeves
Sunday, November 7, 2010 11:45 AM

Dear Slick;

One need only make an examination of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution and observe that not all of the nouns are capitalized. Whenever a noun is capitalized it means something specific or limited or implies reference to another source for definition. I have heard this argument over and over that the capitalization is just somehow “stylistic” That argument is pure rubbish. The capitalization definitely means something.

Keep in mind that those who were writing the Constitution knew that they were creating something very special and almost unique in history. They were well aware of the previous usurpations of authority of previous governments and the natural tendency for governments to grow to be tyrannical. The use of capitalizations was intended to convey specific limited meanings and concepts to alert the reader that they are not talking about just the same old definitions and meanings that had come before and had been perverted by previous governments.

The entire history of mankind has been a struggle between the natural law jurisdiction pushing against the positive law jurisdiction with the positive law jurisdiction usually winning out. The triumph of the Revolution was the opportunity for the founders to once and for all declare the supremacy of the Natural Law jurisdiction over that of the Positive Law jurisdiction of the government. That is what is being related with the capitalization of “Citizen” in the phrase “natural born Citizen”. They are conveying the sovereign political status. it means a sovereign male citizen. This is meant to remind the government that the people are sovereign over the sovereign condition of the government, and that the office of President must be chosen from among the population of SOVEREIGN citizens who are born inheriting their sovereign political rights directly from their fathers. It is meant to convey that Congress and the Courts have no jurisdiction whatever to create a monarchy by declaring someone to be a king who would have the exclusive privilege of claiming a sovereign political authority to be superior to that of any other sovereign male citizen. Here is a correspondence between me and Mario Apuzzo that will shed more light on this situation for you. It is with regards to the CSR report on “natural born Citizen”.

To Mario Apuzzo Saturday Nov. 6th 2010

Thank you for the link to the Congressional Research Service memo. You should be aware however that I am already very familiar with that bogus piece of propaganda that is easy to debunk and is nothing more than evidence of a criminal conspiracy to defraud the people. It is so very easy to show what a bunch of garbage and propaganda it is. Observe.

Quote from the CRS memo page 4:

“Because the term “natural born Citizen” is not defined within the Constitution”

Right there one can stop and realize that we are dealing with bull**** propaganda. Just use simple common sense and ask yourself, if the term “natural born Citizen” is not defined within the Constitution, then that would mean that those who wrote Article II qualifications did so with undefined terms that they themselves could not have possibly understood, that were undefined, and the meaning was not known. This is an impossibility and defies all logic and reason. How would you even know what it was you were writing if you did not already know what you meant by the words you were using to describe the qualifications for the highest political office in the land? It is just not possible for it to be “undefined” within the Constitution. That would mean that it was written as a mystery to its meaning and left for future generations to argue about. This is an absurd notion that defies all reason.

Also, examine their discussion about the soil jurisdiction and it is easy to see their lack of proper understanding of the role of the soil jurisdiction and they are ignoring blood inheritance. They fail to understand that under the political system of a monarchy, the soil is used to grant privileges doled out by the king. Just because we call the privilege of citizenship granted by the king via his soil, “natural born” does not mean that we are talking about natural inherited political rights because the king is not the source of natural rights. That term “natural born” when derived strictly from soil and English Common Law, is called “natural born” simply because under a king, if you are born on the kings soil, then you are “naturally” subject to the kings authority who automatically creates and demands political allegiance to the king without your consent. We did not free ourselves from the dictatorship of the king in 1776 to create another king over us. The U.S. government is not our king and we are not born with a political allegiance owed, without our consent at birth, due to soil jurisdictions since we won the war of 1776, otherwise we would not be a sovereign people anymore. Remember the Declaration of Independence were it says “deriving their just powers from the CONSENT of the governed”? We just retained the ability to grant privileges, the same as the king used to do, which is a positive law power, and we gave that ability to the government so they could extend privileges via the soil that falls under the jurisdiction of Congress. We retained the nomenclature from the English common law “natural born citizen” which meant a natural born citizen “subject” of the king. When used in this manner, the term “natural born citizen” is just a legal fiction or word art retained from a different political system from history that does not describe a condition of blood inheritance of natural political rights.

Article II is clearly not referring to that nomenclature. If Article II was constructed with the words “natural born citizen” without the capitalization, then it would just mean any statutory definition or created legal fiction of what is called a “natural born citizen” and one could just substitute whatever the current definition is as that term is modified over time by judge’s rulings, or by statutes from Congress.

Since the Constitution is the supreme law of the land and is a STATUTORY AUTHORITY and not a STATUTE, it can not be changed buy a judges opinion or by a simple statute from Congress. This is why I have been trying to teach you that in Article II, “natural born” is an adjective phrase meant to convey that we are talking about what is created by natural birth so that it falls entirely under a natural law jurisdiction. The adjective phrase “natural born” is describing a proper noun “Citizen” that means a sovereign male. Put the two together and reference Vattel and it is clear that what is being conveyed is a sovereign male citizen who is created by natural birth which implies the inheritance of natural political rights from a father who is a citizen.

