Lifelong Democrat Breckinridge Long: “Natural Born Citizen” means born on the soil to a father who is a citizen

ESSAY PENNED ALMOST 100 YEARS AGO DESCRIBES HOW WE ARRIVED AT OUR CURRENT CONSTITUTIONAL CRISIS

by Sharon Rondeau

Breckinridge Long (1881-1958) served as ambassador to Italy as well as in the State Department under FDR

(Apr. 10, 2010) — The following essay on the definition of “natural born citizen” was the subject of a report published here several days ago.  The referenced document had been placed on Scribd but removed shortly after our article appeared.   It dealt with whether or not Mr. Charles Evans Hughes, who in 1916 was running for President against the incumbent, Woodrow Wilson, was eligible to run because his father had not become a naturalized U.S. citizen before Mr. Hughes was born.

Long’s words from the past may seem to some an eerie prediction of things to come. Quoting from the Federalist Papers, several Supreme Court cases and State Department officials, Long lays out in great detail the differences between “citizen,” “native born citizen,” and “natural born citizen.”

The Post & Email now exclusively presents the entire essay unedited.

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From the CHICAGO LEGAL NEWS, Vol. 146-148, pp. 220-222.

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IS MR. CHARLES EVANS HUGHES A “NATURAL BORN CITIZEN” WITHIN THE MEANING OF THE CONSTITUTION?

A Legal Examination of the Subject by Breckinridge Long, of the St. Louis Bar.

Whether Mr. Hughes is, or is not, a “natural born” citizen within the meaning of the Constitution, so as to make him eligible or ineligible, to assume the office of President, presents an interesting inquiry.

He was born in this country and is beyond question “native born.” But is there not a distinction between “native born” and “natural born”? At the time he was born his father and mother were subjects of England. His father had not then been naturalized. The day after Mr. Hughes was born his father had a right, as an English subject, to go to the British consul, at New York, and to present his wife and infant and to claim any assistance he might need from the consul as the representative of the English government.

If war had broken out between this government and England this government would have had a right to interne the father, the mother and the son as subjects of an enemy power.

The Constitution of the United States puts a particular qualification upon those who shall become President and Vice-President. For all other offices it requires that they be “citizens of the United States,” but for the Presidency and Vice-Presidency it requires that they be “Natural Born citizens.” The word “natural” means “of the nature of”; “naturally a part of”; “by the laws of nature an integral part of” a system. Following that line of thought, a “natural born” citizen would be one who was naturally, at his birth, a member of the political society; naturally, a part of the political system into which he was born; by the laws of nature a citizen of the society into which he was born. It would mean, further, that no other government had any claim upon him; that his sole allegiance was to the government into which he had been born and that that government was solely, at the time, responsible for his protection. “Native born” does not mean quite the same thing. He might be born in a country under conditions similar to the conditions under which Mr. Hughes was born, and subsequently become a citizen of that Country. In that case, after he became a citizen, he would be a “native born” citizen, but he would not have been a “natural born” citizen. From the instant of his birth this government would not be solely responsible for his protection.

Mr. Hughes was born before the adoption of the Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution, so the status of his citizenship must be considered as under the laws existing prior to the time of the adoption of that Amendment.

The only reference in the Constitution to the subject (except that Section specifying the qualifications for President) is that Congress shall have the power to make uniform laws to provide for naturalization. Congress under that authority enacted the following law: “The children of persons who have been duly naturalized under any law of the United States, being under the age of twenty-one years at the time of the naturalization of their parents, shall, if dwelling in the United States, be considered as citizens thereof.” That Statute says that children born of persons who have been duly naturalized become citizens, but become so by virtue of the act of the parent. That is, they become naturalized citizens. They are citizens by operation of law. They were not born so, but, because of the act of their father, are invested with all the rights of citizens. If they are born in this country and their father subsequently becomes naturalized, they then, upon the naturalization of the father, become citizens. After becoming citizens they are “native born” citizens; but they are not “natural born citizens.” That is, they are not born, in the nature of things and by the laws of nature, a citizen of this Republic. If the father becomes naturalized before the birth of the child and is at the time of the birth of the child a citizen of the United States, then the child is a “natural born” citizen. But in the case of Mr. Hughes the father was not naturalized at the time the son was born, and was at that time a subject of England. How could the son be a “natural born” citizen of the United States? If you had been born in England of American parents, would it be necessary for you to be naturalized if you came to this country to reside? No. If he, born in this country of English parents, had returned to England to reside, would it have been necessary for him to be naturalized there? No. If it was not necessary for him to be naturalized in England, would he be a “natural born citizen” of the United States?

The Statute above referred to announced the law of this country to be that the children of persons who should be naturalized became citizens by virtue of the act of their father. And obversely, that they were not to be considered as citizens until their father was naturalized. “…The naturalization of the father operates to confer the municipal right of citizenship upon the minor child…” (Secretary Blaine, February 1st, 1890.)

