RELEASES REDACTED PRINT-OUTS OF HAWAII BIRTH INDEX, WHICH IN THE FINAL ANALYSIS PROVE ONLY ONE THING
by John Charlton
(Feb. 26, 2010) — In response to the public outcry over my last report regarding Okubo’s apparently false response to my request for index data from the Hawaii Birth Index, Miss Janice Okubo has directed staff at the Hawaii Department of Health to release a pdf file containing what appears to be scans of a computer printout containing redacted pages from the Hawaii Birth Index for those sections, which would contain the surnames Payne, Dunham, Soetoro and Obama.
My initial UIPA request of January 22, 2010, sought the index data for all children on the Hawaii Birth Index whose parents’ surnames were either Obama, Payne, Soetoro or Dunham. The Certificate of Hawaii Birth was issued from 1911 to 1972 for those who wished to have a document proving that they were born in Hawaii. It was a way to apply for a document for those who were born a year before the request was made and who did not have a standard birth certificate, presumably because they were born at home, not in a hospital. I had made my UIPA request to determine if Obama was born before Hawaii became a state, but a name on this Index does not exclusively prove that. If you read the link on “Certificate of Hawaii Birth” you can see that it was granted to those who provided what the Department of Health considered sufficient proof of a a birth in Hawaii. Thus it provided a vehicle to claim a Hawaii birth without actually being born in Hawaii, if only one succeeded in convincing the Department that you were.
In response to the evasive denials of my original UIPA request and the outright claim I had written what I did not write, Miss Janice Okubo admitted to me last week that microfiches of the Hawaii Birth Index did exist and that they did not contain the said surnames. Following my disclosure of that to several friends, I was given a copy of a Treasury Department Document from 1949 showing that at least one individual with the surname Dunham was born in Hawaii during the period in which the Hawaii Birth Index was used.
As a consequence, I wrote Miss Okubo and asked for copies of the microfiche to prove the veracity of her claim and offered to pay for them. I also suggested to readers of The Post & Email that they contact Mrs. Lingle, the governor of the State of Hawaii, asking for an outside review of the matter.
Today’s release of a pdf file appears to be the Department of Health’s way of responding to this public outcry, even though the documents do not prove anything, since they are not prima facie evidence of anything, other than that
1) the Department does not understand how to respond to a UIPA request: I asked for microfiche copies, not pdfs of computer printouts,
2) does not understand how to respond to the Press: obstructed my UIPA request for three weeks, made false claim, and never responded to my email to Miss Okubo asking her to look into this matter,
3) and does not understand how to respond properly to a public call for investigation with solidly confirmatory documents: if the Department thinks these images are corroborating evidence, I would hate to think what kind of evidence they accept to issue a Certificate of Hawaii Birth! If this is the standard of evidence in 2010, what was it in 1961?
Indeed, an impartial observer to this present affair, considering this manner of response of the Department to my UIPA request, now has even more evidence to regard the claim of Obama being born in Hawaii (based on having a Hawaii Birth Certificate) as even more dubious, as that Department evidently does not understand or use any professional sense of the term “prima facie evidence.” This can only mean that any Certificate of Live Birth that they might issue is worthless as evidence without a concomitant disclosure of all supporting documentation filed to obtain it — which has been the contention of this e-Newspaper from the beginning.
Please note that it is not an unimportant fact that the images released do show that the Birth Index data does contain the names of the parents. In her correspondence with me, Okubo denied that I could ask for the Birth Index information for children based on the surnames of the parents. So if these images are evidentiary in any manner, they are evidentiary of Okubo’s obstruction of my initial UIPA request, since I never asked for the parents’ names, only the names of the children. She has the names of the parents right there; why did she refuse to do a search on that basis?
Finally, it should be emphasized that this UIPA request is not in itself very important, but the manner in which the Department of Health has responded to it is what is important. If the actual microfiche shows no such surnames, then Miss Okubo will be vindicated, and I will apologize, as all I am interested in is the truth. Miss Okubo, we, the press or the public cannot know what that is unless you cooperate with the UIPA in a timely, courteous, exact, and coherent manner. When you fail to do this, you only undermine the reputation of your own department, even if on account of such failures, we might at times doubt or believe you when we ought to do the opposite.