Vattel : “It is asked whether the children born of citizens in a foreign country are citizens? The laws have decided this question in several countries, and their regulations must be followed.(59) By the law of nature alone, children follow the condition of their fathers”

Vattel makes it clear. In the absence of, or ignoring, the positive law jurisdiction (“by the law of nature alone”) when we are only talking about the natural law jurisdiction, both males and females (children) follow (means inherits) the political condition of their fathers. This makes perfect sense because the entire point of Article II is to remove from the jurisdiction of Congress and the Courts, which is only the positive law jurisdiction, any power to determine who qualifies for the office of President. This is why I keep stressing the importance of the capitalization because it conveys that we are strictly talking only about what is created by the laws of nature or the natural law jurisdiction in the absence of any positive law jurisdiction. By removing the positive law jurisdiction, we can simply interpret Article II to mean that we are talking about political rights that are natural rights and natural political rights are inherited from our fathers who are citizens. It just does not get any easier than this. It is just so incredibly obvious. You can forget about the positive law jurisdiction and appeal strictly to the natural law jurisdiction and the inheritance of natural political rights by blood (father) because that is what Article II is telling you. I hope this helps you to understand.

This might also help you to understand why the Courts lack proper jurisdiction to determine this issue because it is already settled by appealing to the natural law jurisdiction which is outside of the jurisdiction of the courts to determine because Article II places the jurisdiction outside of Congress or the Courts. By appealing to the courts in the way you have, you are essentially asking the courts for an advisory opinion on the meaning and interpretation of Article II and the meaning is already clear and defined and not within the power of the courts to determine. This is now a political situation and not appropriate for the courts to get involved in. Hence, all the rulings that we lack standing. The proper use of the courts would be to empower a citizen as a special prosecutor to bring a criminal complaint and arrest warrant and just arrest the President since the FBI and Justice departments and Congress obviously lack the political will to enforce the laws and they have abrogated their responsibility. Then the courts would have proper jurisdiction to act.

Reply to  Slick Sleeves
Sunday, November 14, 2010 2:55 AM

Slick Sleeves, you make very reasonable arguments. I like your signature line. I would like to know you better. I think I could learn from you. I enjoy info via mises.com. I twitter @ggallman . With my experience as a formally elected school board member, and seeing what is happening to our federal government, I am worried. Any hope I have is from what seems to an awaking public as voiced through the Tea Party movement. Many people are angry. But many are not knowledgeable. The internet is the printing press of the present.

Robert Laity
Saturday, November 6, 2010 1:42 AM

Shep, The “Law of Nations” …the “Law” of Nations. The Constitution did not incorporate a “Book”. In any event,if they had, Whether “Rewritten or not” Congress has “the power to define” any such revisions.

Jedi Pauly
Friday, November 5, 2010 10:50 PM

Addendum:

1) “natural born Citizen” in Article II is just describing a sovereign political entity, a male, since the original intention was not to include females or was not to recognize the natural political rights of females with Article II. That was never intended or else the Minor court would have found political rights for women to be recognized in the Constitution and we would not have needed a 19th Amendment.

2) “natural born” is just describing a proper noun “Citizen” that is referring to a specific member of a sovereign body politic chosen from among the universe of natural born citizens that are all created by a certain set of natural circumstances. Lets list the entire universal set of possibilities:

a) nat born citizen just by soil without regard to parents citizenship.(statutory only)
b) nat born citizen by just mom being a citizen without soil or dad (statutory only)
c) nat born citizen by just dad being a citizen without soil or mom (natural inherited right)
d) nat born citizen by both mom and soil without dad (statutory only)
e) nat born citizen by both dad and soil without mom (natual inherited right, soil irrelevant)
f) nat born citizen by both mom and dad without soil (natural inherited right, mom irrelevant)
g) nat born citizen by all three dad, and mom, and soil (natural inherited right, mom,soil irrel.)

3) it requires only one special set of circumstances from the set described in (2) in order to simultaneously satisfy both the political context of Article II which is the inheritance of a natural political right, and the original intent which was to prevent titles of nobility from the office of Pres.

a) we can eliminate from our set in (2) (a), (b), (d) because they cannot prevent titles of nobility and they only deal with legal privileges and not not natural inherited political rights.

b) (c), (e), (f), (g) will all work for Article II because the presence of dad insures natural inherited political rights and inherited political allegiance to dads society and prevents titles of nobility from being inherited by the offspring.

Robert Laity
Reply to  Jedi Pauly
Sunday, November 7, 2010 7:23 AM

All “Citizens” are NOT “nat born citizen'[s]. Those who do not meet the requirement of having TWO American Citizen parentS and who are not born on the US mainland are NOT Natural-Born Americans.

There are those who must be Naturalized and they do not,DO NOT become “nat born
citizen[s} after being Naturalized. they become Naturalized Citizens.

Robert Laity
Friday, November 5, 2010 5:19 PM

Tom, “Citizen at Birth=Statutory citizen” must be clarified.

