DOCUMENT ALLEGEDLY OBTAINED IN KENYA SENT TO EVERY MEMBER OF CONGRESS
by Sharon Rondeau
(Sept. 5, 2010) — Lucas Daniel Smith has just completed a mailing to each member of Congress a copy of a document which he stated is a certified copy of the original birth certificate of Barack Hussein Obama II showing that Obama was born in Kenya, Africa. Each birth certificate copy was sent with a seven-page, individually-notarized letter by certified mail. The project was completed on August 31, 2010.
Smith said that he obtained the document from the Coast Province General Hospital in Mombasa, Kenya in February 2009. The document became part of a lawsuit filed by Dr. Orly Taitz, Esq., in California which was denied a hearing in October 2009 by Judge David O. Carter.
Mr. Smith’s declaration to the court, taken under oath, is here.
A video produced by “On Second Thought” TV following one of the preliminary court hearings last summer depicts Mr. Smith discussing some of the details of the document is here. A video which Mr. Smith produced himself showing close-ups of the document details is here.
In an interview with the Christian News Review on July 13, 2010, Mr. Smith described his background as a sociologist studying in Africa, how he obtained the document from Coast Province General Hospital, the cost, and the military and police presence there. A second interview with Steve Cooper of The Conservative Monster from August 18, 2010 can be found here.
The Post & Email had previously reported that the spelling of “Mombasa” had been “Mombassa” in 1961, but Mr. Smith has refuted that statement. Indeed, this writer has performed a five-page search using the words “history of Mombasa, Kenya,” and found no evidence of its being spelled “Mombassa.”
Page 635 of the Encyclopedia Britannica (pictured below) utilized by Smith for his research on the history of Kenya also refers to the port city as “Mombasa.” However, one website which has been following the Obama eligibility controversy incorrectly reports the spelling on the document as “Mombassa.”
Kenya obtained its independence from Great Britain in 1963.
The document which Mr. Smith has reported is a certified copy of the original birth certificate appears below:
The Post & Email asked Mr. Smith a number of questions regarding his travels to Africa, how he obtained the document, and his decision to send it to every member of Congress, a project which was completed on August 31, 2010. Our questions are in bold.
1. Would you be willing to send The Post & Email anything that proves your travel to Kenya (or whatever country was your first destination in Africa) before you accessed the personnel at the Mombasa hospital (the stub of an airline ticket, hotel receipt, etc.)? Do you have anything that shows when you re-entered the U.S. from Kenya after you obtained the document?
I have a plethora of documentation which puts me in the following countries in February of 2009: Democratic Republic of the Congo, The People’s Republic of the Congo, Uganda and Kenya. I will provide this documentation in person to both Congress and attorneys. I will not distribute electronic copies of this documentation until the documentation has been reviewed by members of Congress or disclosed during Congressional investigations/hearings or entered in as evidence in eligibility litigation here in the United States or the United Kingdom.
2. How long were you in Kenya before you approached hospital personnel about obtaining Obama’s record?
Less than 10 days.
3. What convinces you that the document you have in your possession is a copy of his original hospital record? Is there any chance someone gave you a fake document and passed it off as real?
I have been analyzing Barack Obama’s Kenyan CPGH hospital birth certificate for more than one year. This document has withstood the test of time. It has never been discredited. On February 19, 2009 I personally entered Coast Province General Hospital under the guise that I was looking for my sister that had fallen ill while she was working Kenya. It wasn’t until I was inside of the hospital and face to face with administrative staff that I mentioned anything regarding my desire to procure (or purloin) a certified copy of Barack Obama’s original birth record. The significance of the guise was to eliminate any possibility that the hospital’s staff (seeing dollar signs) would be “waiting” for me with a forged or fake document.
4. How long did it take for hospital personnel to procure the document once you approached them about it (e.g., did it occur over a matter of weeks, or did you simply approach them one day, offer them money, and they got the document out of the files)?
On February 19th I personally entered Coast Province General Hospital in Mombasa, Kenya. While inside of the hospital I presented a member of the hospital’s administrative staff with $5000 US dollars, cash. I set the money down in front of them and told them that the money was theirs if they could bring me a certified copy of US President Barack Obama’s original hospital birth record. I stipulated that I was only allotting a small window of time for the staff member to fetch me the document. This member of the administrative staff returned, within the allotted time, with the certified copy of Obama’s original hospital birth record. I am not, at this time, disclosing to the public the specific time allotment. However, I can tell you that the time allotment was less than 45 minutes. The significance of the time allotment was to eliminate any possibility that the hospital’s staff (again seeing dollar signs) would have sufficient time to create a forged or fake document.
5. Since you have had the document since last summer, is there a reason why you chose to hold off on contacting Congress until now?
Going as far back as March of 2009 I have been contacting members of the United States Congress and other federal and state officials as well as attorneys. I actively contacted members of Congress and attorneys during March, April, May and June of 2009. I will use the euphemism of “unfavorable and unsuccessful” to effectively, and respectfully, articulate the responses that I received.
It was at that point, June 2009, that I ascertained that eBay was my only opportunity to garner publicity and bring Barack Obama’s Kenyan birth certificate to the attention of the whole world. I never had any intentions of selling the document. The world would have never known about Barack Obama’s original 1961 hospital birth record from the Protectorate of Kenya if it weren’t for the June – July 2009 eBay auctions.
The Lucas Daniel Smith 4th of July (2010) Letter to Congress is intended to serve as an official record of having informed all of Congress, each member, of Barack Obama’s Kenyan birth and the existence of the 2009 certified copy of Barack Obama’s 1961 Coast Province General Hospital Mombasa, British Protectorate of Kenya, birth record. The letter also directs their attention to a document that they themselves, i.e., US Congress, published in the 1990s which questioned the eligibility of individuals born abroad, of TWO US CITIZEN PARENTS, to hold the Office of President of the United States of America.
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On September 1, 2010, Mr. Smith reported to The Post & Email that letters containing the document he obtained from Kenya have been sent by certified mail to all members of Congress, funded by a private donor. The complete mailing, which is 3,945 pages long, is divided into eight links due to its size.
The letter to Senator Charles Grassley of Iowa begins:
Lucas Daniel Smith
1626 5th Avenue SE
Cedar Rapids, Iowa 52403
Lucas_d_Smith@live.com
319-804-0440
07.04.2010
United States Senator Charles Grassley
135 Hart Senate Office Building
Washington, DC 20510
202-224-3744
RE: Barack Obama was born in Kenya. I personally obtained from his birth hospital and now have in my possession a certified copy of his original birth record from the British Protectorate of Kenya.
Dear Senator Charles Grassley,
I am writing to you today regarding a matter of national security.
We may have spoken before. This letter will, in part, serve as my official record of my having contacted you regarding the above referenced subject matter.
The President of the United States of America is not eligible to serve as our President.
President Barack Hussein Obama II is not a natural born citizen of the United States of America. President Obama was born in Mombasa, British Protectorate of Kenya at the Coast Province General Hospital in 1961.
I, Lucas Smith, have proof of this.
Mr. Smith points out the following in regard to page 7 of the letter to members of the House of Representatives and Senate:
Senate Publication 103-21 (US Constitution) was sent to me almost 10 years ago from US Senator Charles Grassley. Last year, while in Africa, when I learned of Barack Obama’s Kenyan birth it was page 18 of this Senate published edition of the US Constitution that popped into the forefront my mind. Page 18 was instrumental in my decision to pursue this story of President Obama’s birth place and attempt to procure some sort of official Kenyan birth record of Mr. Barack Obama.
It was page 18 which contains the words of the late Johnny H. Killian:
This clause requires that in order to take oath of office a president must be 35, a resident within the United States for 14 years, and a natural-born citizen. This last requirement (natural-born citizen) raises the question of whether someone born to American parents outside of the United States would be eligible to hold the office (emphasis added by The Post & Email).
Mr. Johnny H. Killian advised Congress for more than 44 years on constitutional matters. As senior specialist in American public law at the Congressional Research Service, Mr. Killian was the person most often called upon when the constitutionality of a proposal was in question. Mr. Killian was also the editor of and major contributor to the 1972, 1982, 1992 and 2002 editions of “Constitution of the United States of America: Analysis and Interpretation,” nicknamed the Annotated, a seminal work on the judicial history of all constitutional amendments that is a standard text in U.S. law schools.”
More information on Johnny H. Killian can be found here.
Some have questioned the date format and other aspects of the document which Mr. Smith obtained, stating that it would have been written in the European format of day/month/year. However, Smith has provided an envelope which he claims is from Mombasa from 1897 showing a month/day/year format:
and made the following statement:
The stamps on the envelope are specifically from 1897. Furthermore, and more importantly, the British ran out of their own stamps sometime in 1897 and overprinted these Zanzibar stamps with the wording of “British East Africa”. A close look at the stamps on the envelope shows the “British East Africa” overprint. The overprint on the far right stamp has the easiest overprint to make out.
The narrative from the 1926 Encyclopedia Britannica which Mr. Smith utilized for his research containing the above map of Kenya appears below.
Page 635 provides the following historical statement on Kenya:
Change of Status.—During this period of strain the change from a protectorate to a crown colony was effected (July 1920). The new colony was named after Mount Kenya, the most commanding natural feature of the country. The coast lands which formed part of the Sultanate of Zanzibar were not annexed but became the Kenya Protectorate.
What will the members of Congress do once all of the letters are received? Can they continue to stonewall, insist that Obama has shown a valid birth certificate from Hawaii, and refuse to investigate? What other document issued in the United States comes close to resembling the document which Smith procured?
No hospital in the United States has claimed that Obama was born there. Only Governor Linda Lingle of Hawaii has stated that Obama was born at Kapiolani Medical Center, but a person formerly employed in the Hawaii Elections Office says that Obama “was not born in Hawaii” and that “the government there knows this.”
What if Dr. Fukino has been obfuscating and lying to keep the truth from the American people?
Can the judges continue to defend Obama’s right to keep his records hidden? If Obama is a fraud and ineligible to serve as president, what should be done?
THE ONLY CERTIFIED PICTURES of LUCAS SMITH IN AFRICA on the INTERNET
SEE IT HERE !!! SEE IT NOW !!!!
LINK HERE:
http://theautonomist.com/atnmst/bo_bc_files/obamma_bc_ebay6_bids.html
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The 2 photos in Africa shows Smith standing without his shirt (its hot) in front of an African ? slum
In the auction Smith says the following:
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Added two other photos of Lucas. These two photos are only listed to show the background neighborhood in Africa, which will be of relevance when documenting our story (explain later). These two photos are not for autograph.
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ALSO NOTICE the auction is titled:
Autographed photo of Smith and Andylenny abroad
although Smith doesn’t say (and never has said) that the pictures of him and Andylenny are in an Airport in Africa …he just says the picture is of them abroad
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NOW I know I am beating a dead horse here, but on the off chance that P&E writer Sharon Rondeau will do the right thing and contact Mr Smith asking him to explain these things or the chance that another inteviewer will read this and educate himself or herself before believing everything that Smith says, I will try to spell out some common sense problems with Smith’s tale.
One…. Smith first posted these picture of himself in Africa in July of ’09.
No one can verify that the pictures are of Africa and not of the Dominican Republic (where Smith has spent a good deal of his time).
Two…… Smith has never put another picture on the internet of himself in Africa even though he says he now says he has a plethora of documentation for his travels.
A decent journalist would ask why he can put up some pictures and not others that clearly show him in Africa.
A decent journalist would ask for some verification of that plethora of documents ( isn’t that what is being asked of Barrack Obama?)
Three…… the timeline questions:
Smith says the following:
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“This spring I traveled through Kenya and its capital Nairobi. I was overwhelmed by the ‘iconicized’ face of U.S. President Barack Obama that displays itself throughout the country. I had lunch at a small eatery and noticed that the club sandwich with fried plantains was now known as ‘Obama’s Plate of the Day,'” the seller wrote on the initial auction page. “As an American I was bombarded with questions in English (English is national language of Kenya) on my feelings and opinions of a Kenyan governing the United States of America. The first several times I responded in saying that not enough time had elapsed since Barack Obama’s appointment as president of the U.S.A., and that I’d have to hold my official opinion until at least January 2010, a year in office might be sufficient for me to judge his ability to govern the U.S.A.
“Naturally I thought that by ‘Kenyan’ they were referring to Barack Obama’s blood, being that his father Barack Obama Sr. was a native of Kenya. After a day and a half of my being in Nairobi I learned that they were literally referring to President Barack Obama Jr. as being born in Kenya, a native of Kenya.”
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This sounds as if his experiences that spring were before he procured the document as that experience led him to question where Obama was born. So which Spring is it? ’09 or ’08.
Smith does not talk about 2 trips to Africa (Spring and Winter)
Clearly because the document says he got it in February of ’09 he has had to change his story …and say that he went in the winter.
If I am wrong Mr Smith……
Please explain.
People and especially journalists need to use their brains rather than simply trust the words of a man who has the kind of past that Smith has.
Smith needs to provide some reasonable explanations (but he wont)
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Mrs. Rondeau replies: I have “done the right thing” and asked Lucas Smith for proof of travel. None has been forthcoming, or we would have reported it. Nowhere in The Post & Email’s article did we state that Mr. Smith’s story is true. We reported on his letter campaign to Congress, which was verifiable, and Smith’s own research which he submitted to us.
Im happy to hear that you have asked Mr Smith for some evidence of his travels. I am certain however that you will never receive any reasonable validation of his claims.
While the story of Mr Smith sending his document and his story to all Congressmen and women is somewhat interesting, without the most basic back up material Mr Smith’s story is just that…. a story. Congress will no doubt ignore it as the work of a crank
Look at what Mr Smith has put on line to back up his claims that he mailed his document to each and every Senator etc. He scanned thousands of pages. This is very odd behavior from someone who cant show anyone a picture of himself in what is unquestionably Africa.
If you ever do question Mr Smith again please ask him where his first video (in which he shows the Kenyan BC)was taken. Again he hasn’t said.
I am not the first one to ask a question without an answer but it seems to me the people at P&E would do well to dig a bit deeper and ask Mr Smith a few more pertinent questions.
If not maybe in the next “interview” of the daring Mr Smith the interviewers will do their homework and will not be willing to wait till hell freezes over to get an answer or two.
Question:
In one of Mr Smith’ first ebay auctions (I think the auction was in earlyJuly of ’09) he stated the following:
“This spring I traveled through Kenya and its capital Nairobi. I was overwhelmed by the ‘iconicized’ face of U.S. President Barack Obama that displays itself throughout the country. I had lunch at a small eatery and noticed that the club sandwich with fried plantains was now known as ‘Obama’s Plate of the Day,” (*see footnote)
I assume this can be found in other places on the internet but I found it in a
WND article:
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=102854
This makes me wonder about the timeline .
Did Smith travel twice to Kenya ?
Once in the winter (February ’09) and then again in the spring of ’09 ? or was it the spring of ’08?
If it was the Spring of ’09 why did Smith return to Kenya after daringly procuring this document ? was he afraid on the second trip?
Perhaps Mr Smith has spoken about this second trip and I missed it…or perhaps he simply mis-spoke.
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Also in an early auction Mr Smith stated the following:
“I want to make clear that this whole endeavor to obtain information on O’s birth was a three man job (more accurately 2 men and 1 lady). Andylenny. Smith. Dawnella Wilson. Smith and Andylenny are (due) the credit for actually getting their hands on the proof. Dawnella Wilson is due credit for financing the whole undertaking. The photo in this listing is up for auction. On the left is Smith and on the right is Andylenny. This photo will be signed by Smith, as Smith. This will be the only autographed photo put up for auction. One auction, one winning bidder, one photo. No more,”
this can also be found in a WND article:
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=102754
(If anyone can point us to some screen shots of these auctions …I think there were 6 of them , it could help clarify some other important points)
I believe the only verified picture of Mr Smith in Kenya which has appeared on the internet can be found in one of those auctions (Mr Smith was standing in front of a slum). Mr Smith has stated that this WAS Kenya twice now, once in the auction and once recently on Free Republic (thread sadly removed).
I find this surprising as Mr Smith states here on P&E that he has a “plethora” of evidence.
As to Andy Lenny and Dawnella Wilson I don’t think Mr Smith has mentioned them since.
If I am wrong ,can someone point me to it ?
I would love to hear more about these 2 people…I believe Mr Lenny is a native of Kenya…. (I hope he is safe )
Mr Smith posted a picture of the 2 of them together with a very cute child in what I assume is an airport in Kenya. (Mr Smith has yet to establish that however)
At one point it would have been possible to purchase the picture on ebay.
Just askin
Footnote: Mr Smith has uncovered evidence while using Google that plantains do indeed grow in Kenya or perhaps nearby.
Jon Carlson’s comment is not serious. It is a joke, or hoax. Children will play.
Having a foreigner in the White House destroying America is no laughing or joking matter. If you want to join a discussion keep the personal attacks to yourself.
The rule on ‘Obama’ documents is if it has the birthdate August 4, 1961 it is forged. The typeface is from a Royal standard manual typewriter circa 1961. I have one in a closet. See:
http://www.hoaxofthecentury.com/Annwriting1_files/Royal.jpg
Each and every typeface matches the Royal typeface to a T. Can he go to Thailand and check out the hospitals there?
We think ‘Obama’ may be related to the Thailand King but clearly he is from Thailand. The no eyelash eyes are clearly Asian. Not a single Negroid feature on his bod.
Is Obama a Thai Buddhist President?
http://www.hoaxofthecentury.com/ThaiPresident1.htm
So H2 may be saying that big consevative media may have been told that any challenge of eligibility is a trap and would result in the FCC re-instituting the hated fairness doctrine and doom talk radio.
And of course Fox TV News has to become MORE fair and balanced than perceived, whatever the h*** that means. Supporting the liberal leftist agenda in any way should not enter into any discussion of fairness or equal time, WTF.
An effective strategy by those leftists to neutralize the heavy hitters on the right to be sure.
When this issue of BHO not being eligible to be president first came up I thought; yea, right, some right wing nut jobs are spinning this. When the issue was avoided by the media and would not be discussed by the WH, I thought – this is being used as an opportunity to draw out some of the conservative talk types like Limbaugh or Beck and when they had hung their rear end out on the issue, boom – all the needed documents would appear, the nay sayers would be shamed and banished, and the fairness doctrine would be touted as necessary to save us from such hype. I kept waiting. Then, the underground media began to report that the president was spending millions to keep the challenges out of court. That’s odd, I thought. I wonder why they are waiting? There are only two possible answers: 1. Still waiting on the right “big right wing fish” to discredit with the issue. or 2. The allegations are true. If it is #1, there sure is a lot of money being spent to set the trap and the usual suspects – Limbaugh and Beck don’t seem to be biting. The longer this goes on the more I suspect it is #2.
I believe Lucas Smith should have his day in Court. After all is said and done Mr. Lucas confessed in his affidavit submitted to Judge Carter all the facts and were it wrong would put Lucas in prison under penalty for perjury for five years. That is important to consider here. Why didn’t Judge Carter hear the testimony as promised? Because Holder and Elena Kagen put a stooge into Carters chambers.
His “opinion” about what a Natural Born Citizen is belies his true intent.
No it doesn’t. How about we actually do something to help authenticate the CPGH document instead of looking for new ways to discredit Mr. Smith?
Here are some comments from Mr. Smith on authentication of the CPGH, (Coast Provincial General Hospital), document:
I (Lucas) have always welcomed examination of the CPGH document. I have never turned down an offer. I have, in the last several months, received a few phone calls in which I was asked if I would submit the document for examination if they paid the fees $$$. I said YES, and was very happy to say YES! Each caller turned out to be a BIG TALKER, but no action. I never heard from them again.
About a year ago WND claimed that I walked away from their “team” of authenticators. Oh my god, I want throw up now. There never was any “team”. And I called them out on that in a couple of videos that I have made throughout the last year. I’ve often challenged WND to give me just one or two names of this “team” of authenticators. The only team they had was Corsi, Drew and Farah. And as you know, I’ve categorically debunked their “findings”.
Lastly, I always welcome examination of the CPGH Obama document. So far, no one has offered to pay the fees which would be in the thousands of dollars. I’ve been quoted at times with $300 per day and been told that it could takes weeks, if not months, to complete the job. I can’t afford that.
One more note, and an important one at that. The CPGH document can begin the authentication process at any moment by anyone. The method to authenticate is to verify that data on the document. People could have been doing that for the last 13 months (like I have been doing). The CPGH document is plastered in thousands of places around the Internet. It’s not difficult to find.
Notice how the “skeptics” wont discuss obvious methods of authentication such as……..finding signatures to compare with the 1961 birth doctor and also the 1961 supervisor. Notice how that sort of thing is “overlooked”.
Greetings:
This website has organized some of the links to official information on the topic of eligibility. The information is highly objective and is simply presented for your consideration.
Here are links to pages on the topic: http://tradewithdave.com/?p=293
http://tradewithdave.com/?p=1772
http://tradewithdave.com/?p=1891
Why isn’t anyone bringing up the most obvious question: WHY would Obama spend $2 million in legal fees in order to keep from presenting his real birth certificate if there wasn’t something very fishy going on? I know it would be a tough question for me: Hmmmm . . . let’s see, present my birth certificate, or spend $2 MILLION to keep from presenting it. Yeah, that would be a tough question, alright.
I suppose because the facts you mention require common sense in order to be connected to Obama’s obvious ineligibility, something the Obots either do not possess or are unwilling to admit they do.
I have brought it up many, many times. They usually blow if off with “well, he could be hiding something else.”
The obvious, someone get BO’s footprint and compare
How, exactly, do you explain that baby’s footprint ? Did someone in the office have an exceptionally small foot if the document is forged ? I believe this document more than I give credence to the suspect one from Hawaii.
Lord, let it be so !
The thing from Hawaii is not a birth certificate like the one shown in this article. The Hawaii thing just acknowledges Obama was hatched from a test tube and nothing more. The one in the article looks like something we have all seen before.
In the Orly Taitz Barnett case order on page 26 Judge Carter says even if Kenya authenticated a BC such as the Lucas Smith CPGH BC, a Hawaii state authenticated COLB would be given greater credibility in his court. In other words in comparing an authenticated BC from a third world foreign state to an authenticated BC from a US state, Carter would “favor” the US state document.
“Plaintiffs appear to assume that should the Court receive a document from
Kenya, the Court would give credence to this document over the American birth records of the President and the case would be resolved. Even should the Court permit the issuance of a letter rogatory to Kenya, the Court would still engage in a comparative exercise in which the records of America, which has historically maintained some of the most credible recordkeeping practices in the world, would be contrasted with the credibility of the records obtained from Kenya. Such an analysis would seemingly favor the records of the United States.”
http://www.scribd.com/doc/21815599/KEYES-BARNETT-v-OBAMA-89-ORDER-by-Judge-David-O-Carter-REGARDING-DEFENDANTS-MOTION-TO-DISMISS-56-See-document-for-details-Defendants-Moti
In my (non-lawyer) opinion, only if and when Obama’s HI COLB is successfully challenged by exposing the underlying “vital records” as being sufficiently inconclusive to allow a foreign Kenya birth will a federal court take an authenticated Kenyan CPGH BC seriously.
In the meantime numerous specific features of Lucas Smith’s BC have been authenticated and none to my knowledge have been conclusively debunked.
Lucas Smith’s efforts in sending letters to Congress helps build public pressure in the court of public opinion to demand discovery of Obama’s concealed HI “vital records” and to demand that Obama voluntarily release those records in the interest of transparency.
The weird thing about Judge Carter’s statement is that Obama should have been able to submit a legal Hawaiian birth certificate to the court if he truly has one; however, out of dozens of cases, he never has. There shouldn’t be any reason to speculate over what Obama has and can present in court, and the COLB clearly says it is prima facie evidence IF presented in court. So why has it never been seen in any court of law??
this is fake, the birth certificate would read Barry Soetoro
right ? Either he changed his name or not ? So which is it ?
To Joe, your sequence to the latter name of barry soetero is post birth much later.Like, after divorce with Obama I to then Indonesian husband II Lolo Soetero. Sorry, your name change chronology is years off.
I read with interest Dr. Ron Pollard (Polarik), making statements that Lucas Smith had not had the document authenticated, when in fact, I “Personally” contacted Dr. Ron Pollard and asked him if he would be interested in authenticating the document, in cooperation with, or singularly, with Dr. Sandra Lines. I have kept his response, where he declined the project, I also have a copy from Sandra Lines, who stated that Dr. Ron Pollard is not known in the Forensic Document community, and that it would be expensive, but she would consider the assignment. For Ron Pollard to make such heinous statements is indicative of his character IMO. While he is one moment introspective and convivial, the next moment he is not. Lucas Smith has consistently defened his position against ALL comers, and there was a time when I was one of his biggest pains in the neck. He was so definitive with his answers that only a handful, some of which have replied here, dog him today.