Below are electronic images of the PDF file, in a format which makes their viewing accessible to the readers of this electronic paper. I have only reduced them and converted them to jpg.
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From the Dept. of Health website:
“The Certificate of Hawaiian Birth program was established in 1911, during the territorial era, to register a person born in Hawaii who was one year old or older and whose birth had not been previously registered in Hawaii. The Certificate of Hawaiian Birth Program was terminated in 1972, during the statehood era.”
Those other Dunhams may have been (probably were) previously registered in Hawaii, probably born in a hospital and received a regular birth certificate.
Unless I misunderstand the situation, it doesn’t necessarily mean that the Dept. of Health responded incorrectly. Unless those Dunhams were not registered at birth, they wouldn’t be on the Hawaiian Birth Index. Instead of a Certificate of Hawaiian Birth, they would have a regular Certificate of Live Birth.
Someone should ask for the same names from the regular birth index. They may be playing games with the names given to the indices. The register for those who received a “standard birth certificate” at birth probably has another name.
You should also request the same names from the Hawaiian Birth Index between 1960 and 1972.
Then ask: When a person amends a Certificate of Hawaiian Birth and receives in return a Late (standard) Birth Certificate upon surrender of the COHB, does the person’s name disappear from the Hawaiian Birth Index? Does the person’s name then appear on the regular “standard” birth index, as if that’s how it would have appeared at the time of his birth?
On the Leo Donofrio blog I remember were two occasions that the name “Dunham” was misspelled in a response.
By accident?
I thought it was a way for them to give false information, but not directly lie.
My question: is this the same list that would have been made public to the news papers in 1961 use by these papers to post Obama’s birth announcement?
If not the request for that list given to the news papers should still be public from 1961 because once public always public.
…meaning someone took advantage of the Hawaii laws allowing foreign-borns to call themselves Hawaiian born after 1971…this would align with when he ostensibly started pricey Punahau.
Can you get these for after 1971?
meaning could one apply for these non-conforming bc’s after 1971? I take it to mean these were for home-births or foreign-borns (based on testimony that parents lived in Hawaii for 1 year prior to purported birth)…
What the lists do, is exclude Obama from having a non-conforming bc for all probable years of his birth, i.e. he can’t say he had a home-birth or pre-statehood birth as any excuse for not having a hospital bc, which he does not have.
Between Fukino breaking laws, Okubo’s obfuscations/lies, Lingle’s noncompliance, Attorney General’s refusal to corroborate, Kapiolani’s reports that he was not born there…I see nothing remaining except a total fabrication.
Since the Hawaii Birth index does not show him, does this mean he was not born in Hawaii, unless of course, he was born in Hawaii, but someone filed for a late or amended Certification of Live Birth some time after 1971?
What am I missing here? I do not see any of the surnames in question listed in the above posted pdf files. Does the date range of this supposed index include when Pres Obama would have been born, and if so, does not that fact that his surname is not present in the index indicate that Hawaii has no record of his certification of live birth, proving that what Obama posted online is bogus?
Let’s hope the auto dealerships who are SUING because they were INJURED (unlike the other BC lawsuits) directly because of Obama. Obama is president. He ordered an auto task force and the closure of auto dealerships based on political motives in part. THEY are demanding Obama PROVE he is legitimately our president (give up that BC and and school information, etc) and if NOT eligible, THEY GET BIG BUCKS and Obama goes to jail. I just hope the dealership member are not frightened off or paid off. They are our hope.
Why is the Dunham born in 1949 in the Treasury Dept. document not included in the list Okubo provided?
Is it my imagination or is the line at the spot where Dunham would normally be –slightly crooked? Crooked as in hand drawn after a cut and paste job maybe removing the name Dunham? And since we know there SHOULD be at least one Dunham perhaps (not knowing who might be related to them), removing all cases of Dunham? Or am I seeing things?
BYW Thank you! And keep up the good work, one of these days somebody somewhere is going to make a mistake and it will unravel.
John —
Once again, you’ve done impeccable work. Today’s article is right on the money, tightly-worded, and proves beyond a shadow of doubt that the Marxist usurper has used devious methods to gain entrance into the White House.