Those who have two American ParentS and are born IN the USA are “Natural-Born”
“Citizens at Birth”

Those who do not have two American parents and are born in the USA must be
naturalized.These are never “citizens at birth” as if nothing statutory had to be done to remedy their non-citizenship.

Harry H
Friday, November 5, 2010 3:33 PM

The theoretical hypotheses and arguments are interesting, but there are two clear requirements for office that Soetero/Obama plainly lacks:

1. an American birth, and
2. an American father.

Yet we as a nation have been so intimidated by Obama’s half-blackness, so terrified of being called racist, that we have elected an alien to our highest office. What a colossal con this gullible nation has been suckered into and by which it is still victimized!

Robert Laity
Reply to  Harry H
Friday, November 5, 2010 3:53 PM

PC be damned. Race provides NO immunity from prosecution for criminal activity. Obama is Mullato;Caucasian,Negroid and Arab. I am White and I am calling his Caucasian part treasonous. Can I help it that he carries along his Negroid genes in the same container? His Negroid and Arab genes are complicit.

Robert Laity
Reply to  Harry H
Friday, November 5, 2010 5:21 PM

He must also have had an American Mother.

1776reloaded
Friday, November 5, 2010 12:59 PM

The last year George Washington was President of the United States(1796-1797).

Vattel’s The Law of Nations, was the most influential book on the law of nations for 125 years following its publication. The first English translation appeared in 1759. Numerous editions of The Law of Nations were printed in England during the Eighteenth century, which were widely read in the American Colonies, along with editions in the original French. The first American edition appeared in 1796.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2148074/posts

A republication of the 1797 translation of Vattel’s work, along with new English translations of 3 early essays.
http://oll.libertyfund.org/index.php?option=com_staticxt&staticfile=show.php%3Ftitle=2246&Itemid=99999999

The point is not only were the founders alive at the time of the translation but the
Translaters and publisher’s were also ALIVE AT THE TIME OF THE FOUNDERS and they absolutely UNDERSTOOD THE MEANING AS WELL,WITHIN THE VERY CONSTITUTION THAT FREED them and it was accepted by the Founders.

Robert Laity
Reply to  1776reloaded
Friday, November 5, 2010 3:55 PM

Article 1,Sec.8 (USConst):

“Congress shall have the power to …punish…offenses of the Law of Nations”.

Shep Enwood
Reply to  Robert Laity
Friday, November 5, 2010 9:43 PM

Yes, but I don’t think the Constitution is referring to deVattel’s book in 1.8.
Do you really believe our founders would incorporate a book (that could be rewritten/altered any time) into the Constitution by reference?
Besides, what would an “offense of a book”, as this would translate to, comprise? De Vattel’s “Law of Nations” is a legal treatise, not a law in itself or a statement of rules which could be “offended” (=violated).

It’s more likely they meant the abstract “Law of Nations”, not the book of the same name.

The argument why deVattel’s definition of NBC is what the founders had in mind is more complex.

Mick
Friday, November 5, 2010 11:05 AM

To Ms. Rondeau, I agree w/ you to an extent, but you should also realize that those writing the editorials could have an ulterior motive beside seeking truth, and your guard should be up for those propagandists.
—————-
Mrs. Rondeau replies: I am fully aware of that, sir.

Kristin
Friday, November 5, 2010 10:58 AM

this is just stating what I’ve always said. Obama cannot be president because his father was not a US citizen. Simple as that. All this running around trying to find a birth certificate has been a waste of time. THAT has been the frustrating part. That we were refusing to look at the elephant in the room.

There are those who think Marco Rubio should run for president too. His parents are Cuban. Seems he can’t be president either…unless some want to give Obama a pass.

Robert Laity
Reply to  Kristin
Friday, November 5, 2010 3:58 PM

Yes. It IS an “elephant in the room”. As the facts are known,as proferred by Obama himself,if his father was Obama,Sr and his mother Stanley Dunham,that combination makes it patently indisputable that Obama is NOT an NBC.

Mick
Friday, November 5, 2010 10:51 AM

The Solicitor General in the Kerchner case is Neal Katyal. He is a native born son of non citizen Indian parents (like Jindal).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neal_Katyal

He was also a student of Akhil Amar, who testified for amending A2S1C5 in 2004.
Interesting connection, especially in light of Obama’s trip this week.

http://judiciary.senate.gov/hearings/testimony.cfm?id=1326&wit_id=3883

Robert Laity
Reply to  Mick
Friday, November 5, 2010 4:03 PM

Obama PAID his attorneys to find a way to “EVADE” Article 2,Sec. 1:
http://opengov.ideascale.com/akira/dtd/6507-4049

SCOTUS Justice Thomas stated that,that is the same thing the Supreme court is doing,”Evading that issue”:

Skippy Ross
Friday, November 5, 2010 10:07 AM

Jedi Pauly says
” I am better than a lawyer, I am a PHYSICIST class of 87′ Purdue University West Lafayette Indiana!

