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by Joseph DeMaio, ©2022

(Apr. 19, 2022) — From time to time, your humble servant has found it useful to revisit the issue of presidential eligibility under Art. 2, § 1, Cl. 5 of the Constitution and what the likely meaning of the term “natural born Citizen” therein was seen to be from the perspective of the Founders. 

Far from being “settled” by way of a U.S. Supreme Court decision addressing the natural born Citizen requirement of the Eligibility Clause in a jurisdictionally-sound, actual “case and controversy” among parties with “standing,” the question remains unresolved insofar as a binding Supreme Court decision on the merits is concerned. 

Contrary arguments that the Supreme Court’s decision in United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898) (“WKA”) and certain state court cases interpreting WKA as, for example, Ankeny v. Governor of State of Indiana, 916 N.E.2d 678 (App. 2009) control resolution of the issue are – respectfully – wrong, as discussed here

To reiterate your servant’s view, all of the discussion regarding “natural born Citizen” in WKA insofar as presidential eligibility is concerned is, quoting Charles Gordon, “dictum, pure and simple.” At the time he wrote his law review article, Charles Gordon was the General Counsel, U.S. Immigration and Naturalization Service, and Adjunct Professor of Law, Georgetown University Law Center.   

And as Supreme Court Justice Scalia insightfully noted in Jama v. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, 543 U.S. 335, 351, n. 12: “Dictum settles nothing, even in the court that utters it…,” discussed here.

In addition, lower court decisions not reviewed by the Supreme Court don’t count as “dispositive” on this core constitutional issue.  Worse, no Supreme Court Justice has yet seen fit to pen an “Opinion Relating to Orders” addressing the issue upon either the summary affirming or denial of certiorari of a lower court decision adjudicating the question. 

Judge Ketanji Brown Jackson will take her seat as a U.S. Supreme Court Associate Justice this summer upon the retirement of Associate Justice Stephen Breyer

Here’s a scary thought: perhaps newly-seated Justice Jackson will take the opportunity when the next case challenging the eligibility of Kamala Harris – or perhaps Ted Cruz or some other purported “natural born citizen” presidential candidate – reaches the Court.  Yikes.

Furthermore, the ruminations of learned law professors and attorneys that “[f]ortunately, the Constitution is refreshingly clear on these eligibility issues…,” are also – again, respectfully – inconsistent with empirical evidence as to the original intent of the Founders.  That evidence suggests a “de Vattel” preference which – unlike a 14th Amendment “citizen at birth” or “citizen by birth”/“common law” approach – combines both birth here with parental U.S. citizenship as essential.    

With these facts in mind, your servant recently offered a post captioned, “Response to Multiple Comments on the Natural Born Citizen Issue.” That post garnered many robust comments from both sides, which is unusual and would be unexpected if, in fact, one truly accepts that the matter is “settled.” 

The spirited arguments, hypotheses and references to historical facts produced by the myriad comments – facilitated, in no small part, by The P&E platform’s fierce dedication to the First Amendment – led to the emergence of some interesting exchanges. 

William Rawle, portrait by Benjamin West (public domain)

Some of the exchanges included references to the remarks of one William Rawle, a Philadelphia lawyer commenting on the natural born citizen issue and positing in his 1825 work, “A View of the Constitution of the United States” that “[T]herefore every person born within the United States, its territories or districts, whether the parents are citizens or aliens, is a natural born citizen in the sense of the Constitution.” 

Since the only place where the term “natural born Citizen” appears in the Constitution is in the presidential Eligibility Clause, Art. 2, § 1, Cl. 5, it is obvious that Rawle was articulating his opinion with reference to the presidency. 

In that regard, a subsequent series of exchanges among your servant and several “non-Vattel” commenters raised a question which remains as yet unanswered.  Those commenters maintain that, with the exception of the offspring of diplomatic personnel and hostile occupying forces, any person merely born here – regardless of the alien or foreign citizenship of the parents – is a “natural born Citizen” eligible to the presidency.  This was Rawle’s view.

