Spread the love

by CDR Charles F. Kerchner, Jr. (Ret), blogging at CDRKerchner, ©2023

Click on the image for more details about The Three Legged Stool Test for “natural born Citizen” of the United States.

(Jul. 1, 2023) — Vivek Ramaswamy’s parents immigrated from India to the USA about the year 1983 per publicly available information and Vivek was born soon thereafter in 1985. It takes at least five (5) years to become a naturalized United States Citizen.

Click here or on the image for more details about the Three Legged Stool Test for being a “natural born Citizen” of the United States.

Vivek Ramaswamy refuses as of the date of this article to answer direct questions regarding the citizenship and/or immigration status of his parents when he was born in 1985 in Ohio and/or exactly what year did his parents immigrate from India to the USA. And a third question that needs to be answered … does Vivek now hold dual citizenship or has he ever been held dual citizenship, in his case both India and the United States.

After months of trying to get an answer from him via various contact modes, it is obvious he is deliberately evading answering such questions. Thus we must assume he does not want to answer those questions because he fears the true answers will be politically detrimental to his political aspirations. He wants to run for President and Commander in Chief but does not want to be fully transparent on this issue when transparency by candidates for the highest office in the land is of utmost importance to the electorate.

Based on the public information available at this time, and the fact that Vivek is evading answering direct questions on the matter, it has thus been deduced that both of Vivek Ramaswamy’s parents were not U.S. Citizens in 1985 when Vivek was born. Thus Vivek was born with dual citizenship. He was not born a “natural born Citizen” with the required three legs of being born in the USA to a father and a mother who were U.S. Citizens when Vivek was born. Vivek Ramaswamy fails “The Three Legged Stool Test” for being a “natural born Citizen” of the United States. Vivek Ramaswamy was born to a Citizen of India father (minus one stool leg) and to a Citizen of India mother (minus the 2nd stool leg).

The normal path to becoming a naturalized U.S. Citizen takes five years. Vivek Ramaswamy was born in 1985 . His father and mother emigrated from India to the USA about 40 years ago per the April 3rd, 2023 article in the Washington Post. Calculating back from 2023, that yields the immigration year to the USA for Vivek’s parents as being about 1983. Allowing +-2 years, i.e., 1981-1985 for that  calculated “about” year of 1983 for the deduced year of immigration to the USA, there was not sufficient time for either of Vivek’s parents to become naturalized U.S. Citizens when Vivek was born in 1985, since it required at least five years to become a naturalized U.S. Citizen.


Read the rest here.

95 Comments
Newest
Oldest
Inline Feedbacks
View all comments
Graham McDonald
Wednesday, September 20, 2023 12:35 AM

The English colonies in North America lived under English law. After the revolution no change was made to the English law regarding citizenship. Which was: any child born on English soil is automatically an English subject, irrespective of the nationality of the parents. [Vattel, Law of Nations, para: 214.]

Monday, September 11, 2023 11:38 AM

I DO NOT CARE… and want nothing more than the LEFT (and liberals) to push this exact point; because, while I totally agree, it IMMEDIATELY disqualified barry soetoro! Just as it would have Chester Arthur, had his Canadian birth been known at the time. Just as the countless congressional bills presented, and avoided, ON THE TOPIC over the last 150 years in this nation. The reality is what it is, and barry’s garbage slammed that door open… and with all the ‘birther’ accusations from the left over barry, LET THE LEFT CRY WOLF! As Vivek becomes POTUS or VPotus!

Ted Cruz born American, Cuban, Canadian; Bobbie Jendal born American & Indian; Marco Rubio born American & Cuban; barry soetoro born American, Kenyan, British… NONE of which are technically or legally qualified UNDER the VATTEL doctrine, John Jay and the intent of the Founding Father’s… because of allegiance. However, barry boy’s 8 years negated all that; and ‘we’ (the people) should push Ramaswamy because he’s smart & capable, but also because his citizenship issue is the only ‘real dirt’ the left even kinda has on this man.

barry ran on rope & chains, though it sounded like hope & change. Vivek is running on REDUCING THE SPENDING, REDUCING the size of the government, actually ending and merging some of the alphabet agencies, and push the CONSTITUTION. While I don’t agree with 100% of what he says, like the feckless, under thought, knee jerk silliness of ‘3 armed guards in every school’ and ‘$250k savings account for everything student graduating from college.’ But otherwise, if he’s able to do a fraction of what he claims, plans, hopes… it would be GOOD FOR AMERICA(NS)!

Graham McDonald
Reply to  Terry
Wednesday, September 20, 2023 12:38 AM

NONE of which are technically or legally qualified UNDER the VATTEL doctrine…

You’re looking at para. 212, try para 214.

Oz_264
Reply to  Terry
Sunday, November 5, 2023 7:09 PM

You dont seem to know Vivek is heavily into big pharma, pushed masks and vaxes and developed a COMPANY called DATAVANT for tracking amd survelliance during covid and CURRENTLY is a PARTNER of Pfizer? He just made $7.3 BILLION selling Telavant (another drug company) to Roche. If that was Trump, the “news” would’ve been all over it.