You may be well educated, and a smart logical thinker, however you lost all respect for your opinions when you declare yourself “better” than anyone else.

Jedi Pauly
Reply to  Skippy Ross
Saturday, November 6, 2010 5:25 AM

You are misinterpreting my comment. All I meant was that law is a science and someone with a science background is as good if not better ABLE to interpret and understand these matters than someone who just has an attorneys license, not that I am better than anyone else.

OldAtlantic
Friday, November 5, 2010 9:40 AM

The basic principle is a person who from the time they were born to the time they were president had a single country as their sole allegiance and the only country they reasonably could think of as theirs and where their future would be. If a person as a child is raised in another country to believe their future lies with that country, then they are disqualified. A person born here but whose parents give them a path into living in that other country as their allegiance is also disqualified. An NBC who goes off and becomes a citizen of another country and settles there is also disqualified.

The basic idea is that the CINC is someone whose sole allegiance and whose center of life has been a single country from birth to the time of being CINC.

Thus McCain would qualify and Obama would not. This is what feels right to us and would feel right to those who wrote the Constitution.

Case 1: A child of Americans for many generations with father and grandfather admirals born abroad but always raised as an American, and is continuously covered by military care from birth for 35 years, goes to the Naval Academy, etc.

Case 2: A man wanders through, has a child with a woman determined for her children to live in another country and hates America and raises her son partly in a foreign country as the adopted child of a man of that country, with the intention he live in that country, etc.

The Founding Fathers would say Case 1 can be CINC and Case 2 can’t be no way no how.

Jack Stromberg
Reply to  OldAtlantic
Friday, November 5, 2010 10:43 AM

That is a nice thought, however that is not what the Constitution says.
It clearly speaks of “natural born citizen”, not of education home or abroad or other circumstances that might give rise to questions about allegiance (e.g. religion, political views etc.).
Every natural born citizen is eligible according to the Constitution, even if he were a Marxist satanist who hates America and is in love with North Korea.
These are choices for the voter to make, not matters of eligibility. So we should not confuse the two unless we wish to depart from constitutionality.

Robert Laity
Reply to  Jack Stromberg
Friday, November 5, 2010 4:12 PM

Obama has never BEEN an NBC and he is still a “Marxist,Satanist who hates America and is in love with”:

Iran
Iraq
Russia
China
North Korea
Kenya
and
All Muslim Nations

Garacka
Reply to  Jack Stromberg
Saturday, November 6, 2010 9:47 AM

Vattel allows for one born in the Armies of the State (McCain) to be an NBC….

Robert Laity
Reply to  Jack Stromberg
Sunday, November 7, 2010 7:36 AM

Jack, Allegiance is a factor. ONLY NBCs have sole allegiance to America. The framers mandated that only NBCs BE POTUS. This is strictly REQUIRED.

Jack Stromberg
Reply to  Jack Stromberg
Monday, November 8, 2010 5:44 AM

> ONLY NBCs have sole allegiance to America.

No, everyone who is a US citizen (and a US citizen only) has sole allegiance to the USA. It’s just that the founders wanted to exclude naturalized citizens. It does not imply that naturalized citizens do not have sole allegiance to the USA (e.g. a stateless person who becomes naturalized, what other allegiance would he have)?

We should try not to confuse things, such as necessary and required conditions. NBC implies sole allegiance, but not the other way around.

Robert Laity
Reply to  OldAtlantic
Sunday, November 7, 2010 7:30 AM

McCain does NOT “qualify”. Military bases are NOT US Soil.

Robert Laity
Reply to  Robert Laity
Sunday, November 7, 2010 7:34 AM

Persons born abroad are statutory citizens. There are statutory requirements that must be met. These are not NBCs.

The President is the sole individual under our law who is strictly restricted to and required to have been BORN in the US Mainland and he/she MUST have two American Parents.

12thGenerationAMERICAN
Friday, November 5, 2010 9:29 AM

Meanwhile, The Usurper is thumbing his nose at all of us narural born citizens and spending a reported $200 million per day of OUR TAX MONEY on his boondoggle trip to India and wherever else it pleases him. Hillary could easily swing back on her boondoggle and accomplish the same thing The Usurper is SUPPOSEDLY doing for far less of OUR TAX MONEY?!!?!? Our only hope is that Rep. Darrell Issa doesn’t cave and gets to the bottom of all of this FRAUD and WASTE?!!? God bless the USA!

Jack Stromberg
Friday, November 5, 2010 4:28 AM

> “children who are born in the country, of parents who do not owe any political allegiance to other countries, are in the language of the Constitution itself, natural born citizens.”

I think that interpretation (that “not owing allegiance” is related to citizenship and that “within the jurisdiction” is the same as “not owing allegiance”) poses both a logical problem and a threat to the Constitution. Let me explain why:

This theory assumes that as soon as you owe “allegiance to [an]other countr[y]”, your children cannot be natural born citizens (NBC). Being a citizen of another county fulfills the requirements of “allegiance to another country”. This includes dual citizenship. So, if you’re a citizen of another country (even if “only” by dual citizenship), your children can never be NBC.
You’re with me so far?