All students of the eligibility issue – from both sides – will agree that one of the core foundational principles motivating the Founders in their intent to restrict the presidency to a “natural born Citizen” was to preclude and as much as possible prevent for the future the insinuation of foreign influence into the newly-formed government and the highest office of same, the presidency, or in the nomenclature of the day, the “Chief Magistrate.”

Because there were no U.S. “natural born Citizens” in 1787 under a “de Vattel” analysis, the Founders added a “grandfather clause” to allow a “Citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution…” – naturalized by law as a result of the Declaration of Independence rather than by birth here – to also enjoy a time-constrained period of eligibility. 

Founding Father John Jay suggested to George Washington in a 1787 letter that the president and “command in chief” should be limited to a “natural born Citizen”

That the goal of precluding the insinuation of foreign influence was paramount in the mind of Founder John Jay is apparent through an examination not only of his July 25, 1787 famous “hint” letter to the Chairman of the Constitutional Convention, George Washington, but also by the headings selected by “Publius,” the pen-name used by the “Federalist Papers” authors James Madison, Alexander Hamilton and John Jay, describing the topics being addressed in the collection of the 85 essays constituting The Federalist.

Specifically, it is generally acknowledged that Jay, as one of the Publius authors, penned Federalist Essays 2, 3, 4 and 5.  Federalist 1, penned by Alexander Hamilton, sets the introductory stage for the following essays intended to persuade – through among other New York newspapers, the “Independent Journal” – the citizens of New York to approve and ratify the new Constitution.

In the collection of finally published essays, Federalist 2 is captioned, “Concerning Dangers from Foreign Force and Influence.”  Similarly, Federalist 3 is titled, “The Same Subject Continued: Concerning Dangers From Foreign Force and Influence.”  Federalist 4 and 5 bear the same captions as Federalist 3.  Stated otherwise, it is evident that the Publius authors, and in particular John Jay, sought to emphasize in the first several of the 85 essays their concerns over the potential threats to the newly-formed republic presented not only by hostile foreign military forces, but also by “foreign influence” which might infect and undermine the republic.

Jay’s concerns are only fortified in Federalist 68, where Publius author Hamilton railed that, in forming the foundations of the republic,

“[n]othing was more to be desired than that every practicable obstacle should be opposed to cabal, intrigue, and corruption. These most deadly adversaries of republican government might naturally have been expected to make their approaches from more than one quarter, but chiefly from the desire in foreign powers to gain an improper ascendant in our councils. How could they better gratify this, than by raising a creature of their own to the chief magistracy of the Union?”(Emphasis added)

The Founders were thus intent upon not simply avoiding, but prohibiting and preventing, as much as humanly possible, the “improper ascendency” of “foreign powers” and foreign influence into the “chief magistracy of the Union.”  

Against this backdrop, one question your servant posed to the “non-Vattel commenters here was this: If the acknowledged goal of the Founders was to erect as high a barrier as possible to the insinuation of foreign influence into our government, why would they have selected the lower barrier – the “common law” barrier defining a natural born citizen as merely one born here without regard to the citizenship status of the person born – as opposed to the known higher barrier premised on the teachings of de Vattel and requiring U.S. parental citizenship in addition to birth on U.S. soil?

Emmerich de Vattel (public domain)

Plainly, a “common law” approach to examining the Founders’ intent regarding the meaning of the “natural born Citizen” restrictive obstacle they inserted into the Constitution – relying merely upon place of birth (jus soli) without reference to parental citizenship (jus sanguinis) – presents a lower barrier to the insinuation of foreign influence into the “chief magistracy of the Union” than does a “de Vattel” approach. 

Indeed, whether it be deemed “holding” or “dicta,” the unanimous decision of the U.S. Supreme Court in Minor v. Happersett,  88 U.S. 162, 167-168 (1875), abrogated by the 19th Amendment (1920), noted that:

“[t]he Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that.  At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first.” (Emphasis added)

Interestingly, the Court’s statement in Minor acknowledges that, even under a “common law” analysis utilizing the “nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar…,” a “de Vattel” analysis of the term more likely comports with the Founders’ intent regarding the relevance and necessity of parental citizenship. 

Stated otherwise, the Court observed that although there had been “doubts” about a definition of a “natural born Citizen” structured without regard to parental or jus sanguinis principles, as to “all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens…,” the “natural born citizen” empirical nature of such persons had never been in doubt.