Sandra Browy
Tuesday, September 5, 2023 12:19 PM

The Constitution says that the President has to be a natural born citizen, NOT his parents. Good grief, read the Constitution again. It’s one of the first things taught in civics class.

Reply to  Sharon Rondeau
Monday, November 6, 2023 4:12 AM

Correct idea.. and for the record , NONE of the big experts on Constitutional issues … like Hillsdale etc … will venture a COURT WORTHY DEFINITION.. So all this fuss is Just a Diversion to keep people divided…. ttyl

Reply to  Sandra Browy
Tuesday, September 12, 2023 1:55 PM

You know not what you’re talking about. For ‘normal’ people, you are correct; however, for the POTUS (and VP) they technically fall under more strict rules, for very specific reasons. One of which is the ‘NATURAL BORN CITIZENSHIP’ – meaning a child born ON AMERICAN SOIL, to AMERICAN PARENTS. See Vattel’s Law of Nations, John Jay and the Founding Father’s documents ON THE TOPIC. The FIRST 7 Presidents of these United States were specifically exempted, and it was literally anyone born AFTER THE SIGNING of the Constitution, because on the day of the signing EVERYONE (but slaves & Native Americans) became American citizens THAT DAY, including THEIR PARENTS. Therefore any child born after that day to American ParentS… on American SOIL… instantly and strictly became ‘Natural Born’ – and upon reaching age 35, then eligible to run for POTUS. There have been MANY bills presented to Congress, particularly since Chester Arthur, attempting to CHANGE IT… to allow just the child, but they failed to get enough support to make it to a vote. Then McCain had a special congressional hearing, where he was specifically exempted, because he was born over seas, to American parents, IN SERVICE TO THIS NATION. But the reality is ole barry boy could have been spit out on the steps of the White House, and he technically and legally was NOT QUALIFIED. Just as heels high harris is NOT a ‘natural born citizen’ under the LAW OF NATIONS, therefore NOT qualified, nor is Niki Haley, or pass candidates Marco Rubo or Bobbie Jendal. Ted Cruz, or a few others.

But NOW… because of barry soetoro, the door isn’t just open, it’s been ripped off the proverbial hinges. Yee haw! The right should be PUSHING RAMASWAMY, and allow the left to attempt to disqualify him based on HIS parents (thereby being forced to either accept him OR FOREVER DISQUALIFY BARRY BOY). That is what SHOULD HAPPEN… and just another reason I LOUDLY & PROUDLY SUPPORT RAMSWAMY

Oz_264
Reply to  Sandra Browy
Sunday, November 5, 2023 7:10 PM

You don’t know what the definition of a “natural born citizen” is, do you? Did you NOT read the article?

Charles Stilwell II
Sunday, September 3, 2023 4:47 PM

According to “Constitutional standards” a person running as a candidate for POTUS “must be a Natural Borne Citizen borne to “U.S. Citizens” PERIOD!
Thus at the times of birth for Haley and Ramaswamy neither were born to U.S. Citizens (which is written in stone)! So why are these people trying to become POTUS ?

T Rosenwasser
Thursday, August 31, 2023 11:18 AM

“Citizen” and “Natural Born” citizen are two different things. Emmerich Vattel, a Swiss, wrote The Law of Nations in the 1700’s. Three copies of the book were given to Benjamin Franklin when he was in France. He brought them home to America, and they were used by our Founders in drafting our Constitution. They were also used in American universities for a long time. “Natural born” citizen is defined as a person born in the nation of PARENTS who are CITIZENS at the time of the child’s birth. There is a reason why there are TWO DIFFERENT TERMS; in our Constitution, it is “Natural Born” citizen. In everyday life, when we do not need to be concerned that someone is running for President of our nation, we use simply “citizen.”

Reply to  T Rosenwasser
Monday, September 11, 2023 11:51 AM

When the left pushed the tri-citizen, barry soetoro, into office… and ignored the reality that his father was absolutely and undisputedly Kenyan AND British (because it was under British rule at the time of his birth)… it technically and legally didn’t matter if he was spit out on the steps of the White House, under Vattel he was NOT a ‘Natural Born Citizen’ – and there are many ‘bills’ presented TO CONGRESS addressing that very topic over the last 150 years. However, barry’s run set the precedence, and forever changed the landscape of reality.

Ted Cruz born American, Cuban, Canadian; Bobbie Jendal born American & Indian; Marco Rubio born American & Cuban… ALL technically ‘not’ qualified, but ALL RAN, and none were ‘pulled’ because of their citizenship issues.