He is more than willing to have it authenticated by any qualified forensic analyst, any time, but its expensive, and he is not rich. At his youtube website we are all willing to kick in to pay for it, but, think of this, it just may be a career ender for the Forensic Examiner, people are not so willing to depose the sitting President of the United States. More than one person has lost his job, been dogged by the IRS, etc.
I suggest that someone or some organization with deeper pockets that Joe the Plumber, and every day citizens, pony up the cash for the scoop of a lifetime. Perhaps the Post and Mail will finance the examination. It needs media attention and protection.
Good Luck Lucas Smith, where there is a will there is a way. Dr. Ron Pollard (aka Polarik) your lying if you continue to state that he has denied you access to this document. You turned it down, and I have your e-mail to prove it.
Also, those who frequent FreeRepublic.com…Nobody, and I mean nobody mentions Lucas Smith (Inspector Smith) there or they are banned. I was, and there is no redress. No explanation. At least not to me. But a stern warning was issued, that I have a copy of, that warns people not to post about him, the subject, or anywhere he is interviewed, including this interview. I think they should change the name of the website to MYPERSONALFREEREPUBLIC_MYRULES.com at least it would be honest.
I must make a comment here regarding the Lucas Smith sanity question. I have been on a Federal Grand Jury in the Eastern District of Virginia in Alexandria, Virginia. I served for one year. At no time did the question of the sanity of anyone come into play when exhibits were entered into evidence. I was privy to testimony from a man that obtained a fake driver’s license for one of the 9-11-2001 attackers. I saw a letter from a man that threatened President George W. Bush with death. At no time was that man’s sanity questioned. He had committed a federal crime. End of story. The letter became evidence. Period.
Stop questioning whether or not Mr. Lucas has all of his marbles. It does not matter. I don’t care if he does or not. What matters is his evidence. Period.
My non-lawyer interpretation of the Federal Rules of Evidence (FRE) is that only Kenyan officials can authenticate Lucas Smith’s CPGH BC to a level that would permit it to be entered into evidence in federal court. No expert that WND could supposedly obtain to “authenticate” the document could meet that standard. In contrast a US COLB issued by a state is “self-authenticating”.
It makes no sense to me to disparage Lucas Smith on the basis that he has failed to obtain WND authentication (worthless in US federal court) or Kenyan authentication when such authentication would be politically explosive both in Kenya and the US and could easily be influenced by bribery or blackmail in Kenya.
See:
http://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/fre/rules.htm
Federal Rules of Evidence (FRE)
Rule 902. Self-authentication
Extrinsic evidence of authenticity as a condition precedent to admissibility is not required with respect to the following:
(3) Foreign public documents. A document purporting to be executed or attested in an official capacity by a person authorized by the laws of a foreign country to make the execution or attestation, and accompanied by a final certification as to the genuineness of the signature and official position (A) of the executing or attesting person, or (B) of any foreign official whose certificate of genuineness of signature and official position relates to the execution or attestation or is in a chain of certificates of genuineness of signature and official position relating to the execution or attestation. A final certification may be made by a secretary of an embassy or legation, consul general, consul, vice consul, or consular agent of the United States, or a diplomatic or consular official of the foreign country assigned or accredited to the United States. If reasonable opportunity has been given to all parties to investigate the authenticity and accuracy of official documents, the court may, for good cause shown, order that they be treated as presumptively authentic without final certification or permit them to be evidenced by an attested summary with or without final certification.
But if this ever gets adjudicated, wouldn’t the burden of proof be on obama to produce an authenticated birth certificate and school and other records which could support it? Lucas Smith has no way to authenticate it himself, nor really should he. The fraud in the WH needs to man up to the deception and take his lumps. Like in prison…
Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. was born Aug. 4, 1961. Matters not if BHO, Jr. was born in the Lincoln Bedroom in the White House! He is, by the laws of America, England and Kenya, was born a Muslim into the same tribe as BHO, Sr. who was born a Muslim into the Luo tribe from Nyang’oma Kogelo, Nyanza Province, Kenya, which at the time was still a British colony.
The Law of Nations, a 1758 work by Swiss legal philosopher Emmerich de Vattel, was read by many of the American Founders and informed their understanding of the principles of law, which became established in the Constitution of 1787.
Emmerich de Vattel writes in Book 1, Chapter 19, of his treatise, “The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens.” As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights…In order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.
“Since the Office of the U.S. President is a constitutional office, and that which is the pinnacle of authority and power among all the other offices; it follows that the usurpation of the U.S. Presidency is the greatest crime of usurpation which can be committed in the United States: because it violates the Supreme Law of the Land, the Constitution, and the supreme office created by that Constitution, and touches upon every aspect of the political order, since this office holds supreme authority over the military, and is the supreme representative of We the People.”
“Thus the crime of the usurpation of the Presidency is the greatest crime against the entire Nation, against the Constitution, against the citizens, and against the end or purpose of the government, which is the life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness of each citizen. Considering that the U.S. is the dominate world power, such a crime effects also all the inhabitants of the earth.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwhKuunp8D8&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCAffMSWSzY&feature=player_embedded
So the certificate isn’t authenticated, and Lucas doesn’t want it authenticated. He paid some stranger in another country five grand for this piece of paper, going on nothing but the stranger’s word, and he thinks he has the real document? Lmao!
I can understand why Lucas Smith gets a wee bit testy when I see how absurdly intent people are on discrediting the Kenyan birth certificate by endless ad hominem attacks on Smith’s personality and his past. Maybe Ron Polland could authenticate or not authenticate the Kenyan BC, but the rest of us can only deal with the document’s face validity–which is extremely high compared to the purported Hawaiian secondary document upon which Obama has staked his presidency.
By trashing Smith people are in effect supporting and defending Soetero/Obama. Some no doubt intend that effect, but I hope that some of the trashing is just misguided instead of malicious. Tom’s over-zealous attempt to portray Smith as insane is clearly malicious.
and you are grasping at a pic on a website that is proof of NOTHING, just like Obama’s COLB pic on a website is proof of nothing.
I have never claimed that the Kenyan birth cert was “proof” of anything. I do say it is much higher in face validity than its opposing document, the COLB pic, for reasons I’ve explained previously.
Practically speaking, until the truth is definitively ascertained, we do have to choose with whom to stand on birth-documentation, either Obama and his COLB or Smith and his Kenyan BC. Theoretically they could both be lying, but their documents are obviously mutually exclusive, and it is a cop-out to just blow them both off. One of them is clearly evidence of fraud. It is unlikey they are both frauds. Congress or the courts must investigate and find out the truth, but in the meantime I find Smith’s BC far more credible than Obama’s COLB.
Which is why we should all call our members of Congress, each and every one has received a certified and notarized copy of Mr. Smith’s Obama Kenyan birth certificate, and Smith’s explanation of how he acquired it. We should demand Congress investigate both Obama’s COLB and Mr. Smith’s Kenyan Obama BC until we do have something.
Mr. Smith has said he will be glad to testify in front of Congress.
This won’t likely happen because it would force the issue into the so-called maiin stream news, something the Obots fear and will do anything to prevent.
The “nothing” we will see will most likely be Congressional action of any kind on this issue……not going to stop me from trying though.
YOU COULD NOT BE MORE WRONG
GO TO SMITH’S “YOUTUBE” PAGE COMMENTS SECTION TAKE IT ALL IN( I HAVE READ NEARLY EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM)
YOU WILL, OBJECTIVELY, ARRIVE AT THE SAME CONCLUSION
IF THERE IS ANYTHING THAT I AM, IT IS FAIR-MINDED, TO A FAULT, MANY WOULD ARGUE- AND THIS MAN’S ACTIONS ARE UNFORGIVABLE REGARDLESS OF THE EXCUSE YOU OFFER HIM
IT IS ALL THERE FOR YOU
IT IS NOT MY PORTRAYAL
IT IS THE CHARACTER’S OWN SELF-PORTRAIT
You seem to be so obsessed with the messenger that you cannot see the message. This is not about judging the character or emotional/mental status of Lucas Smith. It is about the monumental question of whether we have an alien as our chief executive and commander of all our armed forces. We need to focus on the eligibility ssue and not be thrown off the track by the allure of judging Smith’s personality.
Smith has produced powerful evidence–not yet verified by legal authority, not “proof,” but evidence nevertheless–that is highly useful in addressing the issue of Obama’s eligibility. And it just may turn out to be the honest truth. How do you know it isn’t?
The great thing isTom,
It’s going to the right people, The congress, the Senate and the courts. So you don’t have to worry about Smith, America will judge its validity rest assured Tom
ALLURE? –TO ATTACKING SMITH? YOU MUST BE KIDDING– I FIND THE WHOLE THING REPUGNANT SMITH IS A DISTRACTION I WILL AGREE WITH YOU THERE AND THAT IS WHY I FINALLY CHOSE TO SPEAK UP WHEN HE WENT BACK ON THE WARPATH- LAUNCHING A RECENT SERIES OF BIZARRE , DISGUSTING ATTACKS DIRECTED, NOT ONLY AT MYSELF BUT OTHERS WHO ARE SIMILARLY, WORKING FEVERISHLY TO GET THE TRUTH OUT–AT GREAT COST-IN MANY INSTANCES- IN THE PROCESS IMPUGNING OUR INTEGRITY AND MOTIVES THROUGH GROTESQUE DISTORTIONS OF OUR POSITIONS AND OUTLANDISH MIS-CHARACTERIZATIONS OF THE NATURE OF OUR EFFORTS
UNLIKE SMITH, I’VE LEAD AN EXEMPLARY LIFE AND MY REPUTATION IS ABOVE REPROACH I HAVE HAD MERCILESS ABUSE HEAPED UPON MY PERSON FOR THE STANCE THAT I HAVE TAKEN-NOT LIMITED TO CYBERSPACE
DIRECT THE LECTURES ON SELF-RESTRAINT- ELSEWHERE I HAVE MAINTAINED SINGULAR FOCUS ON THE PRIMARY ISSUE AT HEART IN THIS MATTER/DEBACLE NOT TO MENTION SPENT THE EQUIVALENT OF 20,000 DOLLARS TRYING TO EDUCATE THE IGNORANT , ANESTHETIZED MASSES
FOLKS,THIS IS THE LATEST TIRADE FROM A CLEARLY DERANGED Mr SMITH – EXTRAIT- RIGHT FROM “THE HORSE’S MOUTH”
(note: I could spend time dissecting this madness but it should be obvious,
by now,* that the man is disturbed.(He has brought the issue of his mental stability to the fore with these unwarranted attacks ) No responsible, reasonably intelligent person, has sought to remove entirely “the soil”/the concept of jus soli- from the NBC prescription ; or “kill the birth-certificate & place of birth claims” as Smith “accusatorially” & repeatedly shouts –the most recent targets of his wrath are featured in his shocking rant recounted below)
InspectorSmith:
InspectorSmith (6 minutes ago)
Just about the while world knows that president Obama’s father was from Kenya and was not an American. President (de facto) has always been proud to admit this fact. Everyone in our government here knows, for certain, that Barack Obama’s father was not a US Citizen. A good majority of Americans understand that too.
What most people don’t know about is the fact that president Obama was born abroad. AND IM SICK of little punks like reddawn2011 and kiiifute1 that spend days and nights posting around the Internet statements to the effect that it’s ONLY THE PARENTS CITIZENSHIP determines whether their child is natural born.
Great argument guys. You guys should become lawyers. Your strategy is so effective. Mean while keep doing your best to KILL the birth certificate and place of birth claims. After all, birth place is just not important, right?
Punks.
If you’d like to witness the latest incidence of Mr Smith’s temper on exhibit …just go over to his “Youtube” page’s ‘comments section'(Sept 8-9) and marvel at his irrational response to a post which,quite cryptically-mind you, takes him to task for his irresponsible & reckless behavior* here at “thepostemail” comments area
It’s scary
* eg conflation of ‘citizen’ with ‘natural born citizen’, along with a whole host of grotesque distortions of others’ work; previously well-articulated, reasoned & logical arguments —Smith’s, deliberate or not, “mis-construances” and outright inaccurate characterizations of these ideas & positions is indicative of someone who is not “all there” for lack of a better way of describing his condition
Mr. Smith,
The Attorney General for the Commonwealth of Virginia, Mr. Ken Cuccinelli , Richmond, Virginia, may be able to use this information in his litigation against the Federal Government regarding the Healthcare bill. I do know that Mr. Cuccinelli has questioned the birthplace of Obama, and has successfully survived the Motion to Dismiss phase of the lawsuit. Please consider mailing one more letter, in hopes that we can end this charade.
Thank you!
Several months ago Lucas Smith is the one that discovered the 01/20/2010 Mary Ang’awa interview in Kenya’s “The Daily Nation” newspaper.
Here is a thread that Lucas Smith (InspectorSmith) started six months ago at Freerepublic.com back on March, 5th 2010. Over 800 comments.
“President Obama’s birth doctor, James Ang’awa, was neighbors with Barack Obama Senior in the 1960s”
http://209.157.64.200/focus/bloggers/2465278/posts
Here is a video created by Lucas Smith (InspectorSmith) over six months go and uploaded to his Youtube page on March, 5th 2010. 1500 views.
“President Obama’s birth doctor, James Ang’awa, was neighbors with Barack Obama Senior in the 1960s”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynNL4q-GgzA
Here is the AllAfrica.com article which they picked up from the articles original source of The Daily Nation.
Here is original article (January 30, 2010) from The Daily Nation.
“Kenya: You Are Forgiven, Judge Tells Her Father’s Killer”
http://www.nation.co.ke/News/-/1056/852638/-/vpwp0l/-/index.html
My last posted comment on this topic:
That it’s been in his possession for a year and half without him accepting any of the numerous offers to have it verified is suspicious in and of itself. (Who here would sit on the “smoking gun” for the last year and half as they watched this country be torn apart and brought to her knees by the Oilbama regime? Not I.) That he supposedly sent a copy to each congress critter (let’s see those returned proof of delivery cards, please) means nothing, knowing that all he has to do, if called out for mailing a fake, is to claim that he believed it to be real when he sent it. If Smith isn’t confident enough to put the document to test, then neither am I. Until Smith’s document is authenticated, I remain a disbeliever.
If you have a lot of time you can go to Mr. Smith’s Scribd account and look up the USPS certification number on each hand-addressed envelope to each member of Congress. I did that for my two senators and my congressman and their letters have been received at their DC offices.
Mr. Smith’s account is here:
http://www.scribd.com/Patriot1980
This is one of the certification notices:
Label/Receipt Number: 7010 0780 0000 1167 5933
Class: First-Class Mail®
Service(s): Certified Mail™
Status: Delivered
Your item was delivered at 6:14 am on September 07, 2010 in WASHINGTON, DC 20510.
That one is for Senator Blanche Lincoln.
seizethecarp, I don’t know if there was more than one affidavit by Smith about Taitz, but in the one here, Smith gets down and dirty in his tell-all.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/21451147/Lucas-Daniel-Smith-10-12-09-new-Declaration-SACV09-00082-DOC-Anx
You should read it all but at least be sure to read from page 11, Roman numeral XII through at least the first paragraph of XIII on page 12. Notice the date of Smith’s initial calls to DeJute is the date of the throw down between him and Taitz. Had he won that one and had gotten the money from Taitz that he’d asked for that day, I wonder if his “inner turmoil” would have still prompted him to contact the atty for the defendent that evening. (That’s a lie as I don’t wonder about that at all.)
“I have been analyzing Barack Obama’s Kenyan CPGH hospital birth certificate for more than one year. This document has withstood the test of time. It has never been discredited. ”
That’s because Smith has never submitted a legitimate, high-resolution, color scan of it to me or anyone else who can tell if it is legit, despite repeated requests to do so. As many FReepers will attest, I made several offers to help validate a genuine, unaltered copy of Lucas Smith’s document, for which I specificallty requested a high-resolution full-page color scan of the original document – just like the many high-resolution full-page color scans I made of genuine, paper COLBs.
The copy above that Smith provided is totally unsuitable for analysis as are the YouTube videos.
This has nothing to do with what WND does or says, because I don’t put any stock in anything they say, vis-a-vis, birth certificate images. Not when WND’s Publisher adamantly insists that Obama’s online COLB is genuine, and the repeated statements by him and his writers to that effect are, at best, counterproductive to the other investigations of fraud committed by Obama, the State of Hawaii, Annenberg Public Policy Center, St. Petersburg Times, and Organizing for Obama/America.
Forensic document examiner, Sandra Lines would also be a good choice for Lucas as someone who can authenticate the actual birth certificate.
If Lucas has is the real deal, then why not have it authenticated? Wouldn’t that strengthen the case to be made of Obama’s alleged birth in Kenya?
If Lucas fears that it would, in any way, fail authentication, then it should not be advertised as being Obama’s actual, certified Kenyan birth certificate.
So, as the Post & Email readers are my witnesses, I am again offering to examine a document copy that meets the following requirements:
Two 2550 x 3300 pixel (if the document is letter-sized), 300 to 600 DPI, 24-bit color scans of both sides saved as BMP files.
I am sure that both FR and the P & E would be highly interested to see them.
What I suspect will happen is that, when push comes to shove, and it is dicovered to not be authentic, Lucas will offer his mea culpa, saying, “Well, I really BELIEVED that it was and I did everything I could,” and then, another brick wall will have fallen into place isolating The Usurper from the Truth about his birth origins.
“What I suspect will happen is that, when push comes to shove, and it is dicovered to not be authentic, Lucas will offer his mea culpa, saying, “Well, I really BELIEVED that it was and I did everything I could,” and then, another brick wall will have fallen into place isolating The Usurper from the Truth about his birth origins.”
Dr. Ron Polland, I share your suspicions.
For what it’s worth, if Smith had declined only WND’s offer to authenticate, then that’s no big deal, particularly if they’re not good at it, as you claim. However, when WND is added to the list of those whose offers to do so have been declined by Smith, then it is relevant. And the list keeps growing.
Exactly Mr. Polland. Put that along with his insistance that the foreign father doesn’t matter,
The straw man argument about “artificial insemination”, etc, and the moral relativity displayed w/ regard to the illegal sale of body parts, and you have all the Hallmarks of the Obama apologist internet operative. The fact that he was paired w/ Taitz, who I also believe is a double agent’ doesn’t help either. Something about that signing doctor on the BC (An’gawa?)
murder story that recently came out doesn’t pass my BS meter also (way too convenient). Why wouldn’t he want the bC authenticated? I look at LDS with a very jaundiced eye.
Quote:
“Something about that signing doctor on the BC (An’gawa?)
murder story that recently came out doesn’t pass my BS meter also (way too convenient). Why wouldn’t he want the bC authenticated? I look at LDS with a very jaundiced eye.”
Is March 20, 2010 recent? That’s when Mr. Smith posted this video on YouTube showing that the attending doctor listed on the BC lived in the same neighborood as Barack Obama Sr. in the 60’s. Lucas says he found the information on 01/20/2010.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynNL4q-GgzA
It doesn’t seem unlikely to me that Mr. Smith would be doing his own reseach on the BC….he could have easily found this information.
What does Mr. Smith say when asked why he has not had the document authenticated yet?
Mick or anybody,
What indication is there of Taitz being a “double agent”?
Dr. ?Ron Polarik: I suspect you are a phoney writing in his name. How do you know Lucas did not have it authenticated just because it was not done by you doesn’t mean it wasn’t done.
I have read many accounts by Dr. Polarik, he does not speak of other’s peoples work, only his own.
And-I have been reading WND for years, I have never read or heard the publisher there
say that the online COLB is real. In fact, that publisher is still raising the question and has paid for billboards all over the country which ask “Where is the birth certificate”.
Lucas has done more than most and said himself it was very hard to get anyone to listen to him much as it is today with the unbelievers.
Fact is, we don’t need the bc. Obama’s father was never a US citizen and his mother was too young to confer citizenship . He was born British and many members of his family and members of Kenyan parliment admit Obama is the son of their country. Obama is illegal alien. It would be nice to see the bc just to know who his father really was.
In any event, the point is why are we even having to guess at all. We have a right to know if our president is truly legit. Question: Why pay over 2 million dollars just so he does not have to prove if he is legal? An idiot would know h e is hiding something.
I have a scan of the 1900 Federal Census schedule listing the Samuel Bush family in which Bush I’s father (Prescott Bush) supposedly was a member.
http://www.hoaxofthecentury.com/CensusBushGenealogy1_files/milwaukee1900leftcrop.jpg
How is this document verified?
FYI – There is a huge discussion going on over at FR over this story being banned. Apparently, it’s because Lucas lost control of his temper on a previous thread. I guess, if you talk with him again, just leave his name out of the title.
FYI – Information about the Doctor makes his story more credible. Hat tip
wtpotus.wordpress.com and Jonah.
http://allafrica.com/stories/201002010485.html
That’s interesting, thanks for the link.
Here is my letter I just sent to a local newspaper. Whether it will be published remains to be seen:
To the Editor:
Attached is a copy of a certified birth certificate for Barack Hussein Obama II. It is from the Coast Province General Hospital in Mombasa, British Protectorate of Kenya.
On its face, this document has much greater validity than the unnumbered, uncertified, unsigned internet image of a Hawaiian secondary birth document upon which Obama has staked his presidency.
Unlike the purported secondary document from Hawaii, which Hawaii has never verified as authentic, this Kenyan Certificate of Birth bears a certificate number, states a hospital of birth, is signed by the doctor, signed by the supervisor of obstetrics, signed by the chief administrator who released the document on Feb. 19, 2009, has the imprint of baby Obama’s foot, and bears an official seal.
It does not take an expert in document authentication to see that the Kenyan birth certificate ranks much higher in face validity than the possibly forged document produced by Obama’s own campaign office in 2008.
If there is any doubt that our Commander-in-Chief is a foreigner, Congress should immediately investigate the facts and hold open, fair hearings to definitively ascertain the truth.
I would like to add that there is another piece of evidence that rivals the Kenyan BC in its justification for court-ordered discovery and indication of possible fraud. Here is a quote from one of Dr. Taitz’ suits. “Affidavits from licensed private investigators Neil Sankey and Susan Daniels, previously submitted to this court, show that according to national databases respondent Obama has used as many as 39 different social security numbers, none of which were issued in Hawaii, which in itself is an evidence of foreign birth. Most egregious is the fact that the respondent has used for most of his life in Somerville Massachusetts, Chicago, Illinois and currently in the White House SSN XXX-XX-4425, which was issued in the state of Connecticut between 1976-1979 and assigned to an individual born in 1890, who would have been 120 years old, if he would be alive today. Respondent never resided in the state of Connecticut and he is clearly not 120 years old.”
This birth certificate as been floating around (and filed as evidence) for a year-and-a-half. The latest developments strongly suggest that the document is real (something that I have suspected all along).
Considering that all judges, government employees, congressmen and women, law enforcement officials, and military personnel take an oath, swear to support and defend the US Constitution, their allegiance is to the Constitution and they would not have their job if they had not taken the oath. The president also is required to take such an oath, but we all know the story of the January 20, 2009 flubbed oath.
Here is a Kenyan long-form Birth Certificate, which appears valid. Lucas Daniel Smith has: 1) publicized the document on eBay; 2) filed a sworn affidavit with a federal court that it is real; and now 3) sent a copy to each and every member of Congress. Lucas Daniel Smith is either insane as he could face felony convictions, or the document is real.
This is simply another piece of evidence that Obama/Soetoro obtained the office by fraud, assisted by backers of a coup d’tat. This is perhaps the strongest or best evidence since it avoids the complications of debate over the meaning of “Natural Born Citizen,” which seems too complicated for much of the dumbed-down public to understand. He was born in Kenya to a Kenyan father and an under-age (for citizenship purposes) mother. There is no valid argument that he is a Natural Born Citizen, which, under the Constitution makes every action he took since his fake “swearing in” null and void.
This is not politics, it is law. The case boils down to a simple dichotomy. Either we are a republic under the Constitution, as all those oaths attest, or we are a dictatorship. People have a choice: rule of law or dictatorship, there is no other option. My personal opinion is that if you choose dictatorship over the Constitution, you and your family and friends will pay a heavy and horrid price over the coming near future.
This is why he is hiding all records containing his birth. Let’s see if Congress will act on behalf of the American People. The crooks who OK’ed his birth records in Congress and Supreme Court should be tossed in jail for crimes against the American People.
If the Kenyan government has NOTHING to hide, why are they hiding it?
Someone in this very long comments section asked about Kenyan officials seizing records from the hospital in Kenya. That was reported by WND here, in the same piece in which Smith’s Kenyan BC is debunked.