It is admitted that the legal status of the child, under the circumstances we have to deal with, is not explicitly defined by the Statutes. But any question which the reading of the Statute does not clear up is elucidated and illuminated by the courts (113 U.S. Supreme Court 94 infra) and by official documents written by men in authority and vested with the administration of the law.

In this connection it will be pertinent to make a few illusions to the recommendations made to Congress urging them to clarify the situation. President Arthur, in his Fourth Annual Message, in 1884, said: “Our existing naturalization laws also need revision. * * * Section 2172, recognizing the citizenship of the children of naturalized parents, is ambiguous in its terms* * *.

“An uniform rule of naturalization, such as the Constitution contemplates, should, among other things, clearly define the status of persons born within the United States subject to a foreign power and of minor children of fathers who have declared their intention to become citizens* * *.”

President Cleveland, in his First Annual Message, in 1885, said: “The laws of certain states and territories admit a domiciled alien to the local franchise conferring upon him the rights of citizenship to a degree which places him in the anomalous condition of being a citizen of a state and yet not of the United States within the purview of Federal and International law.”

The United States Supreme Court has said: “The existing provisions leave much to be desired and the attention of Congress has been called to the condition of the laws with reference to the election of nationality; and to the desirability of a clear definition of the status of minor children whose fathers had declared their intention to become citizens * * *.” (143 U.S. 178.)

Again the United States Supreme Court says, in the same case: “clearly minors acquire an inchoate status by the declaration of intention on the part of their parents. If they attain their majority before the parent completes his naturalization, then they have an election to repudiate the status which they find impressed upon them, and determine that they will accept allegiance to some foreign potentate or power rather than hold fast to some citizenship which the act of the parent has initiated for them.”

These opinions indicate where the doubt and uncertainty may be.

On the other hand, Willoughby, in his work on the Constitution (Vol. I, page 283), makes the positive statement that: “The naturalization of a father operates as a naturalization of his minor child, if they are dwelling in the United States.

We find the positive declaration of the court that the “citizenship of the father is that of his child.” (1 Ruling Case Law, 796.) There is no dispute on the facts that the father in 1862 was an English subject. There can hardly be, under the law just quoted, any dispute that Mr. Hughes was at the time of his birth an English subject. If he was at that time an English subject, he became a citizen of the United States by a process of naturalization, and is not a “natural born” citizen of the United States. He became a citizen by virtue of the subsequent act of his father. He became a citizen by operation of law, but he was not at the instant of birth, by right and of the nature of things, a “natural born” citizen of the United States.

And, Willoughby, further on, says: “A declaration of a father of an intention to become naturalized gives to his children, who attain their majority before their father’s naturalization is complete, an inchoate citizenship which, upon majority, may be repudiated.”

These point clearly to the fact that the child of un-naturalized parents is an alien and that he becomes a citizen by virtue of the subsequent act of the father. That is, that the child is a naturalized citizen; that he becomes a citizen by operation of law and that he is not a “natural born” citizen within the meaning of the Constitution.

It might be supposed that the Statute above quoted applies to children born in foreign countries and brought to the United States by the father. A careful reading of the Statute will permit of no such discrimination and, directly on that point, is a document written by Mr. Fish, when Secretary of State, under date of February 11th , 1874, in answer to an official inquiry. The document reads as follows: “The laws of the United States on the subject of naturalization provide, in relation to persons situated as your sons are ‘that the children of persons duly naturalized under any law of the United States * * * being under the age of twenty-one years, at the time of their parents being so naturalized, or admitted to the rights of citizenship, shall, if dwelling in the United States, be considered as citizens of the United States.’ Assuming that your three sons were born in France * * * accompanied you to this country and have continued to reside here, they, together with your son born here, are, under the provisions just cited, to be considered, when dwelling in the United States, citizens of the United States. * * *”

It will be noted that the eminent Secretary of State not only drew no distinction between the children born abroad and the child born here, but that he included all together in the same category and as to be considered, when dwelling in the United States, as citizens of the United States. What would happen if they did not dwell within the United States? What would happen if the father took them back to the country from which he emigrated? Under the Statute, and under the opinion just cited interpreting the Statute, they would, in that case, not be citizens of the United States; and if they were not to be considered citizens of the United States, when they left the boundaries of the United States, how could they be “natural born” citizens of the United States who would owe allegiance to no other power and who would have a right to the protection of this Government no matter where they might find themselves?

The Supreme Court of the United States has construed that Statute and the Constitution, and has passed directly on the point in issue. It has said that one born of alien parents in the territorial limits of the United States is not a “natural born citizen” within the meaning of the presidential qualification clause and, further, said that “such (persons) not being citizens can only become citizens * * * by being naturalized in the United States.” (Elk v. Wilkins, 112 U.S. 94.) Such naturalization can be accomplished by the son on his own account or through the subsequent act of the parent.

Mr. Blaine, as Secretary of State, in an official document to the United States Minister to Germany, again, under date of February 1st, 1890, construed the law pointing out the status of the child if it left the United States. The facts in that case were as follows: A husband and wife, both natives of Prussia, came to the United States. A son was born in the State of Pennsylvania six months before the naturalization of the father. Later the father died and the mother returned to Germany, taking her son with her, and they were residing in Germany at the time of the inquiry.