I’d love NOTHING MORE than to have Ramaswamy ELECTED as POTUS, or brought in as VP, and then have the left push THIS VERY ISSUE… thereby negating their own ‘guy’ – and further pointing out the hypocrisy and stupidity of those pushing ‘the birth certificate’ – when in fact ‘DUAL CITIZENSHIP’ and allegiance was ALL that should have been pushed. Let the left push this, if they have the spine, then *HOPEFULLY* much of the dead swamp crap done while barry was potus could be undone. But we both know that would never happen. It would be turned into a race thing, though it’s not. Nope, barry’s reign slammed that door open, and his second term removed the door from the hinges! Ramaswamy’s parent’s ARE CITIZENS NOW… and were for most of his ‘growing up’ – and he is SELF-MADE – really smart, and not a post turtle – all that already makes him far better than ole barry soetoro! Sometimes in life, it’s better to adapt, and improvise, TO OVERCOME! Trump or Ramaswamy… the ONLY TWO that aren’t ‘deep state’ or career politicians! The only two willing to PUT AMERICA(NS) FIRST!

YoMama
Reply to  Terry
Sunday, November 5, 2023 12:35 AM

The Hindu God is not the Christian God. In God we Trust, isn’t it or was it? Vivek is Hindu, he worships pagan gods and the serpent “God.” We’re mostly Christian or were. He doesn’t hold the same values and principals this country was established on. Yea, he’s Mr. Smooth, alright. He’s nice looking, clean cut, perfect caramel color, has the side part, expensive suits, is all about freedom, free speech, against war, about upholding the constitution…and he has a smooth calming voice and perfect hand and facial gestures, he’s polite and every word is very thought out, almost like it’s scripted? He’s from the East and Hindu. He believes in ancient mysticism/magic/witchcraft. Did anyone say, new age spiritualism, higher consciousness? Anyone would like him, right? He’d unite us all. He’s perfect. It’s almost like he’s too good to be true? Does anyone really know who this guy is? Feels like Obama all over again.

Todd E Breitmann
Tuesday, August 29, 2023 5:29 PM

The United States will give automatic citizenship by birth to anyone born on US soil based on the 14 Amendment; this includes a person born in the USA to foreign parents or a legal migrant. The United States is a “soil born” country. Nowhere does it say that the parents have to be citizens.

LZ
Reply to  Todd E Breitmann
Sunday, September 3, 2023 2:21 PM

Actually, the Supreme Court has upheld this four times. Obama nor Harris are natural born citizens. Technically, per the 14th amendment, they are not legally citizens. The 14th amendment says the parents must be under the jurisdiction thereof meaning they must be legal residence or naturalized citizens if not natural born. At the time the constitution was written, the definition of natural born citizen meant born on the soil to parents who are citizens. This has been upheld by the Supreme Court four times. If his parents were not legal residents at the time of his birth, no matter how much I like him, he is not a natural born citizen. The 14th amendment only applies to citizenship, not natural born citizenship.

Sara
Reply to  LZ
Sunday, September 10, 2023 1:38 PM

Obama was born in Hawaii , his father was a Kenyan student and his mother was born in Kansas.

Reply to  Sara
Monday, September 11, 2023 11:59 AM

Don’t brag about your ignorance… ‘The Law of Nations’ and the 14th amedment are NOT THE SAME, nor should they be. The reality is what it is: barry soetoro was born a TRI-citizen (at best): American (assuming he was really born on American soil)+ Kenyan (papa’s undisputed citizenship) + British (as the Brits ruled & controlled Kenyan AT THE TIME OF barry’s birth… therefore, he had a ‘birthright’ citizenship ALSO in the UK). That is reality. However, barry’s SECOND TERM in office tore the proverbial door off the Vattel Law of Nations for America(ns)… and the federal judges that ‘ruled’ in favor of barry’s ‘citizenship’ burned that door. So, that makes Ramaswamy eligible merely because of precedent. Trump or Ramaswamy… either are better for working class America than anything the left pukes up!

Billy Bob
Sunday, August 27, 2023 9:03 PM

https://tvshowstars.com/meet-vivek-ganapathy-and-geetha-ramaswamy-vivek/
According to this his parents came to the USA in the 1970s. This would qualify them for living here for 5+ years before Vivek was born, making him a Natural Born Citizen.

Jeanine Kincheloe
Reply to  Billy Bob
Thursday, August 31, 2023 12:05 PM

Does citizenship happen by osmosis, then? Or by direct Immigration process and completion. That is NOT the 3-legged stool test, nor is it of Vatel’s Law of Nations. Dual loyalties are a problem when only one can take the top level of loyalty.

Len
Reply to  Billy Bob
Thursday, November 9, 2023 5:10 PM

Wrong! The fact is Vivek himself said his parents came to the US in 1983. Vivek is a very intelligent man, unfortunately he is NOT a natural born citizen.

John David Anderson
Friday, August 25, 2023 3:37 PM

Being that his parents were immigrants to the U.S.and he was born here could he have served in the military? If not how could you serve as Commander in Chief?