OK, here goes the catch:

Imagine for a moment that tomorrow another country (may that be Canada or North Korea, let’s stick with Canada for this argument) enacts a law stating “Any person born on US soil or by at least one US parent automatically becomes a citizen of Canada at birth”.
They’re free to do so because it is up to any country to determine who its citizens are.

So, what does this mean? Within one generation, everyone born on US soil or by at least one US parent has become a (dual) Canadian citizen.
Which means, by the argument above, that their children can never be NBC.

See where I’m getting at? If the interpretation above were correct, any country could enact a law that would make it impossible (!), within two generations, for any person to become eligible for US presidency!
All US citizens = dual citizens of Canada = no NBC.

Do you understand now why I think this is a dangerous interpretation that “not owing allegiance” is defined by citizenship?

Mick
Reply to  Jack Stromberg
Friday, November 5, 2010 10:44 AM

This is a nonsense Obot strawman argument. Countries have the natural right to determine the naturalization and citizenship status of their own citizens, not those of other countries. If 2 citizens of America (only) have a baby on US Soil, then that child is a natural born Citizen regardless of what any other country says.

Robert Laity
Reply to  Mick
Friday, November 5, 2010 2:45 PM

TWO American ParentS + Born on US Soil=NBC

Jack Stromberg
Reply to  Mick
Sunday, November 7, 2010 5:42 AM

You need not label me an Obot simply because you aren’t able to tackle by objection on its merits.

In fact, you are supporting my argument, not refuting it.
Exactly, every country decides for itself who its citizens are. So Canada – and Canada alone – decides who is a Canadian citizen. Now the catch is that US law (just as the law of every other country in the world) *recognizes* that authority. So if someone is a Candian citizen by Canadian law, he is a Canadian citizen to US law. (Otherwise Obama/Soetoros father would not be a British citizen to US law – he was a British citizen by British law and US law recognizes that.)

Besides, I was not critizing the “born on US soil by two US parents” definition but the “not owing allegiance to any other country” definition, if you would’ve paid attention instead of calling names. By that definition, as long as you’re a dual citizen at birth, you can’t be an NBC.
Or do you now propose that US law should ignore Canada’s definition of who a Canadian citizen is, contrary to what you claimed?
You can’t get around this lock-up unless you reject the definition of “not owing allegiance to another country” *or* reject the right of every country to determine who its citizens are.

Robert Laity
Reply to  Jack Stromberg
Friday, November 5, 2010 2:49 PM

Canadian law is of NO effect in the USA. We nake our own laws.

Robert Laity
Reply to  Robert Laity
Friday, November 5, 2010 2:50 PM

Correction: We Make our own laws.

Robert Laity
Friday, November 5, 2010 4:25 AM

A very LONG WINDED treatise. Natural-Born American Citizens are those who have TWO Citizen parents and who are born in America. This is NO “Hypothesis.

Mick
Reply to  Robert Laity
Friday, November 5, 2010 10:45 AM

This Jedi guy is obviously an Obot, trying to smear Apuzzo by linking him w/ Berg and Taitz.

Robert Laity
Reply to  Mick
Friday, November 5, 2010 2:51 PM

Jedi has warped arguments…gets an F minus.

Jedi Pauly
Reply to  Mick
Sunday, November 7, 2010 10:53 AM

Your comment makes no sense. If I were an Obot then I would not have proved that Obama can not possibly be qualified under Article II. I think you need to work on your critical thinking skills.

Jedi Pauly
Reply to  Robert Laity
Friday, November 5, 2010 12:27 PM

You have missed the entire point of the Theory and Hypotheses. The entire point is not that those who have TWO citizen parents and who are born in America are not natural born citizens and I have not even said that they are not. By definition they are and I have never disagreed with that and you can not drive that I am disagreeing with that from my Proof.

The entire point is that Article II is not talking about natural born citizens who are created by statutory definitions that includes the one that you are describing. The entire point I make is that your mother and soil are irrelevant for Article II purposes (within the context and intent of Article II) and “natural born Citizen” in Article II only originally meant males who inherit their natural born citizen status from their citizen fathers because you do not inherit natural political rights from soil or your mom and neither one are sufficient to prevent titles of nobility from attaining the office of President. I think you need to reread and digest.

Robert Laity
Reply to  Jedi Pauly
Friday, November 5, 2010 2:59 PM

The definition of Natural-Born Citizen that appears in the “Law of Nations” is the “One definition: that the founders chose. This is incorporated by specific reference in Article 1,Sec.8,US Const).

The “Mother” must be an American. She is one of the two “ParentS”. necessaary to pro-create the Child. The Father must also be an American.

Natural rights are not inherited. They are GIVEN to “all men” by God.

Foreign royalty can NEVER be considered NBCs so their children can never BE considered NBCs because foreign royals are NOT Americans.