Thus, your servant posed the question: why would the Founders have chosen a lower (i.e., less restrictive, “common law”) barrier to the insinuation of foreign influence into the “chief magistracy” when a known and available higher (i.e., more restrictive, “de Vattel”) barrier existed? 

Commenter Fremick responded: “The Framers picked the barrier [t]hey were most familiar with…,” likely implying an intentional selection of the “common law” barrier of exclusive jus soli analysis to determine status as a “natural born Citizen” to the exclusion of a parallel or coupled jus sanguinis analysis as posited by de Vattel’s § 212 in his tome, The Law of Nations.

The following paragraphs are your servant’s response to the Fremick contention.

“Respectfully, this result [i.e., selection of the lower, “common law” non-Vattel barrier because it was “familiar” to the Founders] makes zero sense.  At all. 

“It presumably also suggests that at one or more of those bi-weekly meetings of the ‘Society for Political Inquiries’ taking place at Benjamin Franklin’s house in 1787, the participants may have addressed whether the lower barrier – jus soli birth alone, regardless of parental citizenship status – was to be preferred to the higher barrier in blind adoption of a ‘common law’ approach inherited from a nation we had just defeated in the Revolutionary War. Stated otherwise, it was ‘familiar’ and ‘convenient.’”

“Under this scenario, one can imagine hypothetical exchanges not unlike this:

“William Rawle: ‘I say that any person born here is a natural born citizen, the foreign or alien status of the parents notwithstanding, and thus, eligible to the presidency. The common law dictates it.’

“Benjamin Franklin: ‘But William, now that hostilities with Great Britain are over, would not your definition allow, for example, British General William Howe…, responsible for nearly 7,000 battlefield deaths of our fellow patriots…, to visit New York or even here, Philadelphia, on holiday with his expectant wife? And if their son were born here, in Philadelphia, of all cities of the United States, would that not have created an individual of British parents eligible to the highest office in our government, the teachings of Vattel aside? Do you think that the Committee of Eleven and the other delegates over at Independence Hall would agree to that?’

“Rawle: ‘Well…, the common law, with which we are all familiar, must prevail…, sometimes you must break a few eggs to make an omelette. And the likelihood of your General Howe example taking place is remote.’

“Long pause… furtive glances among the participants… then:

“Franklin: ‘With respect, Mr. Rawle, “likelihood” and “remote” are not the same as “impossible,” which is the goal I thought we were pursuing in shielding absolutely the presidency from foreign influence.  It is what Vattel teaches and what I think is needed.’

Thomas Paine authored the pamphlet, “Common Sense in 1776

“Thomas Paine: ‘I agree with Dr. Franklin. Familiarity with the common law and convenience aside…, it is only common sense.’”

Your humble servant has waited now for nearly a full month to see if a responsive answer would be forthcoming.  Alas, no such response has taken place… yet.  Perhaps this offering will present another opportunity for an explanation as to why the Founders’ “familiarity” with the lower common law “barrier” would trump the expressions of Publius authors Jay and Hamilton – as well as the observations of the Supreme Court in Minor – regarding the original intended meaning of the term “natural born Citizen” in Art. 2, § 1, Cl. 5 of the Constitution. 

As an added “Final Jeopardy” question: Is the General Howe hypothetical wrong?

I’ll wait.

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Fred Muggs
Thursday, April 21, 2022 2:50 PM

Regarding the author’s imaginary conversation between Benjamin Franklin and William Rawle:

1. An imaginary conversation is the weakest argument imaginable.
2. The argument omits the small point that merely being a natural born citizen does not make one president. There is the not so trivial requirement that one actually be elected.
3. Many foreign born, naturalized citizens have loved and given their lives for their adopted country or served the country in countless other ways.
4. For evidence that being a natural born citizen does not necessarily make one a good and loyal president one need look no further back than the previous office holder, Donald J. Trump. He is a Putin loving, democracy hating, cheat and serial liar.

Tom Polhaus
Thursday, April 21, 2022 1:09 PM

“Respectfully, this result [i.e., selection of the lower, “common law” non-Vattel barrier because it was “familiar” to the Founders] makes zero sense. At all.”