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=108005
Moreover, WND sources reported it is unlikely any 1961 birth certificate for President Obama will ever be found at Coast Provincial Hospital in Mombasa, even if one originally existed.
Administrators and doctors at the hospital told WND sources that in 2004 a high-level team of Kenya’s National Security Intelligence Service came to the hospital and seized all files containing birth certificate documents from the years 1960 through 1963.
According to the hospital administrators and doctors interviewed at the hospital, it was not until four months later that Kenya’s National Security Intelligence Service returned the seized files to the hospital.
——————–
Mrs. Rondeau replies: That in and of itself could be telling. It would depend on when the records were allegedly returned to the hospital.
When WND, however, pressed Smith to offer any evidence of the document’s validity – a birth certificate number, a photo of the embossed seal on the alleged document, anything – Smith balked.
“I’m going to have to meet with my attorney before we can go any further,” Smith told WND in a phone interview. “I’d rather have a middle man go between WorldNetDaily and myself.”
Smith did then authorize a public relations agent to speak on his behalf and hire an attorney, but after several unsuccessful attempts to get Smith to offer any proof of the document’s authenticity, the agent has since withdrawn his representation, fearing that the alleged birth certificate sale may have merely been a money-grabbing fraud.
(snip)
“Smith has broken promise after promise to deliver on his claims,” Boyer told WND.
“On Sunday, July 19, it had been five days without a response from Smith, after a number of attempts had been made to contact him by email and phone messages,” Boyer said. “Smith may be stalling for time as he attempts to sell whatever he may have privately through contacts that he told me he was able to develop while advertizing on eBay. Consequently, [Smith’s attorney] and I agreed to withdraw our representation of Smith, and he has been notified by email to that effect.”
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=104495
Auntie Madder – WND’s ‘debunking’ of Lucas’ document is a ridiculously poor attempt – and Lucas has responded to EVERY allegation WND has made about his document in subsequent videos.
WND is comparing a GOVERNMENT BC to Lucas’ HOSPITAL BC. WND claimed the Hospital did not exist by the name ‘Coast Province General Hospital’ until AFTER 1961. Lucas found a reference to Coast Province General Hospital in a pre-1961 official ‘Annual Report on the Colony and Protectorate of Kenya’ – thus disproving another WND allegation.
Visit Lucas’ YouTube site (user (Inspector Smith) and watch his videos before you throw too much confidence behind WND’s ‘debunking’.
DGroundhog,
WND’s debunking may be horrible and, therefore, irrelevant. (Please notice that WND’s debunking of Smith’s document is not in the text I copied from the article.) What is relevant is that WND has made the growing list of those whose offers to have the document authenticated have been declined by Smith. Further, Smith’s refusal to date to allow anyone to authenticate the document or even put him in touch with someone who can do so, and what look to be disappearing acts when it’s time to put up or shut up are just as relevant, if not more so.
In 2004 most of the world, including the U.S.A. was still proudly proclaiming Obama to be Kenyan born. Would these records been have been tampered with in 2004 just to remove evidence in a hospital that was no doubt proud Obama was born there, as is the entire country of Kenya? If these particular records really were stolen…and 4 months later returned, how can we know Obama’s BC was not also returned?
I think WND was afraid they were about to be scooped on the biggest money maker in their existence.
If the records were confiscated in order to hide something, then whatever was to be hidden wouldn’t have been returned with the others.
Thinking further about this, however, I wonder if it was Oilbama’s records that Kenya’s National Security Intelligence Service were after. It seems that Oilbama’s Kenyan birth was still an unhidden fact in 2004, as is evidenced by the article in the June 27, 2004 Standard.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/22046837/Kenya-The-Standard-Online-Edition-2004-06-27-issue-Kenyan-born-Obama
On the other hand, maybe being elected to the US Senate via dirty politics was an indicator to his handlers that the White House could be the next stop, that it was, indeed, possible. But some loose ends had to be tied up first, and one of those loose ends was Oilbama’s foreign birth. Come to think of it, I don’t recall any news articles published after 2004 that mention his Kenyan birth that weren’t quickly edited or at least converged upon by Oilbama’s flying monkeys.
It’s a shame that this true and accurate birth certificate simply won’t be believed by the “sheeple” because of its source.
This is the wost thing that could have happened to the eligibility movement. Why, Oh Why, couldn’t God have made someone else find this before Lucas Smith did????
Lucas Daniel Smith does indeed have a criminal record. He has been convicted of two Class D felonies and one “serious misdemeanor.”
Name Lucas Daniel Smith
Offender Number 1117239
Sex M
Birth Date 01/04/1980
Age 29
Location
Offense
County Of Commitment
Commitment Date
Duration
TDD/SDD *
* TDD = Tentative Discharge Date
* SDD = Supervision Discharge Date
Supervision Status Offense Class County of Commitment End Date
Prison D Felony Linn 12/25/2002
Supervision Status Offense Class County of Commitment End Date
Probation D Felony Linn 08/18/2000
Supervision Status Offense Class County of Commitment End Date
Probation Serious Misdemeanor Linn 03/10/2000
The information can be verified by going here and entering his name:
http://www.doc.state.ia.us/OffenderInfo.asp
Elsewhere it has been reported that Smith once offered to donate a kidney to a young man who was in need of a transplant. At the last minute Smith demanded to be paid for his kidney, and of course it is illegal to pay for transplant organs. When payment was refused, Smith withdrew his offer.
http://blog.syracuse.com/news/2008/0…iece_0116.html
When Obots claim we shouldn’t buy this birth Certificate because it comes from a convicted forger, I reply “yes, but he was not convicted of forging THIS particular document, so what else do you got?”
It ususlly shuts the Obots up.
Passing a few bad checks hardly gives a person the skill set required to create a forged Kenyan BC.
I agree, I have seen nothing that debunks LDS Obama Kenyan BC yet……mostly just attacks on Smith.
Proof of nothing I suppose…but wouldn’d you know it, there is a published link on an African website that puts the attending doctor on LDS Obama , Jame Ang’awa living in the same neighborhood as …Barack Obama Sr.
Here’s an excerpt:
“The family lived in high-class government quarters in Upper Hill. Among their neighbours were Dr Njoroge Mungai, former President Kenyatta’s personal physician, President Kibaki, who was then minister for Finance and the late Barack Obama Sr, father of American President Barack Obama.”
The doctor was murdered in 1970.
The website:
http://allafrica.com/stories/201002010485.html
Freerepublic .com owner, Jim Robinson, has been forced to allow another Lucas Smith thread at freerepublic!
Faced with mutiny at Freerepublic Jim Robinson has personally allowed a thread to run that was started this afternoon by a Freeper by the screen name of “surfer”. The thread is entitled:
“Why are stories about Lucas Daniel Smith being yanked?”
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2584691/posts
And the following information is listed below the title:
“Why do these articles keep getting banned and deleted on FR?
“I don’t understand how this breaks any of the rules here…have our moderators been inflitrated with Progressives, Marxists?
“Is FR seeing its final days?”
This thread that was started this afternoon at 4:14 PM, Tuesday, September 7th, and I am proud to say that the thread is running strong!
Obama supporters are out in full effect on the thread. Rather than discussing the recent letter to congress by Lucas Smith the thread is a death match between patriots and the Obama supporters that now control Freerepublic.com.
Rather than discussing the facts about the Kenyan birth certificate and letters to congress the thread is full of personal attacks on Lucas Smith.
Most notable of all is the fact that an infamous Admin Moderator at FR has come out and admitted that she, “Jean”, has been “zotting” Lucas Smith supporters because she doesn’t like the fact that Lucas Smith sold his kidney!
Jim Robinson, Freerepublic.com owner, personally “zotted” Lucas Smith a few months ago. Today Jim was asked if he would allow Lucas Smith to return so that Lucas could defend himself on this new thread. Jim’s answer was NO.
Not only that – but FR is flat out LYING about the circumstances that led to Lucas Smith’s banning. They are claiming Lucas was NOT baited, Lucas was NOT attacked, and that Lucas just ‘all of a suddden’ started to attack people in the thread.
That is 100% false – and the folks at FR know it. Lucas was constantly attacked and did an admirable job of repeating the answer to the same silly questions asked of him dozens and dozens of times.
After being called numerous offensive names and being badgered endlessly Lucas did respond in a somewhat less than civil manner to a poster or 2 – but it was nothing more severe than what he had just been subjected to in hundreds of posts by the Obots at FR (who are STILL free to post there).
I still think the community of posters at FR are an impressive group that are second to none in group analysis. Their moderators and Jim Robinson himself are far from worthy of the community that frequent the site.
A bout a month ago I posted a comment on Smith’s “Youtube” page; simply inquiring as to when we might see some documentation of his adventures in Africa…Later that day when Smith logged in to his account, he immediately obliterated my post, had me excoriated, then bizarrely launched into a spiel regarding his unwavering support for “free speech”. I don’t know about the authenticity of this piece of paper he’s waving around but I do know that the man is unbalanced.
He also had promised to fill us in on the details of his days long detention by authorities in Miami Fl which interrupted one of his frequent jaunts to his hut on an island in the Caribbean This encounter with law enforcement involved, according to him, the confiscation of his beloved “BC” I haven’t heard another word of this incident although he promised to produce another video showing that the HOLY GRAIL was still intact Smith’s most devoted followers either run interference for their King or neglect to call the man on his many contradictory statements. The whole thing is very strange
I am “surfer” on FR and I would hardly call what I did a “mutiny”. I just want all the facts allowed to be presented (regardless of who is presenting them) on this BC issue.
We are living in historic times and I believe there are legitimate and serious questions surrounding this topic and eventually (God-willing) the truth will come out.
In regard to Jim – I know him personally and have known him for years and consider him a friend and an American Patriot. Thank God for Jim Robinson.
He isn’t going to please everyone but I think if you make a sound case to Jim at least he will hear you – ultimately his final decision is his own.
I don’t know anything about Lucas Smith I just hope he is telling the truth.
Sharon~ Great work on the piece! Thanks to Lucas for getting us all thinking! A discussion thread opened covering this issue~ http://www.wtpotus.wordpress.com “Will Congress Investigate Obama’s Eligibility Now?”
So sorry Soebarkah…. :{
Great read, Sharon!
Lucas certainly has an interesting document. It’s been out for over a year now and nobody has been able to debunk it. In fact, they haven’t even come close.
It seems even allegedly ‘right leaning’ places like FreeRepublic are afraid of this document. The lead coward (Jim Robinson) at FR has instructed his mindless stooge moderators to delete all references to this CPGH BC.
Generally – FR is a place where forgeries and fakes are debunked in short order. They examined Lucas’ document and came up empty.
As this story has gained more attention it appears Jim Robinson has become afraid of it. He is plugging his websites ears and closing FR’s eyes to the CPGH BC.
Not sure why he is so fearful of Lucas’ document – but he is definitely shaking in his boots every time it gets mentioned and deleting any post regarding the CPGH BC. If you defend Lucas Smith – he will probably delete you.
Free Republic really has some issues of their own to work out. They have banned people for supporting Rudy Giuliani and many other reasons just as silly.
Jim Robinson is really a small and insecure man.
DGroundhog, although I see your point and can understand your concern a couple of things.
1) It is Jim’s site and he can do whatever he pleases.
2) Jim is not a small and insecure man. He is a disabled vet who put himself in the cross-hairs long before many other even dared. Moderation I am sure is a nightmare over there but I would suggest you look at the entirety of the man and not just a few things you happen to disagree with.
Jim has been putting up the good fight for many years and we should all be thankful that a site like FR has existed…until recently it was one of a very small handful accessible sites that supported conservative ideas and supported the US Constitution.
In fact Sharon you might consider doing an interview with FR to get their insight on this long protracted battle they have been in trying to save this country.
Surfer, I agree he can do whatever he wants with his site – but if he chooses to ban people on highly questionable grounds then he is also subject to criticism over those decisions. There have been many ‘purges’ at FR over the years that has led many folks to leave the site. Sean Hannity left as a result of one of those purges. He purged Rudy supporters for simply supporting Rudy. He is open to criticism over those decisions.
Jim Robinson IS a small and insecure man. Being a disabled vet has nothing to do with it. He is insecure in his beliefs and often purges those who do not agree with his views. He is a petty man who is unable to admit when he has made a mistake.
I respect his service and sacrifice – but that doesn’t absolve him from all form of criticism for eternity.
They say they have debunked Smith’s Obama BC….but when you look at what they are really saying, it’s not debunking anything.
Even if someone with a squeaky clean background like me should acquire a birth certificate that was foreign, and said to belong to Obama, it would of course be immediately debunked, but it wouldn’t necessarily have anything to do with whether the BC was real…or not.
It can only be debunked by independent, unbiased forensic experts…….and that ain’t happened. The effort is to “debunk” it enough so a real investigation of its validity never happens.
The voice of reason. I get encouraged when I read all the comments on this thread. There are some really intelligent bloggers that are fighting this battle along with people like Lucas who, although none of us know anything about, has earned the right to be taken seriously.
Mr. Lucas,
It is by far and wide that I commend you, your efforts and American Patriot.
Devotion is an absolute assurance of resistance, regardless of paradigm.
To critize, finding or attempting to find a fault within your affidavit, risking prison sentence if falsified, is beyond comprehension for many, but not me.
Those that post judgement and scrutiny without facts are a novelty compared too…
Are you willing and have you risked going to prison lately?
Thanks for the work getting the real birth certificate, which at least throws into the ring the confusion and chaos Obama has created with everything, including his own birth. As for organ sales, since it can lead to murder of innocent people to buy or sell spare parts, it is not such a good idea. Death is not the end, and using elaborate means to stay here, that would put at risk innocent people, is not a long-term good idea. While it might be voluntary donation on the part of some, it would be involuntary donation or donation under duress by others. Anyhow….Obama looks pretty much out of office, both by his father, and now his birth certificate seems a total hoax too. Amazing. He must be wondering how long his charade can continue and what surprise will come enxt. It sure does not lead to a restful sleep. I pray for him and Michelle to come to their senses and peacefully step down.
Sharon
I was the person who posted excerpts of your article @ FR ..After 1 hr it was pulled.
ebysan
This is an excerpt.
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The Post & Email ^ | Sept. 5th, 2010 | Sharon Rondeau
Posted on September 6, 2010 6:05:31 PM PDT by ebysan
“Lucas Smith”, informs all members of the House and Senate Obama Kenyan Birth Certificate is the real deal. Refutes many claims of forgery.
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Lucas Daniel Smith has just completed a mailing to each member of Congress a copy of a document which he stated is a certified copy of the original birth certificate of Barack Hussein Obama II showing that Obama was born in Kenya, Africa. Each birth certificate copy was sent with a seven-page, individually-notarized letter by certified mail. The project was completed on August 31, 2010. Smith said that he obtained the document from the Coast Province General Hospital in Mombasa, Kenya in February 2009. The document became part of a lawsuit filed by Dr. Orly Taitz, Esq., in California which was denied a hearing in October 2009 by Judge David O. Carter. Mr. Smith’s declaration to the court, taken under oath, is here. A video produced by “On Second Thought” TV following one of the preliminary court hearings last summer depicts Mr. Smith discussing some of the details of the document is here. A video which Mr. Smith produced himself showing close-ups of the document details is here. In an interview with the Christian News Review on July 13, 2010, Mr. Smith described his background as a sociologist studying in Africa, how he obtained the document from Coast Province General Hospital, the cost, and the military and police presence there.
DOCUMENT ALLEGEDLY OBTAINED IN KENYA SENT TO EVERY MEMBER OF CONGRESS by Sharon Rondeau
Lucas Smith found this map of Kenya and East Africa while conducting research at the Powell Library at UCLA in September 2009. This map is significant in that it labels the coast of the Kenya Colony as being the Kenya Protectorate.”Source: 1926 Encyclopedia Britannica supplement to the 1922 edition (Sept. 5, 2010) — Lucas Daniel Smith has just completed a mailing to each member of Congress a copy of a document which he stated is a certified copy of the original birth certificate of Barack Hussein Obama II showing that Obama was born in Kenya, Africa. Each birth certificate copy was sent with a seven-page, individually-notarized letter by certified mail. The project was completed on August 31, 2010. Smith said that he obtained the document from the Coast Province General Hospital in Mombasa, Kenya in February 2009. The document became part of a lawsuit filed by Dr. Orly Taitz, Esq., in California which was denied a hearing in October 2009 by Judge David O. Carter. Mr. Smith’s declaration to the court, taken under oath, is here. A video produced by “On Second Thought” TV following one of the preliminary court hearings last summer depicts Mr. Smith discussing some of the details of the document is here. A video which Mr. Smith produced himself showing close-ups of the document details is here. In an interview with the Christian News Review on July 13, 2010, Mr. Smith described his background as a sociologist studying in Africa, how he obtained the document from Coast Province General Hospital, the cost, and the military and police presence there. A second interview with Steve Cooper of The Conservative Monster from August 18, 2010 can be found here. The Post & Email had previously reported that the spelling of “Mombasa” had been “Mombassa” in 1961, but Mr. Smith has refuted that statement. Indeed, this writer has performed a five-page search using the words “history of Mombasa, Kenya,” and found no evidence of its being spelled “Mombassa.” Page 635 of the Encyclopedia Britannica (pictured below) utilized by Smith for his research on the history of Kenya also refers to the port city as “Mombasa.” However, one website which has been following the Obama eligibility controversy incorrectly reports the spelling on the document as “Mombassa.” Kenya obtained its independence from Great Britain in 1963. The document which Mr. Smith has reported is a certified copy of the original birth certificate appears below:
Document allegedly obtained from the Coast Province General Hospital on February 19, 2009 by Lucas Smith The Post & Email asked Mr. Smith a number of questions regarding his travels to Africa, how he obtained the document, and his decision to send it to every member of Congress, a project which was completed on August 31, 2010. Our questions are in bold.
1. Would you be willing to send The Post & Email anything that proves your travel to Kenya (or whatever country was your first destination in Africa) before you accessed the personnel at the Mombasa hospital (the stub of an airline ticket, hotel receipt, etc.)? Do you have anything that shows when you re-entered the U.S. from Kenya after you obtained the document?
I have a plethora of documentation which puts me in the following countries in February of 2009: Democratic Republic of the Congo, The People’s Republic of the Congo, Uganda and Kenya. I will provide this documentation in person to both Congress and attorneys. I will not distribute electronic copies of this documentation until the documentation has been reviewed by members of Congress or disclosed during Congressional investigations/hearings or entered in as evidence in eligibility litigation here in the United States or the United Kingdom.
2. How long were you in Kenya before you approached hospital personnel about obtaining Obama’s record? Less than 10 days.
3. What convinces you that the document you have in your possession is a copy of his original hospital record? Is there any chance someone gave you a fake document and passed it off as real?
I have been analyzing Barack Obama’s Kenyan CPGH hospital birth certificate for more than one year. This document has withstood the test of time. It has never been discredited. On February 19, 2009 I personally entered Coast Province General Hospital under the guise that I was looking for my sister that had fallen ill while she was working Kenya. It wasn’t until I was inside of the hospital and face to face with administrative staff that I mentioned anything regarding my desire to procure (or purloin) a certified copy of Barack Obama’s original birth record. The significance of the guise was to eliminate any possibility that the hospital’s staff (seeing dollar signs) would be “waiting” for me with a forged or fake document. 4. How long did it take for hospital personnel to procure the document once you approached them about it (e.g., did it occur over a matter of weeks, or did you simply approach them one day, offer them money, and they got the document out of the files)?
On February 19th I personally entered Coast Province General Hospital in Mombasa, Kenya. While inside of the hospital I presented a member of the hospital’s administrative staff with $5000 US dollars, cash. I set the money down in front of them and told them that the money was theirs if they could bring me a certified copy of US President Barack Obama’s original hospital birth record. I stipulated that I was only allotting a small window of time for the staff member to fetch me the document. This member of the administrative staff returned, within the allotted time, with the certified copy of Obama’s original hospital birth record. I am not, at this time, disclosing to the public the specific time allotment. However, I can tell you that the time allotment was less than 45 minutes. The significance of the time allotment was to eliminate any possibility that the hospital’s staff (again seeing dollar signs) would have sufficient time to create a forged or fake document.
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ebysan, Mrs. Rondeau,
Since I originally was one of the first who tried to post your interview with Mr. Smith on Free Republic on Sunday, Sept. 5, 2010, and it was subsequently removed, I have had a number of little vignettes to relate regarding the 5 or 6 posters who have tried unsuccessfully post on FR. My most recent e-mail was directly from Jim Robinson this afternoon, and it will answer all our questions regarding the alleged censorship they are practicing over there. This e-nail was succinct and I quote:
“From: Jim Robinson
Date: 9/7/2010 3:42:48 PM
To: Dick xxxxx
Subject: Re: Your selective editing of posts
Hint: Smith is not welcome on FR.
Jim
With that thought in mind, anyone here who wants to post a thread or two at FR, it has now become a “crap-shoot”. Be well advised………
It seems that some FR people including the moderators think that Smith is a fraud. Sharon, do you have any insight on the subject?
I also started a thread to discuss this article or the reasons on why it was yanked. You might want to comment out there.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2584691/posts
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Mrs. Rondeau replies: The Post & Email investigates all credible leads and follows them through to the end. Time will tell.
Just to clarify, my last comment was not intended in any way to diminish the significance of the Kenyan birth certificate or the value of the work Lucas Smith has done. Lucas may turn out to be one of the greatest heroes of this historic saga.
My perspective is that Barack Obama was put into office as a result of a massive conspiracy by people whose underlying motivation and identities are not yet fully clear. However, I believe it is becoming increasingly clear to all of us that the agenda of the people behind Obama, who made it possible for him to be “elected”, is distinctly aligned with the goals of the Communist Party of the United States (CPUSA). These goals were published in the record of the U.S. House of Representatives in 1963. The CPUSA goals which were not previously accomplished are being rapidly accomplished by the Obama administration.
http://www.uhuh.com/nwo/communism/comgoals.htm#Documention
I was concerned about Barack Obama from the first day I heard of him. The earliest information I learned of this man was in connection with the Larry Sinclair story regarding allegations of relatively recent drug use and other matters with which most of you most of you are familiar. I was alarmed by these reports, and while not taking them at face value, I decided to look further. I read several books, including Obama’s own “autobiography” titled “Dreams from My Father”, and became further alarmed. Then the “Certification of Live Birth” appeared with all the controversy that generated.
At that point, I was not only unable to support Obama, I felt compelled by my oath of office as a former naval officer to “support and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic”, to actively work to keep Barack Obama from gaining access to the White House based on my belief that an Obama presidency would represent an unprecedented and extremely grave risk to the Constitution and to the national security of the United States of America.
Here is an excerpt from my affidavit provided to the appellant’s attorney in the case Barnett et al v. Obama:
“I am a college graduate with a B.S degree in engineering and an MBA degree in finance/accounting. I am a Vietnam veteran, having served in the U.S. Navy as a naval aviator. I am retired from the U.S. Naval Reserve with the rank of Commander USNR. I am also a retired Trans World Airlines captain with 32 years of service in both domestic and international flying. I am not, and never have been, a member of any political party. I have never been charged with, or convicted of, any violation of law other than minor traffic violations.
While on active duty in the U.S. Navy and while in the Naval Reserve, I held a Top Secret security clearance. I am very conscious of issues relating to background and behavior which have implications in connection with obtaining and maintaining a security clearance for access to classified material.
In early 2008, when I became aware of certain facts indicating that there were significant problems relating to the documentation of the constitutional eligibility of presidential candidate Barack Obama, I began investigating the background of this person, including reading the autobiographical book allegedly authored by Mr. Obama titled “Dreams from My Father”.
As I learned more about Mr. Obama, I became increasingly concerned that this candidate’s background was not suitable for the office of president of the United States for reasons unrelated to race or political affiliation. Rather, I felt that the election of Mr. Obama would jeopardize the national security interests of the United States.
The specific concerns I had about Mr. Obama were primarily four in number: (1) the only publicly available documentation of Mr. Obama’s citizenship was a digital image posted on the internet of a document allegedly issued by the State of Hawaii, called a “Certification of Live Birth”, which did not look like a birth certificate, and which a professional analyst had determined was a forged document; (2) I considered reports of recent heavy drug use by Mr. Obama, together with his own admission of drug use in his youth, extremely alarming; (3) I considered Obama’s self-described attraction to Marxist/Communist ideas, together with his life-long associations with numerous radical leftists and members of the Communist Party, as extremely alarming and disqualifying on their own; (4) I felt that Mr. Obama was unacceptably deficient in experience and accomplishment; that his record, both as an Illinois state senator and a U.S. senator, was singularly undistinguished; and that he had engaged in inappropriate (and probably illegal) involvement in the internal affairs of a foreign nation (Kenya) while serving as a U.S. senator.”