While in Germany, that Government made some claim upon the son for military service, and a ruling was requested from the Secretary of State. Mr. Secretary Blaine wrote as follows: “’The words, ‘if dwelling in the United States,’ whether meaning residence at a particular moment or contemplating a settled abode, apply to Carl Heisinger, who, being now nineteen years of age, has for about eleven years been dwelling in Germany. It is not known that the government of that country has made any claims upon him. But, if the German Government should, under a provision of law similar to that in force in the United States in relation to the foreign-born children of citizens, seek to exact from him the performance of obligations as a natural-born subject, the Department would be bound to consider the provisions of Section 2172 of the Revised Statutes.”

Mr. Blaine’s reference to Section 2172 of the Revised Statutes means that this Government would recognize that child as a citizen of the United States if he lived in the United States, but would not recognize him as a citizen of this country if he lived in Germany. Was that boy “a natural born” citizen of the United States? If he was, then why would not the government of the United States recognize him as a citizen of the United States whether he were in Germany, England or China? The only conclusion is that he was not a “natural born” citizen of the United States; that some other government beside that of the United States had some claim upon his allegiance; that he was not exclusively and by operation of the laws of nature a citizen of the United States.

The boy that Mr. Blaine referred to in the above quotation was not only born in this country but born to a male parent who had not only expressed his desire to become an American citizen, but who had proceeded to perfect his naturalization and who actually was naturalized six months subsequent to the birth of the child. The rulings under the statute hold that the child became a citizen of the United States by virtue of the naturalization of his father, but that his citizenship during his minority, was only inchoate and that if he continued to reside in the United States he would be recognized as a citizen of the United States (not a “natural born” citizen) but that if he went to Germany he would not be, by our Government, considered one of its citizens. How does this case differ from that of Mr. Hughes except in this: that Mr. Hughes and his parents continued to reside in this country? Their domicile affected his citizenship. Had they taken him back to England, he would not have been considered by the government of the United States as a citizen of the United States. The mere circumstances that he continued to live here, and, upon the attainment of his majority, to exercise his political rights perfected the inchoate citizenship which he inherited by the naturalization of his father. Only from the time of the actual naturalization of his father was he considered to be a citizen of the United States, and only upon the adoption of the Fourteenth Amendment did he actually become a citizen of the United States. But what was the status of that boy at the time of his birth, and immediately following his birth? The government of England might have exercised jurisdiction over him. That government had some claim which, under certain conditions, it might have exercised. Had he been a “natural born” citizen of the United States, no government on earth, but that of the United States, would have had any claim upon his allegiance. The law of England at the time of his birth was “once an Englishman, always an Englishman.” Not until 1872 did England change that law.

It must be admitted that a man born on this soil, of alien parents, enjoys a dual nationality and owes a double allegiance. A child born under these conditions has a right to elect what nationality he will enjoy and to which of the two conflicting claims of governmental allegiance he will pay obedience. Now if, by any possible construction, a person at the instant of birth, and for any period of time thereafter, owes, or may owe, allegiance to any sovereign but the United States, he is not a “natural born” citizen of the United States. If his sole duty is not to the United States Government, to the exclusion of all other governments, then, he is not a “natural born” citizen of the United States.

The doctrines of dual citizenship and of double allegiance are too well known and too well founded in international law to be doubted or disputed.

“The doctrine of ‘Election’ necessarily implies the existence of a double allegiance. This condition naturally arises where a person is born in one country to a father who is a citizen of another country. By rules of municipal law, which generally prevail, such a person has citizenships by birth—(1) citizenship by virtue of the place of birth (jure soli) and (2) citizenship by right of blood (jure sanguinis) i.e., by virtue of the father’s nationality. Unless this be so, the child on attaining his majority has nothing to elect.” (Moore, International Law Digest, III, 524-525.)

The subject of double allegiance and dual citizenship is a well recognized doctrine of international law, and one with which all nations have to deal. The question has been presented many times and in many different ways to the government of the United States. That it has taken official cognizance of the existence of double allegiance is not only not questioned, but is too well known to need references. It may, however, be elucidated by citing a few of the instances.

An application was made for a passport for a youth of seventeen, whose father desired to send him to Germany as a student. Mr. Freslinghuysen, then Secretary of State, in regard to him, wrote the following: “The young man referred to, under the Constitution of the United States, having been born in this country, is, while subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, a citizen of the United States, notwithstanding the fact of his father being an alien. As such citizen he is entitled to a passport. This, of course, would be a sufficient protection to him in every other country but that of his father’s origin—Germany. There, of course, as the son of a German subject, it may be claimed that he is subject to German military law, and that, not being then subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, he cannot claim the rights secured to him, etc.” (Moore, International Law Digest, III., 532.)

That young man had a divided allegiance. A double allegiance necessarily implies a divided allegiance. His allegiance is not exclusively to one country or to one flag, and a man born with a double allegiance cannot be a “natural born” American.