Maybe it made sense to the Founders in 1787.

James Madison on allegiance:

“It is an established maxim that birth is a criterion of allegiance. Birth however derives its force sometimes from place and sometimes from parentage, but in general place is the most certain criterion; it is what applies in the United States; it will therefore be unnecessary to investigate any other.”

https://founders.archives.gov/documents/Madison/01-12-02-0115

And then there is the statement by Re. Hill House during debate over the 1795 naturalization act.

“But what will be the consequences of his not renouncing [titles of nobility]? A nobleman, then, may come to the United States, marry, purchase lands, and enjoy every other right of a citizen, except that of electing and being elected to office [because he would still be an alien]. His children, being natural born citizens, will enjoy, by inheritance, his title and all the rights of nobility …”

3rd Congress, 2nd Session, November 3rd, 1794 to March 3rd, 1795, Page 1046

https://memory.loc.gov/ammem/amlaw/lwac.html

The debate was over the Giles amendment to the naturalization act which required aliens with titles of nobility to renounce said titles before they could become US citizens. Hillhouse is speculating on what would happen to such an alien if he refused to renounce his titles.

Lindsay Boxer
Reply to  Tom Polhaus
Thursday, April 21, 2022 7:21 PM

“place is the most certain criterion; it is what applies in the United States”

This echoes William Rawle’s statement:

“Under our Constitution the question is settled by its express language, and when we are informed that, excepting those who were citizens, (however the capacity was acquired,) at the time the Constitution was adopted, no person is eligible to the office of president unless he is a natural born citizen, the principle that the place of birth creates the relative quality [natural born]is established as to us.”

https://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/documents/a1_8_4_citizenships23.html

Adding to DeMaio’s hypothetical Society meeting other members of the Society for Political Inquires speak up:

James Wilson: “So you would deny me the right to be the President after I signed the Declaration of Independence and will soon sign the new Constitution, all because I was born in Scotland.

Robert Morris: : I signed the Declaration of Independence, the Article of Confederation and soon the new Constitution but because I was born in England, I can not be President.”

As to Howe – after reaching the age of 35 and having resided in the US for 14 years, the population of the United States might not hold the sins of the father against him.

This is the difference between eligibility and electability.

Lindsay Boxer
Reply to  Sharon Rondeau
Saturday, April 23, 2022 10:14 AM

Several points:

“persons who might have also attended the meetings of the Society for Political Inquiries”

A) Both James Wilson and Robert Morris are listed as members of the Society for Political Inquiries.

B) My hypothetical statement by James Wilson mirrors a statement he made during the Constitutional Convention when a requirement that members of Congress should be restricted to natives (natural born). On both August 9th and August 13th such a suggestion was made and Wilson argued it would be unfair to him and Robert Morris if such a restrict was placed on congressional membership.

After Wilson made his arguments on August 13th, Mr. Governour Morris suggested and Mr. Mercer seconded a grandfather clause for people who were already citizens.

“Mr. Govr. MORRIS moved to add to the end of the section [art IV. S. 2] a proviso that the limitation of seven years should not affect the rights of any person now a Citizen.”

“Mr. MERCER 2ded. the motion. It was necessary he said to prevent a disfranchisement of persons who had become Citizens under and on the faith & according to the laws & Constitution from being on a level in all respects with natives.”

But it was only after the statements by Wilson that the idea of a grandfather clause was suggested.

At no time was it suggested that all of them were naturalized citizens by the Declaration of Independence. In fact the whole debate over restricting Congress to natives makes no sense if they did not consider themselves to be natural born citizens.

August 9th debates:
https://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/debates_809.asp

August 13th debates:
https://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/debates_813.asp

Tom Polhaus
Reply to  Sharon Rondeau
Friday, April 22, 2022 8:26 PM

DeMaio skips over the bulk of Madison’s speech particularly the part that deals with the circumstances of the separation from Great Britain.

“I conceive that every person who owed this primary allegiance to the particular community in which he was born retained his right of birth, as the member of a new community; that he was consequently absolved from the secondary allegiance he had owed to the British sovereign:”

“I conceive the colonies remained as a political society, detached from their former connection with another society, without dissolving into a state of nature; but capable of substituting a new form of government in the place of the old one.”