Spaulding
Friday, November 5, 2010 1:52 AM

Right Troy. A “scientific” analysis. But what is the issue? It appears to be resentment toward Mario Apuzzo, and Orly Taitz. The title of the thesis statement is “A Scientific Legal Theory.” But the first sentence is about “…a critical analysis of the incomplete works of attorneys Orly Taitz, Phil Berg, and Mario Apuzzo,”. That essay would have failed my rhetoric course. Mr. Pauli claimed the topic was natural born citizenship

Proceeding a bit, the author makes assertion after assertion which he not only does not support, but which are patently false. I have read Mario Apuzzo’s writing as well as Orly Taitz’, and have never heard or read either assert what Mr. Pauli claims. Neither, for example, has claimed that the definition of natural born citizen has changed since John Jay recommended its inclusion in Article II. To the contrary. This person appears not to have read Mr. Apuzzo’s voluminous writing or references, and Orly Taitz simply takes John Marshall’s definition as written. She doesn’t contest Minor or Venus or Perkins v. Elf or Wong Kim, or try to teach the public because that is not her background.

In science defining terms is important. We learn to define only as many as are necessary, and to try to keep them independent. Mr. Pauli, besides his disagreements with Mario Apuzzo whether or not he knows what Mario said or wrote, invents some entirely unnecessary logic of his own. “Natural Law is defined to be opposite or opposed to the Positive Law.” As Bill Clinton so succinctly said, “It depends upon what is is.”

“Females had no political rights recognized for almost 150 years after the adoption of the Constitution.” Try U.S. Supreme Court THOMPSON v. THOMPSON, 2 U.S. 128 (1791). That was a divorce settlement, in the woman’s favor. But there were hundreds of cases involving legal rights of women before sufferage. I guess it depends upon what Mr. Pauli considers “political rights.”

Vattel, presumably meaning his Law of Nations, did not write “50 years before the Declaration and Constitution.” Correcting it hardly seems worth the effort. Vattel’s Law of Nations was published in French in 1758. Vattel’s publisher provided Benjamin Franklin with preliminary copies of an English translation in 1772. Franklin was already familiar with the French edition, as were many of our diplomats, most of whom were familiar with, if not fluent, in French. The core curriculum at our first law school at William and Mary was Law of Nations, the French edition, in 1779.

Then, Mr. Pauli asserts “Berg can probably convince any jury that this is the case and can be said to have achieved the goal of proving that Obama is not a valid President.” That Mr. Berg could prove anything about Obama, having assertions and no evidence makes no sense. A jury would have to ask, as World Net Daily has said, too often in my opinion, “Where’s the birth certificate?” That was Chester Arthurs’s ploy as well, and Chester, probably like Obama, always had his birth certificate. He wanted that to draw attention from his unnaturalized father.

The closest to elegant scientific writing about citizenship that I have seen is from a reference by Mario Apuzzo, Dr. David Ramsay’s “A Dissertation On The Manner of Acquiring The Character and Privileges Of A Citizen Of The United States” which can be found among Marios appendices or by seaching Scribd.com. For concision among justices, though I haven’t read more than a handful, John Marshall stands at one end and Horace Gray (Wong Kim Ark) at the other. The framers never intended that the Constitution contain definitions. Almost the opposite is true, according to James Wilson. They wanted the Constitution to be written in the the common language so that citizens would not be dependent upon a class of mandarins for interpretation. Vattel was part of our common law.

Not meaning to be unkind to Mr. Pauli, but not wanting citizens to believe natural born citizenship is so obtuse a topic as not to warrant a hearing, Mr. Pauli’s “Better than a lawyer” comment is a little sad. Descartes said “Truth is something clear and distinct to the human reason.” After reading Mr. Pauli’s essay read the latest essay by Mr. Apuzzo on Law of Nations at his web site – puzo1.blogspot.com. Think about what you take away. I am a mathematician, and certainly not “better than a lawyer”, or smarter than a lawyer. I wish more of them would chose science as a career because we need those minds. Mr. Apuzzo’s is a first class mind, and he is showing the discipline seldom required of a scientist or mathematician.

1776reloaded
Reply to  Spaulding
Friday, November 5, 2010 2:07 PM

Cornell Univeisity
Law School
LIT / Legal Information Institute
CHAPTER 113B > § 2339B

Findings and Purpose
Section 301 of title III of Pub. L. 104-132 provided that:

US CODE: Title 18,2339B. Providing material support or resources to designated foreign … Page 2 of 2

“(a) Findings.—The Congress finds that—

“(1) international terrorism is a serious and deadly problem that threatens the vital interests of the United States;
“(2) THE CONSTITUTION CONFERS UPON CONGRESS THE POWER TO PUNISH CRIMES AGAINST THE LAW OF NATIONS AND TO CARRY OUT THE TREATY OBLIGATIONS OF THE UNITED STATES, and therefore Congress may by law impose penalties relating to the provision of material support to foreign organizations engaged in terrorist activity;
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode18/usc_sec_18_00002339—B000-notes.html

UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION ARTICLE 1 SECTION 8 CLAUSE 10: The Congress shall have Power To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and [[ OFFENCES AGAINST THE LAW OF NATIONS; ]]

Robert Laity
Reply to  1776reloaded
Friday, November 5, 2010 3:21 PM

Precisely. Insofar as the definition of NBC IS legally defined as one who has two citizen parents and who is born in the country and that the meeting of this definition is REQUIRED for one to be POTUS, the Law has been violated by Obama. Coingress has the power to “Punish” said “Offense against the Law of Nation”.