T
Wednesday, August 23, 2023 7:00 AM

You say all this, you post all this…..yet, we had 8 years of Obama…no one did anything about…..and it’s still recorded that he was a legal president…AT LEAST VR was born here. What’s the real motive? Trump supporter? Why hasn’t the liberal media feasted on VR for such? Why hasn’t the Trump and DeSantis campaigns made mention?

Thomas Jeffereson
Reply to  T
Sunday, August 27, 2023 11:42 PM

Because the media wants to save this until the 11th hour!
If VR gets the nomination, the Dems would NEVER let the GOP get away with it and the Dem. nominee (it won’t be Biden) WILL have standing to bring the issue before the Supreme Court (standing, was THE issue which kept Obama’s IN-Eligibility out of the courts. Besides Obamas REAL dad actually was a US citizen; he was card carrying communist Frank Marshal Davis. See the moving “Dreams From My Real Father” and you will understand)… So, Obamas’ fake birth story made him IN-Eligible. But in reality, his real father was not revealed because he never would have been elected with a father that radical.. It was a HUGE scam on the American Public!

T Rosenwasser
Reply to  T
Thursday, August 31, 2023 11:22 AM

Barack Obama claims his father was BO Sr-that would disqualify him. Good chance, though, that his father was Frank Marshal Davis, the “poet” who wrote about raping someone–(Barack’s mother?)

Kamala Harris, Vivek, and Ted Cruz are also Constitutionally ineligible.

Everything BO did should be made null and void.

“Eternal vigilance is the price of Liberty.” Thomas Jefferson

Robert S Ely
Friday, August 18, 2023 4:13 PM

Actually, being born ON U.S. Soil is NOT a requirement to be a NATURAL BORN AMERICAN CITIZEN. Only that BOTH parents ARE LEGAL American Citizens at the time of birth of their child. IF BOTH parents ARE LEGAL U.S. Citizens, than the child CAN BE BORN ANYWHERE in the Universe and still be a LEGAL NATURAL BIRN AMERICAN CITIZEN. And that is the same reason ANCHOR BABIES are NOT LEGAL American Citizens! This is where the third requirement comes into play. MUST LIVE WITHING THE U.S. BORDERS for at least 14 years. The first has to do with ALLEGIANCE to THIS NATION and ONLT THIS NATION. The second requirement Must be at least 35 years of age, is a maturity issue. The third is required to understand AMERICAN LIFE, CUSTOMS and CULTURE. It also has to do with EDUCATION in American History and the Constitution as well as the understanding of PROPER GOVERNMENT OPERATIONS. Unfortunately MOST American have NO CLUR of our History, what the Constitutions even says, or how government is SUPPOSE work. MOST have never heard of the Lee Resolution, THE MOST IMPORTANT founding document we have. Without that THIST WOULD NOT BE# THe United States of America. This would STILL be the COLONIES of England and under BRITISH EMPIRE RULE.

Thomas Jeffereson
Reply to  Robert S Ely
Sunday, August 27, 2023 11:36 PM

AMEN Robert!!!
100% Correct! THAT is why the founders made it a requirement for POTUS only…

Rattlerjake
Reply to  Thomas Jeffereson
Thursday, August 31, 2023 1:31 AM

NOT 100% correct! Natural Born required being born on that countries soil!

Oz_264
Reply to  Rattlerjake
Sunday, November 5, 2023 7:16 PM

Wrong. My husband was born in Germany. He IS a “natural born citizen” because his parents were both US citizens stationed in Germany when he was born. Try again.

Jeanine Kincheloe
Reply to  Robert S Ely
Thursday, August 31, 2023 12:13 PM

Jus soli: of the soil
Jus sanguinus: of the blood
Three are involved. Not one. 2 parents, 1 child.

§ 212.
The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights.

Reply to  Robert S Ely
Monday, September 11, 2023 12:06 PM

“IF BOTH parents ARE LEGAL U.S. Citizens, than the child CAN BE BORN ANYWHERE in the Universe and still be a LEGAL NATURAL BIRN AMERICAN CITIZEN” NOT TRUE! Or there would have been no need for the McCain Bill… which was the closest thing to congress addressing the issue of Natural Born Citizenship. Those parents ‘out of America’ when the child was born (in a foreign nation) MUST BE IN SERVICE TO AMERICA – if that child is born IN another country. i.e., military, Ambassador, or in some ‘official capacity’ FOR THE COUNTRY.

But seriously, barry soetoro’s reign blow the door open, and his second term burned that door forever! Ramaswamy’s parent’s were ‘legal residents’ – and Vivek was legally born IN AMERICA. Let the left whine, complain, and push the citizenship agenda… then REMIND THEM ABOUT barry’s kenyan/british father! And LAUGH AT THEM, as Ramaswamy eliminates federal agencies, federal jobs, and reduces tax payer spending!

Tweetie
Reply to  Robert S Ely
Friday, December 8, 2023 8:17 AM

Thank you!

