Update: Selective Service responds, but fails to answer additional FOIA requests

AFTER RESPONDING PROMPTLY LAST MONTH, WHY HAVE THEY NOW GONE MUM?

by Sharon Rondeau

Is the Selective Service System in lockdown about Obama's records as his story continues to implode?

(Jun. 30, 2010) — The Post & Email reported earlier this month on its investigation into the purported Selective Service registration documents belonging to Barack Hussein Obama.  Two requests made last month were answered within days, the first by standard mail with documentation enclosed, and the second by email the day after it was made.

However, now the Selective Service System refuses to respond to our requests.  Relating to our previous report here, on Tuesday, June 8, The Post & Email sent the following (thanks to reader JeanWTPUSA for the research):

From: Sharon Rondeau
Date:
Tuesday, June 08, 2010 10:32 PM
To:
information@sss.gov
Subject: SELECTIVE SERVICE QUESTIONS

I have another FOIA information request.  I found the following on the Selective Service:  http://law.justia.com/us/cfr/title32/32-6.2.2.19.11.html#32:6.2.2.19.11.0.8.2 which states that there was a 1-A classification as opposed to 1H.  There are two dates on the linked page, 1982 and 1987.  Were the Selective Service classifications changed in 1982?  Your previous letter to me indicated that everyone was classified as 1H, but perhaps that was before 1982.

Also, in your letter you indicated that Obama had presented identification when he registered for the Selective service in 1980.  Why, then, is the box on the registration form labeled “No ID” checked off?  Is there a way to register for the Selective Service without identification?  If not, why is that box on the form?

Which pieces of identification are required to register for the Selective Service, and have the requirements changed since 1980?

You might have seen this report from December 2008:  http://www.debbieschlussel.com/4428/exclusive-did-next-commander-in-chief-falsify-selective-service-registration-never-actually-register-obamas-draft-registration-raises-serious-questions/ which shows a computer printout that is different from that which I received from you.  The one in the aforementioned blog post has a different title, says “PAGE 001 OF 002,” and reveals his address, whereas the one I received from you does not and says “PAGE 001 OF 001.”  Mine also does not have the field “TRANS-CODE/TYPE:”

Also, the “LAST ACTION DATE” on the computer printout on the blogger’s form says “09/04/80”, and on mine it is “06/25/91.”

The DLN number that the other requester received is different from mine.  Are there two different files on Barack Hussein Obama?

Thank you very much.

Sharon Rondeau

Although the message was opened, no response was received, so on June 11, the following email was sent:

From: Sharon Rondeau
Date:
Friday, June 11, 2010 9:39 AM
To:
information@sss.gov
Subject:
FOIA REQUEST

I am resending this email because I neglected to provide you with my mailing address. Thank you.

The above email was then repeated.

Again, the message was opened but not answered, so the following letter was sent by standard mail to the individual at the address which had appeared on the envelope in which the documentation arrived:

June 18, 2010

Mr. Daniel Amon
Public Affairs Specialist
Selective Service System
National Headquarters
Arlington, VA 22209-2425

RE: REQUEST UNDER THE FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT (FOIA)

I found the following on the Selective Service: http://law.justia.com/us/cfr/title32/32-6.2.2.19.11.html#32:6.2.2.19.11.0.8.2 which states that there was a 1-A classification as opposed to 1H, at least at that time.  There are two dates on the linked page, 1982 and 1987.  Were the Selective Service classifications changed in 1982?  Your previous letter indicated that everyone was classified as 1H, but perhaps that was before 1982.

Also, in your letter you indicated that Barack Hussein Obama II had presented identification when he registered for the Selective service in 1980.  Why, then, is the box on the registration form labeled “No ID” checked off?  Is there a way to register for the Selective Service without identification?  If not, why is that box on the form?

Which pieces of identification are required to register for the Selective Service, and have the requirements changed since 1980?

You might have seen this report from December 2008:  http://www.debbieschlussel.com/4428/exclusive-did-next-commander-in-chief-falsify-selective-service-registration-never-actually-register-obamas-draft-registration-raises-serious-questions/ which shows a computer printout that is different from that which I received from you.  The one in the aforementioned blog post has a different title, shows “PAGE 001 OF 002,” and reveals his address, whereas the one I received from you does not and indicates “PAGE 001 OF 001.”  Mine does not have the field “TRANS-CODE/TYPE:”

Also, the “LAST ACTION DATE” on the computer printout on the blogger’s form says “09/04/80”, and on mine it is “06/25/91.”