Since it is a violation,also,of international law,any country who is a signatory or the Rome agreement can bring suit against the USA for having allowed it.

Robert Laity
Reply to  Spaulding
Friday, November 5, 2010 3:07 PM

It is interesting to note that Vattel did not write the Law of Nations, Vattel interpreted it into French from Latin. The Romans even knew that to be an NBC involved having TWO citizen parents and being born in the Roman Empire.

The “Law of Nations” is incorporated into the US Constitution at Article 1,Sec.8:

“Congress SHALL have power to…define and punish offenses of the LAW OF NATIONS”.

NUTN2SAY
Reply to  Robert Laity
Friday, November 5, 2010 7:38 PM

What a choice of interesting words. “Congress SHALL have power to….define” To define! Notice it does not say…”Congress SHALL have power to…ignore” Back in 2007 Congress had a duty in my opinion to define Natural Born Citizen and they blatantly chose to practice ignorance to the Constitution of the United States of America! Keep in mind the Senate was concerned about the eligibility of McCain and not Obama. But they were only worried about the geographical aspect of McCain’s eligibility and not the Constitutional interpretation of Natural Born Citizen! To me this is evidence that our federal government committed a Constitutional crime by not adhering to Constitutional law and procedure when it is obvious that they are rewriting and therefore amending presidential qualifications without following the Amendment Process as outlined in the Constitution! Without any amendment it appears the federal government is just simply designating the 14th Amendment as a new requirement to be a qualified presidential candidate and not Article 2 Section 1…this is a clear violation of the U.S. Constitution!

Bob1943
Thursday, November 4, 2010 10:36 PM

I disagree with those who say Obama Sr. is not Barry’s real father. I believe the relationship between not having a long-form Hawaii birth certificate, (apparently he doesn’t), and all of the other sealed records, is that almost every one of those records somewhere on it ask for place of birth…and that place of birth is filled in, usually by Barry himself as, Mombasa, Kenya.

Also, I believe he was listed as a “foreign student” and that is another reason all of his school records are hidden. His Columbia records may also be hidden because….as Reverend Manning says, they do not exist.

Robert Laity
Reply to  Bob1943
Friday, November 5, 2010 3:09 PM

Who really knows who Obama’s father is without the production of a bona-fides Birth Certificate? Obama,Sr was not legally married to Stanley Dunham. He had a wife in Kenya when he professed his undying love for Stan.

Skipper Dan
Thursday, November 4, 2010 10:00 PM

Atty. (some may call him General) Apuzzo is painting a Masterpiece, spending countless hours toiling for Justice. He is a leader and deserves appreciation.

What is incomplete is the black curtain’s finally being drawn on this mindless charade of an unlawful usurpation of Power, then the restoration of the Republic, all OBAMA Law being adjudicated void ab initio.

Plus, the OBAMA Confession is proof, free and clear for Citizen (inc. attorney) use:

http://www.scribd.com/sconnerat

Miki Booth believes that Justice is coming soon. Rep. Issa (R) is on board. Sunlight is the best disinfectant, and the GOP’s shining brightly. OBAMA has painted himself into a corner. Now, it’s time to go…big day tomorrow on the Jungle Cruise ride!!

NUTN2SAY
Thursday, November 4, 2010 9:58 PM

Wasn’t there a time when there was such a thing called ….”PROBABLE CAUSE”? The police use probable cause all the time don’t they? I would think that citizens of the United States of America who have read this nation’s Constitution and in particular Article 2 Section 1 and who also happen to be knowledgeable of the words of Supreme Court Chief Justice Morrison Waite, where Waite substantiates what the Founding Fathers intended Natural Born Citizen to be defined as ( born to a mother and father both who are U.S. citizens at time of birth), have “Probable Cause” and the Constitutional Standing to ask questions about Barack Obama, who because of his non citizen father, his eligibility is and has in the past come to question! Don’t we as in WE THE PEOPLE have a right to know the answer to those questions? Well you know after two years now…apparently the answer is NO! In one subtle subliminal way or another WE THE PEOPLE are being told we have no right to know anything about the past or legal requirements of presidential candidates anymore! We are now being told to accept what ever presidential candidate that is thrown at us and to shut up and not to question about legal Constitutional technicalities! A free country does not do this kind of thing! This is why I say that when Obama moved into the People’s White House…The Constitution of the United States of America died! Nothing will ever bring back the Constitution until this matter of the illegal usurper Obama is properly addressed and Obama is given living quarters at Gitmo! Maybe that is why Obama wants to close Gitmo? He wants to close it before he becomes a resident! Either way! Until this matter is given the proper national attention that it deserves….America is no longer the America you once thought it was!