Everything that has happened since the 2008 presidential election has confirmed my worst fears regarding Obama. What has utterly shocked me is the incredible and stunning co-operation which Obama has received from the press, the Congress, the courts, the Justice Department, and the highest levels of the Department of Defense, to allow his usurpation of the presidency to proceed.
I tried to inform friends and family of my serious concerns, but I was almost universally ridiculed and even shunned by long-time friends, some of whom are U.S. Naval Academy graduates. .
While it is difficult to accept that our fellow citizens serving in Congress, the courts, and various Executive Branch agencies (including in high positions in the Department of Defense), and many of whom are nominal Republicans, may actually be enabling the efforts of the CPUSA to destroy the American constitutional republic, that seems to be the case.
Given this conclusion and the overwhelming evidence that the man these conspirators put into the White House is not eligible to be there, the immediate requirement to stall the attack on our nation is to deal first with the ineligible and fraudulent president.
I have been convinced by the learned constitutional scholarship and meticulous research of Attorneys Mario Apuzzo and Leo Donofrio that the “natural born citizen” requirement set forth in Article II of the United States Constitution means, as defined by Emerich de Vattel in “The Law of Nations,” “born in the country of parents who are citizens”. (I believe that Vattel provides an exception regarding the first requirement in the case of “children born out of the country in the armies of the state” that covered John McCain.)
This means that there are TWO independent conditions which must exist to satisfy the NBC requirement to serve as president or vice-president, and for which, by implication, the people have a right of verification and substantiation:
1) the person elected to the office of president must have been born in the United States (subject to the single exception stated above); and
2) the person elected to the office of president must have been born of parents who are BOTH citizens of the United States at his or her birth.
Both of these conditions are equally important. However, a Supreme Court decision in one case (Minor v. Happersett, 88 U.S. 162, 1874 par 9) at http://www.gunnewsdaily.com/images/PDFs/7522834-Minor-v-Happersett-88-US-162-1874.pdf has introduced enough ambiguity with the following words that Apuzzo and Donofrio believe the matter must be finally resolved by the U.S. Supreme Court:
“…it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first. For the purposes of this case it is not necessary to solve these doubts.”
I read that passage to say that the “natural born citizen” class is defined, without doubt, by the Constitution; but that the doubts referred to by the Court apply only to children born in the country without reference to the citizenship of their parents, and with respect only to the status of these children as citizens, but not implying that they might be natural born citizens. However, the attorneys believe that the matter needs further clarification by the Supreme Court.
Therefore, it seems to me that the surest and quickest way to establish a lack of eligibility of a certain person to serve in the office of president or vice-president where a foreign birth is possible or suspected is to verify the location of the birth of that person by means of an examination of the related birth certificate.
This is where the purported Kenyan birth certificate in the possession of Lucas Smith assumes critical importance. If this document is valid, then Obama is clearly and unequivocally ineligible to serve in the office of president, and he must be removed. On the other hand, if it can be proven that he was actually born in Hawaii as he claims, then the parental citizenship issue must be resolved. This is why it is so important to get the matter of the legally-admissible documentation of Obama’s birth location resolved promptly.
It is without doubt the responsibility of Obama himself to provide this documentation. His refusal to do so is not only absolutely unprecedented – it is an outrage against the American people, and itself creates a mandate for a judicially-ordered resolution of this matter, including a forensic examination of the Lucas Smith document if a valid Hawaiian birth certificate is not produced.
If this governmental action is not demanded by the American people, and if the law does not provide a remedy to the denial of a vested legal right of the people to have a constitutionally-qualified president, then this government is no longer a “a government of laws, and not of men”.
Longtime supporters of Lucas Smith all know that Freerepublic.com no longer allows threads to be posted regarding Lucas Smith or the CPGH 1961 Kenyan Obama birth certificate.
It is a fact that several Freepers have been banned from Freerepublic when posting comments in support of Lucas Smith or the CPGH document. Lucas Smith himself was banned sometime in believe in June.
Entire threads (some over 1000 comments in length) were subsequently removed by Freerepublic Admin Mod if the thread was in support of Lucas Smith or the CPGH.
There are still few older 2009 threads by Lucas Smith or threads which pertain to him and the CPGH document that the Admin Mods at FR have to taken down.
The following FReepers have been banned at FR for posting comments in support of Lucas Smith and the CPGH document:
dgrounghog
etraveler13
seizethecarp
theviking711
inspectorsmith
Any attempt to start a thread regarding Lucas Smith or the CPGH document will result in the thread being pulled by FR Admin Mods.
The FR Mods Admin MODs have sometimes posted the note of, “Lucas Smith and his enablers are now welcome at FR”
As a pure distraction from the eligibility issue itself, Mik Taerg points to an Obot anti-birther site as providing “the best supporting evidence of the Kenyan Bc’s authenticity.” That is so not true. The leftists’ favorite line of attack on any issue is ad hominem, argument against the man. They typically subordinate the issue at hand to personal attacks on their opponents.
Obama’s ineligibility and fraud is the issue here, not the personality traits of Lucas Smith. We can evaluate the face validity of Smith’s evidence even though he may or may not have this or that personal failing. What makes the ad hominen fallacy so easy to use is that no one has always been above reproach.
In Charles Lincoln’s court response re his and Orly’s alleged affair, he says “the emotional immaturity in the handling of their [his and Orly’s] personal lives” did not change the facts of the case before the court. Similarly, selected rumors or facts about Lucas Smith’s personal life, including his own “emotional immaturity” in the past, do not negate the value of the powerful evidence he has taken great pains to share with the world. His Letter to Congress project is entirely worthy of admiration.
In Charles Lincoln’s court response re his and Orly’s alleged affair, he says “the emotional immaturity in the handling of their [his and Orly’s] personal lives” did not change the facts of the case before the court.
Lincoln never would have had to defend himself to the court regarding this had Smith, out of anger at Taitz, not voluntarily told the court that Taitz and Lincoln were involved in an affair. Smith was perfectly willing to give the case to Oilbama just to throw the case for Taitz. This is an example of how and why Smith’s personal immaturity does matter.
Not true.
Smith’s affidavit under penalty of perjury said Taitz asked him to lie to the court and claim he was also the source of the “Bomford” BC. Larry Sinclair said Taitz also asked him to lie to the court in an affidavit to the court.
Smith said he refused to fight Obama lies with Orly lies.
The Taitz-Lincoln affair had nothing to do with it.
Judge Carter admonished Taitz from the bench regarding his concern over these statements from her own witnesses!
A relentless troll with a vendetta against Smith (Mik Taerg) and the anti-birther supporters of the troll will claim that Maganga’s name was misspelled or that he wasn’t the Chief Administrator on February 19, 2009, but neither of those two claims by the troll and troll supporters has been proved.
Yes, there are newspaper inconsistencies regarding the spelling and start date for Maganga, but that proves nothing.
My own review of the newspaper stories about CPGH in Kenya show that the prior administrator, the one before Maganga, was accused of turning a blind eye to corruption in the hospital in late 2008 (doctors demanding bribes to treat patients while she did nothing) and was clearly on the way out. When the transition from her to Maganga occurred has never been properly investigated or proved. Newspaper stories don’t count (If you have ever been personally involved in a newspaper story, you know what I mean).
It is also not clear who and what a “Chief Administrator” is at CPGH and that title may have been held by each of the many department heads.
Bottom line is that while many questions can be raised regarding features of the CPGH BC, none of the features have been conclusively debunked and in my view cannot be verified or debunked unless unfettered access to documents and witnesses is allowed in Kenya and that is being blocked.
Why is investigation of the CPGH BC being blocked? If BHO II was not born in Kenya, there would be nothing for Kenya authorities to hide.
As usual the debunkers have been debunked by Lucas Smith’ research & facts. God bless him.
It is an absolute fact that no President has ever refused to produce an original or certified BC, when requested, and none has ever spent over 1 million dollars in legal fees to prevent anyone from seeing his BC. Also, what speaks louder than almost anything is the fact that Obama himself issued his very first Executive Order 13489-Presidential Records, on 1-21-2009, his first act after taking office.
Every single citizen should go to the Federal Register under Monday, January 26, 2009, Part VIII, and read it. Obama stressed the effect of his own order on the Archivist of the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA). Under Sec. 2., it deals with any “Notice of Intent to Disclose Presidential Records.” Any request from any source must be sent by the …Archivist to the”…incumubent President…and Attorney General…” No records are to be released without the NARA first sending all notices to the above two top individuals, and/or “Counsel to the President.” The President and AG have 30 days to consider any request, Sec. 3., (d) says “If the President decides to invoke executive privilege, the Counsel to the President shall notify…the Archivist, and the AG…After receiving such notice, the Archivist SHALL NOT DISCLOSE THE PRIVILEGED RECORDS unless directed to do so by an incumbent President or by a final court order.”
“Final court order” is defined under Sec. 1., (h) as an order “from which no appeal may be taken.” (Comment: like the US SUPREME COURT)
Any citizen with just the most basic common sense, would ask why would a newly sworn in President immediately issue an Excecutive Order that clearly had been carefully prepared well in advance of his swearing in, and that is specifically designed to prevent almost everyone from getting a copy of any of his records that HE DECIDES ARE PRIVILEGED. It is submitted that only someone with the specific intent to conceal his past would issue such a FIRST ORDER. I can find no other President that issued such an Order as their first executive act, immediately after taking office. That says it all. The most basic facts are usually the most revealing and compelling.
That’s not true. There have been several presidents in US history that woudn’t qualify for POTUS under specific articles of the law. The thing is, most people don’t care about minute details like that. Obama should be impeached for the flagrant and consistent violations of UN charters and international law. But then again every president of the 20th and 21st century – EVERY ONE OF THEM – has made egregious violations worthy of impeachment.
Who are the “several presidents” who did not qualify to be President? The only one I know is Chester Arthur (born in VT to an American mother and Irish-citizen father). However, no one in 1880 knew about Chester’s father’s non-US citizen status at the time of Chester’s birth.
Sharon, I think you should contact FR. This article is now posted there, but when you click on the link, it says that this site cannot be found. Someone over there is still playing games.
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Mrs. Rondeau replies: Could someone provide a link to the appropriate page? I know that site is huge!
http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/naturalborncitizen/index
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Mrs. Rondeau replies: They have other stories from The Post & Email, so if someone tried to post the Lucas Smith interview, I don’t see why it wasn’t allowed.
Kathy, Mrs. Rondeau,
I saw that posting last night too. This morning, I tried to locate it….. I ran a “reverse” check of every post from Sunday morning Sept. 6, 2010 through noon yesterday, Sept. 6, 2010 and am unable to find it. I believe it also has been excised. I no longer visit Free Republic and have sent an e-mail to Jim regarding this matter.
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Mrs. Rondeau replies: Thank you for that explanation. Just think of what they’re missing over there!
Please see:
“Why are stories about Lucas Daniel Smith being yanked?”
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2584691/posts?q=1&;page=1
Jim Robinson and his mods have allowed this new thread to stay up on FR that complained about your interview with Lucas Smith being pulled. Robinson and his mods are trying to defend pulling the threads on Smith based on their (unproved in my view) conclusion that Lucas is a con-man, but they are getting a lot of push back.
I, myself, was “zotted” off of Free Republic for “enabling” Lucas by posting his interview on Christian Radio despite the fact that I have always maintained that I am only investigating Smith and his CPGH BC and not claiming it is authentic.
I believe the CPGH BC has never been conclusively debunked and deserves widespread discussion and investigation. I am a retired CPA and CFE (Certified Fraud Examiner).
The thread that was working has now been pulled just like all the rest of the threads that were started on this topic:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2584253/posts#comment
I suspect that Free Republic has possibly been corrupted by the influence of large and ongoing donations from Obots and/or their organizations’ war chests. There are several blatant Obama supporters there who are able to post day and night in an attempt to ridicule, counter or derail any particularly effective “birther” threads that come up. They seem to spend way too much time there to have regular jobs and they never seem to be banned for their Alinsky tactics or politics (FR generally only allows conservatives of a particular stripe to post there – everyone else gets tossed – this bias is even stated on their policy page).
Maybe a longtime FR member in good standing should send the site owner, Jim Robertson, an email to specifically bring this to his attention and ask what is going on. Since he has a large group of moderators who could be individually responsible for the sabotage, he simply may not be aware of what is going on (hope that is it).
Sharon
I am post #145 I sent the excerpt article to FR
Congressman Darrell Issa (R-CA) seems like he is a very honest Congressman who is trying to get to the bottom of the corruption in DC… Perhaps you need to contact him
Also, CongressmanTom McClintock (R-CA) is a very conservative Congressman who is a Constitutionalist … Perhaps you could contact him….. People in Congress need to know that
Lucas Smith is telling the truth !!
Good night everyone. I want to thank everyone here for exercising their fundamental right to freedom of speech here on this comments sections of this article.
This will be my last comment on this article.
I’m a man of character. I took the time to hand address each and every envelope to its Congressional recipient. That means something to me and should mean something to other individuals of character. I don’t expect everyone to understand. The Letter to Congress project wasn’t about sending off some cheap note to Congress which would be ignored or even worse, not noticed in the first place.
It’s very possible that members of US Congress don’t receive many hand addressed letters these days. I wanted the letter to stand out some, give some character to it. I wanted to let members of Congress know that this letter had been sent by a man that was willing to take the time to personally address the envelope; not just another “regular” letter that was 100% computer generated, cold, cheap, easy, speedy and void life. I wanted to let the Congress and the rest of the world know this Letter to Congress project meant something to me. I wasn’t going to let a computer spit out 539 (yes, I wrote to the Delegates as well, and two of the House seats are vacant) address labels so that I could go hurry back to watching cable television or catch up on the latest celebrity news. I’m not a weekend Patriot. Again, as I said before, I don’t expect everyone to understand. We can’t all be men of character.
I also wanted there to be no question that I myself sent these letters to Congress. This project was DESIGNED to convince Congress that they should take the letter seriously. My handwriting is on these letters, as well as the Certified Mail receipts, and now the whole world has a record of it. There is no room for me, or Congress, to wiggle out of this. We can all down load copies of the hand addressed envelopes and the hand addressed Certified Mail receipts and confront Congress with having been notified and informed. DON’T tell that doesn’t mean something.
I gather, from reading some of the comments here, that some of the people posting comments here have not even taken the time to read the read the 7 page letter that I sent to Congress. I understand that you may not have time read the letter because a sports game is on television or because you have to get back to watching the celebrity news at the MSM or you have some other form of entertainment that is more pressing and “fun”.
Let me state for the record that Mr Obama’s birth place is fundamental and of central importance here. I don’t care if Mr Obama’s other actions and policies are unconstitutional. EVERY US President, at one time or another (some more than others) have introduced unconstitutional political policies. Where were you when “King” George Bush was literally shredding the US Constitution to pieces for eight years? As matter of fact, I don’t recall too many US Presidents being removed from Office for introducing unconstitutional political policies or even for “stealing” elections.
THE ONLY THING THAT MATTERS here is whether or not Mr Obama is eligible to hold Office or not. I don’t care how “deep” the conspiracy goes. There would be no conspiracy in the first place if Mr Obama were eligible to hold Office. Can people get this fact through their heads, please?
DONT tell me that the birth certificate and actual birth place is not imperative and not significant when we are talking about a President being (or not being) eligible as a Natural Born Citizen to hold Office of President of the United States of America.
If the father’s (or mother’s) citizenship is fundamental in determining whether an individual is eligible to be President of the USA than why do we have US President in Office now that has ALWAYS been very proud to overtly admit that his father was born in the Kenya Colony and that his father never indeed never was a US Citizen. EVERYONE KNOWS that. And I’m tired of hearing this egregiously WEAK argument. What about all the babies born nowadays that don’t know who their father is? Are they eligible to hold office? What about artificial insemination? How do we know that the sperm donor was US Citizen?
However, if neither parent ( BOTH OF THEM) were US Citizens then I’d be right there in your corner maintaining the Mr Obama is not a natural born citizen. However, that’s not the case. The mother was a US Citizen and I don’t care how old she was. I’m almost disgusted to hear people making claims that an underage American born girl (born in the US of two citizen parents) was not old enough to pass on US citizenship. Give me a break.
Now, do I think that Obama’s father’s lack of US citizenship lends weight to the argument that a Kenyan born (or anywhere outside of US) individual is not a Natural Born Citizen??? Answer: Yes, it certainly does. I believe wholeheartedly that both factors (birth place and parents citizenship) should be utilized TOGETHER when challenging Mr Obama’s citizenship.
I’ve cited Johnny H. Killian and a SENATE PUBLICATION which Congress themselves published in the 1990s in which Johnny H Killian states within that, “This last requirement (natural-born citizen) raises the question of whether someone born to American parents outside of the United States would be eligible to hold the office”.
Do you hear that? Is that clear enough for you? Here we have a constitutional aficionado who advised all of Congress for more than 40 years.
Mr Killian (passed away in 2008) makes it very clear that EVEN WITH TWO US CITIZEN PARENTS that birth abroad of their child would raise the question of whether the child was a NBC and eligible to hold Office of President. Is anyone here (or anyone in the whole United States of America) attempting to make claims that they know better that Johnny H Killian??? I recommend that you think objectively before you make claims that you do.
Lastly, regarding organ sales. Yes, organ sales are illegal in the USA. But why should they be? Organ sales save lives. AND DO NOT attempt to tell me that organ “donations” save lives. Look up the statistics before you open your mouth or grab your keyboards. People don’t just go around giving away kidneys and livers or other organs everyday. There’s an immensely long waiting list for a kidney and other organs and most people die waiting for their number to be called.
And why should a person “donate” an organ? Are you telling me that I can sell my car but I can’t sell a piece of my own body? Are you telling me that I can sell my toilet, television and even my pet dog but not my kidney? Everyone else involved in an organ “donation” makes a profit. The doctor gets paid for it. The hospital gets paid for it. And certainly the organ recipient comes out a head with a life saving organ. So, why then, should the donor not be compensated? By the way, the organs from “living donors” are much more effective (and function for a much longer period of years) than those taken from a person that has just died and had their organs harvested. And also, in any event, there aren’t enough dead people with “free organs” to supply the waiting list of those individuals in need of a life saving organ. Thousands of people die every day while waiting for a life saving organ. Organ “sales” save lives.
In closing, I want everyone to know that I originally supported Obama for President. That was pre-election. July or August of 2008 was when I finally realized that neither Mr Obama nor McCain was the man for the job. Though at that point I still did not know that either of them was born abroad.
One of the things I liked about Obama was the fact that he supported research into, and further development of, LED healing techniques. Especially because it was to be used for help soldiers in the US Military.
I have a list (though not a terribly long one) of reasons why I originally supported Mr Obama.
If Mr Obama is eligible to serve as US President than so be it. I’m not shell of man like Glenn Beck that wants to pretend to be the new breed of civil rights activist in America. I almost get sick to my stomach even at the idea of Glenn Beck shopping himself as a civil right activist.
If Mr Obama is NOT eligible to serve as US President than he needs to be removed from Office.
I have his birth certificate which indicates that Mr Obama was born in Mombasa, British Protectorate of Kenya. Why is there (as there has been for the last 13 months) this intense and profound effort to silence this evidence or to discredit it and myself? People would rather make comments about the hat and shirts that I wear rather than discuss the birth certificate. It’s either that or I get the standard line about “the birth certificate doesn’t matter! it’s only the citizenship of the parents that matters here!”. Give me a break. That theory isn’t very effective in real world now is it? Mr Obama and the rest of the world are all very much aware of Mr Obama’s father’s lack of US citizenship.
If birth abroad is not significant when determining whether an individual is, or is not, a natural born citizen eligible told hold Office, then count me out of this effort to remove a President. I’m not one of the people that is “SEARCHING” for a method or strategy to remove Mr Obama from Office just because you don’t like the guys policies or the fact that he’s a covert muslim and communist or because he’s a member of the new world order.
EVERY single President that has ever governed this great country has, in fact, introduced unconstitutional and illegal policy. Today, Labor Day, is a fine example! Do any of us still know the significance of Labor Day, its origins? Did US President Grover Cleveland have the Constitutional authority to send in 12,000 US Army troops to Pullman, Illinois to quell the strike at the Pullman Palace Car Company? Did these US Army troops have the right shoot down (kill) civilians? Answer: NO. And that’s the origins of the US Holiday of Labor Day.
Again, in closing, I don’t want to hear about the “depth of the conspiracy” being of greater importance than the fundamental determining factors of what constitutes, or makes up, an individual that is a Natural Born Citizen. How is anyone going to prove that all these different people are part of conspiracy if we cant prove first that Mr Obama is not eligible to serve and hold Office of US President. I trust that everyone understands the logic here. Just to be clear, I have provided the analogy below.
The Conspiracy: Members of a secret and esoteric group all around the country are distributing a manual on how to builds your own machine that turns sliver into gold. The whole country is an uproar! The price of gold is now dropping and it’s starting to influence stock prices and even the price of milk at the local grocery store. Oh, people are mad! This secret group is only distributing the plans for the machine that produces gold to a certain demographic of society. Now people start making claims that this machine is illegal and that the guy that built has broken the law. Yet, for some reason, the Courts and even Congress continue to state that the inventor of the machine that makes gold has done nothing wrong. The maker of the machine openly admits that he manufacture the gold producing machine. The people are outraged because the Courts and Congress will do nothing. So the people start making claims that the company that supplied the parts for the machine is part of the conspiracy as well. And not only them, but the middle men as well that distribute the machine around the country are in on the conspiracy. And not only that, but the cell phone service providers that these distributers utilize for contacting clients is also part of the conspiracy. Soon there’s a long list of the individuals, corporations and government officials that are part of the evil conspiracy.
The only problem that now stands in the way of the angry people is that they have not yet proved that the machine that makes gold is actually illegal.
Not one member of the evil conspiracy is ever charged with a single crime because still the people have not proved that the machine in illegal. Yet the people still talk of the great conspiracy. One by one these people begin to die off. In the end only the people with the gold producing machine can sustain life, foe even a gallon of water now cost an ounce of gold, and only those with the gold machines can affords the prices. Finally the last man on earth without a gold producing machine is about to pass away. His last words are, “The evil conspiracy goes much further than anyone of you could imagine!”
Thank you and good night.
I understand your frustration Mr. Smith.
I just called my Senators Offices and my Representative. None of the phone talkers has ever heard of Lucas Smith, or so they say, and they know nothing of your letter. They have now heard of you, and they did promise me that the letter would be “looked at”. I will check the USPS certification status of the letters and call them back in a day or two.
Thank you.
Lucas, you are missing the point. The point is that no matter where Obama was born his alien birth father makes him ineligible. That is NOT to say I believe that Obama was born natively, as a pic on a website is proof of nothing, just like your pic on a website is proof of nothing. The danger is that Obama is trying to fram the question to birth in Hi. makes him legit.
You are trying to make the argument all about the BC, like if Obama produces a BC that says he was born in Hi. then everything is OK. That is the question and answer that Obama wishes to change to, so STRIKE 1. Your strawman arguments are STRIKE 2, like the one about “artificial insemination”. Straw man arguments are hallmarks of the Obama apologist’s obfuscations, so now I am thinking you may not be on the level.
If the mother is not married to the father than the father’s identity is meaningless as to the question about Natural Born Citizen. Born Citizens are born in the US of US Citizen parents. It is a term of art from Vattel’s Law of Nations, and means more than “citizens at birth”, as “citizens at birth” can be changed by Naturalization Laws of Congress.
Your relativism as to breaking the laws regarding Organ Donation is STRIKE 3. Cultural and Constitutional Relativism is another Hallmark of the Obama apologists.
I believe that you are political theatre, and I believe that you are a double agent until you prove otherwise, but I am not optimistic.
I believe that you are political theatre, and I believe that you are a double agent until you prove otherwise, but I am not optimistic.
Same here.
The argument that Obama is ineligible due to his foreign citizen father is not weak. Obama is ineligible for the same reason that a naturalized citizen is ineligible. Both were born subject to a foreign power. This is was what John Jay was rightfully concerned about when he wrote to Washington at the time of the Constitutional Convention, stating that requiring that our leader to be a natural born citizen was the “strong check” against foreign influence in the administration of our national government.
Obama’s birth certificate cannot prove his eligibility, it can only further disprove it should it show a foreign birth. If the Obama birth certificate that you have is genuine, and I have no evidence to believe it is not, then Obama has 2 strikes against his eligibility (foreign father, foreign birthplace). But only 1 strike is needed to disqualify Obama, and we have that one (foreign father). And there is no document that Obama can “produce” that will ever show that Obama Senior was a US citizen.