Friday, August 18, 2023 4:39 AM

And the GOP doesn’t take the time to change clothes it either. That Sam’s holds true for Nikki Haley.
So these frauds just collect millions in donations and go buy a Bernie Sanders mansion

Lance Persson
Tuesday, August 15, 2023 3:00 PM

I believe a president was set Obama which showed our country does not follow what I believe to be the true meaning of “natural born citizen”. In this case I am glad. Ramaswamy is the only candidate that I feel could resolve the problems this nation is feeling. He is absolutely correct in all he has said.

Reply to  Lance Persson
Friday, August 18, 2023 4:41 AM

You mean precedent. Obama was Manchurian candidate. Committing a crime doesn’t set a precedent

Oz_264
Reply to  Lance Persson
Sunday, November 5, 2023 7:22 PM

Please look into Ramaswamy’s ties to big pharma and big tech. During the pandemic, he founded a company called DATAVANT for tracking and survellience. He publically pushed for masks and mandatory vaxes. He’s currently partnered with Pfizer and just sold a drug company called Telavant to Roche for $7.1BILLION. If that had been Trump, you would’ve heard about that..think why you didn’t. He also says “God is real” yet he follows Hinduism who worship many pagan gods. He’s a smooth talking Republican Obama and videos show he’s even using Obama’s EXACT words.

Saturday, August 5, 2023 11:58 AM

In 2008 the US state of Hawaii refused to verify Barack Hussein Obama’s right to be on the DNC Ballot for US President so Nancy Pelosi and the DNC sent out two letters of Nomination for US President , Barack Hussein Obama and VP Joe Biden . The letter of Nomination sent to the Hawaiian government had the Constitutional wording in it wile the letter of Nomination sent to the other 49 states did NOT have the Constitutional wording in them ! WHY ? Could it be Nancy Pelosi and the DNC was giving the Hawaiian government a way out ? IE We (The Hawaiian Government ) did not verify Barack Hussein Obama’s right to be on the DNC ballot for US President , Nancy Pelosi and the DNC made that ASSUMPTION !

Saturday, August 5, 2023 9:10 AM

What about Nikki Haley , Ted Cruz , Marco Rubio and a few others who are NOT NATURAL BORN US CITIZENS who ran or are running for US President . It would seem the US Congress and US Supreme Court have IGNORED US Constitutional law Article ll Section 1 Clause 5 since 2008 in order to protect the fraud and usurper berry soetoro aka Barack Hussein Obama to protect themselves from the charge of TREASON in the 2008 and 2012 presidential elections ! Mr Ramaswamy is just the LATEST wannabe USURPER !

Jeff Paulk
Reply to  Charles
Sunday, August 13, 2023 9:57 AM

Amen!

Dana
Reply to  Charles
Friday, August 25, 2023 3:10 PM

Ted Cruz is not running for President or VP, he gave up his duel citizenship and only held his allegiance to the US to run for congress.( that is legal). president and VP are different, one has to be natural born, their parents must be us citizens BEFORE their birth ( born on us soil) to be so. His were not, they did not get their citizenship until after he was born he then is born with duel citizenship of India and the US, making him a “ anchor baby” not a natural born citizen. Same with Nicki Hailey

Jeanine Kincheloe
Reply to  Charles
Thursday, August 31, 2023 12:14 PM

That is all true!

Phenry
Monday, July 31, 2023 2:53 PM

you need a shorter link title… cant share this on social media with any sort of description with it being a book sized link like it is.

Sunday, July 30, 2023 4:44 PM

Your link for when Ramaswamy’s parents immigrated doesn’t work. Do you have some other source providing the evidence?

We know Haley, Harris, Obama, Rubio, Jindal were not natural born. It is the duty of every state’s Secretary of State to verify the candidates meet the Constitutional requirement. The KY SOS told me it is not his responsibility, but the people need to stand up and demand they do their jobs. Elections are state run, which means it is the states’ responsibility to verify requirements.

Saturday, July 29, 2023 9:32 PM

Also, the stool would not agree to Vattel’s definition of natural born citizenship, which is patrilinear (it rests on the citizenship status of the father at the time of the son’s birth).

Vattel’s book Law of Nations was present during the Constitutional deliberations, which indicates that it was the definition the Framers recognized.

Reply to  Mr. Menger
Sunday, July 30, 2023 4:45 PM

That is true. At the time that was written, a woman automatically became a citizen of her husband’s country the moment they married.