Again, Mr. Gresham, Secretary of State, held that: “While a person born in the United States, though of alien parents, is by the laws thereof a citizen, yet, should he be taken by his parents while a minor to the country of which they are subjects, he becomes amenable to the laws of that country and subject to a claim of allegiance thereunder jure sanguinis.” On this ground the Department of State refused to issue a passport for the protection of a minor, born in the United States, whose parents proposed to return with him “for a brief period” to the country (Russia) of which they were subjects. (March 9th, 1893.)

How could the government of the United States refuse the issuance of a passport to a “natural born” citizen under those circumstances? That child was not considered a “natural born” citizen of this country, and yet his parents proposed to return with him to the country from which they had emigrated only “for a brief period.”

In 1866 a son was born in the State of Massachusetts to a father who was a Frenchman. In 1885, he, the parent, went back to France with him family, including his son, then nineteen years of age. Two years later the son was notified to perform military duty and, on failing to respond, was arrested and imprisoned. He appealed to the government of the United States, through the American Ambassador in France. Mr. Bayard, the Secretary of State at that time, instructed the American Embassy to use “its good offices” to obtain the young man’s release from military service, but added: “You will, however, advise him that his remaining in France after he becomes of age may be regarded as an election of French nationality and that his only method of electing and maintaining American nationality is by a prompt return to this country.” (December 28th, 1887.)

All these young men were born in the United States, but had the right to elect whether they should be a citizen of a foreign country or a citizen of this country. If they had the right to elect to which government they would pay allegiance, they were not exclusively the subjects of this country; they were not “natural born”citizens of this country.

Again, a citizen of Prussia immigrated to the United States and had a son born to him. Later he returned to Germany, with his family, including the son. On reaching the military age, the son was called upon by the German government to perform military duty. The father invoked the intervention of the American Legation at Berlin. In that case it was held that the son, being a minor, acquired, under the laws of Germany, the nationality of his father, but did not thereby lose his right to claim American nationality, and that, upon attaining his majority, the son might, at his own election, return and take the nationality of the place of his birth, or remain in Germany. But that, during his minority and while domiciled with his father in Germany, he must submit himself to the claim of military duty on the part of the German Government. (Edwards Pierrepont, Attorney-General, and U.S. Grant, 15 Op. 15.)

The only difference in the case of Mr. Hughes and in the case of the subject above examined, is that Mr. Hughes’ father did not take him back to England. But if he had, the English Government would have had a claim upon him, which they might have exercised, and if the English Government did have a claim upon him, then the United States did not have exclusive jurisdiction over him and he did not owe to the United States exclusive allegiance and he was not a “natural born” citizen within the meaning of the Constitution because he was not naturally a part of the Government under the jurisdiction of which he happened to be born. Particularly is this so in view of the declaration of Mr. Porter, Acting Secretary of State, under date of September 14th, 1885, when he says: “By the law of nations an infant child partakes of his father’s nationality and domicile.”

It is not disputed that Mr. Hughes is not a citizen of the United States, but if he had the right to elect, he must have had something to choose between. He was native born because he was born in this country, and he is now a native born citizen because he is now a citizen of this country; but, had he been a “natural born” citizen, he would not have had the right to choose between this country and England; he would have had nothing to choose between; he would have owed his sole allegiance to the government of the United States, and there would have been no possible question, whether he found himself in the United States or in any other country in the world, that he would be called upon to show allegiance to any Government but that of the United States.

That it was the intention of the men who framed the Constitution to provide that no person should be President except those who were naturally a part of this government can hardly be doubted by an examination of documents contemporary with the framing of the Constitution.

It was originally proposed in the Constitutional Convention that the presidential qualifications be a “citizen of the United States.” It was so reported to the Convention, by the Committee which had it in charge, on the 22nd day of August, 1787. It was again referred to a Committee, and the qualification clause was changed to read “natural born citizen,” and was so reported out of Committee on September the 4th, 1787, and adopted in the Constitution. There is no record of debates upon the subject, but the Federalist contains a contemporary comment on it written by Alexander Hamilton. It reads: “Nothing was more to be desired, than that every practicable obstacle should be opposed to cabal, intrigue, and corruption. These most deadly adversaries of Republican government, might naturally have been expected to make their approaches from more than one quarter, but chiefly from the desire in foreign powers to gain an improper ascendant in our councils. How could they better gratify this, than by raising a creature of their own to the chief magistracy of the Union?” (Federalist, LXVIII.)

The interpretation of their position, as expressed in the Federalist, is corroborated by Mr. Story, in his work on the Constitution, in the following words: “It is indispensable, too, that the president should be a natural born citizen of the United States * * * . The general propriety of the exclusion of foreigners, in common cases, will scarcely be doubted by any sound statesman. It cuts off all chances for ambitious foreigners, who might otherwise be intriguing for the office; and interposes a barrier against those corrupt interferences of foreign governments in executive elections, which have inflicted the most serious evils upon the elective monarchies of Europe.” (Story on the Constitution, Vol. 2, page 353-54.)