As for how did we allow the son of a foreign citizen to become President? I can only speak for myself. Like so many Americans, prior to the election, I believed that birth in the US was what natural born citizen meant. I have since been enlightened that it also means that both parents had to be US citizens at the time of birth.
LDS – “EVERY single President that has ever governed this great country has, in fact, introduced unconstitutional and illegal policy.”
I don’t believe that you know this for a fact. I would hope that it is not true. Let’s stick to facts here and not wild speculation.
LDS – “Where were you when “King” George Bush was literally shredding the US Constitution to pieces for eight years?”
I don’t believe this to be the case, but Obama supporters (and Clinton supporters) like to state this.
LDS – “If the father’s (or mother’s) citizenship is fundamental in determining whether an individual is eligible to be President of the USA than why do we have US President in Office now that has ALWAYS been very proud to overtly admit that his father was born in the Kenya Colony and that his father never indeed never was a US Citizen.”
You don’t subscribe to the fact that Obama doesn’t care about the Constitution? Obama ignores the natural born Citizen requirement and thinks that the Constitution should be rewritten. You must still be an Obama supporter.
LDS – “The mother was a US Citizen and I don’t care how old she was. I’m almost disgusted to hear people making claims that an underage American born girl (born in the US of two citizen parents) was not old enough to pass on US citizenship. Give me a break.”
It was the law in 1961. The parent had to have lived five years in the US after her 14th birthday to pass on citizenship if the child was born outside the US. I guess you favor looking the other way and disregarding the law in order to satisfy modern political correctness – just like Obama and his many progressive supporters who truly wish to re-write the Constitution.
Mr. Smith, In my opinion you are an Obama supporter, Obama operative, financial opportunist and a fraud. I’m sorry that the P & E published this interview and gave you the appearance of credibility
“Mr. Smith, In my opinion you are an Obama supporter, Obama operative, financial opportunist and a fraud. I’m sorry that the P & E published this interview and gave you the appearance of credibility”
My thoughts exactly.
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Mrs. Rondeau replies: I am not sorry. Look at the thoughtful discussion it has generated here!
Ms. Rondeau, it is with the utmost respect that I post this response to LDS (September 6, 2010 at 11:11 PM). As it’s more conclusive than inquisitive, I respect your decision to post or not. Sincerely, Thomas Morato.
After reading your latest post LDS, I’m now convinced of my belief you ARE an operative of either the federal government or Obama’s corrupt regime. Your goal is pure distraction and after all your ranting about eligibility, the one that stands out to me the most is…
“If Mr. Obama is NOT eligible to serve as US President than he needs to be removed from Office.”
I can’t speak for you, but had I spent the time, research, and re$ources that you say you have I would know in my heart that BHO is in fact NOT eligible as I would be holding the document which without doubt proves it. Holding such a document, the word “IF” would not be in your vocabulary.
Even without your document, the circumstantial evidence heavily points to BHO not being born in Hawaii. Where he was actually born, we may never find out. An investigation into this matter should have been conducted over 2 years ago starting with the fake document posted by BHO’s campaign (Robert Gibbs). Everyone in the government is playing stupid, but they all know the situation. Your efforts I can commend, its your motives I question.
Mick, Texoma, and Birdy have articulated their concerns about you and your motives quite well… I believe it’s time to exit stage left with what dignity you have left.
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Mrs. Rondeau replies: I think we are all praying for the truth to come out, once and for all, and I believe it will, one way or another.
Quote from Thomas Morato:
“If Mr. Obama is NOT eligible to serve as US President than he needs to be removed from Office.”
I can’t speak for you, but had I spent the time, research, and re$ources that you say you have I would know in my heart that BHO is in fact NOT eligible as I would be holding the document which without doubt proves it. Holding such a document, the word “IF” would not be in your vocabulary.
To me that is an incredibly weak argument with which to attempt to discredit Mr. Smith. I believe Obama is ineligible, actually I know he is ineligible….but often in the course of conversation I will say to someone something like, “If Obama’s ineligible he should immediately be removed from office”.
Using one sentence, in a way you somehow see something wrong with, is a real stretch if you are attempting to marginalize Mr. Smith. Looks petty and Alinsky like to me.
I sense a fear of the BC Mr. Smith has from certain people that give it additional credibility.
Yeah, Thomas. The posted comment by David F LaRocque, Monday, September 6, 2010 at 6:45 PM, read like one left by an operative, too. Especially disturbing is the first line of the last paragraph: “The time for gathering evidence is over.”
For what it’s worth, I agree with you regarding this line from Smith: “If Mr. Obama is NOT eligible to serve as US President than he needs to be removed from Office.”
“If”? I haven’t said “if” about Oilbama’s ineligibility in almost two years and I don’t even claim to have a copy of his Kenyan BC.
I, too, believe that Smith is an operative at worst, an opportunist at best.
What Mr Smith fails to grasp along with the multitudes , many of whom post here decrying B.O. Jr’s lack of eligibility based upon the father’s lack of U.S. citizenship at the time of his son’s birth. IS THIS
Firstly, the issue of children of unknown parentage /indeterminate origin is not a modern phenomenon –far from it In FACT as I have tried , on numerous occasions now, here and elsewhere —-it is for this reason that the Founders/Framers avoided such restrictive , binding terminology ie born of parents both of whom, or born of 2 …etc or born on U.S. soil
FOUNDLINGS WERE AND REMAIN CENTRAL TO PREDICAMENT, products of rape with unknown assailant modern day variations
eg artificial insemination , anonymous sperm/egg donation etc all fall into the same category
The Founders/Framers would not allow themselves to be hemmed in
ALL OF THESE BABIES EXCEPTING THOSE ADOPTED BY FOREIGN NATIONALS ETC
WOULD BE “BORN” OWING ALLEGIANCE TO ONLY THE U.S. EITHER AS CHILDREN OF U.S. CITIZEN PARENTS OR WARDS OF THE STATE
AGAIN, NATURAL BORN CITIZEN(SHIP)IS ABOUT ALLEGIANCE AT BIRTH UNITY OF CITIZENSHIP AT BIRTH BLAH BLAH IT IS NOT AN EQUATION WRITTEN a+b=c
People were not screaming about B.O. Jr’s father because most folks are silly and the man was dead so absent a flesh & blood human being in their midst they lacked the imagination to put it all together. The Usurper would have been better off claiming that he was the product of a union between his “grandfather” , Stan Armor Dunham and one of his unidentified black paramours/prostitutes from Honolulu’s infamous “red light district”
tom: Perhaps that is why in the trial of Lt. Colonel Terry Lakin, the judge, Denise Lind refused discovery stating that it might prove to be an embarrassment to the President. That being the case, an 18 year military man with a spotless record may serve prison time to avoid “embarrassment” to the President.
IT’s DISTORTIONS & RANTS LIKE THIS THAT ARE SO DISTURBING
THE MAN DOES NOT EVEN UNDERSTAND THE SIMPLE CONCEPT OF ALLEGIANCE
Smith states:
“or I get the standard line about “the birth certificate doesn’t matter! it’s only the citizenship of the parents that matters here!”. Give me a break. That theory isn’t very effective in real world now is it? Mr Obama and the rest of the world are all very much aware of Mr Obama’s father’s lack of US citizenship.”
No reasonably intelligent or sane, for that matter, person has claimed that the”birth certificate” does not matter with regard to B.O. Jr’s citizenship status ONLY that it is a “red herring” as far as ‘natural born citizenship’ status is concerned since regardless of his place of birth B.O. Jr owed allegiance to a foreign sovereignty at birth through his claimed NON -U.S. citizen father.
Mr Smith continues the craziness with this outburst:
“However, if neither parent ( BOTH OF THEM) were US Citizens then I’d be right there in your corner maintaining the Mr Obama is not a natural born citizen. However, that’s not the case. The mother was a US Citizen and I don’t care how old she was. I’m almost disgusted to hear people making claims that an underage American born girl (born in the US of two citizen parents) was not old enough to pass on US citizenship. Give me a break.”
Well, except for a few loons and the usual assorted variety of ignoramuses –no one has made the claim that ‘an underage American born girl(born in the US of two citizen parents) was not old enough to pass on US citizenship’
What HAS been “claimed” is that Stanley Ann Dunham being only 18 at the time of B.O. Jr’s birth would not automatically confer/transmit her U.S. citizenship status upon her NON- U.S.NATIVE born child ; the product of a union with a foreigner, NON-U.S. citizen father. She did not meet residency requirements per Naturalization Law circa 1961 which held the 14+5 rule that is she hadn’t resided in the United States for at least 5 yrs following her 14th birthday- the minimum req to earn the privilege of the automatic trans policy
Well done, Mr Smith. This grave issue must be addressed as “stonewalling” the constitution is not lawful no matter what excuse has been circulated among those who’ve fallen for the ruse. Should the congress refuse to answer, a much greater investment in Obama than just turning a blind eye to his ineligibility will become perfectly clear.
I would suggest that any debate about the veracity of Lucas Smith or the authenticity of his Kenyan birth certificate for Barack Obama is a waste of time.
As others have pointed out, the Lucas Smith story is but a small part of the larger story of the huge and growing conspiracy that put an impostor into the White House and continues to work to keep him there.
In my opinion, given the very disturbing concealment by Obama of all information concerning his origins and background, together with the multitude of indications of the possibility of a Kenyan birth for Obama, we should be focusing on the urgent need for an official investigation, either judicially or congressionally ordered, into the entire eligibility matter, including a forensic examination of the Kenyan birth certificate.
Folks, the very existence of the rule of law is being tested here. If we still have a Constitution and the rule of law, then the overwhelming volume of evidence pointing to a conclusion that we have put an illegitimate person into the office of president of the United States demands prompt governmental action.
The time for gathering evidence has ended. The evidence of election fraud in the 2008 presidential election is overwhelming, the concealment of additional evidence needed to resolve the matter is unprecedented and inexplicable, and the danger to our nation is, in the words of LTGEN McInerney “of such magnitude that its significance can scarcely be imagined.”
Frankly, there needs to be someone to publicly go on a starvation protest until the usurper is out…frankly, there will inevitably be the riots they ostensibly sought to try to avoid by keeping this criminal who’s shredding America to a state of total vulnerability, civil unrest is coming. Lind said that there was no line of command beyond the Pentagon, maybe they’re running things already under quiet martial law.
Can I assume that William has now been without food since writing his note.
After all, it was his idea to go on a hunger strike..
You’re preaching to the choir here. We’ve been quite aware for the past two years plus that an official investigation should take place. As focused as we’ve been for more than two dozen months – more than 730 days – we’ve yet to find enough of those who hold the judicial or political power to set the official investigation in motion.
Over two years into it, it’s plain to see that if we’d placed all of our focus and efforts on Berg’s efforts, this issue would be dead, the number of citizens who’d know there’s a squatter in the White House would be few, and there’d be nothing more that we could say or do. The same with the efforts of Taitz, Apuzzo, American Grand Jury, Dr Kate, P&E News, and dozens of other bloggers and citizen journalists, legal minds who’ve provided input and advice outside the courtrooms, Internet junkies with time to kill, like myself, who search and gather and distribute information and pieces of evidence, and so many others who’ve contributed so many hours doing and in so many different ways. If itemized, the list would be astromonical. All of this adds to good reason not to put all our focus and energies on Smith’s efforts, even for those who are positive that he’s got the goods. And not until the day that the usurper is in shackles, and maybe not even then, should we cease gathering evidence.
I hope that I’m wrong and that Smith’s got the Kenyan BC and that that document will fall into the hands of those who have the power, courage and honor to do the right thing with it and rid us of the usurper.
Those having problems accessing the files at scribd via the links in the article due to file size might try going to Smith’s scribd “documents” page. From there, you can see how many pages are in each document as well as a thumbnail preview before clicking on anything huge.
http://www.scribd.com/people/documents/18168772-lucas-smith?page=1
Great news and good work Smith– perhaps now some results can be achieved……
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Lucas Smith said “Does anyone have any idea just how many man hours went into that project? I’ve been working around the clock (literally) since July 1st, 2010 and didn’t complete the project until August 31, 2010. Two full months. Do you know how long it took just to address the envelopes and the certified mail receipts? How about scanning all of that into a PDF? How about finding a notary public that was willing to notarize more than 500 pages (by the way, they don’t do that for free)? And has anyone ever spent more than $3000 dollars on postage, certified mails fees and notary fees to inform US Congress of Mr Obama’s ineligibility to hold Office? A patriotic supporter paid those fees in full for this project. What have you done?”
Working hard instead of working smart should not warrant sympathy from the readers!
Smith addressed the envelopes by hand rather than purchasing laser mailing labels (600 for $50), and printing them out on a printer.
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Then Smith decided to scan each and every letter, envelope, and receipt. To what benefit? With the exception of the addressee, all of the letters are the same. A scan of one letter, and a list of the recipients would have satisfied most people.
For some unknown reason Mr. Smith thinks Congress will now express interest in a document that is only accompanied by a story about how it was obtained. Is that story true? We only know that Smith has so far refused to provide any documentation to back up his story. Mr. Smith should be introduced to the cart and the horse. Then he can be told which one should be placed in the front.
Smith would rather admit to selling a kidney (a felony http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode42/usc_sec_42_00000274—e000-.html) than provide any proof of travel to Africa. Does anyone else see something strange about that?
NO! I see nothing wrong in Mr. Smith’s being
diligent and careful in his making sure that all
members receive copies. Nor is there a problem
with him selling one of his kidneys to save a life.
I do think it strange to be nit picking someone who
is trying to save your cantakerous life from becoming
a citizen of Islam one fine day.
If a Muslim Caliph is running the show,
you’d best be very quiet.
“I see nothing wrong in Mr. Smith’s being diligent and careful in his making sure that all members receive copies. Nor is there a problem with him selling one of his kidneys to save a life.”
How does scanning each letter and posting it on scribd server ensure that all members receive copies? It doesn’t! It has absolutely no effect on delivery. It falls more into the category of what I would consider to be ‘busy work’. Making a list, and checking off each letter and the associated mailing receipt is how Smith is able to ensure that the members of congress each receive a copy.
As to the altruistic intent of Mr. Smith’s kidney sale: People all around the world DONATE a kidney in order to save a life. Those people are heroes. Smith SOLD his kidney for $200K. That is the work of a profiteer.
Wow! He ended up getting $200k for that kidney? And the Cedar Rapids police were investigating a report of attempted sale of said kidney for only $600.
http://qctimes.com/news/state-and-regional/article_a65ccee4-b393-5780-84d6-543b918e8c4e.html
Rather than simply citing the US Constitution in his July 4 letter that he sent to the congress critters at the end of August, he cites Senate Publication 103-21, makes mention of not knowing when the Senate copied the Constitution onto one of their publications (if you don’t know the date it was done, why bring it up at all – it’s a copy of the Constitution, for crying out loud), and that it was sent to him, via USPS, from the Senate. Actually, while in prison, he requested from Sen. Grassley a copy of the Constitution, and the Senator replied by sending him a copy in the form of a Senate Publication. Granted, Smith probably knows more about the US Constitution than the congress critters he just mailed since he probably had more than enough time to read it and read it well while most congress critters haven’t. Therefore, sending each of them a copy may have been helpful or even necessary. Going on about receiving from the Senate a Senate Publications of which one doesn’t know the date of publication and receiving, however when the truth is that, as a convict, one had written a request to and then received from a Senator a copy of the Constitution, well, that indicates to me that Smith is skilled in spinning the retelling of past events to his favor and benefit and he’s not afraid to use it.
Smith sure didn’t have anything nice to say about Taitz after they parted ways. I can’t say if he’s right or wrong in his assmessment of Taitz’ skills in the courtroom. The truth is that I don’t know if Taitz is any good at playing lawyer or not. Some have said she’s not a bad lawyer at all for a dentist; others say, well, Taitz’ lawyering’s not so much. She certainly is doggedly persistent in her fight for the truth about Oilbama, and that’s admirable, to say the least, especially when the patriot it’s coming from is a naturalized citizen of the US. These are the immigrants to America that we native borns and natural borns love the hell out of and wish there more of here in the US.
Anyway, what I do know now, however, after reading Smith’s “new Declaration” is that it was over money that he and Taitz severed their lawyer-dentist/traveling-witness-for-the-plaintiff relationship. Although his Declaration seems to paint Taitz as having been morally bankrupt from the moment he agreed to testify for her clients, it wasn’t until after they parted ways over money he demanded but that she wouldn’t give that her alleged immorality and lack of ethics began to gnaw at him. Must have been chewin’ the heck out of him because he felt the immediate need to let Capt Pamela Barnet know all about the miscreant that she’d just unwittingly commissioned to represent her in her eligibility case against Oilbama.
Well, it’s a darned good thing that Smith explained that it was his guilt by association that compelled him to file this civil action. Without that knowledge, some people might just think that Smith was so mad that he filed suit against Taitz out of vindictiveness, the anger not letting him think or care a bit about how such a suit might hurt her plaintiffs’ cases against Oilbama, which would indirectly help Oilbama in his mission to destroy America, even if only giving him one less thing to deal with outside of destruction of the west. Good thing Smith nipped that one in the bud by letting us what filing the suit was really all about. Whew!(insert winking and elbow nudging emoticons here.)
http://www.thepostemail.com/2009/10/28/captain-pamela-barnett-issues-challenge-to-bill-oreilly/
http://www.scribd.com/doc/21451147/Lucas-Daniel-Smith-10-12-09-new-Declaration-SACV09-00082-DOC-Anx
PS: Since Smith can’t work due to death threats and how employers must keep on file their employees’ social security numbers, which are used to track down home addresses, perhaps someone should tell him that allowing publication of his full name, addresss and telephone number in news blog posts is extremely foolhardy. The same for uploading docs containing that information to scribd. If he’s going to share his address on the ‘Net anyway, he may as well get a job.
Correction: I misunderstood the purpose of the Declaration filed by Smith. It’s not a suit filed against Taitz, at least I don’t think it is. I’m not completely positive what its official purpose and definition is. From the non-lawyerly side of the rink, it looks like a gift to the defendant (Oilbama), a document that declares the plaintiff’s representative to be lacking in honesty, ethics and integrity.
Charles Lincoln, who Smith described as “brilliant,” “renowned,” and “noble” in his Oct 2009 anti-Taitz declaration, had sunk to “The Weasel Charles Edward Lincoln III” by the end of March 2010. Nevermind that Lincoln was a disbarred lawyer who shares Smith’s belief that evictions due to foreclosure should be legally wrangled out or postponed for years, if possible, because mortgage foreclosures are the banks’ fault. And nevermind that, according to Smith, Lincoln was sleeping the married Taitz, he was “noble” in Smith’s eyes. Back when Lincoln was noble, he was also paying for Smith’s meals and letting him stay at his house rent-free. By March 2010, Lincoln lost his home to the bank (this one Taitz’ fault, not the bank’s – go figure), had moved in with his college student girlfriend in her condo. Florida weasels must be deadly beasts because Smith offered his services as Protector From Weasels to girlfriend of the formerly noble Lincoln. (Pot, meet Black. Black, this is Pot.)
It gets even more Jerry Springer after that, so you’ll just have to go read it for yourself. Summarizing it here for you would just squig me out all over again.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/29109263/The-Weasel-Charles-Edward-Lincoln-III-03292010
By the way, it didn’t escape my attention that Smith told the alleged adulterer that her “honor flew out the window” when she took up with Lincoln yet Lincoln remained unstained, even noble. I wonder if Smith’s double standard is based on misogyny (it’s always the woman’s fault) or on what each of the parties have to offer to him (if Taitz had been carrying him instead of Lincoln, would Lincoln honor flown away while Taitz remained noble?). That Smith’s alliances, after being severed, turn very nasty, didn’t escape my attention, either.
Mr. Crocket,
In defense of Mr. Lucas, you cannot copy all of the letters from one. When the notary public signed and sealed a letter with the heading addressed to a particular congress rep., that seal and signature is unique. Therefore a scan of each would be required.
I believe you Lucus Smith and have been watching your videos since the first one posted. Clapped my hands together on the eBay birth certificate sale too! Very smart!
Thanks for all your hard work and money put into the mass mailing, now we know every single member in Congress has been informed and whatever happens out of it should not be a surprise for any of them. God Speed Mr. Lucas.
There is an individual posting comments on this under this article under the name “Bob” (not to be confused with the other “Bob1943” who posts here too).
This Bob person is either an Obama supporter, or a person who will disagree just to disagree or he is just another “keyboard warrior” who conducts all of his “research” via Wikipedia and Google. Let’s review, shall we?
He claims that his brother works as a pediatrician in Africa. He also claims that his daughter works as a university reference librarian. Sure, everyone will believe you now.
And if that weren’t enough, Bob himself, (when the topic of John McCains birth in Panama came up) claims that he has personally been to the area that is the former Canal Zone in Panama. Bob, in his subjective and erroneous report, also first states that the city of Colon was “in” the US Territory and then in the next paragraph he states that city of Colon is “just outside” the former Canal Zone (the actual US Territory).
Here is Bob’s “evidence” that the Kenyan birth certificate is a fake:
1. He can’t find a record online of John Kwame Odongo working as an Obstetrician in Kenya.
2. He claims that there’s only one (1) obstetrician all of present day country of The Congo.
3. As already mentioned, his brother works in Africa as a pediatrician and his daughter is a university reference librarian. (As if anyone believes this. Maybe you could post supporting evidence? Also post the passport stamps for your trip the former canal zone in Panama?)
My answers:
1. There are plenty of doctors and hospitals staff that worked in the 1950s and 1960s in Africa that that you will not find with an online search. As for your “daughter” the library worker, are you telling me that she is traveling the world and scouring the actual tangible “records” herself? I, Lucas, have hunted and tracked down documents from colonial Kenya and Zanzibar which cannot be found ANYWHERE ON THE INTERNET. I have tracked down official colonial reports and other supporting evidence. These records I have found are not held in ANY LIBRARY.
2. To say that there is only one obstetrician working in present day Congo is an egregiously ridiculous statement. Your statement proves your complete, and categorical, lack of understanding and any knowledge of The Democratic Republic of the Congo. No one, especially not on the internet, knows exactly what specific medical staff is, or is not, in the Congo. The Congo is one of the most war torn countries in the world. The Congo was in a constant state of war from the 60’s thru the year 2007. And the fighting is still really not over, not at all. However, one of the positive effects of the longest civil war in modern history is that the DR of The Congo has had a steady influx and “outflux” of humanitarian workers coming in and out of the country for the last 3 decades. Numbers and statistics change by the day and week. Doctors and other medical staff (many practicing in specialized fields) from all over the world (notably Europe) having been providing health care to inhabitants of The Congo for decades. The country’s never ending civil war (though officially ended in 2007, but not really) has made The Congo a unique country as far as medicine in present day Africa goes. That’s not say that health care is great there or that they are any good hospitals but, there is a tremendous inflow and outflow of doctors and medical staff that can be found, uniquely, in The Congo. So DON’T attempt to tell me, or anyone, that there is only one obstetrician in all of The Congo. It sounds like you read, if you actually did read that, some online plea for more obstetricians being needed in The Congo.
3. Using your same logic as to the need of supporting evidence, how to you then expect anyone to believe that your “brother” works in Africa as a pediatrician? Or that your “daughter” is a university reference librarian? And your over the top statement when the John McCain factor came up in which you stated that you yourself had personally visited the area of the former Canal Zone. Can you provide evidence for your claims? And about the trip to Panama, can you post some scans of your passport stamps?
4. In your first statement regarding the city if Colon, Panama you state the Colon was “in” the US Territory. You then state in your next paragraph that the city of Colon, Panama was “just outside” the US Territory. What sort of egregious contradiction is that? To make myself clear, THE CANAL ZONE was the US TERRITORY. So what sort of strange claims are you making?
Thank you, sir.
Mr. Smith, if Sharon approves this question, would you PLEASE clear
up the accusations regarding the interaction between you and Dr. Taitz
about an accident in which there is the claim that you were asked
to perjure yourself? It is a cloudy misunderstanding and I would
like to have it clarified.
This question is not a reflection on your Kenyan accomplishment.
I am on your side, completely.
.
Jan, if I may, there’s been no accident or misunderstanding. Smith declares in the linked document that Taitz asked him to commit perjury. He also declares Taitz to be an opportunist, an adulteress, a control freak, and more.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/21451147/Lucas-Daniel-Smith-10-12-09-new-Declaration-SACV09-00082-DOC-Anx
Boy, Lucas, have you got things all garbled up!
Once agiin, if you have proof that there is a Dr. John Kwame Odongo, then you have solved your problem!
The research that I did was in response to Jerome Corsi’s argument that your document was not authentic. I discovered in the process that there is in this country’s universities a lot of information about the British in Kenya. I was able to authenticate many things about the document that at the time Dr. Corsi found fault with, and I also communicated what I found with the editor emeritus of this paper at the time. As I remember, John Charlton thought even less of your document than I did! And, I’m not sure I was able to change his mind.