You must continue to search to uncover all the facts surrounding the Marxist usurper. You are just above the target. Any day now, the Marxist usurper will be dragged out of the White House in cuffs and thrown in jail! Any day now!
Bless you,
Lance
John, I’m confused. Does Hawaii have more than one Hawaiian birth list; in other words, do they also have a regular birth certificate list in addition to this Certificate of Hawaii Birth list?
These people are so slimy. The redacted parent names show that they are still hiding a lot.
John, Now that you have established that a Certificate of Live Birth does not exist for BO perhaps you can file UIPA requests for “Certification of Live Births” with the Office of the Lieutenant Governor
JAMES R.”DUKE” AIONA, JR.
Lieutenant Governor, State of Hawai`i
State Capitol
Honolulu, Hawai`i 96813
Phone:(808) 586-0255
Fax: (808) 586-0231
e-mail: ltgov@hawaii.gov
I have filed UIPA requests with this office for information regarding apostilles and/or Certifications for BO but have not been successful., even though the state of Hawaii clearly states that this is where these records are kept.
http://hawaii.gov/ltgov/office/apostilles Please Help!
Look, again, it’s real simple. Even if obama was born in Hawaii, that wouldn’t even matter. Both your parents have to be born in America as well for you to be qualified for President. I simply ask this again. was Obama’s father born in America? No. Case closed. He is in office against the Constitution. He cannot be President. Please, someone from the left, please tell me I’m wrong, please and provide your reason why. Please show me that Obama’s father was born in the U.S.!
Vattel’s definition of “natural born Citizen” is “born in the country to parents who are citizens of the country.” The parent or parents could be naturalized citizens, having come from a foreign country but relinquished citizenship of that country and taken an oath of allegiance to the new country. But they must be citizens at the time of the child’s birth to make the child a “natural born Citizen” with no foreign allegiance of any kind.
Well said. And we need to keep this in mind should Bobby Jindal run for President or VP in 2012. Jindal is not a natural born citizen. He was born in Louisiana to parents who were legal immigrants from India. His parents later became naturalized citizens, but they were not citizens at the time of Jindal’s birth. Jindal was born with a foreign claim (from India) on his citizenship and allegiance.
You are correct. Obama Senior was a British/Kenyan citizen. Now, some will say that if Obama Senior turns out to not be the father, and that Obama’s real father was an American, that Obama would then be a natural born citizen (assuming a birth in Hawaii, of course). I disagree. Obama would still not be a natural born citizen.
It does not make any difference as to the real parentage of Obama, because Obama Senior claimed him as a product of the marriage. In the time of our Founding Fathers, all that was necessary was for the father of record to claim he was the father in actuality, which Obama Senior did in the divorce papers. In the time of our Founding Fathers there was no way to test (such as with DNA) for paternity. If a man claimed to be the father of a son, then that was good enough for all legal purposes of identity, passing on of inheritance, land grants, and especially citizenship.
Obama’s citizenship status at birth was dual (US and British/Kenyan) and so was his allegiance. His status at birth was “governed” by the laws of Great Britain. Natural born citizen status is the “strong check” against foreign influence, and this influence was present at the birth of Obama, as well as in the years that followed. These are all facts which will not go away should his father turn out to have been an American.
Both parents do not have to be born in America. They can be naturalized citizens, if naturalized prior to the birth of the child. The fact that 0bama’s father was a Kenyan citizen would negate 0bama being NBC, because the citizenship of the child flows from the father.
Barack Hussein Obama Livebirth Mombosa Hospial Kenya 08-04-61 as witnessed by Paternal grandmother Sarah Hussein Obama, she named maternal halfbrother George & Maternal Halfsister Alma in the room at time of birth, did not name Obama Sr. Hawaii 1963 Mother Stanly Ann Durham married Lolo Soetoro-Indonesian. 1964 Mother Stanly Ann Soetoro Indonesia Naturalized herself & Barack using application by marriage to a National of Country. Stepfather Lolo Soetoro Adopts Barack & Changes his name to Barry Soetoro Jakarta, Indonesia 1964. Hawaii Livebirth Reg issued to Maya kasandra Soetoro Maternal halfsister to Barry Soetoro she was born 08-15-1970 Jakarta, Indonesia. We have a Foreigner with Dual Citizenship in our Oval Office= USURPER/TREASON! Phillip J.Berg.com
So…if B.O. obtained the b/c either…before he was one year old …OR…after 1972…then he would not be on that list. Is that correct?
was there any name under “U” for UBAYD, another last name which has been suggested as being the original family name? Mother being NOT Stanley Dunham but rather an Ethopian woman, Father being UBAYD and an Egyptian national? Thanks.