Of course, these articles are not used with the idea of suggesting that Mr. Hughes’ affiliations and sympathies and present allegiance are to any government but to that of the United States. Any such idea is disclaimed. They are used, however, to show the reason that underlay the constitutional provision requiring a person to be a “natural born” citizen if he would assume the presidency of the United States. If, with full knowledge of the meaning of the phrase “natural born,” the framers of the Constitution used those words to express a certain idea and to necessitate a certain qualification, then their meaning is the law of the land. That they did use them is undoubted; that they knew what they were writing hardly seems possible to doubt, in view of the contemporary expressions on the subject and the actual change in the phraseology of the proposed constitution.

The records of the Constitutional Convention of 1787, the Federalist, Story, the eminent commentator on the Constitution, all agree that only a “natural born citizen” should ever become President of the United States.

The Supreme Court of the United States, several Presidents of the United States, numerous Secretaries of State and an Attorney-General, each vested with authority in connection with the law, have commented upon and interpreted the only existing statute in such words as to disqualify from the presidency a person born under such circumstances as surround Mr. Hughes’ birth on the ground that he is not a “natural born citizen” of the United States.

Take one more authority. In view of the military draft proposed in 1862, on account of the Civil War, under the head of “aliens,” it was declared by the government at Washington that the following persons were exempt from draft for military service in the armies of the United States: (1) All foreign born persons who have not been naturalized; (2) All persons born of foreign parents and who have not become citizens. (Papers relating to foreign affairs, 1862, p. 283.) The very year Mr. Hughes was born, the government to which he now pays allegiance officially recognized that it had not the right to call his father to defend the flag and that it had not the right to call him to defend the flag. The government he now aspires to preside over classed him under the general head of “Aliens” the year he was born and drew a line of distinction between him and “natural born citizens”—between him and those to whom it owed protection and from whom it had a right to claim protection.

Is Mr. Hughes a “natural born citizen” of the United States?

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40 Responses to "Lifelong Democrat Breckinridge Long: “Natural Born Citizen” means born on the soil to a father who is a citizen"

  1. Pingback: The Post & Email Speaks with Constitutional Attorney and Scholar Dr. Edwin Vieira on the Term “natural born Citizen” | The Post & Email

  2. James O Allbright   Sunday, May 2, 2010 at 8:03 PM

    Hello Sharon,
    Kudos to you for finding this article and posting it for the public.

    Please place a prominent link to this article on your front page. Beginning with http://www.thepostemail.com, I was trying to locate the article today. I searched for 15 minutes and could not find it. (Not even with a search for ‘long’.) (Possibly I’m just blind.) Fortunately, one of Leo’s links directly to the article still worked. Sometimes a forwarded link does not work and the recipient will not want to type in the whole URL. If they start with your home page, they should easily be able to find a link to this article. It is possibly the best, most intuitive explanation of NBC that I have seen, including Leo’s writing. Plus, it give several ‘on point’ examples.

  3. jan   Tuesday, April 13, 2010 at 8:39 PM

    Thank you Ms. Rondeau and Mr. Charlton for continuing to shine the light of truth on the eligibility issue! Persistence will pay off in the end.
    Regarding Chester Arthur, Leo Donofrio’s research showed for the first time that he was also a usurper but not based on being born on foreign soil (as the red herring rumors swirled at that time) but because his father was not naturalized until Chester was 14 years old.
    This was not know at that time so set no legal precedent (Donofrio published this research in 2008).
    ——————–
    Mrs. Rondeau replies: Yes, I remember reading it.

  4. Rick Morgan   Tuesday, April 13, 2010 at 12:35 PM

    You know, I read you people and your responses seem so logical, especially when I compare them to conversations or responses by, can I say, Obamaites! From those people you seem to get an acusatory and unsubstantiated answers and claims. I hate it when you’re looked at askance as a racist for even disagreeing with Obama’s policies. The only solution is for him to put everything on C-SPAN!

  5. Amber   Tuesday, April 13, 2010 at 11:47 AM

    This petition may strike an interest. It’s located on the wnd.com website.
    I signed this approximately 3 weeks ago & am more than pleasantly surprised to see how the number of signatures have skyrocketed!

    http://www.wnd.com/obama_petition

  6. btw   Monday, April 12, 2010 at 9:19 PM

    An alternative link to my previous message (with mentioning OBAMACARE / OBAMA ELIGIBILITY March on DC on May 29, 2010):

    http://www.resistnet.com/forum/topics/america-is-it-time-for-a-1?commentId=2600775%3AComment%3A2141797

  7. Robert Laity   Monday, April 12, 2010 at 3:42 AM

    Mr. Sankey,referred to as a former “British Policeman” actually worked for Scotland Yard.