“If it is said, that very inconvenient circumstances would result from this principle, that it would constitute all those persons who are natives of America, but who took part against the revolution, citizens of the United States …”

The natives of America became the citizens of the United States. That’s not a Vattel analysis. Per Vattel – “the natives, or natural born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens.”

When Madison says “natives of America” why does he not mean natural born of America?

Is Madison’s “natives” different from Vattel’s natives?

Tom Polhaus
Reply to  Tom Polhaus
Saturday, April 23, 2022 12:23 PM

The question that has to be answered by Vattelites is did the Founders have a different definition of natives than Vattel?

In this 1788 letter from Jefferson to Jay, Jefferson only references two types of citizens – native citizens and citizens alien born. He doesn’t mention any other types.

“With respect to the Consular appointments, …Native citizens, on several valuable accounts, are preferable to Aliens, and to citizens alien-born. …This is the rule of 1784. restrained to the office of Consul and to native citizens. …This done, the office of Viceconsul may be given to the best subject in the port whether citizen or alien and that of Consul be kept open for any native citizen of superior qualifications, who might come afterwards to establish themselves in the port. …”

The native citizens of Jefferson had to be people born in the British America colonies prior to the Declaration of Independence without two citizen parents.

https://founders.archives.gov/documents/Jefferson/01-14-02-0054

Charles Curtis
Wednesday, April 20, 2022 6:49 PM

It is difficult to spiritedly exchange when this site blocks users for no discernable reason.

Nikita's_UN_Shoe
Reply to  Charles Curtis
Thursday, April 21, 2022 10:19 AM

The fact that I am able to reply to your comment appears to dispute your words.
Three tries for a quarter.

Charles Curtis
Reply to  Nikita's_UN_Shoe
Thursday, April 21, 2022 11:35 AM

That I have not yet been blocked doesn’t mean others haven’t been blocked previously.

J.N. Garner
Reply to  Charles Curtis
Friday, April 22, 2022 3:40 PM

The lack of response suggests Curtis was blocked.

Charles Curtis
Reply to  Charles Curtis
Friday, April 22, 2022 10:07 PM

That pesky “spam filter” must be acting up again.

Nikita's_UN_Shoe
Wednesday, April 20, 2022 3:25 PM

Natural born Citizen – a person born in one of the fifty (50) USA states/Washington DC to two US citizen parents of the cited 51 locations. Any other combination of the cited 51 locations/parent citizenship is a designer/STATUTORY US citizen.

A designer/STATUTORY US citizen is a US citizen by act of a formal ceremony or manmade positive law.

A natural born Citizen is a US citizen through the act of nature and not by any positive law. In fact, US Congress has no authority to make nor deem anyone a natural born Citizen; that’s why you will never see the phrase “natural born” cited in any current US citizenship/naturalization laws.

https://winstonchurchill.org/the-life-of-churchill/senior-statesman/churchill-honored-with-us-citizenship/

James Carter
Wednesday, April 20, 2022 10:46 AM

Kudo’s to Messrs. DeMaio, Sunderland and Arnold.

“Why would the Founders have chosen a lower (i.e., less restrictive, ‘common law’) barrier to the insinuation of foreign influence into the ‘chief magistracy’ (my note: presidency) when a known and available higher (i.e., more restrictive, ‘de Vattel’) barrier existed (my note: de Vattel’s ‘The Law of Nations’)”?

The obvious answer, at least to any informed and objective thinking adult, is they didn’t chose the lower known barrier but, rather, the higher known barrier.

If the intent of an informed and objective thinking adult is to give themselves the best chance of winning a drag race, why would they chose a known slower car over a known faster car? Obvious answer: They wouldn’t.

It’s really very simple. Obviously too simple for some people, including some judges, to comprehend.