The DLN number that the other requester received is different from mine.  Are there two different files on Barack Hussein Obama?  Why would there be two different computer printouts on the same person?

Thank you very much.

Sincerely,

Sharon Rondeau

The Department of Justice Office of Information and Privacy web page states that FOIA requests must be responded to within 20 working days:

The requirements for making a proper FOIA request are relatively simple. The FOIA provides that requesters must “reasonably describe” the records they are seeking, and that requests must be “made in accordance with published rules stating the time, place, fees (if any), and procedures to be followed.” 5 U.S.C. § 552(a)(3)(A) (2006), amended by OPEN Government Act of 2007, Pub. L. No. 110-175, 121 Stat. 2524. If a request reasonably describes the records sought, is made in compliance with the agency’s regulations, and is directed to the proper FOIA office within the agency, the twenty working-day response period will begin to run upon its receipt. If the request is otherwise properly made, but is misdirected within the agency, the receiving FOIA office, provided it is designated by the agency’s regulations to receive requests, will route the request to the proper FOIA office within the agency, and the twenty working-day response period will begin to run not later than ten days after receipt by the receiving FOIA office. See FOIA Post, “New Requirement to Route Misdirected FOIA Requests” (posted 11/18/2008).

No one from the Selective Service System has claimed that our latest requests were not “made in accordance with published rules stating the time, place, fees (if any), and procedures to be followed,” nor that they did not “reasonably describe” the records sought.  While a few days remain to satisfy the “20 working days” time frame, The Post & Email is predicting that there will be no response.

Correction: We predicted incorrectly.  The following response from Mr. Daniel Amon was received today, June 30, 2010, and reads as follows:

June 25, 2010

Ms. Sharon Rondeau
Address Redacted

Dear Ms. Rondeau:

This is in response to [sic] latest Freedom of Information Act inquiry regarding President Obama’s Selective Service records, dated June 18, 2010.

In our previous letter, we stated the following:

The “1H” status assigned to him at the time was not, strictly speaking, a “classification.”  Selective Service has not classified registrants since the draft ended in the mid-’70s.  However, since that time, “1H” has been assigned to everyone as a catch-all classification.  It was not assigned to Mr. Obama as the result of any action on his part, and there is no related “documentation.”  The formal description of “1H” is “Registrant not currently subject to processing for induction or alternative service.”

That information still stands.

Although postal clerks in the past may have asked registrants for identification, it would have been a matter of individual initiative.  Regardless, all files are eventually matched against records provided by the Social Security Administration.

We are unable to answer your remaining questions.

Sincerely,

Daniel Amon
Public Affairs Specialist

In 1975, President Ford terminated the requirement for Selective Service registration, but President Carter renewed them in 1980 with Proclamation 4771, which applied to men born in 1960 and after.  Currently, “all male U.S. citizens are required to register with Selective Service within 30 days of their 18th birthday. In addition, foreign males between the ages of 18 and 25 living in the United States must register. This includes permanent residents (holders of Green Cards), refugees, asylees, dual citizens, and illegal aliens. Foreign males in the United States as lawful non-immigrants (international students, visitors, diplomats, etc.) are not required to register.”

A page from the Selective Service System describes the “1H’ grouping as an “Active Registrant (*All registrants currently in the database have this classification)” which could be interpreted as the “catch-all classification” to which Mr. Amon refers in both of his letters.  He had said that “The formal description of ‘1H’ is ‘Registrant not currently subject to processing for induction or alternative service.'”   Perhaps these two descriptions mean the same thing.

However, the following information is found in the Selective Service System online registrant booklet which appears to sort registrants into categories and therefore refute Mr. Amon’s statement that classifications are not used:

When a registrant’s Random Sequence Number is reached, he will be assigned to a Local Board and Area Office serving the area of his residence currently on file with Selective Service at that time. The selected registrant will be mailed an Order to Report for Armed Forces Examination. If he is found acceptable for military service, a Notice of Acceptability, along with a Registrant Claim Form, will be mailed to him which will include instructions on when, how, and where to file a claim for reclassification. A registrant found unacceptable for military service will be administratively reclassified into Class 4-F.

Certain claims (1-A-O, 1-O, 2-D, 3-A, and 4-D) must be decided initially by the Local Board. All others will be administratively granted or denied by Selective Service Area Office personnel.