  8. Robert Laity   Monday, April 12, 2010 at 3:40 AM

    Obama is suspected of having used MULTIPLE Social security numbers:
    http://www.westernjournalism.com/?page_id=3326

  9. Robert Laity   Monday, April 12, 2010 at 3:36 AM

    Correction:
    http://www.americangrandjury.org/history_power.html

  10. Robert Laity   Monday, April 12, 2010 at 3:28 AM

    You may be interested to know that I have filed criminal complaints against Obama and Pelosi with the Immigration and Customs Enforcement Agency (ICE) and have filed “Criminal Informations” with the US Attorney for the WDNY,the USDC-DDC,City of Tonawanda,NY Police and the Hague.In addition ALL nine SCOTUS Justices were served AGJ “Presentments” as well as ALL 100 US Senators,et al:
    http://americangrandjury.org/public/

  11. Robert Laity   Monday, April 12, 2010 at 3:20 AM

    See “The Logical Analysis of a Natural Born Citizen:
    http://www.birthers.org/misc/logic.htm

  12. Robert Laity   Monday, April 12, 2010 at 2:59 AM

    How can Obama Evade…:
    http://opengov.ideascale.com/akira/dtd/6507-4049

  13. Robert Laity   Monday, April 12, 2010 at 2:56 AM

    http://open.gov.ideascale.com/akira/panel.do?id=4049

  14. Robert Laity   Monday, April 12, 2010 at 2:54 AM

    Ascending to the office of VP or POTUS knowiing one is disqualified is felonious fraud. Being complicit with that crime is equally felonious:
    http://americangrandjury.org/public/

    Did you know that Obama paid his lawyers prior to the 2008 elections to find a way to “Evade” the NBC requirement:
    http://open.gov.ideascale.com/akira/panel.oo?id=4049

    SCOTUS Justices are not required to be “natural-Born”.

  15. Robert Laity   Monday, April 12, 2010 at 2:41 AM

    Obama aka “Obamao” in China, on the other hand flew the Communist Red Chinese flag:
    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=110583

  16. Robert Laity   Monday, April 12, 2010 at 2:37 AM

    It is interesting to note the reference to Chester A. Arthur above and his wanting “revisions”.
    Arthur was the ‘other” usurper. Said to have been born in Ireland. Never liked to talk about it,made his staff salute the British flag.

  17. Robert Laity   Monday, April 12, 2010 at 2:32 AM

    Correction of link to Muslim overthrow:
    http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/7597

  18. Robert Laity   Monday, April 12, 2010 at 2:21 AM

    Hughes was never eligible to BE “The President” and never would “have been”.
    Obama has never “been” POTUS. From the onset,he has been disqualified.

  19. Robert Laity   Monday, April 12, 2010 at 2:18 AM

    Clarification: She claimed that this Dr. told her that he assisted at Obama’s birth within days of his birth. However, the Dr. whom she claimed told her that was not in practice at the time and was a Navy Dr.

  20. Robert Laity   Monday, April 12, 2010 at 2:14 AM

    The “Akaka” bill is not supported by those Hawaiians who wish real sovereignty. The fact is that there is a movement that has reached SCOTUS asking that the USA give BACK Hawaii. The annexation of Hawaii is claimed to have been illegal. I have written several comments on this issue on Topix. See Hawaii.nation.com.

    This issue has appliication to the Obama issue. Is Hawaii actually a Sovereign Nation and is Obama,if he really was born in Hawaii, an Hawaiian National.?

    No hospital in Hawaii has claimed that Obama was born there. In fact they go a step further and deny it.:
    http://www.earthfrisk.com/blog/?p=135

    A story printed in the Buffalo News last year reported a claim by a Barbara Nelson that she was in Hawaii and that a Doctor she knew claimed to have been the Dr. at Obama’s birth.
    Fact was,the Dr. retired from practice years earlier and was a Navy physician. Navy physicians do not assist births at civilian hospitals.

  21. Robert Laity   Monday, April 12, 2010 at 2:04 AM

    WND reports that Obama was never a “Professor” of Constitutional law. Did you also know that Cheney never asked “are there any objections” when the Electoral College votes were tallied. Pelosi interjected a very raucus applaud at that point in the process and objections were never recorded.

  22. Robert Laity   Monday, April 12, 2010 at 2:00 AM

    Chris Wallace stated on Fox news that “Obama is ignoring our constitution”.

  23. Robert Laity   Monday, April 12, 2010 at 1:59 AM

    We at American Grand Jury,as well a my organization,Society for the Preservation of Democracy and Human Rights, “know” Obama is a Usurper:
    http://americangrandjury.org/public/

  24. Robert Laity   Monday, April 12, 2010 at 1:56 AM

    Courts “afraid”? The courts are malfeasant!

  25. thinkwell   Sunday, April 11, 2010 at 4:24 PM

    Jim,

    I worry that an all out Con-con might be the reopening of Pandora’s Box. It would put the entire Constitution up for grabs. If the delegates don’t truly represent the people, the damage done could be immense.

    I think we would be better off to understand and correct the flaws in a system that regularly turns those who enter Congress as earnest and well meaning fellow citizens into human political garbage. We must recognize that power intoxicates and corrupts and it is human nature that all but the most saintly among us will succumb if exposed long enough.