My word of advice for all who have ideas like these is that they file UIPA requests on their own to ask.
Hawaii is passing legislation to label people ‘vexatious requesters’ so it’s going to be up to those with new ideas to see they are carried out for themselves.
It’s very easy to file one!=)
MissTickly,
Could you please summarize your findings and then Leo’s findings. Both of you took down all your info and we have no way to check what has already been done.
thanks
Here’s my take after following since June 2008. (This is not an original thesis of mine.) BOjr is a NBC by SAD and FMD. BOsr is a stooge to hide the real father’s infidelity and pedophilia, along with MPD and SD knowledge of the abuse of their daughter. LS comes in to sweep up the mess, as duty calls. They all went along with it ( and could get away with it) because each in some real way is connected to the “gas” company, the same one that funded the Dunham’s move to Hawai’i, Anne’s globe tripping and little Barry’s early education through real estate held under alias. We’re stuck with a 50 year old lie that has been doctored, bandaged, clipped, and falsified, and more recently scrubbed, snubbed, and whacked because the company still needs the information it is charged to gather centralized.
There’s an even better part II: but this line just predictably follows the nature/ nurture phenomenon of privilege, party, and royalty.
When the Paraclete got to this point in his research I urged him to narrow his FOIA requests to include Davis and dates before 8/4/61. No luck. He shut down his site to focus well on his clients. Miss Tickly’s blog disappeared to focus on family. Finally, a journalist with chops for the truth.
(Sorry for the jargon.)
I heard that an outfit called “Sky News” reported that Obama’s original birth records were burned in a fire. Anyone know more?
The fire is an excuse, remember, in his book, Dreams of My Father, he said he found his birth certificate along with some other papers?
theobamafile proved that was a made-up lie, totally debunked!!! NO FIRE OF HAWAII ARCHIVES.
these bots have zero credibility ZIP!
Sky News; Hawaii authorities say Obama’s paper birth record was destroyed in a fire… The Brits say the “birther” protesters voices are getting louder! But we are also racist according to Sky News and Jimmy Carter.
http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2010/02/sky-news-hawaii-authorities-say-obamas.html
isnt SKY news part of the Murdoch Empire where the Saudi Prince, according to terrorist turned Christian Mr Shoebat, has openly boasted of manipulating reporting and editorial content?
I believe Sky News is the UK counterpart of Fox News.
I find it hard to believe that the repubs, knowing his BC was in question, sat back and did nothing to expose him before the election. GW could have gotten his hands on his BC, among others. As for the reps that have signed petitions demanding to see the BC, if they were in office before the election, had these questions and did nothing, well that seems like a crime to me.
I will be honest, I consider them all shady crooks, playing good cop/bad cop,knowing just when to jump up claiming ‘God’, yet they all have the same agenda, and it has nothing to do with protecting the constitution or doing what is best for ‘we the people’. I find it real shady how the same politicians that never spoke a word about this in time to prevent O from ever getting into office, are now with such precise timing, making sure to bring this and other things up to keep ‘we the people’ so consumed with this BS, so that they can (both parties) continue on the same path as always (deleting our rights) knowing we won’t notice.
Think of me as a nut if you like, but if you really believe O was not born in this country, really believe there is a coverup going on……then you need to be going after every repub that was in office before the election. What is worse? A person you never really trusted to start with, lying about his place of birth to get into office……or the people you not only trusted to have your back, but the people you voted into their well paid position, to allow that person to not only run for office, but actually win that office and not bother to investigate the charge or even say a word about until after it is more less too late? I don’t care who these politicians are, what party they vow their souls to, or what crap they promise. They all put their ownselves first, they will only go so far when it comes to outing each other for a crime, because they too have many secrets to hide.
The American people need to step back, do their own research, real research, actually documents, not blogs, newspapers or TV news, before jumping on any bandwagon.