However, you have now produced almost everything I found at that time all by yourself. So, great!
The one thing that I was NEVER able to authenticate was the name of the ‘Dr. John Kwame Odongo.’ I have also said that the last possible place that name could still be found, if it exists, is in the bound records of the British Medical Society in London, because the name cannot be found in our nation’s libraries, which are really, really extensive in the information they have about Colonial Kenya.
So, it is totally ridiculous for you simply to assume that I’m an Obot. However, what I have pointed out is this, that until YOU can ‘AUTHENTICATE’ the high profile name of the Obstetrician, Dr. John Kwame Odongo, then you really have NOTHING of value!
Just wondering, has anyone anthenticated the doctors name on Obama’s online COLB?
Trick question,…there isn’t one.
If Lucas Smith’s Mombasa BC cannot be believed because of one name that has not been authenticated according to Bob, what does that say about a COLB that has only 3 names, the father, the mother and the baby, and no signatures?
Sorry, but you are nowhere close to invalidating Lucas Smith’s Mombasa Kenya Obama BC, keep trying but it still looks good to me, and head and shoulders above anything the Obama regime has offered as proof. Yet Obama’s certifiably bogus proof is pointed to ad nauseam as the be all and end all to Obama’ eligibility.
I might jump ship at some point, but right now I’m sticking with Lucas.
Bob1943, I don’t want to accept one forgery over another just because I like the story it tells better than the other. We’re not limited to choosing between Smith and Oilbama. I reject them both.
Lucas —
There is apparently a different ‘Bob’ who lived in Panama, and who posted coincidentally with me.
This ‘Bob’ has never lived in Panama.
STOP ALL OF THIS NONSENSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!
MR. SMITH?!
JUST SHOW US A PIC, A VID CLIP, A RECEIPT, TRAVEL DOC STAMP, ANYTHING !!!!!!! FROM YOUR AFRICAN SOJOURNS
NO MORE DETAILS ABOUT THE “B.C.” ETC UNTIL YOU CAN PLACE YOURSELF IN THE DESIGNATED PLACES AT THE APPOINTED TIMES
THE 5000 SMACKERS SHOW US THE PAPER/ELECTRONIC TRAIL FOR THIS/THESE TRANSACTIONS
COME ON, NO MORE GAMES
YA DON’T HAVE TO GIVE AWAY THE STORE JUST THROW US A BONE
In the 1903 treaty, the US was granted powers as if it were sovereign. Panama, not the US, was the actual sovereign of the Canal Zone. This is further evidenced by the fact that we paid annual rent to Panama, which we would not do if we were the sovereign.
Let me add just some of the evidence that we know about beside Lucas Smith’s Kenya birth certificate:
FOURTEEN independent media sources in Africa say “Kenya born”
AP in 2004 says “Kenya born Obama headed to senate”
FIVE Kenya officials say “Kenya Born”
Michelle says TWICE, husband “Kenyan”
TWO Kenya registrars say “Kenya birth documents”
Grand Mother Sarah says she was PRESENT at birth and has NEVER been to Hawaii.
Against this, you are expected to believe the birth announcements in Hawaii which do NOT name the baby, the mother or more importantly the actual place of Birth, hospital or doctor or witnesses.
The COLB posted by Abdallah has never been authenticated as coming from the State of Hawaii and officials say they do NOT know what the image represents.
Someday, Americans will know the facts.
Right now. I believe Abdallah is a giant Hoax, an Impostor and Traitor.
Again, that Oilbama was born in Kenya (something I’m 99% certain of) neither credits nor discredits Smith’s claim to have a copy of the Kenyan BC in his possession. That there is a Kenyan BC that was issued to Oilbama at the time of his birth neither proves nor disproves Smith’s account of having obtained a copy of the document.
Most everyone who knows me knows that I was born in Dallas, Texas, even though only a handful of them have seen my BC. But that doesn’t mean that anyone besides the state’s records in Austin, TX and me have a copy of my BC even if someone were to say they went to Austin and got a copy of it. If someone were to make that claim and then were exposed for having made it up, it wouldn’t mean that I wasn’t born in Dallas, Texas.
That Oilbama was born in Kenya is not proof that Smith has a copy of the Kenyan BC.
Auntie,
I am not ready to say Lucas Smith’s Kenyan birth certificate isn’t real because I have no evidence that tells me it isn’t. Until then I will believe Mr. Smith is telling the truth.
I reserve the right to change my mind when and if there is proof the document that Mr. Smith has is fake which approaches the proof that Obama’s birth narrative in it’s entireity is fake. That has not happened yet in any way for me. I am not trading one fake document for another, I am reserving judgement for now, and accepting Mr. Smith’s word. Unlike Obama I still believe he can be trusted. I’ll speak up otherwise when and if that trust is lost.
Re-posting a third comment from the Judge Carter article:
David F LaRocque says:
Wednesday, August 25, 2010 at 8:35 PM
A final thought on Lucas Smith and the Kenyan birth certificate, since I will be away until Monday Aug 30 and will not be able to respond to further questions until then:
The reaction of Obama’s attorneys to Lucas Smith and the Kenyan birth certificate was just the opposite of what one would expect. After all, the leftists have been hammering away for months on the theme that the so-called “birthers” are just a bunch of crazies and right wing racist wackos who cannot accept that Barack Obama was born in Hawaii and that he won the election. And Orly Taitz is portrayed as a loose cannon, and even a nut case by some, who is trying to use her questionable legal qualifications to overturn a valid presidential election in which “sixty-nine million” American people said they wanted Barack Obama for their president.
So the appearance of Lucas Smith and his Kenyan birth certificate for Barack Obama at the Sept 8 hearing presented a golden opportunity for Obama’s lawyers to show the world just how crazy, irresponsible, and disreputable the “birthers” truly are.
If Lucas Smith is a fraud, and his Kenyan birth certificate is a forgery, then Obama’s lawyers should have jumped at a chance to put him on the stand and tear him to pieces, and to take his Kenyan birth certificate into evidence and have it thoroughly examined and presumably revealed as a blatant forgery.
Yet how did they react?
They were terrified of Lucas Smith and his Kenyan birth certificate.
They did not want to see or hear from Lucas Smith and they did not want Judge Carter to see or hear from Lucas Smith.
They did not want to see a Kenyan birth certificate for Barack Obama, and they certainly did not want Judge Carter to see such a document.
What does that tell you?
It tells me that Oilbama’s attorneys either know as fact or strongly believe that Oilbama was born Kenya and qestioning the validity of the BC that Smith claims to have in his possession was a risk they weren’t willing to take.
By the way, did this just happen last week, Sept 8, 2010, or 2009? I’m not doubting or challenging you. I honestly don’t know.
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Mrs. Rondeau replies: There was a hearing in California on September 8, 2009.
Thank you, Mrs Rondeau. I’ve read a number of documents that Smith uploaded to scribd since posting the question above. A lot has changed between Taitz and Smith in the last year. And it ain’t pretty.
Re-posting a second earlier comment re: Lucas Smith:
David F LaRocque says:
Wednesday, August 25, 2010 at 12:56 PM
Thoughts about Lucas Smith and Judge Carter’s ruling
Perhaps the most significant fact about the September 8, 2009 hearing in the Barnett case was the presence of Lucas Smith. I met Lucas and talked to him personally, as did several members of the press who were present. Lucas was carrying with him in a vinyl sheet protector a high-quality copy of the purported Kenyan birth certificate for Barack Obama.
My sense of Lucas Smith was that he was a serious and credible individual. The document he displayed appeared on its face to be an authentic document, although that fact could not be established without a forensic analysis.
When the subject of possible testimony by Lucas Smith came up during the hearing, there was an extended interchange between Judge Carter and Obama’s government attorney in which the judge tried to persuade the defense to agree to allow a deposition of Mr. Smith in order to learn more about the evidence Mr. Smith claimed to have, but the defense refused to agree to allow any evidence to be presented in any form.
An interview of Lucas Smith was conducted on August 18, 2010 by Steve Cooper at theconservativemonster.com. In this interview, Lucas Smith describes the circumstances and the manner of his acquisition of the Kenyan birth certificate document. He also describes a new project he has underway to apprise each member of Congress individually of the existence of this document. The interview is well-worth listening to and may be found at:
http://media.podcastingmanager.com/0/8/8/4/7/185470-174880/Media/8-18-10.mp3
An enhanced version of a Lucas Smith video may be seen at:
http://media.abovetopsecret.com/media/3931/Barack_Obama_Kenyan_Birth_Certificate_-_Enhanced_Lucas_Smith_Video/
At the end of the audio file, after the interview with Lucas Smith was concluded, a caller who claims to have been present at the September 8 hearing and who talked to Lucas Smith states that he considered Lucas Smith to be a responsible and credible individual based on his impressions from those contacts.
What strikes me about this matter in relation to Judge Carter is that this interchange regarding possible testimony from Lucas Smith, together with Judge Carter’s unequivocal statements at this hearing and the July 13 hearings respectively regarding his intention to conduct a trial on the merits of the case for “the country’s benefit” and so that “the country isn’t sitting there wondering who the Commander-in-Chief is, and who the President is”, are clear examples of Judge Carter’s apparent awareness of Justice Marshall’s admonition to the courts that the courts must provide a “remedy in the law to a violation of a vested legal right” or this country will no longer deserve the “high appellation” as a government of laws and not men.
Yet when Judge Carter stated in his ruling that, notwithstanding a mountain of circumstantial evidence that a massive election fraud took place in the 2008 presidential election, and that a criminal conspiracy was executed in order to usurp the office of president of the United States, he finds that the fact that sixty-nine million Americans voted for this usurper takes priority over the requirements of the Constitution that the president must hold certain specific qualifications in order to serve in the office of president, and by inference, that he must demonstrate to the people that he meets those qualifications.
When there is overwhelming evidence that massive criminal fraud has taken place by those individuals who conspired to gain the power vested in the Executive Branch by the United States Constitution, does the separation of powers doctrine continue to “limit the reach of the federal courts”?
I would submit that if it does, then we no longer have a government of laws, and not of men.
I am re-posting a comment from the earlier article on Judge Carter which remains relevant to the current discussion:
David F LaRocque says:
Wednesday, August 25, 2010 at 8:02 PM
I suggest you listen to the Lucas Smith interview.
We are not forensic document analysts, so we cannot know anything with certainty about this document until it is examined by a professional document analyst.
The story Lucas Smith tells has the ring of truth. He says he was in Kenya on other business, heard about this controversy, and decided to investigate on his own in Mombasa.
He said he had to pay bribes of $200 first, then a second bribe of $500 just to get to the person who could deliver a document. Then he had to pay $5000 to that person for delivery within an hour (to preclude creation of a forged document). He has impressed a number of people with his credibility, including Steve Cooper, the interviewer. He calls himself Inspector Smith – I don’t know if that means anything, but he has the demeanor of a professional investigator and he seems to know how to handle himself in a third world environment.
Lucas claims he has successfully countered all challenges he has received concerning the credibility of the document. I believe he covered the date format issue in one of his videos.
He seems to be as desirous of finding the truth of Obama’s origins as we are. I don’t believe he is the type of person who would send us all on a wild goose chase. In addition, I don’t think he would be sending a forged document to 535 members of Congress by certified mail.
With all that said, the Kenyan BC in Lucas Smith’s possession may turn out to be a forgery. If so, so be it. It doesn’t change anything with respect to either Obama’s lack of a valid birth certificate, or the parental citizenship element of the NBC definition.
In fact, it just serves to emphasize how absurd this whole scandal has become. Whoever heard of a president who refuses to provide a legitimate birth certificate, causing enormous inconvenience, anxiety, and frustration to countless people around the world trying to clear up this mystery? This is the kind of convoluted story one encounters in a Vince Flynn novel, but the real life of Barack Obama is truly stranger than fiction.
Of course, the Kenyan B.C. could turn out to be authentic, allowing the people to quickly bring this national tragedy to an end; allowing the people to render justice to the perpetrators and to begin to repair the enormous damage done to this nation by the conspirators in this giant hoax against the American people, in their failed attempt to transform a nation of liberty into a Communist tyranny.
I have been reading Post & Mail for awhile, I read Citizen Wells, frugal cafe, and drudge reports everyday also. I rarely post but I want to make that exception today. I am thrilled with Lucas Smith’s actions. I hope and pray that someone in DC will see the truth. I have been totally disgusted with the judges in all of the cases and do not understand how and why they can act with such disregard for law. I have written my representatives many many times asking for an inquiry and have been ignored . Now that Mr. Obama’s poll numbers aren’t so hot anymore maybe they will be more attuned to listen. God bless our country. God bless all patriots who are fighting for our country and trying to preserve our Constitution. Don’t lose heart Mr. Smith there are many who care and wish you success.
Democrats and Republicans are influenced and generally controlled greatly by the same bankers and elite media moguls. For example, Rupert Murdoch and George Soros are both members of the Bilderberg group. They may act like they are on opposing sides, but it’s not a whole lot different than pro wrestling, except the actors are better and there is a lot more money involved.
Imagephreak, I have been searching for the right imagery to wrap my mind around the international conspiracies that have been influencing our country for too long. Pro wrestling is it! Murdoch and Foxnews are just as much traitors as anyone else in the media. I can’t even watch it anymore without my blood pressure rising, the constant diet of inane distraction type stories. Whether Lucas Smith is conning us or not, the media needs a complete boycott to starve them of ad revenue. I am inclined to believe Smith’s story as it has the ring of truth. When deciding who to believe, this guy who is willing to produce THE MOST DETAILED document on the Delicate Genius’ mystery of a life, or the constant childlike propaganda spewed out by the marxist fool’s regime and the media. Nothing to see here you racist, conspiracy theory toting morons! Just ignore the complete SEALING of all records, the OVER TWO MILLION DOLLARS spent on atty fees, the treasonous defense by the DOJ, the fact he ADMITS he had DUAL CITIZENSHIP with UK and later Kenya. Nothing to see here…..If Smith’s legitimate looking BC kicks in the door to the Washington whorehouse and exposes all to the light of day, then he deserves a monument to honor him as a true patriot who came through for this nation in a time of great peril. and I hope he makes a ton of money afterward too. Stay Safe Lucas.
On Sunday, September 5, 2010 at 10:40 PM, Jim says:
About the McCain Jus soli /Panama natural born Citizenship question:
McCain claims he was born on an American military base rather than in Panama proper. As a man who sacrificed much in service of his country, assume he is an honorable man and that this claim is true (perhaps his off-base hospital birth certificate widely available on the Internet is bogus and differs from what he showed the Congressional committee investigating his natural born status).
Some would claim that by E. de Vattel, to qualify as a natural born Citizen, one need only be born to citizen parents and be born free of any claim of foreign allegiance. Panama is a country that lays claims of allegiance by place of birth alone, so being born in peacetime in a Panamanian hospital would clearly disqualify McCain according to Vattel, but if he were truly born on-base, then he would be born within U.S. territory and his case would be less clear cut, at least according to Vattel.
To this I say look to the Naturalization Act of 1790 and its revision of 1795. The original stated: “the children of citizens of the United States, that may be born beyond sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born Citizens […]” whereas, in the revised 1795 version, this was changed to just plain “citizens.” The “natural born” part was dropped.
Why was that?
The original Act must have been considered to have been in conflict with the Constitution (which cannot be superseded by a mere Act of Congress), therefore the revised Act informs us as to the Founders’ understanding of at least some of the intended restricted meaning of “natural born Citizen.”
U.S. controlled territories are not States, and McCain was very clearly born “beyond sea” and “out of the limits of the United States,” so by the guidance of the history of the Naturalization Act, he cannot be a natural born Citizen (even if he were to be “a child born in the Armies of the State” as defined by Vattel).
In the context of his time I suppose that Vattel would be referring to the entourage of wives and families that sometimes accompanied an army on extended campaign (including during an occupation). A modern day equivalent would be like when our troops were in hostile administrative occupation in post WWII Germany or Japan, whereas the situation in Panama seems more like a non-wartime business venture or like our troops being stationed by consent in a friendly territory or country today.
While at war the entourage is an encapsulated little bit of the home culture on-the-move. While stationed for long periods within the territory of a friendly foreign ally, the likelihood of mixing and absorbing the culture is much greater. The latter case seems, at the very least, like a gray zone situation more akin to a birth occurring while on an extended business assignment – I wonder what Vattel would have thought of that?
Also, there is the history of the Naturalization Act that perhaps adds further restrictions beyond Vattel (depending on what his true intent was). Clearly the Founders (for they were still active at the time of the Naturalization Act and its revision) thought that to “be born beyond sea, or out of the limits of the United States,” even if born to citizen parents, was not enough to make one natural born.
nbC = born of blood + dirt. That means born naturally (without need of any law or statute) a Citizen by both parentage and place, thus born with exclusive natural allegiance to America alone.
You don’t seem to know your Vattel very well. For those born abroad in the armies of the state, they are considered born in the country, thus McCain, regardless of exact place of birth, would be considered born in the country since his two U.S. citizen parents (via his father) were abroad in service to their country. He thus fits Vattel’s definition of natural born citizen.
“For the same reasons also, children born out of the country, in the armies of the state, or in the house of its minister at a foreign court, are reputed born in the country; for a citizen who is absent with his family, on the service of the state, but still dependent on it, and subject to its jurisdiction, cannot be considered as having quitted its territory.”
On Monday, September 6, 2010 at 2:04 PM, ksdb wrote:
I agree (and thought I so stated) that that was Vattel’s position for those born to citizens, but out of country while waging war. I was questioning whether Vattel would have considered solders semi-permanently stationed by invitation within a friendly country to be more like businessmen on extended assignment who are free to mix within and absorb the foreign culture – especially so for their children who may be going to school in the local community. A situation like that would tend to produce “citizens of the world”, you know, kind of like with/ Obama who was raised in that manner.
Also, my main point was that the revision history of the Naturalization Act seemed to indicate that the Founders specifically wished to set the Jus soli bar higher than Vattel by removing the act’s clause that classified the children (of citizens) born beyond the sea as natural born Citizens, replacing it with one that classified them instead as just plain citizens.
The only possible counter interpretation is that that part of the revision to the Naturalization Act was simply to remove language (natural born Citizen) concerning law that rightfully could only be modified by the process of Constitutional Amendment. When you think about it, it is a bit oxymoronic for a “Naturalization Act” to be modifying in any way the meaning of “natural born Citizen“.
The case against McCain being natural born is certainly closer to the borderline than for any of the rest (e.g., Obama and Bobby Jindal, both who are clearly not natural born). Also, the last thing I want to do is to pick a fight with fellow supporters of the Constitution and rule of law, especially over a case that is moot at this point. I only seek clarity in what a sometimes difficult-to-interpret law actually means.
Regards – tw
You are reading too much into Vattel’s “armies of the state” paragraph. Vattel does not say that these children are natural born citizens. Furthermore, you cannot assume that the parents are both citizens of the country, even though the wife is with the soldier. The mother could be a local mistress and not the wife of the soldier, in which case the child is a dual citizen at birth.
Also, regarding the Canal Zone, Panama was the sovereign and not the US. We paid rent to Panama, which we would not do if we were sovereign.
Furthermore, the Dept of State Foreign Affairs Manual says the following about overseas military bases:
“Despite widespread popular belief, U.S. military installations abroad and U.S. diplomatic or consular facilities abroad are not part of the United States within the meaning of the 14th Amendment. A child born on the premises of such a facility is not born in the United States and does not acquire U.S. citizenship by reason of birth.”
McCain was a US citizen at birth by federal statute (Title 8 Section 1401) and he was born under the sovereignty of Panama despite his birth on a Naval base. A natural born citizen is a citizen at birth by natural law and not human law (such as a statute), and is born only under the sovereignty of the US. Thus McCain is not a natural born citizen.
I understand people’s fear of being hoaxed, but a wise man proportions his belief to the evidence. Lucas Smith’s extremely powerful evidence deserves to be fairly considered in light of all the other evidence we have that suggests the real, multi-motivated, gigantic hoax here was committed by Barack Hussein Obama, Jr., not by Lucas Smith. Considering all that we know about Obama’s ineligibility, who is more likely to be a fraud, Obama or Smith?
I’m betting the fraudster is Obama, not Smith. Now let SOMEBODY in our government demand an investigation and hold hearings on the facts. The main fact is that this case is of monumental importance but has been deliberately ignored, ridiculed, and put aside by our judges, congresspersons, and of course the executive branch. If there is any doubt about the legitimacy of our Commander-in-Chief, why oh why has that doubt not been dealt with openly, fairly, and definitively? That is where the conspiracy lies, not with Lucas Smith.
It’s not an either/or., either Oilbama is a fraud or Smith is a fraud. We already know Oilbama is a fraud. We don’t know yet about Smith, who may or may not be a fraud, too.
Hi everyone. First I’d like to thank everyone for their comments on the article. I believe in the free speech I am glad that all sorts of informed individuals are commenting here, whether the comments be positive or negative. I encourage everyone to at least do a little research before posting comments which make claims about selling kidneys, eBay auctions, $5000, and events that have taken place within the last 18 months.
I’ve made a tremendous effort within the last 18 months (every day of every week of every month) to make this story and the birth certificate known to the world. It wasn’t easy. The mainstream media would help and most attorneys are not interested in tossing a lucrative career down the toliet. I was hoping that people would think objectively before posting comments regarding this article.
I see that some here are already making claims that the post mark on the Mombasa envelope has been forged. Thank you for making a comment based on zero evidence. I’m sure that if I was to upload a scan of my passport that you’d find the African passport stamps to be authentic? I’ll make scan of my passport for you this very minute.
Fact: I sold one of my kidneys the year 2006 for $200,000. No one was hurt, no one died as the result of my action, on the contrary, I saved a life. Organ sales save lives, plain and simple. Do a little research, please. I’ve been over this story literally hundreds, if not thousands of times, online.
My youtube forum (www.youtube.com/inspectorsmith) is just that, a forum in which Patriots discuss the latest news regarding the eligibility factor, new ideas, strategies for litigation and updates on how and where we have been able to spread the word to a larger audience. There are over 13,000 comments on that forum. I’m not referring to video comments, I’m talking about on profile comments. We call it a forum. Any of you people posting comments here have your own forum that has more than 13,000 comments posted on it by hundreds of different Patriots which details the lasted ineligibility new, litigations, strategies and ideas?
I’ve been creating videos and Power Point presentations (converted to video) for the last year and uploading them to my youtube page, where they still run today (the newest presentation is from August). Most of the information that this Post & Email article entails has already been discussed hundreds of times on my youtube forum and or video presentations there. This article here at The Post & Email was written to inform a large audience about the recent Letter to all members of Congress.
Does anyone have any idea just how many man hours went into that project? I’ve been working around the clock (literally) since July 1st, 2010 and didn’t complete the project until August 31, 2010. Two full months. Do you know how long it took just to address the envelopes and the certified mail receipts? How about scanning all of that into a PDF? How about finding a notary public that was willing to notarize more than 500 pages (by the way, they don’t do that for free)? And has anyone ever spent more than $3000 dollars on postage, certified mails fees and notary fees to inform US Congress of Mr Obama’s ineligibility to hold Office? A patriotic supporter paid those fees in full for this project. What have you done?
I was personally present at the September 8th, 2009 Barnett vs Obama hearing in CA as a witness. I was there, in full view of everyone (until being ushered into the witness room) waiting to give my testimony in front of Judge Carter and the rest of the world. I have since (every day, week and month) been attempting to enter my testimony into litigation against Mr Obama. I have tried everything. I even worked with Charles Edward Lincoln III from January 2010 thru April 2010. It’s not easy (more like impossible), as everyone should know by now, to successfully litigate such cases.
This Letter to Congress project was a NEW strategy. Thousands of dollars were spent as well as may hundreds of mans hours. Thank you so much for you kind comments. It’s tremendously motivating to hear that I should have been doing this (or at least something patriotic) in the last 18 months. Yes, maybe one day I will be able to say that I have done as much as you.
Lastly, I see that there are a number of African history/culture aficionados posting comments here under this article. I’ve spent the last year answering questions regarding this birth certificate. I’ve successfully countered all claims. I’ve always admired intelligent individuals how do not post comments with thoughts of the first thing that pops into their mind when it comes to subjects of study that they are not, in any way, informed of or educated in. It’s great to see that people are objective and have done their research.
Lastly, $5000, I don’t understand what mystery revolves around a sum of $5000. I trust that a majority of adult Americans past the age of 30 (and much much younger) have more than $5000. As matter of fact, I bought my own home in the year 2006 for $7500 cash in Cedar Rapids, Iowa. Perhaps you to have made expenditures in sums of thousands of dollars? I trust that you have.