And farther down the same page is this:

Class 1-A: Available for unrestricted military service

Class 1-A-O: Conscientious objector available for noncombatant military service only

Class 1-O: Conscientious objector to all military service

Class 1-O-S: Conscientious objector to all military service (separated/discharged from military service)

Class 2-D: Registrants deferred because of study preparing for the ministry

Class 3-A: Registrants deferred because of hardship to dependents

Class 3-A-S: Registrants deferred because of hardship to dependents (separated/discharged from military service)

Class 4-D: Minister of religion

Class 1-D-D: Deferment for certain members of a reserve component or student taking military training

Class 4-B: Official deferred by law

Class 4-C: Alien or dual national

Class 4-G: Registrants exempted from service because of the death of his parent or sibling while serving in the Armed Forces or whose parent or sibling is in a captured or missing in action status

Class 4-A: Registrants who have completed military service

Class 4-A-A: Registrants who have performed military service for a foreign nation

Class 4-W: Registrants who have completed alternative service in lieu of induction

Class 1-D-E: Exemption of certain members of a reserve component or student taking military training

Class 1-C: Members of the Armed Forces of the United States, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, or the Public Health Service

Class 1-W: Conscientious objector ordered to perform alternative service in lieu of induction

Class 4-T: Treaty alien

Class 4-F: Registrants not acceptable for military service

Class 1-H: Registrants not subject to processing for induction

Other sources also still use the term “classification” in regard to Selective Service registration.

Under “Classifications,” Wikipedia describes the “1H” status from 1948 to 1975 as:

Registrant Not Subject to Processing for Induction. Registrant is not subject to processing for induction until a draft is enacted. All current registrants are classified 1-H until they reach the age of exemption. They then receive the classification of 5-A.

Another source states that a “1H” classification during the 1960s indicated that the registrant “is not subject to processing for induction.” As shown above, the Selective Service website currently says the same thing.  If the “1H’ classification existed through 1975, as Wikipedia indicates, and exists today, as the Selective Service System indicates, and is described in both instances as “Registrants not subject to processing for induction,” what did a “1H” classification mean in 1980?  Was everyone initially placed in that category and then reclassified later?

Does a “1H” classification mean “Registrant not subject to processing for induction” or “active registrant”?  Have all registrants since 1980 been automatically classified as “1H”?  Even Mr. Amon admitted in his letter that “1H” was “a catch-all classification.”  There obviously are other “classifications.”

WorldNetDaily had reported that the social security number currently in use by Obama yields “a valid Selective Service number.”  They had also reported that numerous error messages had resulted from subsequent searches using the same social security number.

Today, The Post & Email’s search of the Selective Service database yields the following information:

Selective Service Record Search Results
Search Criteria
Last Name: Obama

Social Security Number: *** – ** – 4425

Date of Birth: 08/04/1961

Matched Record
Selective Service Number:

61-1125539-1

Date of Registration

9/4/1980

To obtain written proof of Selective Service registration CLICK HERE and follow the instructions on our “Registration Information” page.

Also, Mr. Amon stated in his first letter that Obama “completed the forms at a local post office.”  How does he know that?

Is Obama’s purported registration even valid, given that the social security number entered into the Selective Service database was apparently issued in Connecticut, where Obama never lived or worked?  What number did Obama use in 1980, if in fact he registered?  Wouldn’t it have raised flags that a young man registering for the Selective Service in Hawaii with a Hawaii address (as shown on the recipient in Debbie Schlussel’s article) and supposedly submitting proof of his birth in Hawaii was using a social security number issued in Connecticut?  Did Obama really even register, or has a Selective Service record been created for him?

Letter received June 30, 2010 from Mr. Daniel Amon of the Selective Service System in which he states that he cannot answer our questions about differences found in Obama's purported records between one recipient and another or whether or not a person can have two records.

Is there anyone in our readership who registered for the Selective Service in 1980 who still has his registration documents?

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17 Responses to "Update: Selective Service responds, but fails to answer additional FOIA requests"

  1. Margie   Tuesday, July 6, 2010 at 1:15 PM

    No one has been classified as anything but 1H since they ended the draft in 1973.

    To classify men, they would have to have a physical and appear before the draft board.

    The Govt. isn’t going to pay for that when there is no reason to – no draft.

  2. Margie   Tuesday, July 6, 2010 at 12:52 PM

    “How did they know that the registrant was not a relative, friend, or other imposter?”

    They don’t know and they don’t care. I got the card from the PO, filled it out, shoved it in front of my son, said “sign it” and dropped it in the mail.

    Now you can register online. No ID needed. Just a SSN.