DC and the DC run media will use the issues they know the people are passionate about (healthcare, birth certificates, famous folks), knowing that passionate people when stirred up tend to not do alot of fact checking, so they only have to say a lie a few times, and soon network news is stating it as fact. Then they just kick back in their nice office watching ‘we the people’ do the dirty work for him, and he comes out smelling like a rose.
All I am saying is, if you hear it, research it, if you read, research it, before allowing yourself to speak it or forward it as truth. And please, someone tell me, am I the only one pissed off as hell that my party, the republician party, my republician president allowed a man to run for president with his citizenship in question???? I compare this to as if my husband is cheating on me. I am not pissed at the female he is cheating with, I am pissed at him. After all, she never promised me anything…HE DID. I expected nothing from her, she owed me nothing, so I hold him responsible. The same as with the O business. I hold the Repubs I voted for and trusted responsible. It is their job to protect this country, and if O is not a citizen, they failed their job, and owe at least to me, an explanation as to what they were doing that was more important then stepping in BEFORE the election. For these reasons alone, I am led to believe that they have seen the BC, and are using the people that still have faith in them to cause chaos. After all, not one media person that is pushing this BC thing has even questioned the republician party as to why they stood by and let it happen.
BTW..I am now an independent.
>>I find it hard to believe that the repubs, knowing his BC was in question, sat back and did nothing to expose him before the election <<
maybe they're on the same team?…
On February 28, 2008, Sen. Claire McCaskill (D-MO) introduced a bill to the Senate for consideration. That bill was known as S. 2678: Children of Military Families Natural Born Citizen Act. The bill was co-sponsored by Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL), Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-NY), Sen. Robert Menendez (D-NJ), and Sen. Thomas Coburn (R-OK).
Not hard to believe at all. The Republicans (aka the stupid party) nominated their own non-natural born citizen (McCain). McCain was born in Colon Hospital in the city of Colon in the Republic of Panama, and like Obama, he was a dual citizen at birth.
And the Republicans will remain quiet, for they have a rising star named Bobby Jindal, who is also not a natural born citizen. Jindal was born in Louisiana to legal immigrant parents from India who were not US citizens at the time Jindal was born.
The Republicans said nothing because they put up an ineligible candidate as well. John McCain was not born on US soil but in Hospital in Panama. Both parties, signed co-sponsored and signed by Obama, Resoulution 511, making John McCain a natural born citizen. This was unconstitutional as all get out, number one, you cannot make someone retroactively a natural born citizen (defacto law), they must be born one; number two you can only change the Constitution through amendment. Both parties are guilty and complicit!! That is why you do not hear a peep from the Republicans, they were guilty of the same thing. There is an mighty agenda on both sides of the aisle to allow a 14th amendment citizen to enter the Presidency, a giant erosion of our Constitution. Our country and people are in great danger. We have a one party system masquerading as a two party system, that is a dictatorship. How can we trust either party? A new third party (which in actuality will be a second party) is what is needed, galvanizing Conservatives/Red Dogs/Independents/Tea party/912ers into one new party that is for the Constitution with only vetted Constitutionally minded candidates running. I am not saying that there are not good people in both parties, but both parties are corrupt and the good within have to leave and join the new.
Good point about that resolution trying to retroactively make McCain a natural born citizen — you are either a natural born citizen at birth or not!
Natural born citizenship is attained by the laws of nature and not of man. If you are born in the US to US citizen parents, then no human law is needed to say you are a US citizen. Your citizenship is self-evident to everyone — you are obviously and naturally a citizen — you are a natural born citizen. Furthermore, no foreign country can lay any claim to your citizenship and allegiance at birth.
Under the circumstances of Obama’s birth,Obama was a Brit at the time of his “Birth”,under British and US Law. His Mother did NOT meet requirements for time as a US Citizen in order to even confer Naturalized status on Obama. Obama,Sr. was a polygamist voiding any marriage to Obama’s mother. Obama,Jr. was illegitimate at Birth and NOT a “natural-Born American” in any event.
These facts are uncontrovertable.
Obama is encumbered from being POTUS for reasons other than just his birth status. He has been charged with Treason and is prohibited from holding any office in the US Government,should he found guilty.