Saturday, July 29, 2023 9:27 PM

According to this source, it may take as little as 10 months. The question is still up in the air.

https://www.boundless.com/immigration-resources/how-long-does-it-take-to-get-citizenship-after-applying/

dean
Reply to  Mr. Menger
Thursday, August 24, 2023 8:13 PM

you were talking about what happened 40 years ago when every thing was done with
snail mail back ground checks

Len
Wednesday, July 26, 2023 4:27 PM

Why also then is Nikki Haley being allowed to run for POTUS. At the time of her birth, her parents were legal residents, but were still citizens of India with allegiance to India and NOT citizens of the US. . If her parents became naturalized citizens before her birth, they would have taken the naturalized oath of allegiance, renouncing allegiance to India and swearing allegiance only to The United States of America. That in fact did not happen before her birth.
Nikki Haley, Marco Rubio, Ted Cruz are not Natural Born citizens. Barrack Obama was not a Natural Born citizen therefore his presidency should be null and void and congress should be held accountable for allowing his presidency to occur.

Friday, July 21, 2023 2:05 AM

CDR Kerchner
I find it best to always stick with statements that have Constitutional authority behind them. For instance When someone states “He or she was born in the U.S. they are a natural born CITIZEN.” I go to the Supreme Court who has the Constitutional authority to say who is and who is not a natural born CITIZEN. Then post one or two of these quotes >>> The Supreme Court standard birth circumstance that must be met to be a natural born CITIZEN. Here is what the Supreme Court Justices say >>> Justice Gray “all children, born in a country of parents who were its citizens, became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens” >>> Chief Justice Fuller in the same case >> “The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country of parents who are citizens.” >>> Justice Grier “The natives or natural-born citizens are those born in the country of parents who are citizens.” >>> Chief Justice Waite “all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives or natural-born citizens,” >>> Justice Livingston “The natives or indigenes are those born in the country of parents who are citizens.” >>> Chief Justice Fuller (in dissent) “The natives or natural-born citizens are those born in the country of parents who are citizens.” Finally In Perkins v Elg Chief Justice Hughes called the defendant Ms Elg A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN then described her birth circumstances –Miss Elg was *****born in Brooklyn, New York, *****on October 2, 1907. Her parents, who were natives of Sweden, emigrated to the United States sometime prior to ***1906, and her father was naturalized here in that year.*** The law then was wives became U.S. Naturalized CITIZENS automatically when their husband’s were naturalized. <<< So Ms Elg ***was born in the U.S. of CITIZEN parents. I say the Supreme Court standard because that is the only way the Supreme Court has ever described the birth circumstances of a natural born CITIZEN. NEVER EVER has the Supreme Court stated "Anyone born in the U.S. is a natural born CITIZEN." By doing it this way I never give my personal opinion. It is always WORD for WORD quotes from Supreme Court Justices "who do have the Constitutional authority to decide who is and who is not a natural born CITIZEN. They have the last say. And the Supreme Court standard birth circumstances has been that way since 1814.

Friday, July 21, 2023 12:51 AM

From What I have researched India does not allow dual citizenship.. His parents were citizens of India at the time of his birth. India does not recognize his U.S. Citizenship as they claim him as a son of their citizens.

Len
Reply to  Roger Sharp
Wednesday, July 26, 2023 4:44 PM

If Vivek’s parents naturalized before his birth, they would have taken the naturalized oath of allegiance before his birth, they would have renounced their allegiance to India and swore allegiance only to the US. After the naturalized oath of allegiance, Indian citizenship would have been renounced. Only then would Vivek been considered a natural born citizen. Since that did not occur before Vivek’s birth, Vivek is a born citizen, but NOT a natural born citizen.

Reply to  Len
Saturday, August 5, 2023 9:27 AM

And Mr Ramaswamy would not be a born citizen of the US if not for a US Supreme Court Justice in 1983 ILLEGALLY adding an Addendum to the Fourteenth Amendment creating Anchor Babies ! Why the US Congress let that Addendum stand is anyone’s guess ! Everyone thinks the US Supreme Court has the last word ! THEY DON’T ! The US Congress can OVERTURN any ruling the US Supreme Court makes it just takes the political will to do so .

Len
Reply to  Charles
Friday, August 18, 2023 9:30 PM

Just for the record, The 14th amendment 1868 was written as a pathway to citizenship for blacks. The anchor baby issue is a newer interpretation. Nothing in the 14th amendment can not and does not override natural born status in Article II ,Section I, Clause 5 in reference to presidential eligibility.

July 25, 1787 John Jay wrote a letter to George Washington expressing his concern for foreign influence in the office of commander and chief of the army. On July 25, 1787, the requirement was still entered as “born citizen”… which was an entry made previously by Alexander Hamilton.
After John Jay’s letter to George Washington, “born citizen” was changed to “Natural Born”. Why the change from “born citizen” to “Natural born”?“Natural Born” defined at the time of the adoption of The Constitution as: a child born to parents (plural) who are citizens. The founders had three copies of Emmerich de Vattel’s book, The Law of Nations, 1758, where in chapter 19, natural born is defined.

bestimmt
Reply to  Roger Sharp
Thursday, August 24, 2023 12:16 AM

Doesn’t matter. Read Lynch v. Clarke.