  3. Laura Price   Thursday, July 1, 2010 at 8:58 AM

    For a person born in 1961, it would not be unusual to have a SSN that was issued in a state different from where the person was born. Back then, SSNs were not issued at birth as they are today. I was born in one state in 1963, but have a SSN issued around 1979 in Texas, where I was living when I obtained my SSN. So the Selective Service would not think it out of the ordinary for a “Hawaiian-born” man to register with a SSN issued in Connecticut. Now, why Obama has a SSN issued in Connecticut is a completely different issue!

  4. Joe The Blogger   Thursday, July 1, 2010 at 8:37 AM

    It would be useful to tie this purported Selective Service registration to a particular Post Office at a particular time. Did the S.S. Administration keep a log of all of the names of the registrants submitted by each individual Post Office and the date when each batch was received by the Selective Service Administration from each Post Office? If not, why not? This would provide an important check to identify any false registrations.
    It should be possible to find out when the ‘Obama registration’ was received by the Selective Service Administration and which Post Office submitted it. Once we know precisely which Post Office (if any) submitted the ‘Obama registration’, we can start researching how often that particular P.O. submitted the registrations. Was it every day, once a week, once a month? When we know these facts, we can investigate the other registrations submitted at about the same time to see if there are any irregularities with them.
    The more specific information we can obtain about The Usurper, the less room for maneuver he will have to obfuscate the other questions.

  5. Tom   Thursday, July 1, 2010 at 5:22 AM

    Make no mistake; Obama is a fraud. However, nothing that I have seen thus far regarding his registration and the statements that he & the Selective Service have made concerning his actions surrounding the sign-up describe anything out of the ordinary.* We needn’t go through all of the particulars, here and now – Suffice it to say that I have examined closely all the material available and all of the same questions/suspicions you are raising about B.O. Jr’s scenario could just as well have applied to me- that is if you were to subject me to the same scrutiny. eg I, in fact, needed a few moments to try to recall exactly where I registered as I left to attend college out of my home state the summer following high-school grad and it wasn’t until I ran my info on the site that I was reminded that I registered in the state where I was going to college thousands of miles from my still official home address. In addition, I.D. was often not even asked for or if it was the postal clerk performed only the most perfunctory of checks a glance. The card did ask for the registrant to provide his SS #. Also this whole bit about classification is nonsense. It just wasn’t this technical, at this level. Nothing more than a political move and an effort to compile an impressive list of candidates for the next “emergency” B.O, Jr’s questionable SS # and the circumstances revolving around its issuance to him(eventually?) is something that is need of a great deal of attention & investigation The successful Sel Service reg is probably “legit” in that it was accomplished using his dubious SS#
    I can see B.O. Jr registering simply to avoid problems at that moment – threats of losing some gov’t grant or funding etc- with the intent never to actually serve if called upon to do so.

    *with the possible exception of the man ,desperately exaggerating..distorting really, the significance of registering — trying to mislead people into thinking that this act should cast him in the role as someone who supports the military or serves as a testament to their loyalty and willingness to “fight for their country” It did and does neither
    ———————–
    Mrs. Rondeau replies: I am wondering how a “Hawaiian-born” man used a CT SSN to register for the Selective Service and why there are apparently two sets of records for him in the SS system. I would also like to know why the Selective Service refuses to answer whether or not a person could have two sets of records.

  6. TexomaEd   Thursday, July 1, 2010 at 2:19 AM

    Well, they did not answer the question about identification and the “No ID” box. Their letter said that Obama provided identification when he registered, yet the form shows that no identification (No ID) was checked off on the form.

    The only evidence we have is the form, which clearly shows the “No ID” box checked. To refute the form, it seems to me that they must provide evidence of the identification used by Obama.

    Otherwise, how did the Hawaiian postal clerk know that the submitter was really Obama? How did they know that the registrant was not a relative, friend, or other imposter?

  7. Kathy   Wednesday, June 30, 2010 at 11:49 PM

    Under FOI can you send him another request asking why he is unable to answer?
    —————-
    Mrs. Rondeau replies: I would think so.

  8. JeanWTPUSA   Wednesday, June 30, 2010 at 10:39 PM

    http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2010/04/revisiting-obamas-selective-service.html

    In a report that I previously researched on Obama’s Selective Service, you will see that:

    Proclamation 4771–Registration Under the Military Selective Service Act
    Source: The provisions of Proclamation 4771 of July 2, 1980, appear at 45 FR 45247, 3 CFR, 1980 Comp., p. 82, unless otherwise noted, STATES:

    1-3. Manner of Registration.