Additionally,there is an ongoing dispute in the courts with regards to whether or not Hawaii is technically NOT a US State and is,in actuality, a SOVEREIGN nation.
Not exactly, because Britain DID recognize polygamous marriage if they were legal in their colony, Britain considered Obama, Jr. a legitimate child.
Again, the definition of natural born citizen entails the citizenship of the parents, and BHO Sr. was a Born British Subject (now called citizen).
I was given a copy of a Treasury Department Document from 1949 showing that at least one individual with the surname Dunham was born in Hawaii during the period in which the Hawaii Birth Index was used.
that’s the one I was referring to.
I accept all that has been said as being true. If so, and you had absolute proof from whatever source that was, that some Dunham’s had been born in Hi., then why doesn’t that show up on these records. If Dunham’s were definitely born in Hi and doesn’t show up, then wouldn’t that mean that an Obama could have been and not show up also. I very much appreciate your work and you keeping us informed.
the Dunhams were from Kansas
According to Phil Berg, Dr. Fukino’s Public statement about Obama being born in Hawaii was actually illegal since Dr. Fukino has no authority to disclose private information in Hawaii vital records. Phil Berg may actually be right. Dr. Fukino referred to “Original Vital Records” which could only mean the Birthing Index that is Public information. This would indicate that Fukino’s statement is not based Obama’s Orginal Birth Certificate. If this not true then Fukino did in fact break the law by revealing private information Hawaii Vital Records. It remains to be seen on what FACT or DATA Fukino used to create her PUBLIC statement. Using Obama’s Birth Certificate for that fact or data would be in sense illegal disclosure of private information contained in a Hawaiin Vital Record.
That is exactly what the Hawaii Petition Campaign is all about: Dr. Fukino made a public statement and is obligated by Hawaii UIPA law to disclose the “index data” used to prompt that statement. Since she has not complied with the law, it is up to us, the citizens of our respective states, to force the Hawaiian officials to disclose that information. While they do not have to show Obama’s birth records if they actually exist, they are required by law to reveal the “index data.”
and once the vital was publicly published in non-redacted form by the party of interest, DOH must release a non-certified copy of same
Obama should not be listed in this database. But what is interesting is that the baby’s name and that of the parent’s and the sex are considered “index” data and thus are NOT redacted! BUT in the other database DOH does not provide the parents! WHY? In a database the parents names must be part of the database index record so you can track heritage. But see http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/obama.html and there is only name and sex.
The basic database index record should contain the parents names!
I don’t mean to sound dense here, but I really don’t understand. Please, John, explain and help us understand why this important, because first off, I feel that it is.
Also, why can’t she give you BO’s record verifying that he was at least born there? Which we know that he may not have been. I just don’t understand this, and I’m sorry.
Thanks!
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Mr. Charlton replies: I really cannot regurgitate the article in a comment in a more accurate manner. I can say that The Obama File has put a spin on this report of mine which is out of proportion with the article. Nothing about my article was to prove that Obama was born in or outside of Hawaii. I was trying to see whether he had or did not have, under his name or another name, a Certificate of Hawaiian Birth. See the link in the second paragraph to know what that was.
If you haven’t already, sign on to the Hawaii Petition Campaign. Our first batch is on its way, but the more signatures we gather, the more pressure we will place on the officials in Hawaii to observe their own Sunshine Law regarding public information.
OTP (one term president)
enjoy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MddREczVeL4&feature=sub
p.s. the lyrics are at the right in the info section
VERSE 3 (THE MZA/BIRTHER)
One term President? Naw, I’m not feelin that
Hardcore birther here, let me make it clear fo ya
Barack Hussein, he isn’t even president, we ain’t seen a BC
He’s sealed up all the evidence
OTP on my Camry, but I put a slash through the O
He’s a zero term pansy
Before Obama got elected, I was disrespected, all of my best predictions were rejected
But now they all come to the MZA, I’m runnin five Tea Parties,
flanked by these freedom fighter hotties
I’m a right wing extremist, can I get a witness?
You ain’t down if you ain’t on a watch LIST
Socialist medicine, I told ya
Spendin trillions on nothin, I told ya
Payin for abortions round the world, I told ya
Reppin OTP, even Angelina’s feelin me