Regarding Africa, has anyone been there? Do you how many ATMS machines there are in all of The Democratic Republic of the Congo? Well, would it shock you if I told you that you could count them all with the fingers on your two hands? A great strategy for safely having money at your disposal in such countries is to Western Union yourself (before you make your trip) several sums of money. You can later, at you leisure, or need, pick up these individual transaction. And, yes, every country in Africa has lots of Western Union locations.
Thank you again everyone!
I admire P&E’s work but their “exclusive” interview with you appears to have fallen short and is extremely lacking in my opinion. Many of the interviews conducted here are thorough, well thought out and inclusive of tons of on-topic and background information. Having said that, I can’t help but be very skeptical of your motivations and intent with what could possibly be yet another distraction and “dis-information” about BHO.
Obama’s birth LOCATION has been the distraction from the very beginning. BHO (as an alleged constitutional attorney) knows himself is ineligible on two facts alone… 1) BHO’s non-us-citizen father and 2) his dual citizenship status at birth.
Everyone can appreciate all your “hard work” in the last couple of months to notify congress, but the truth is your a day late and a dollar short. Congress (including, but not limited to John McCain) is and has been well aware of BHO’s NBC issue prior to the election and have chosen to ignore it.
Perhaps you can fill in a few holes for me and some of the other readers here who have followed your story from the beginning, but are still in doubt of your credibility.
1) What first interested you in determining the birth location of BHO?
2) How were you informed or learned that he was not born in HI and subsequently obtained information that BHO was born in CPGH, Kenya?
3) At 29 years old, what do/did you do for a living that you found time to be able to vacation/private-eye in Congo, Uganda and ultimately in Kenya for 10+ days in Feb, 2009?
4) I’m retired and live in a third world country. $5k for a bribe? I’ve seen a lot more achieved for far less cash… and seems you would have been able to achieve your goal at a fraction of the price or at least attempted to initially bribe them with a lower sum of money… yet you just “present” the cash and got the results. If you dropped $5k down, these poor corrupt individuals would have been smart enough to take (or attempted to take) you for much more.
5) I’ve paid about $60 to do a pubic records background search on you in cedar rapids and found some interesting results. Is there anything you wish to share with the readers of the P&E about your past that could impact your credibility?
6) Has anyone from the government (Secret Service or FBI) approached you and questioned you regarding any information you have or documents that you are holding?
7) Finally… if you are holding BHO’s certified birth certificate from Kenya, how can you explain that you have not experienced any “unfortunate-fatal-accident” or been arrested by the FBI on some trumped up charges to keep your information secret or to silence you?
If I’m completely wrong about you, pls forgive the inquisition… and God speed in your endeavor. On the other hand, if your working for the US government and attempting to distract or mislead its citizens on the public dime… shame on you.
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Mrs. Rondeau replies: With all due respect, many of these questions have been answered by Mr. Smith both in comment format here and in the two radio interviews to which the article linked early on. I will publish this comment with the caveat that the discourse be inquiring as always, but respectful of the person to whom it was addressed.
Mr. Smith, I for one have always believed you and never doubted your work. I contemplated, too, the hours and money, and labor you would have spent .. all of your own resources, to mail out the letters to Congress,
not to mention the downloading time and energy involved. You are truly dedicated, just as Orly Taitz is in her profession, and if you find negativity, in some of the posters, it has to be due to having been scammed in the past, disappointed in failing cases, and having to endure the lies from supposedly reputable sources, namely
the Hawaiian hospital’s spokeswoman.
You are a beacon for us and 99% of us support you in this challenging task to overcome a person who should be in prison this very moment, but who has bought and threatened his way out of the justice system. When he finally goes down, America can breathe a sigh of relief and say, “Never AGAIN.”
It will be for a large part because of you and though you may not want to be, you will be one of the heroes of this time, along with LTC Lakin and a dozen others who have courageously demanded PROOF, not lies and deceit.
Merci, beaucoup from me to you.
And I also agree with what Robert wrote,
concerning your strategy in not releasing
some information at this time.
Good thinking.
Ditto what you said, Jan.
I do believe much of the negative chatter is a result of intense pressure and frustration felt by most here for
way toooooo looong
Hi Lucas,
many of the negative comments are possibly not from regular commenters here, but from trolls.
Divide and Conquer.
I have thought throughout the BC drama that somebody should do the very thing You did.
Also in Hawaii. At one point it might have been possible there too, not anymore.
Since I’ve been to some thirld world countries in South-East Asia and North Africa I find Your story very believable.
I had some issues with the date, but it could be that simple that Stanley Ann presented her passport and they wanted to keep everything the same way datewise. Who knows.
All the best for You, thank You for Your effort, God bless!
No, thank YOU, Lucas. LucyAm97, here. Stay safe, my good man.
I want to encourage you, Mr. Smith, to not give up due to some of the negative comments posted here.
Methinks some of them are out of envy that you were the one who brought forth the golden chalice which is so desperately needed to reveal the duplicity in our government.
Please don’t throw in the towel and give up because of these remarks. I consider myself intuitive when it comes to reading people, and I feel you are an honorable man who is trying to save our country by putting yourself on the line, just as LTC Lakin and others have done.
When you are a Crusader, you learn to take the flak with the flowers.
Constitutionally Ineligible; with no margin for error.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bp2kKNTjH70
A N D . . .
IF anyone wants indisputable proof (even to a liberal) that the legend in his own teleprompted mind is legally ineligible to be president, please send me a private message to me at
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001111066067&ref=ts
with your E-Mail address and I’ll send it to you, with supporting documents, signed by top democratic officials.
Cliffy 44,
I would like the documents you offer, but when I click on your link I get a “not found”
message.
If the link is in error would you please fix it?
Lucas Smith is a False Flag and a plant.
Nothing about his story or background make any sense just like BHO himself. What was his original motivation? LDS won’t release any of his travel information? Where did LDS receive $5k (in cash) for his bribe, and the funds for his adventure to the birthplace of BHO? Posted the document on EBAY? He says he had contacted member of congress and attorneys, any documented proof of that? He waits over a year/half before submitting such incredible “evidence” to members of congress (why not 18 months ago)?
Let’s not forget Lt. Harris was assassinated just for glancing at BHO’s passport records. All should be very suspect of this character as if he was the real deal with a “real” BHO birth certificate from Kenya, he’d had been a dead man within hours of revealing such “embarrassing” information about the usurper.
I read your website daily and much appreciate the hard work the P&E is doing to keep the information flowing, but I would have personally withheld this interview until LDS had produced more than just his word, IMHO.
I believe you’re right, Thomas Morato.
What TCMITS said is true, everyone took Nancy Pelosi’s word, no one else checked to verify his eligibility. Someone should take Nancy Pelosi to court to produce the eligibility papers she said she saw.
Also, everyone reading this should send a brief summary of this article and the link to their state’s ATTORNEY GENERAL. Just google their names and send.
This man will NOT have a chance at a second term … and he knows it.
I just checked FR and this article is still not posted. Could someone here find out what’s going on. It’s sad if the corruption has gotten to FR and we will no longer be able to use that site. If this does not post, I for one will not be visiting that site again.
Kathy,
I was the original “poster” of this article yesterday morning on FR.. There was also another person who tried to post the same article a few minutes after I did. In both cases, the article didn’t post. There is a comment here on P&E from Smith mentioning the fact that my post never did “make it out of moderation” on FR. I don’t know what,if anything is going on over there. I also opened a thread asking for some suggestions from other Freepers as to why my post wasn’t showing.There was about 15 or 16 responses to my “plea for help”. After my P&E Smith thread didn’t post I then tried to locate the responses but now all the responses and my “plea for help” was no longer on FR. Later in the evening, I tried to respond to another Freeper’s unrelated question but the response from me didn’t show up. I then tried to post a different thread from P&E about Fitzpatrick’s essay about “Bills of Attainder”. It, too apparently languished in the Moderation bin. when I got up this morning, I went to FR, and lo and behold, there was my response to that other Freeper and the thread about Fitzpatrick was also now posted………..but………regarding this particular article with Mrs. Rondeau’s interview of Mr. Smith, as you saw earlier this morning, it is still not posted.
I sent the FR webmaster an e-mail regarding this problem, but it was returned to me as undelivered.
Joe, …he will. You must understand at this point, He has enemies, and intelligence officers that would undermine his proof any way they could. But with-out specifics, they cannot counter. Simple, you leave the specifics when investigation comes, that way the defense is stuck trying to counter a current situation, with no long term guises, and lies, and cover stories to have ready. Do not give the defense a year to come up with an elaborate attempt to cover up. Let them try it before the people, and the investigators …etc. He HAS everything he needs, and knows it. He also knows THEY DO NOT! And …time will tell.
From one Robert to another…I agree with you!!
Re: Lakin case, just read that the military judge refused to allow any evidence or witnesses regarding Obama’s citizenship. Incredibly she put in her opinion that the reason was the “it would be an embarrassment to the President”. Assuming he would still be President following the document release. This is beyond incredible; not one judge in all those cases would allow anyone to discover evidence on this, even in a criminal case which might cause the incarceration of the defendant. What does that mean?
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Mrs. Rondeau replies: Lt. Cmdr. Fitzpatrick’s editorial explains that the U.S. Constitution has been suspended and that military law has replaced it with the full knowledge of the military. If we are governed by military law, then we have no constitutional rights.
MRS. SHARON RONDEAU:
You wrote, “Lt. Cmdr. Fitzpatrick’s editorial explains that the U.S. Constitution has been suspended…”
I searched site:thepostemail.com without success for the Walt Fitzpatrick editorial which you mentioned. Would you kindly post a link? Please and thank you.
And a huge thank you to Lucas Smith.
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Mrs. Rondeau replies: http://www.thepostemail.com/2010/09/05/where-is-the-u-s-constitution/
The 20th amendment requirement that the president elect be “qualified” by Congress before taking office (otherwise the VP is president until a new election can take place) was thwarted by Pelosi et al…there was NEVER ANY 20TH AMENDMENT QUALIFICATION OF PRES. ELECT OBAMA THUS HE IS NOT EVEN PRESIDENT AT ALL.
So if we are under military dictatorship and being quieted like sheep before the slaughter, it must be because we are being prepped for attack.
China’s defense minister said last week that 200 million Americans should be exterminated via biological means (to preserve infrastructure) and that China could withstand a nuclear retaliatory attack losing half its population because it could “reproduce itself”.
Obama has been doing everything he can as an international marxist puppet to disarm, bankrupt, kill off our military or consume them elsewhere, create border and barbarian islamization anarchy, create poverty, joblessness, kill off our energy industry and industrial base…to soften the USA up for easier attack or perhaps surrender.
Seventeen year-old young recruits and young officers have more integrity than the president of their nation.
Politicians came become president. Only leaders can effectively serve as Commander-in-Chief.
The Military’s Moral Dilemma
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=117857%3C/font%3E%3C/blockquote%3E%3C/font%3E%3C/blockquote%3E%3C/b%3E%3C/i%3E%3C/u%3E
Having this documentation given to all members of Congress, should make them take notice. To actually see a duplicated copy of a notarized birthday Certificate should have them up in arms and ready for a fight. Some of the democrats serving in Congress are beginning to see the light, and may find it is time to ask some hard questions. They can’t be blind to what is happening to our country.
For some undisclosed reason, all the judges we have seen are cowardly punting these cases out of court that makes Morten Andersen (NFL kicker), seems to be a weak kicker, yet he is not a punter either. The only judge with guts was judge Carter, who promised to hear the case presented in his court on its MERIT. That totally changed when Anita Dunn’s husband sent a clerk Carter’s way, causing him to make a 180-degree turn and punt the case out of court, exactly what other cowardly judges have done before!
I don’t understand why Lucas refuses to show one document that places him in Africa, preferably Kenya, when he got the document. He knows there will never be hearings or an investigation. At a minimum, he should have sent that proof to Congress and then to the public.
I am wondering why he had 5000 to spare on a trip like that. It seems like a lot of cash to travel with. He would have needed that money for his trip.
I don’t understand why he gave them time to get it, which he does not disclose. For 5 grand, I would have been standing over their shoulder.
It would be a heck of turn of events if Lucas has the real deal. But it sure would have been a long trip to the US from Kenya after having a baby.
Also, why ebay? There are bloggers and citizen journalists all over the ‘Net who’d gladly help make the discovery of the Kenyan BC widely known. At the very least, they’d help make the claim of possessing a Kenyan BC widely known. And almost every one of them would do it without asking for anything in return. They’d do it to help save their country; they’d do it because it’s the right thing to do.
Why no action with the Kenyan BC between July 2009 and August 2010? Laying low and waiting for people to forget the attempted ebay auction of the document that, if authentic, could be the piece of paper that saves the US from further destruction?
Honest question here: Were date stamps a reality in 1897? I’m not talking about the postage stamps. I’m talking about the date and MOMBASA encircled in black ink on the envelope. It looks like it was made from a rubber stamp that are availabe in office supply stores today.
I want to believe Smith. I want to believe that he’s got a copy of Oilbama’s authentic, original birth certificate that was issued when he was born. I really want to believe this but it just doesn’t add up right and it’s got the alarm on my BS detector blaring right now.
He says he obtained it in less than 45 minutes after showing the money. They could not have had time to forge it.
Mother could have taken a steam ship from Kenya after a short flight to the coast then on to steamship. You can fly with a baby but not at late stage pregnancy I would assume.
The bottom line is this, whether you believe Lucas Smith or not, it’s just one more piece of evidence that raises more questions. I personally believe his story. It sounds believable to me, he went in there and offered up a large amount of cash ($5K is a huge amount of money in Kenya) and they jumped at the opportunity to grab it. That’s how third world countries operate. If you’ve ever dealt with one you know. A desperate person in a poor country would literally sell his or her child for a few bucks. But that’s not the real point here. The real point is that we’re talking about a President who has paid millions to keep his history a secret. And that really tells the story. I’ve never been a conspiracy theorist and I’m certainly not a wing nut, just a regular guy who makes a judgment based on the facts as we know them. The biggest thing that sold me on Obama not being born in Hawaii was of course all the documented evidence we can see with our own eyes, but more importantly what was not said. During the election and over the past two years, NOT ONE PERSON has ever come forth to say that either they or their Mother, Father Sister, Brother, Friend or Acquaintance gave birth to or assisted in the Hawaii birth of Barack Obama. Think about it. As much as people have defended him it is truly beyond belief that there is not one single person who would step up and say “I was there”. These people in Hawaii defend him to the death yet they can’t produce a single individual who even remembers that it ever happened. Even the neighbor in the house next door to the address listed in the newspaper clipping who has been there for 60 years, doesn’t ever remember them. This was 1961 when racial tensions were high and yet this woman doesn’t remember a White woman next door giving birth to a Black baby??? Come on, that would have been the talk of the entire neighborhood back in 1961. If he was really born in HI in 1961 somebody would have claimed that they were there. Imagine, especially back when he was inaugurated, to be able to claim that you were the doctor or nurse or accomplice who gave birth to his majesty, the one, the messiah. For that reason alone, there is no way I could ever believe he was born in HI. So, people can call Lucas Smith a deceiver or a liar or whatever they want, but his story is more believable than Obama’s. I would put my money on the only person on this planet who recollects Obama’s birth and that’s his Grandmother, who said she was there when he was born in Kenya. If the mainstream media would just realize that while they are trying so hard to come up with reasons for Obama’s deteriorating popularity and poll numbers, it isn’t just because of the horrible destructive job he’s doing or the purposeful damage he is causing our great nation, it’s also in large part because people aren’t stupid. They read and for the most part nobody to this day knows who this guy really is. I don’t know anybody in my circle that isn’t aware of these questions. So they can say 20 or 30 % don’t believe him about his citizenship, I think they are kidding themselves, it’s got to be more like 70 or 80% or more. This Lakin case might ultimately be the breaking point because the people are paying attention and they are sick of this outrageous detachment of our judicial system from our Constitution. If the Government won’t ultimately deal with this issue, the people eventually will and that will be far from an embarrassment for Obama as this judge posed it, it will be a messy proposition.
WE NEED TO VOTE THESE LIARS AND TRAITORS OUT IN NOVEMBER.
Lets all HOPE and prey for some real CHANGE soon.
hi proudblackman, i really liked your comment, you bring up some really good points.
I hate how some people dismiss birthers as crazy without even giving our side of the story a chance. we actually have some possible evidence, why won’t people listen??? i don’t get it.
all i want is the truth, an investigation. is that too much to ask?
this lucas guy is going through a LOT of trouble if he’s just completely making this stuff up.
I sent Senator Tim Johnson a copy of obama’s kenyan bc over a year ago. He responded with a condescending letter saying I should not believe “internet rumors” and then quoted (what he considers) a reputable source: factcheck.com. and said I should believe factcheck. So I don’t think you’re going to get anywhere with that socialist senator.
Mr. Smith, I just looked through the SCRIBD copies for South Dakota and you have a copy sent to Rep. Sandlin but there is no copy of a certified letter being sent to Sen. Thune or to Sen. Johnson. Did you forget to send your material to the two Senators from South Dakota?
Hi South Dakotan,
Thank you for bringing this to my attention. I am checking now to see what went wrong. I will fix this problem, it might just be that the scans for the two letter in question got mixed in somewhere else accidentally. I will report on this soon. Thank you again.
Born a Brit, Illegit!
What a great poster slogan.
Historical Kudos for Daniel- one day, the world will know the truth- the question is “when”? Why did all of this happen? The Democrats were thoroughly corrupted already but what of the Republicans (especially McCain who refused to bring it up) who had ample time before the election to sound the alarm?
1st- We (the Republicans) believe we will defeat Obama- so we won’t mention Obama’s eligibility in order to not sound racist and get more votes. Plus, this issue will go away with McCain as President.
2nd- FoxNews refused to be labeled racist and put gag orders on their hosts before the election.
3rd- Obama won and no politician or news agency could now question his eligibility because all of us would ask “why didn’t you mention this before the election?- you are a coward and you must leave.” They deceive themselves now by thinking, “well, we will have riots if we overturn the election and no one will have faith in gov’t anymore. We can’t in good conscience do this to our beloved country. No, we must not ever admit that the eligibility question is worthwhile- it would create pandemonium and difficult questions we can’t answer. We would be labeled as racists by the liberals and cowards by the conservatives.” The judges say, “I’m not going to be the fall guy for congress failing to verify eligibility- they can address this and take the heat, not me, just one judge being hated by half the country.” Go back and look how nervous Justice Roberts was during the inauguration, flubbing his words- he knew he was doing something against his conscience.
4th- Mounting ineligibility evidence during Obama’s term is ignored by Fox and Republicans because to admit it now would kill them because it always leads back to the first question, “why didn’t you say something before the election?” They will simply give the same response they always have until the next presidential election when they believe a republican will win and this whole issue will not be relevant anymore- i.e. we the people will stop pushing it cause we’re happy with a conservative in the White House. They may have the same hopes of us dropping the issue this November when it appears conservatives will make gains.
In conclusion, we patriots and constitutionalists are hung out to dry with none to come to our defense from “crazy” and “birther” labels. Every politician/media outlet who said nothing and continues to say nothing or even gives misleading statements should be labeled a coward and sent home in disgrace. And I add (for our ruling elite reading this), that hoping for us all to drop this issue because of conservative gains in our gov’t is not going to happen. The truth will come out and you will be exposed. If you stop playing this denial game- that Obama has already presented his birth certificate- and speak the truth now- you may be saved and if you don’t act? You have taken part in the destruction of our constitution, our rule of law, and free America. When history books are written about the time when a foreigner was President of the US, your name will be in there listed as a treasonous accomplice as well. Congratulations on being politically correct and giving our country to evil, corrupt, and foreign power-mongers to destroy!
ThePostEmail and America, keep on pushing for the truth- we know we will have a much better country for it even if this simple idea eludes our leaders!
Alex
The reason that McCain did nothing was because the evidence suggests he was not eligible either but his pride got the best of him. He did show his birth certificate and it clearly lists his birthplace as Colon,Panama. That is not a US base or US soil of any kind. He was not eligible to the US presidency either.
So there was an agreement with SR 511, nonbinding, that one hand washed the other.
I am reminded of the old quote about pride going before the fall.
Sharon,
Thanks for the brilliant interview and the wonderful investigative work you are doing!
The GOP didn’t “out” Oilbama as ineligible because their party has been nominating ineligibles to campaign for candidate for POTUS for decades. See my responses to Jim (below).
I completely agree Alex about why McCain and Fox won’t come forward now, they have NO excuse why they didn’t bring it up before the election.
I am so sick of people asking why we didn’t do anything before he was elected. We did, no one would listen. He was “the one”, no one would dare question hiime being eligible then!!
I am embarressed to say that I have been involved since before the election, but I really didn’t have the guts to speak up too much about it to friends, etc. Since LTC Lakin’s case has been so mishandled, I am being more vocal.
Thank God for patriots like Lucas Smith, LTC Lakin and all the others that are sticking their necks out for the rest of us. May God have mercy on the souls that have been selling us down the river for money or whatever their reasons are….
B.O. Jr sets legal precedent if permitted to complete this term unchallenged by our “system” IT’S THE USURPERS-IN-TRAINING FOR WHOM THE AUDACIOUS ONE HAS PAVED THE WAY. THAT SHOULD REALLY FRIGHTEN US
Alex,
Excellent points. My own perception is that the whole federal structure is corrupt and our pathway out of this mess is via the state governments which created the federal government in the first place.
The states are sovereign, and they do have the ultimate control of the federal government.
http://www.thepostemail.com/2010/08/12/state-sovereignty/
100% agreement on that- the states should begin be going back to each state appointing its 2 senators to Capital Hill- that would provide great protection for state’s rights while letting the people still vote in their local reps to Congress. I know, it would be much more boring- we wouldn’t see all the mud-slinging on TV anymore and the local Representatives would have their debates right in your town- no need for national TV then in any of the races. The new senators would be beholding to their states once again. Is this too good to be true?
The republicans do have an out. They need to let Pelosi take the fall because she is the one who certified O’s eligibility. They did not see his bc but she supposedly did. They should now question her as to why she certified two different affadavits and only the one that was “constitutional” (?) went to Hawaii.
You may be right Chance, but there is a time frame on this out. So far, they are ignoring and sleeping on all evidence and when the whole iceberg is revealed (we only see the tip), it will be too late for Republicans to run forward and feign indignation at what has been done. Their chance to act is now.
BOB,
I’m into genealogy and I’m not totally convinced yet that the Lucas BC is authentic. However, in response to your reasoning,
Where did you learn that John Kwame Obongo was not an OB? Please don’t tell me factcheck.org.
White Pages in Arizona alone has over 100 listings for Robert E Lee! If John Obongo was a famous Kenyan it stands to reason that it could be a popular name among Kenyans. Isn’t it logical that a Supervisor of Obstetrics in 1961Kenya may have the name John Obongo?
Unless there is a printed volume somewhere in the offices of the British Medical Society in London with that name in it — none of the University libraries in this country that hold these records for that time period have the name of this doctor in them — And. my daughter is a university reference librarian.
Today, in the Congo, there is only 1 Obstetrician per population of 7 million. Their names are always very well-known. Therefore, unless someone else finds that name in the printed volume somewhere, I am unwilling to agree that Dr. John Kwame Odongo was an Obstetrician in Mombasa in 1961.
My own brother is a pediatrician who works in Africa and the United States, and knows doctors who have access to all of these records.
This appears to be a name pulled out of the air, and on the fly.
BOB,
Where is documentation to prove your statements?
Lucas Smith provided a recent news article about the daughter of Dr James Ang’awa, the attending doctor who signed the Kenyan BC.
http://allafrica.com/stories/201002010485.html
“During her reflection at a recent meeting to plan the 40th anniversary of the death (1970) of her father, she had no qualms about offering a pardon. “I have forgiven you,” she says is the message she has for the killer of Dr James Ang’awa.
One of the pioneer medical specialists in the country, Dr Ang’awa was hit on the head with a blunt object on Tom Mboya Street by an unknown assailant.”
This article was dated 30 January 2010, months after Mr. Smith’s revelation in 2009 so he could not have used it to formulate a fake document. I have to admit that this is compelling documentation that this doctor was not a name pulled out of the air.
Untill an actual certified hospital BC is received directly from a hospital somewhere and verified from the hospital directly this document from Lucas Smith means nothing…
Hmm, well with Odinga in charge, what do you think the odds of that happening are?
Would anybody confirm my memory of having read that sometimes between 2006 and 2008, the Kenyan secret police seized all the birth records of 1959 to 1961, from the archives of the said hospital. Such archives were later returned (minus a critical entry?).