    A massive purge in Congress is coming, and once it happens and once the usurper is removed I think we must use the unique opportunity to tap into the energy, idealism and innocence (all of which will already be all to quickly fading) to enact strict term limits for all of Congress. This is the only way we can hope to avoid a recurrence of our current political cancer down the road. Our Constitution is mostly fine as is. The problem is with the criminal scoundrels in office who willfully ignore it.

    A Con-con is too risky. Just enact strict term limits. — tw

  26. thinkwell   Sunday, April 11, 2010 at 4:10 PM

    Birdy, I heartily concur with your first paragraph. The old media is dead, long live the new media! Thank you Post & Email, Mr. Charlton and Mrs. Rondeau!

    But be on guard, for Big Brother probably won’t just stand by and let its pet state controlled media outlets die off in a string of well deserved, self-inflicted deaths. Not only can we expect a media bail-out to be forthcoming, which for all intents and purposes will formalize the government ownership relationship, but without constant vigilance, we can also expect a slow regulatory choking-off of a free and independent internet. Subsidies can’t make us read their propaganda, but onerous regulations might keep us from being able to read the truth (or at least make it a lot harder to come by).

  27. thinkwell   Sunday, April 11, 2010 at 3:42 PM

    Usurper (or worse) works great for me, but I suppose until that status becomes official (soon, please) a more technically accurate description might be putative President (probably less inflammatory and more effective when trying to educate the ignorant). That’s the term Mario Apuzzo seems to prefer. — tw
    —————
    Mrs. Rondeau replies: Yes, that will do.

  28. jtx   Sunday, April 11, 2010 at 2:13 PM

    CDR Kerchner:

    Good points CDR; good points indeed. Actually, Obama’s whole life seems to be nothing but a work of fiction. The man has never shown himself to be Constitutionally eligible to hold the office he now occupies.

    If you’d like to see something from a different point of view, watch the two short videos below which, even though they start slowly and have a bit of fun, contain a wealth of factual data – more than we’ve seen from Obama.

    In fact in the second video a famous senator is quoted speaking about someone that sounds for all the world like “Our Boy” and really strikes a chord.

    Only thing is the senator was the Roman named Cicero speaking in 42 BC – but the message is still very directed and pertinent for all of us:

    Three Little Words

    Merry Christmas OmeriKa!!

  29. jtx   Sunday, April 11, 2010 at 2:09 PM

    Joe:

    Actually, neither Alito nor Scalia need to be “nbC” to serve on SCOTUS. Only the Prez & Vice-Prez need to be … and it is mandated in the Constitution.

  30. Birdy   Sunday, April 11, 2010 at 11:56 AM

    The Post & Email, and Ms. Rondeau in particular, are doing an excellent job of bringing new and relevant information to light on the subject of Barack Obama’s ineligibility to be President of the United States. The value of the legacy news media becomes more and more insignificant each day when compared to the informative and timely information we now receive on the Internet by sites like the one Mr. Charlton has provided to us.

    The Breckenridge Long article is excellent. You could almost substitute the name Mr. Obama in for the name Mr. Hughes in the article and it would match the situation we have today.

    I am glad to see that Mr. Apuzzo has added this article to his case. The case should be pretty close to bullet proof by now, so only the usual judicial shenanigans will derail it. Why are the courts so afraid to abide by our own constitution?
    ——————
    Mrs. Rondeau replies: Thank you, Birdy!

  31. Jim Delaney   Sunday, April 11, 2010 at 10:51 AM

    Facts are facts, whether they be inconvenient, politically expedient or otherwise. For some time now, I have not referred to Obama as President in my posts. Clearly, to ascribe President would be legally inaccurate. Usurper-in-Chief is more to the point, and it fits like a glove. What a mess the DNC, Pelosi, and the various Secretaries of State have created for the nation. Hope it shakes out peacefully and in a timely manner, but I have grave doubts it will be. The entire system, inclusive of the courts, is so terribly corrupted. Art V Consitutional Convention anyone?
    ——————–
    Mrs. Rondeau replies: That is how we interpret it here at The Post & Email. People who call him President are totally missing the fact that he has usurped the office, knowing that he was not constitutionally qualified to run or serve.

  32. Kingskid   Sunday, April 11, 2010 at 9:55 AM

    Awesome, thanks so much for publishing this! This can no doubt also be used as evidence WHEN this issues get adjudicated.

    (Note: 5th para. “if swelling” probably should be “if dwelling”)
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    Mrs. Rondeau replies: Thank you very much!

  33. James Carter   Sunday, April 11, 2010 at 9:37 AM

    CDR Kercher,

    Thank you for your service and best wishes re your case against Obama.

    At this point it is all too obvious that Obama is not a “natural born U.S. Citizen” because his father never was a U.S. Citizen of any type and four legacy SCOTUS rulings were based upon “natural born U.S. Citizen” meaning born in the U.S. to U.S. Citizen parents (plural).

    Assuming Obama is the Constitutional Scholar & Professor he claims to be then he knew, or should have known, he was not eligible to run for POTUS and, morever, knows, or should know, he is not eligible to serve as POTUS and, therefore, any orders he gives as Commander in Chief are in fact illegal.