Monday, July 10, 2023 10:50 AM

From where did America’s Founders learn what is required to become a Natural Born Citizen? (Prior to the 11th Amendment, Citizen was always spelled with a capital C in the Constitution.) In 1759 Emmerich Vattel published “Law of Nations” which contains the phrase and definition for Natural Born Citizen.
Briefly, Natural Born Citizenship requires both parents be either native born or naturalized Citizens of the nation at the moment their child is born. The place of birth of the parents means nothing, provided they have met the qualification for naturalization according to the law of their nation. Both parents must have been been naturalized prior to the child’s birth. As a matter of readily available public record, obama’s father was a british subject when obama was born. There are valid questions regarding his mother’s citizenship. “Vice-President” Harris’ father is from Jamaica, her mother is from India, both emigrated to the U.S. in the early 1960’s. Kamala Harris was born in 1964. Like Ramaswamy’s parents, Harris’s parents had not been in the U.S. long enough to become naturalized citizens. By this definition, both obama and Kamala harris occupied and occupy their respective presidential offices contrary to the Constitution. Their presidential acts and appointments are nullities, from a legal standpoint they never happened and do not, can not, exist, including SCOTUS appointments.
There exists an even greater qualification/disqualification for not only the Presidential office but for every single office of public trust in America, from dog catcher to President, to SCOTUS, jury member, and witness in all court cases. There was an 1830s court case, reported by Alexis DeToqueville in his Democracy in America, in which a Common Pleas Court refused to hear testimony from a witness who had publicly declared his “atheism.”
That qualification is the Oath of Office, the Sacred Oath of Office. How many Americans, “supposedly” protected by the Sacred Oath of all political candidates have the least clue why I term the Sacred Oath “Sacred?”
How many know the significance of the raised hand whilst uttering the mandated Oath? Can just anyone give the Sacred Oath? Are there no qualifications for the Oath? Failing to comprehend those questions, AND THE ANSWERS, has led to incalculable damage to this nation, the abomination now illegally occupying the Oval Office, not to mention the “freak show” that “abomination” has presented to the Senate for confirmation, AND THEY HAVE BEEN CONFIRMED! Affirming my point.
Question: Have America’s Founding Fathers truly left us as defenseless as we now appear? If the Sacred Oath mandate, found in every American Constitution, indeed imposes no conditions on the Oath giver, why bother imposing the Oath?
Let me provide two historical facts, quotes from our Founders, that may provide guidance. John Jay, first Chief Justice of SCOTUS, appointed by our First President, left us this caveat: “Providence (God) has given our people the choice of their rulers, it is their duty (to God), as well as the privilege and interest of our Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers.” Who set the standard for “Christian?” By what metric do we determine Christianity?
In his Farewell Address (1796), George Washington said, inter alia, “…the Oath is THE instrument of investigation in our courts of justice…” Not AN instrument, THE INSTRUMENT! What could Washington have meant by those words? “THE INSTRUMENT of investigation?” Do you suppose he has reference to some kind of “qualification” to raise one’s hand and utter the Sacred oath?
Let me add the Words of our Creator and Savior that shed further light on this issue: “Except a man be born again, he cannot see (or enter) the Kingdom of Heaven…You MUST be born again!” New Testament, Gospel of John 3:3,5,7.
Our Savior’s words, “You must be born again,” IS NOT a “suggestion,” it is a Command, a command from “Nature’s God, The Supreme Judge of the world,” (Declaration of Independence) Yeshua, Jesus Christ. There are no exemptions from His Command, no exceptions, it applies to all.
Many, Believer and non-believer, are familiar with Christ’s Command, “You must be born again.” Those who mock are nevertheless familiar. Are they familiar with the fate of those who ignore His Command? I suspect that answer is, “No.” How did our Savior describe the fate of those who mock? One response is, “Very clearly.” In the Book of the Revelation of Jesus Christ we find the following: “…they worshipped the dragon (satan)…ALL that dwell upon the earth shall worship him (satan), whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb (Jesus) slain from the foundation of the world.” Rev. 13:4 & 8.
What has our Savior declared by His words? One MUST be born again to have one’s name inscribed in The Lamb’s Book of Life, which Book is to be opened on God’s Great day of Judgment. Has Christ not clearly declared, ALL NOT BORN AGAIN WORSHIP SATAN?
Has our Creator identified a THIRD CHOICE? No “atheists,” no “agnostics,” no “deists,” Christ! Or satan! No third Choice! I have termed this precept, ONLY TWO CHOICES, THE BEST KEPT SECRET IN THE WORLD!
Which leads us back to the Sacred Oath and the significance of the raised hand whilst giving the Oath. The raised hand signifies the Oath giver is calling upon God as Witness to the Sacred Oath. Does not the calling upon God as Witness render the Sacred oath Sacred? (Who knew? And why haven’t we known?) Secondly, the raised hand is the Oath giver’s public declaration, “Yes, I am born again and possessed of the Lawful/legal Standing to enter Heaven’s Court to summon God as Witness to my Sacred Oath.”
Christ has clearly identified every person in our world as Christ Worshipper, or satan worshipper!
Question: Are satan worshippers possessed of the Lawful/legal Standing to enter Heaven’s Court to summon our Lord and Savior as witness to an “oath” that can only be described as “Blasphemy?” My Question is so easily answered, it is moot. There is no possible disagreement, argument, opposition or dissent from this position: SATAN WORSHIPPERS HAVE NO AUTHORITY, NO LEGAL STANDING, NO LAWFUL STANDING TO UTTER THE SACRED OATH, NO CONSTITUTIONAL STANDING TO CALL UPON GOD AS WITNESS TO A BLASPHEMOUS “OATH.”
Has Vivek Ramaswamy claimed to be Christian? If not, How has our Creator, Lord and Savior Identified Ramaswamy? NOT ME! Jesus Christ!
The Old Testament book of Hosea 4:6 tells us, “My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge.”
Several years ago, a lawyer (email) acquaintance sent me the following: (radically shortened excerpt) “Alan, You seem to be repeating the same statements,over and over and over. Are you just trying to comfort yourself with all that repetition? Do you not recognize the ban on religious tests in the Oath of Office Clause, U.S. Constitution?”
Part of my response included: “Our Founders mandated the Sacred Oath as both qualification and disqualification: Those not born again are not possessed of the lawful standing to raise their right hand to call upon God as Witness to what must surely be characterized as a “profane and blasphemous oath!”
Challenges may be raised against my position, referencing ‘a ban on religious tests,’ but nothing composed by man will permit a satan worshipper to Lawfully utter the Sacred Oath! That should explain exactly and precisely why the Sacred oath is mandated in every Constitution. Who but a satan worshipper would claim otherwise? That satan worshippers possess the Lawful Standing to call upon God to Witness their profane oath.”
I’m going to conclude with the these words of William Blackstone, English jurist and, arguably, the premier legal Mentor to America’s Founding Fathers:
“Upon these two foundations, the law of nature and the law of revelation (both of which God is The Author), depend all human laws; that is to say, no human laws should be suffered (allowed or permitted) to contradict these. No human law is of any validity, if contrary to the law of God.” 1 Blackstone’s Commentaries on the Laws of England. 40