1776reloaded
Reply to  NUTN2SAY
Friday, November 5, 2010 1:27 PM

First Amendment Right. The Bill of Rights:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

EVERY SINGLE MEMBER OF CONGRESS ARE DISHONERING THEIR OATHS AND ARE IN VIOLATION OF THE CONSTITUTION DENYING WE THE PEOPLE OUR RIGHT FOR A REDRESS. THEY ARE REPUGNANT TO THE CONSTITUTION AND IGNORING OUR FUNDAMENTAL RIGHT FOR A REDRESS. THIS MUST NOT STAND.

Robert Laity
Reply to  1776reloaded
Friday, November 5, 2010 4:24 PM

Legally,any authorities who are looking the other way on this, are committing Malfeasance in Office AND are guilty of Misprision of a Felony and Treason.

We have never lost our “standing” The Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure were unconstitutionally changed in 1946 to infringe upon the people their right to make “Presentments”.

Yes,these activities of our errant authorities are “Repugnant to the Constitution” (The same phrase used in Marbury v. Madison,USSCt,1803 when they said that “Any law that is Repugnant to the constitution is null and void”.

The same court in Miranda v. Arizona confirmed the Rights of “We the People”:
“Where rights secured by the constitution are involved,there can be NO rulemaking or legislation which would abrogate them”

The Standing necessary to bring Obama to Justice,by “Presentment” is found in the Fifth Amendment and has never been repealed:
http://americangrandjury.org/public/
http://agjnow.org/

Robert Laity
Reply to  NUTN2SAY
Friday, November 5, 2010 3:33 PM

“We the People” HAVE standing under the fifth amendment. In 1946 errant rulemakers changed the Federal Rules of Criminal procedure to do way with the “Presentment”,saying that they were “Obsolete”{

“No person shall be held to answer for a …crime UNLESS on a Presentment OR
an indictment of a Grand Jury”. Presentments are founded in Common Law and wer used until 1946. Presentments are citizen empaneled Juries. Federal Grand Juries are Court empaneled. Prior to 1946 the Citizen empaneled jury was ubiquitous. It gave we the people the avenue in which even Judges could be charged. Now that process,originally meant as a means to qquestion authority must NOW BE convened by that authority or else the issue is not able to be “PRESENTED”.

That regulation is “Repugnant to the Constitution and is Null and Void” . See Marbury v. Madison,(SCOTUS,1803) and Miranda v. Arizona:

“Where rights are secured by the constitution are involved,there can be NO rulemaking or legislation which would abrogate them”

Garacka
Thursday, November 4, 2010 9:47 PM

Citizen is capitalized in all instances in the Constitution up until the 14th Amendment. Can Mr. Pauly’s logic be used to suggest these all males?

Robert Laity
Reply to  Garacka
Friday, November 5, 2010 3:36 PM

“Men” is an all encompassing term meaning those of the species Homo Sapiens. The term includes and included woMEN for withou them there would BE no species Homo Sapien.

Garacka
Reply to  Robert Laity
Saturday, November 6, 2010 9:32 AM

I wasn’t addressing Mr. Pauly’s contention that “MEN” referred to females, I was just asking whether Mr. Pauly’s claim that the capital “C” changed “citizen” from a broader set to just include males is consistent with other citations of the word “citizen” in the Constitution.

From an on-line electronic version of the Constitution, I noted that all other instances of “citizen” up to but not including the 14th Amendment capitalize the 1st letter. A proposed action is to review all those other uses to see if they might be consistent with a claim that those “Citizens” are all males. I would like to do that, but was hoping to take advantage of this community as some may have the answer readily available and I am just learning.

Troy
Thursday, November 4, 2010 9:39 PM

This is the second time that I have seen this nonsense posted and my response is the same. — Where are the links to your source material?….They certainly aren’t provided here.

Answer: There is NO source material other than an OPINION rattling around in your mind…..Everyone has opinions and they are worthless in a court of law unless you can back them up with credible and reputable source material and/or previous legal precedent.

You know what they say: “Opinions are like __holes – everybody has one.”

I hope that you’ll stick to physics and leave the legal arguments to the lawyers and constitutional scholars….You’re way off base.

Jedi Pauly
Reply to  Troy
Friday, November 5, 2010 3:50 PM

All the sources are given. I have given them to you over and over but you refuse to accept them. Once again, the only sources you need are the Declaration of Independence, The Constitution, the rules of English grammar, a couple of law dictionaries to look up the definition of Sovereign, Natural Law, Natural Rights, Legal Rights, Positive Law, and the Minor v Happersett Supreme Court case. No other sources are even necessary. The rest is supplied with logic and reason. Perhaps you lack of understanding and acceptance is not due to the lack of sources but rather is due to something else?