    Unfortunately everyone with the fiduciary duty to confirm the eligibilty of a POTUS candidate prior to and after the election failed to do so, or did so and ignored what they found.

    Again, thank you for your service and best wishes re your case against userper Obama.

    James P. Carter
    Vietnam Era Veteran

  34. Mick   Sunday, April 11, 2010 at 8:36 AM

    I have received a letter from Sen. Fred Hemmings of Hawaii on his official stationery. It is dated 3/23/2010. It reads (I quote)

    “To whom it may concern:

    Dwelling onconcentrate your efforts on the huge and vexing problems that Obama is creating by his disastrous policies.” the non issue of President Obama’s place of birth is harmful. His birth was reported in Honolulu papers and has been validated by Hawaii state officials. You are hurting those of us with legitimate concerns with President Obama’s ultra left agenda by the dogged pursuit of this non issue. Please stop and concentrate your efforts on the huge and vexing problems that Obama is creating by his disastrous policies.”

    All I can say is WOW. The letter repeats the same talking points that even so called “conservative” outlets have been programmed to repeat. I am wondering if this recent bill about Native Hawaiians receiving sovereign status is Quid pro Quo for Hawaii officials’ obfuscation of Obama’s past. I definitely tells me that I am not crazy, and there is a vast conspiracy. Only a lot of fear and power could have kept the lid on this for so long. Thank g_d that there are citizen reporters like you to pry the lid off.

  35. Bill Cutting   Sunday, April 11, 2010 at 7:43 AM

    Joe,

    Wilson contemplated losing, and was prepared to bring Hughes on immediately as SOS and then have everyone resign. Hughes would have been the President. That probably would have started a second civil war.

  36. Bill Cutting   Sunday, April 11, 2010 at 7:31 AM

    Again Sharon, much thanks for your efforts.

    The Hamilton quote is chilling. We, as a Nation let our guard down and invited Usurpation.

    Best Regards

    [Nothing was more to be desired, than that every practicable obstacle should be opposed to cabal, intrigue, and corruption. These most deadly adversaries of Republican government, might naturally have been expected to make their approaches from more than one quarter, but chiefly from the desire in foreign powers to gain an improper ascendant in our councils. How could they better gratify this, than by raising a creature of their own to the chief magistracy of the Union?” (Federalist, LXVIII.)]

  37. Ginny   Sunday, April 11, 2010 at 4:23 AM

    This is an excellent find Ms Rondeau. There was no uncertainty in my mind that the law leaves no doubt. The reason makes sense. There is also no doubt in my mind that there was a conspiracy to put Obama-bin-lyin in the WH. It is also a slap in face that he calls himself native born when the constitution specifically requires a natural born citizen. I refuse to be a part of any group that doesn’t acknowledge this anomaly. It is the speediest path to completely undo his destruction.
    ———————
    Mrs. Rondeau replies: I agree. Anyone who calls him “President Obama” is failing to acknowledge the worst constitutional crisis this country has seen since the Civil War. Many of the so-called “conservative” websites do this, and in my opinion, it only makes the problem worse by pretending it’s not there.

  38. Joe   Sunday, April 11, 2010 at 2:54 AM

    OK, I couldn’t resist checking out if the race continued. It did. According to wikipedia, Woodrow Wilson (D) got 277 electoral votes 49.2% and Supreme Court Justice Charles Evans Hughes (R) got 254 electoral votes 46.1%.

    If Hughes had won, who would have ruled on his eligibility and would we be here now?

    I wonder if Alito or Scalia are natural born citizens.

  39. CDR Kerchner   Saturday, April 10, 2010 at 11:58 PM

    Sharon,

    Excellent work transcribing this very important historical piece for ease of reading and education of the public. This essay clearly explains the truth about natural born Citizenship and that native born per the lingo 100 years ago and modern lingo is not the same thing.

    Atty Apuzzo included image copies of the original pub in his new filing today along with three other important historical essays written over the last 200 years which clearly point out that Obama is not a “natural born Citizen” in the sense of our founders or in the history of our nation. Obama may or may not even be a native born Citizen. That will depend on what the sealed and hidden records say about his early life. But as Breckinridge Long explains in his excellent essay and Vattel did in his legal treatise, The Law of Nations or Principles of Natural Law, in the late 1700s, Obama can never be considered to be a “natural born Citizen” of the USA since his father was not a U.S. citizen or even an immigrant to this country. And based on Obama’s own statements in his websites, because he was born with dual citizenship and allegiance (which is the antithesis of being a natural born Citizen per Article II constitutional standards) he likely can never be a natural born Citizen of any nation. And then we have the issue of Obama’s adoption by his step-father in Indonesia making Obama a Citizen of that nation, and living there as a young lad for several years as a Citizen of Indonesia. Obama is a Citizenship chameleon and certainly is not a natural born Citizen of the USA to constitutional standards.

    http://puzo1.blogspot.com/2010/04/kerchner-v-obama-appeal-atty-apuzzo_10.html

    Keep up the good work.

    CDR Kerchner

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