    1-301. Persons who are required to be registered shall comply with the registration procedures and other rules and regulations prescribed by the Director of Selective Service.

    1-302. When reporting for registration each person shall present for inspection reasonable evidence of his identity. After registration, each person shall keep the Selective Service System informed of his current address.

    SHALL, means MUST. So what evidence of identity did Obama present? DID Obama WILLFULLY withhold documentation that would verify his identity? Could Obama’s non-compliance make him INELIGIBLE to hold public office?

    You are being stonewalled, Sharon, for some reason! The more specific questions you ask, the less of a response you seem to get.

    1+1 does not = 3, although the government would like you to believe it does.
    Call me paranoid, but we have a POTUS with a dead man’s Connecticut social security number……..seek the truth, but be prepared to be lied to.

  9. ch   Wednesday, June 30, 2010 at 10:00 PM

    Can we take Baskin Robbins to court? Is there a plaque at the Hawaii Baskin Robbins? I do not believe that “All-American ice ceam and applie pie” story until I see the work records and social security payments from his paycheck. Unbelievable!! Baracky Road ice cream.

  10. kj   Wednesday, June 30, 2010 at 9:28 PM

    Interesting. The 1A classification is for “Available for unrestricted military service”. Aliens and dual nationals would not be included in that classification but have a separate classification, 4C, an indication that the military views dual nationals differently. Shouldn’t the CIC be classifiable as 1A except for any health problems or too old? Does this shed more light on NBC?

  11. Bill Cutting   Wednesday, June 30, 2010 at 4:43 PM

    I no longer have my records, but I registered the same time as Barry.
    I don’t recall them asking for ID. I remember filling out a yellow card and handing to the postal clerk. That was pretty much it.
    Everyone in my town registered at the local Post office.
    —————-
    Mrs. Rondeau replies: Thank you very much.

  12. William   Wednesday, June 30, 2010 at 4:28 PM

    Sharon,

    My registration is close, it was in 1982. I also went to my local post office to register and had to show my driver’s license, SS card and BC.
    ——————–
    Mrs. Rondeau replies: Thank you very much.

  13. SissySue   Wednesday, June 30, 2010 at 2:34 PM

    Does anyone remember Tom Fife? He is the one who went to Moscow to start a joint venture in a computer company.

    One evening, during a trip early in 1992, the American half of our venture were invited to V. & T.’s Moscow flat as we were about to return to the States. The party went well and we had the normal dinner discussions.

    As the evening wore on, T. developed a decidedly rough anti-American edge – one her husband tried to quietly rein in.

    The bottom line of the tirade she started against the United States went something like this:

    “You Americans always like to think that you have the perfect government and your people are always so perfect. Well then, why haven’t you had a woman president by now? You had a chance to vote for a woman vice-president and you didn’t do it.”

    The general response went something along the lines that you don’t vote for someone just because of their sex. Besides, you don’t vote for vice-president, but the president and vice-president as a ticket.

    “Well, I think you are going to be surprised when you get a black president very soon.”

    http://www.rense.com/general84/brck.htm

  14. Michael   Wednesday, June 30, 2010 at 2:17 PM

    “The man whose name means “blessed” in Arabic is the son of a Kenyan father, Barack Obama Sr., and a white mother, Ann Dunham, from Kansas. The two met as college students in Hawaii in 1959 (Barack Sr. was the first African to enroll at the University of Hawaii), and two years later, when Ann was just 19, their child was born.”

    http://www.oprah.com/world/Oprah-Winfrey-Interviews-Barack-Obama

    It would seem that not even Obama’s most famous supporter knows the details of the “Obama Story”.

    The only reason this story hasn’t changed is probably because too many people have the print version.

  15. Tom the veteran   Wednesday, June 30, 2010 at 2:05 PM

    He should be classified as 4-C and carted off to jail for treason!

    Any word whether or nor the DOJ released Obama’s mama’s passport info?
    ——————
    Mrs. Rondeau replies: I haven’t heard anything yet.

  16. yo   Wednesday, June 30, 2010 at 1:15 PM

    No judge, no federal agency, no gov’t employee in the US is going to follow the law as written if they think it might displease the obama thugs.

    They understand, and with good reason, that if they cross him by following the law and exposing him, not only is their career over, but their life may also be in jeopardy.

    Am I wrong?

  17. Michael   Wednesday, June 30, 2010 at 12:55 PM

    What SSN did Obama use when he worked at Baskin Robbins in Hawaii?

    Too many questions and no answers!

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