Irate Nate
Monday, July 3, 2023 5:39 AM

What matters to me is that this guy is a WEF plant, one of the Young Global Leaders, and I do not believe he has America’s best interests at heart. Look at how hard he has worked to distance himself from any association with these New World Order zealots.

dean
Reply to  Irate Nate
Thursday, August 24, 2023 8:20 PM

takes money from soro for law school

Estelle
Monday, July 3, 2023 5:00 AM

The same thing is true of Obama and Ted Cruz and arguably of John McCain. Since Obama became president anyway, it will be difficult to enforce the constitution against anyone else.

However, if he ever registers to run for president or VP, the states could definitely challenge his eligibility. As would have been the case before Obama was elected but the deep state prevented such actions by 2012 with respect to Obama.

Dana
Reply to  Estelle
Friday, August 25, 2023 3:17 PM

Obama lied and hid his birth. Cruz and McCain were not “ presidential or VP, but lower government positions. Requirements are different for those VS President and VP. Cruz gave up his duel citizenship and became ONLY a us citizen pledging his allegiance to the US, that enabled him to run for congress.

Len
Reply to  Dana
Sunday, August 27, 2023 12:31 PM

Natural born is defined as a child born to parents (plural) who are citizens. There is nothing Ted Cruz can do or could have done after the fact that he was not a natural born citizen at birth.
1. He was born in Canada to a mother that chose to leave the US and make her home in Canada.
2. His father was not a US citizen at the time of Ted Cruz’ birth.
3. Ted Cruz at birth held dual citizenship therefore also dual allegiance. Natural born only occurs when the parents are both US citizens, both with allegiance only to the US.

Jeffrey Hardin
Sunday, July 2, 2023 7:05 PM

What little I have found about Nimarata Haley & Kamala Harris show they too are Naturalized.
Do you have any information on them as well?

Reply to  Jeffrey Hardin
Sunday, July 2, 2023 9:13 PM

Hello Jeffrey:

Yes I have researched both of them and others. You can find my reports on them and that they are NOT a “natural born Citizen” of the United States at this link: https://www.scribd.com/lists/22182725/Some-Politicians-Seeking-High-Office-Who-Are-Not-A-Natural-Born-Citizen-of-U-S

Also there are some reports about a couple others at: http://www.ProtectOurLiberty.org

CDR Kerchner (Ret)
Author: Natural Born Citizen
http://www.kerchner.com/books/catalog.htm

Reply to  Jeffrey Hardin
Saturday, August 5, 2023 9:50 AM

Naturalization is not the question but Natural Born is the question when it come to Qualifications for US President . Naturalized and Natural Born are NOT THE SAME THING ! Natural Born is the law of Nature or the law of GOD ! Naturalization is MAN MADE LAW !