Well, since we don’t know what the archives include, we don’t actually know whether the Kenyan authorities removed anything or not. Does anyone else know besides those Kenyan authorities? I certainly don’t.
Perhaps most people assumed that the seizing of CPGH records was to remove Barack Obama II’s records, but the seizing may have been to investigate the records, not purge them.
Here’s the thing, everyone, we probably have gotten (as a nation) what we deserve. Just look back and think how BO was voted for, young people not even understanding the importance of elections, voted for BO because they were receiving what? Concert tickets. Oh, wow, I’m getting a concert ticket, so I’ll vote for you.
Well, this just shows how ignorant and stupid our nation is. I’m talking as a whole, not everyone. So our creator is giving us exactly what we deserve. Thing is if you’ll notice, the more negative things that come up in the way of immoral issues, the more the other side fights against it. Right now it almost takes the negative side to bring forth the positive side.
Sorry, guys, that’s what it takes right now in this world. It’s the way that YHWH looks at what’s in the person’s mind and sees how he/she feels about it. It’s kind of like separating, I guess. Don’t know how to explain that. It doesn’t mean that the group fighting against immoral issues is pure or without sins, it just means that they understand the message and know the immoral acts will bring our country down…totally.
that’s the deal…..a deal,,, neither mc cain nor obama are natural born citizens mc cain was born in colongne panama…without congress making him a natural born citizen there is no standing…a natural born citizen;;;; DOES NOT NEED A SENATE VOTE,………….
Howdy.
You’re wrong about McCain. He was born on a Naval Base of TWO AMERICAN BORN PARENTS, there for he was QUALIFIED. But i didn’t vote for him either lol.
Semper Fi, Jim.
McCain wasn’t born on the base. When McCain was 11 months old, “…Congress passed a citizenship law applicable only to the Canal Zone, granting Senator McCain citizenship, but eleven months too late for him to be a citizen at birth.” http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1157621
Had he been born on the base or had Congress passed the citizenship law before he was born instead of afterward, there would have been no need to for the Senate to rush through the unConstitutional SR511.
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=sr110-511
PS: McCain’s first choice for running mate was Bobby Jindal, who declined McCain’s invitation.
http://www.nola.com/news/index.ssf/2008/11/governor_bobby_jindal_says_he.html
Because his parents didn’t become naturalized citizens until after he was born in Louisianna, Jindal isn’t eligible to serve as POTUS.
http://constitutionallyspeaking.wordpress.com/2009/10/24/hannity-probes-not-constitutionally-qualified-jindal-about-presidential-run/
But that doesn’t mean he’s not in the running for a nomination.
http://giveusliberty1776.blogspot.com/2010/05/its-earlybut-pleaselets-get-realjindal.html
PPS: The GOP has nominated ineligibles for president race primaries before, as well. Romney, who was born in Mexico to US citizen parents who had relocated to there so that they could practice polygamy. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,254362,00.html
Barry Goldwater was born in Pheonix before Arizona was a state. http://www.desertusa.com/mag99/june/papr/goldwater.html
I can remember those two off the top of my head but they weren’t the only two. There were others as well.
When it comes to the office of the POTUS and eligibility to serve, it’s apparent that both parties blew off Constitutional requirements many decades ago.
Jim —
The hospital that the McCain campaign wanted all of us to believe was where Senator McCain was born was not built until he was 6 years old and living in Connecticut.
The only available hospital was in the Republic of Panama. Further, his parents also lived in the Republic of Panama. This explains the gap in the otherwise impeccable records of the Panama Canal Health Department.
What was that? They only kept records of military personnel living on the Canal Zone.
Therefore, ALL of the contemporary evidence (not the stuff put out by Senator McCain’s campaign) is that he was born in the Republic of Panama while his parents were living in the Republic of Panama (and not on the Canal Zone!). Therefore, like Senator Obama, he is a ‘dual citizen’ of Panama, but unlike Senator Obama, he is a ‘naturalized citizen’ of the United States. He was NEVER a ‘natural-born Citizen!’ And, this has been the problem all along, why the Republicans remain silent about Obama.
Their own candidate was not eligible, either!
The name of the city in The Republic of Panama where John McCain was born is Colon, not Cologne. In McCain’s birth year the Canal Zone still existed and was very much a U.S. territory, defended by American police officers. Every official administrative organization within the Canal Zone was an official U.S. government entity, staffed by U.S. government civil service personnel, as well as local nationals. The Canal Zone also had it’s own hospital located at Coco Solo, which is also inside the Canal Zone. That makes McCain a U.S. citizen, eligible to be President. There is no need for Congress to do anything re McCain’s birth.
I spent about three and a half years in the former Canal Zone when I was on active duty in the Navy after Carter gave it back to Panama. By then it was no longer known as the Panama Canal Zone, just as Panama. My duty station (the building where I actually worked) was at Coco Solo. The city of Colon, Republic of Panama is just outside the former Canal Zone.
Are you the same Bob who posted a comment at 6:30am, listed just above your comment that I’m replying to now? If so, you’re arguing both sides of McCain’s status as NBC. If not, would one or both of you please add a middle initial or a number or something to your handle so we can tell you apart?
“That makes McCain a U.S. citizen, eligible to be President. There is no need for Congress to do anything re McCain’s birth.”
Then why did the Senate rush SR511 into law so that McCain could run as the GOP candidate?
The name Dr. John Kwame Odongo does NOT appear in any of the records of any British or Kenyan Medical Society that can be found in public records for the dates in question.
Obstetricians were hard to find in that part of the world, even during colonial days, so the absence of that name anywhere in the past records is very significant, and raises strong doubts about the authenticity of the document.
However, the name ‘John Odongo’ itself is very famous and well-known in that part of the world, since he was a famous ‘revolutionary leader!’
I wrote over at Citizen Wells that this would almost like receiving a genuine ‘birth certificate,’ but it was signed by ‘Robert E. Lee.’
Most people would think something was wrong with it right away — or at least they should have.
Otherwise, other things about this Birth Certificate — the doctor, the hospital and the geography, those things do seem to be verifiable, but NOT the name of the Obstetrician!
SR511 is evidence of the “deal” McCain was given a pass by the Dem investigation into his eligibility and because he and the GOP leadership knew or was led to believe that he was on shaky ground they agreed to give Obama a pass in return-honor among thieves.
Thank you Lucas Daniel Smith for your Patriotic duty and dedication. I am a Birther and PROUD of it.
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Thank you Lucas. I have always believed you. My instincts have always been right and I have been following all the evidence.
Sorry, I need to Thank Sharon Too and all at Post email. I am most grateful for all you have done.
Do you think we should write our congress peeps and say something like “by now you should have received documentation from Lucas Smith” —- That would back him up if thousands of us did that; wouldn’t it?
This Lucas Smith is a little scary as far as I’m concerned! We all know he has a checkered past so let’s not let our desires overpower our common sense! Sure this guy can swear under oath that he “believes” the birth certificate is real, but if it’s not, there’s nothing they can do to Lucas because he only swore he “believed” it was real and not that it was real!
I surely would have liked to have seen at least a copy of his Passport to prove he was there! I am cautiously optomistic, but not holding my breath!
For God and Country!
That’s the thing, he swore, and swearing an oath is serious. Obviously our congress, some of the military, the president and others don’t think swearing an oath is serious at all. It’s no problem for them if it’s broken. But if Mr. Smith knows that swearing an oath is serious, and understands it as well, then that can be huge problems for him. This seems to be a huge problem for people in our nation not understanding the importance of speaking truth and swearing an oath that it is the truth.
Also, how can his BC copy be any more legit or non-legit than the COLB? His has more information on it for one thing, which shows that they both have to be investigated.
Either way, you have a copy of possibly a fraudulent COLB, then you have a possible BC. So they need to do an intense investigation of both of these documents to prove which one is correct and which one isn’t. Just on face value, you can’t prove anything. It’s just that the copy that Mr. Smith has absolutely has more info on it.
What checkered past? I have heard nothing like that at all and I have been following him?
past charges for forgery , passing bad checks, violence, and apparently was involved in some sort of scheme to sell one of his kidneys to some desperate dude but when the prospective recipient didn’t cough up the dough in time or somehow didn’t satisfy Smith’s demands –the “gift of life” was withheld.
Of course, we’d all love for this tale to be true but my God a photo, a receipt, anything from your epic journey please. And traipsing around the Dark Continent with 5 G’s in your pocket
There is other circumstantial evidence that Obama was born in Mombasa, Kenya.
A former U.S. Marine posted late in 2009 to a web site (the identity of which I cannot now recall) that he had met Barack Obama in a bookstore in Honolulu shortly after the Marine had returned from a WestPac deployment. As I recall the year of this encounter was 1981.
He and Obama engaged in a casual conversation in the bookstore, during which Obama asked the Marine where he had been on his deployment. The Marine mentioned a port call at Mombasa, Kenya, whereupon Barack Obama stated that he had been born in Mombasa.
This same U.S. Marine later called in to a radio talk show to which I was listening, and repeated the same story, emphasizing that he was certain that the person he spoke with in Honolulu was in fact Barack Obama, and that he was certain that Obama stated that he was born in Mombasa, Kenya.
Perhaps somebody can locate either the internet posting or the audio file of his call-in to the talk radio program.
This story would be much more useful if the guy who came up with it was not a zealous opponent of Obama and everything Obama stands for. (I know that to be a fact, but I will not disclose his identity.)
Is this a true story, or something made up after the fact? The former marine could have actually had the conversation with young Obama, or he could have dreamed that he once had the conversation, or he could have made it all up. Problem is, we will never know.
Let’s stick to what we can prove. I think that is the way to arrive at the truth.
You are right. I remember that too.
I wonder if this marine is Race Bannon? Check out http://www.thepostemail.com/2009/12/03/obama-in-1980-said-he-was-born-in-mombasa-kenya/ sometime for the Post & Email story.
I’m 99% certain that Oilbama was born in Kenya. Even if I were to learn that Smith’s claim to be in possession of a copy of the BC, I would still be 99% certain that Oilbama was born in Kenya.
The last sentence of the comment posted at 12:33pm should read: Even if I were to learn that Smith’s claim to be in possession of a copy of the BC are false, I would still be 99% certain that Oilbama was born in Kenya.
If members of congress are neglecting their duty to investigate the matter of Obama’s eligibility because they have been blackmailed or threatened, then they need to go. All of them – now. If they can be intimidated or blackmailed into compliance regarding this, then the same can – and will – happen with everything Obama wants done. If blackmail or intimidation has happened, then congress is tainted and cannot be trusted with the decisions of our country. Yes, some of them are true patriots and it is unfortunate they have been caught in this web, but we must think of our country first. We cannot let the few corrupt the whole.
Remember: Put a teaspoon of sewage in a vat of good wine and the whole vat becomes sewage. Put a teaspoon of good wine in a vat of sewage and you still have a vat of sewage.
I have since the day in Sept. 2008 when the big secret in congress when Chris Dodd said it was so terrible he could not repeat it. That is when they decided to do the BIG STIMULUS. I have thought from that day, somebody told us Obama would be president. Who is holding us hostage????????????????????
even if we are not 100 per cent sure this b. c. is real . obama has nothing signed. at least the kenyan b. c. has signatures and the hospital name. congress needs to hold a hearing and tell obama this is what we have on you now what can you provide other than this b. c. ? it also has a doctors signature.
did a copy of the kenyan b. c. go to every senator also?
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Mrs. Rondeau replies: My understanding is that a copy went to all 535 members of the House and Senate.
The Scribd archive of the mailing does not include copies of the BC.
Of course, I didn’t check all 3400+ pages for stray copies, so don’t hold me to that 100%.
I sent my congressman a copy of the envelope and receipt so he knows my family knows he has a copy of the letter! I told him he better act on the information but at the most that is only 12 votes! It took me a while to find it on SCRIBE but I did my part! Everyone should do the same!
This story must be a real hot potato! I attempted to post your Lucas Smith interview on Free Republic but it was pulled.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2583692/posts
I guess Free Republic isn’t.
Jonah,
I, and another Freeper tried to open a new thread on FR but like you we were summarily dismissed without a good reason……..or even any reason other than the moderator told me the link I placed in the thread was faulty. Someone else has successfully posted this article on FR but they didn’t mention the P&E connection in the title block. they did insert the URL to this site. so “at the end of the day” others now know of this interview. Like you, I am disappointed FR has resorted to what may loosely be termed censorship of some kind
An interesting interview. I’m glad to see Lucas Smith has finally got around to getting the BC he obtained authenticated/certified, but those files are too big, they just make my computer crash. Can someone tell me who the BC was authenticated by, please? I hope that person and/or organisation are prepared for what is to come!
I personally find it hard to forgive Smith for his despicible treatment of Dr Taitz
I remain convinced that disgusting affadivit he sent the court undermined her with Judge Carter, but perhaps this will redeem him.
Perhaps Mr. Smith would step up and help Col. Terry Lakin.
It appears that a Freeper (might have been “MODELSHIP”) over at Freerepublic attempted to start a new thread:
“Lucas Daniel Smith in an interview with Post % Email’ Sharon rondeau”
http://209.157.64.201/focus/f-bloggers/2583684/posts
However, it’s been pulled by an the Admin Mod.
Yep. it’s true……….I posted, and went to the blog and saw the post. after a few seconds it was gone………then I went back a few minutes later and saw someone else had posted the same article.. then after a few seconds that post ,too, was gone. The moderator sent me a note saying the link didn’t work so they pulled the post. I re-tried the link and it worked for me. then I re-posted and that never reached the main page. There was about 15 or 16 responses regarding my follow-on “Plea for help” with several people suggesting different reasons for the problem.Finally, when I tried to locate the original thread and these responses, I could no longer find them…..I just want to keep the “juices flowing” on the net and have had no problems posting on FR in the past…whether from other sites or Post & Email… I like the blog and it is my default home page… Sure sorry if I stepped on anyone’s toes by violating some sort of copyright rule. purely unintentional…
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well it must make someone nervous if it keeps getting pulled. i had doubts about its authenticity before but not after the freeper response.
“past charges of forgery, bad checks, violence,” affect the credibility of his testimony.
If (God forbid) he is assassinated, his testimony will be sealed with his blood. Then we will KNOW Lucas Smith was telling the truth.
I’m inclined to believe this BC is the real deal. The skeptics posting minutiae here to discredit it don’t even seem to convince themselves.
The skeptics posting minutiae here to discredit it don’t even seem to convince themselves.
“Minutiae?” You mean like this: “The name Dr. John Kwame Odongo does NOT appear in any of the records of any British or Kenyan Medical Society that can be found in public records for the dates in question.” Or putting the document up for bid on ebay? Still not having been “disappeared” or otherwise silenced more than a year after informing the public and the powers that be of his having possession of the document? Letting more than a year pass before finally getting copies of the document to congress critters? Are these details, among many others, mere minutiae to you?
Huh. Piles of minutiae like that are why we know Oilbama’s a fraud and a liar. How about that?
“I have a plethora of documentation which puts me in the following countries in February of 2009: Democratic Republic of the Congo, The People’s Republic of the Congo, Uganda and Kenya. I will provide this documentation in person to both Congress and attorneys. I will not distribute electronic copies of this documentation until the documentation has been reviewed by members of Congress or disclosed during Congressional investigations/hearings or entered in as evidence in eligibility litigation here in the United States or the United Kingdom.”
A plethora of undisclosed documentation is a claim. That’s all! Why not release proof? Why should anyone accept Smith’s word alone?
Just because a document contains information that is supported by reference books and postage stamps, that doesn’t do anything to support the source of the document. It only supports that the document complies with history. Smith says that he traveled to Africa to perform research about some legendary creature. Did he forget to bring a camera? Who travels to Africa without a camera?
What information on the certificate that was allegedly obtained by Smith could not have been created by someone who is knowledgeable in Kenyan history and graghic art?
The burden to support the authenticity of this document is on Smith. Could the document have been created by someone who never traveled to Kenya? It sure could. Has Smith provided any proof of his travel? No.
>>>2. How long were you in Kenya before you approached hospital personnel about obtaining Obama’s record?
“Less than 10 days.”
That could be anywhere from 1 minute to 9 days. Is Smith afraid that he does not yet have documentation that would conform to his story?
“I am not, at this time, disclosing to the public the specific time allotment.”
Why not? What possible reason could there be for not disclosing the amount of time?
“I never had any intentions of selling the document.”
Smith (or the eBay user whose account he was using) entered into a contract with eBay and with registered bidders of eBay, but had no intention of honoring his contract? That gives me a warm fuzzy feeling about Smith’s integrity.
I think what Lucas is doing great. That some people believe he should be handling certain things in a different way from what he is choosing does nothing to discredit Mr. Smith or Obama’s Kenyan BC.
I heard from people who were present at the Judge Carter eligibility lawsuit, dismissed due to “lack of standing”, that Obama’s lawyers “went ballistic” when they briefly thought that Smith’s Mombasa, Kenya Obama BC was going to be allowed as evidence.
with this crew why not keep all your cards to yourself.
“A plethora of undisclosed documentation is a claim. That’s all! Why not release proof? Why should anyone accept Smith’s word alone?”
A plethora of undisclosed documentation (birth certificate, baptismal certificate, elementary school registration, college transcripts, selective service registration, social security application, senate records, etc.) comprise Obama’s history to date. All are simply “a claim. That’s all!”
“Why not release PROOF? Why should anyone accept” Obama’s “word alone?”
Why, indeed?
Especially when the person in question is bound by solemn oath to honor and uphold the Constitution, (unlike Mr. Smith). What does that say about Obama’s “integrity?”
I take issue with your statement that “The burden to support the authenticity of this document is on Smith.”
What else could Smith do to support the authenticity of the document? He agreed to testify under penalty of perjury many months ago, and to provide the original birth certificate as well as to provide, in due course, related documentation to support the story of his acquisition of the document. Moreover, Mr. Smith exposed himself to further charges if the documents he has provided to members of Congress are false.
There is no legally-admissible conclusive evidence of Obama’s true origins, in spite of numerous extensive efforts to locate and verify such evidence. Moreover, it is clear to the most naive observer that there has been a massive effort by Obama’s agents to put a lid on this matter in the press, and to spare no effort legally to block access to, and to frustrate all attempts to uncover, any document which might shed light on the many questions about Obama’s origins and background.
Is not this extraordinary secrecy extremely unusual, and even strange, in the case of a person purporting to legitimately hold the office of president of the United States?
For this reason alone, and given the extreme danger to the security of this nation arising from the existence of a probable impostor in the White House, any essential eligibility document which reaches a threshold level of veracity and reliability must be examined. There is no basis to assert that the Kenyan birth certificate in the possession of Lucas Smith fails to reach such a threshold.
A situation of similar consequence arose in connection with the early warnings of the attack on Pearl Harbor. At the time, nobody could conceive of such a thing happening. Yet looking back, historians can see clearly that all the evidence pointed to the likelihood of such an attack. The refusal of the skeptics in 1941 to treat the warnings about Japan’s intentions with the seriousness that they deserved led to a historic tragedy for this nation.
I believe that our nation is now experiencing another historic tragedy as a result of the greatest hoax ever carried out against the American people.
We now have a mountain of circumstantial evidence that something is seriously wrong concerning the legitimacy of the 2008 presidential election. We cannot afford to wait any longer for the truth to finally emerge, as it surely will. We must insist that this document and its possessor be subjected to intense examination as soon as possible before even more serious damage is done to our nation.
The advantage of establishing a foreign birth for Obama is that it ends the dispute conclusively, while the parental citizenship element of the Article II requirements will not be accepted by Obama’s supporters short of a Supreme Court decision.
The consequences for this nation grow more serious as this situation continues.
You are absolutely correct. There is no “absolute proof” that the birth certificate Smith has is authentic just as you cannot offer “absolute proof” your own birth certificate is authentic unless the footprint/handprint is compared. Obama won’t allow that. The birth certificate Smith is showing has a footprint whereas Obama’s phony one does not.
What is so hard here? Smith produces the birth certificate in his possession to the court. Obama is ordered to produce his own birth certificate. If Obama shows nothing, then Smith’s will be accepted as the authentic one unless Obama proves it wrong by allowing footprint comparison. The whole thing shouldn’t take more than 15 minutes of the court’s time. It is up to Obama to produce proof just as it is up to us to provide proof of our citizenship when asked to do so. I am tired of seeing my tax dollars and other people’s money and time spent on this huge waste of our resources, not to mention the hole Obama is digging us into is getting deeper every day.
All you people who say we should “demand” to see Obama’s birth certificate forget to tell us exactly how to do that. Call our congressman? Call a lawyer? Call the Supreme Court? Call Obama? Call 9-1-1? Then who? I and a few million other people would love to hear your plan.
“We now have a mountain of circumstantial evidence that something is seriously wrong concerning the legitimacy of the 2008 presidential election”
Circumstantial? Nothing circumstantial about the facts… BHO admits his father is a Kenyan citizen (never naturalized in the US), the State Departments acknowledges BHO is a “dual citizen,” and BHO has never released to the public an authentic Long Form Birth Certificate.
The evidence and facts are there to remove him. Who’s going to do it is the question?
This is a good interview. I think that if the members of congress keep ignoring it, sooner or later it will come up and bite them.
Article II, Section 1, Clause 5: No person except a natural-born citizen …shall be eligible to the office of President.
The issue of whether or not Obama is “eligible to the office of President” depends upon whether or not he is an Article II “natural born citizen” of the United States.
The phrase “natural born citizen” “must be interpreted in the light of the common law, the principles and history of which were familiarly known to the framers of the Constitution”.
United States v. Wong Kim Ark., 18 S. Ct. 456, 169 U.S. 649 (U.S. 03/28/1898)
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[16] The Constitution nowhere defines the meaning of these words [“citizen of the United States,” and “natural-born citizen of the United States”], either by way of inclusion or of exclusion, except in so far as this is done by the affirmative declaration that “all persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States.” In this, as in other respects, it [The Constitution] must be interpreted in the light of the common law, the principles and history of which were familiarly known to the framers of the Constitution. Minor v. Happersett, 21 Wall. 162 [At common law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Minor v. Happersett, 88 U.S. 21 Wall. 162 (1874]; Ex parte Wilson, 114 U.S. 417, 422; Boyd v. United States, 116 U.S. 616, 624, 625; Smith v. Alabama, 124 U.S. 465. The language of the Constitution, as has been well said, could not be understood without reference to the common law. 1 Kent Com. 336; Bradley, J., in Moore v. United States, 91 U.S. 270, 274.
The “common law, the principles and history of which were familiarly known to the framers of the Constitution” was plainly expressed by the Supreme Court of the United States in the dissenting opinion of Scott v. Sandford, which quoted Vattel, and explicitly stated, “The natives or natural-born citizens are those born in the country of parents who are citizens…”
Scott v. Sandford, 60 U.S. 393 (U.S. 01/02/1856)
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[418] …The natives or natural-born citizens are those born in the country of parents who are citizens…
Furthermore, the Supreme Court of the United States in 1814 relied upon Vattel’s “Law of Nations” as the authority on citizenship issues, and stated in The Venus, “The natives, or indigenes [natural-born citizens], are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens.”
The Venus, 12 U.S. (8 Cranch) 253, 1814
“Vattel, …is more explicit and more satisfactory on it [CITIZENSHIP ISSUES] than any other whose work has fallen into my hands, [Vattel] says, ‘…The natives, or indigenes [natural-born citizens], are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens.’ ”
Vattel’s Law of Nations: § 212. Citizens and natives
…The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens.
Finally, the Supreme Court of the United States, in Minor v. Happersett, confirmed the definition of a “natural born citizen” as “children born in a country of parents who were its citizens”.
Minor v. Happersett, 88 U.S. 21 Wall. 162 (1874)
“ ‘No person except a natural-born citizen …shall be eligible to the office of President’… The Constitution does not in words say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners.”
Simply put, Article II “natural born citizens” are those citizens who are “born in the country, of parents who are citizens.”
Hence, Obama is not an Article II “natural born citizen” of the United States, even if he was born in Hawaii, as his father was a “foreigner”…
To reiterate, Obama’s father was not a citizen of the United States.
Therefore, Obama is not an Article II “natural born citizen” of the United States.
Thus, Obama is not “eligible to the office of President”.
Well that is good and more convincing than the C.O.L.B. that OBAMA posted on his website , but , If the members of Congress are either being blackmailed or paid-off ( bribes ) then this will not do to much @ all
It’s hard to imagine that Republicans and Democrats made a deal on this, but what else should we believe in light of their refusal to even comment on it?
They all took Nancy Pelosi’s word on it. I read a report that all the state attorney’s general have admitted that they did not personally certify his eligibility . They took Nancy Pelosi’s word . She is the one who submitted the false documentation. If this is proven,, I hope she goes to JAIL.