Tuesday, April 19, 2022 11:44 PM

Very good and well-reasoned article, Mr DeMaio, and an excellent comment provided by Mr Sunderland. I myself (as you may know or have guessed) am neither an attorney nor a constitutional scholar. In my humble layman’s opinion, though, the answer to the so-called “Final Jeopardy” question is spelled out approximately halfway through the above article and reads as follows: “Why would the Founders have chosen a lower (i.e., less restrictive, ‘common law’) barrier to the insinuation of foreign influence into the ‘chief magistracy’ (my note: presidency) when a known and available higher (i.e., more restrictive, ‘de Vattel’) barrier existed (my note: de Vattel’s ‘The Law of Nations’)? At least I addressed and gave an answer to the Natural Born American Citizen issue/controversy, didn’t I, Chief Justice John Roberts? Some final points that I would like to make are that this is a matter of great importance including to the actual national security of our country and that you, the U.S. Supreme Court, and all of us lesser beings, are seeing how EVADING the issue (remember what Associate Justice Clarence Thomas once said!) spells disaster for America. It is already happening (Obama was not qualified per Article 2, Section 1, Clause 5). And, without even a hearing by the “High Court,” it certainly looks like a precedent has been established! My question to you is: How did this happen and why did you appointed-for-life false gods in black robes allow it? Do not be surprised when I tell you that I have the answer for this question, too! Tom Arnold.

Ed Sunderland
Tuesday, April 19, 2022 3:46 PM

My view includes, as Chief Justice Morrison Waite wrote in Minor V Happersett that other sources of common law must be visited to determine the definition of natural-born citizen. He was referring to what law was common at the time. Vattell wrote “The Law of Nations,” a book referred to in crafting the our constitution and published in 1758. 1787 was when the constitution was drafted and the natural-born citizen definition was clear and simple saying, “The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens.”

Agenda is what attempts to divide common sense from this simple definition. It is said in SR-511, that illegitimate document that wrongly paved the way for Senator John McCain to run for US President saying his parents were Americans (disqualifying Obama) and that since other presidents were not natural-born citizens (failing to mention that allowance was temporary because of founders lineage but was actually reversed) and thus were disingenuous at best, lied to the citizens of this country. The only part of SR 511 that had any merit at all was John’s parents were Americans. Why the RNC didn’t go after Obama for essentially the same thing can be measured by the broad width of the yellow stripe running up their backs and IQ’s that matched their shoe size. Just my opinion, and there is ample data out there to back it up.

Further, I have been attacked by political brethren incensed that their child born on a base or US Consulate in Europe or Asia cannot be president and does not fall into the “natural-born” category. That has another aspect directly from the US State department and issues within and without international citizenship agreements that may even preclude US citizenship all together as an automatic situation when born abroad. I have a grainy shot of the text and I didn’t make that up. I am completely comfortable with the Law of Nations definition with all the information out there to back that up. Knowing the historical marker of the man being the head of households and all things of law and politics being of their position, some feel the word “parents” throws a wrench in the definition but I say no. The Law of Nations is clear. Both parent’s have to be citizens of this country to produce a natural-born citizen. There is also text in immigration regulations that acknowledges the a special dispensation in a natural-born that does not require an act of congress for US citizenship.

Des Courtney
Reply to  Ed Sunderland
Wednesday, April 20, 2022 1:44 PM

Did you know that Theodore Roosevelt believed that someone born in the United States to an alien father and a citizen mother was eligible to be president?

He wrote about the case of Mr. P. A. LeLong Jr. who was born in the Us to a French citizen father and a US citizen mother. LeLong was concerned that he would be drafted into the French military if he visited France. Roosevelt said this was the result of dual nationality and that Lelong could be drafted into the the French military and also was eligible to be President of the United States.

Page 291
https://www.google.com/books/edition/Fear_God_and_Take_Your_Own_Part/z0lHAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=fear+god+and+take+your+own+part&printsec=frontcover

Reply to  Des Courtney
Wednesday, April 20, 2022 3:14 PM

How about MULTIPLE NATIONALITIES (3) AND ALLEGIANCES, Teddy and Des? You know who I mean, and you are seeing the disastrous results to our once great constitutional democratic republic. Sadly, it looks like certain Deep State individuals are okay with MULTIPLE nationalities/citizenships! Most notably in my opinion, our CIA and its former Directors and the U. S. Supreme Court and especially its TREASONOUS Chief Justice John Roberts! A precedent has been set (apparently almost anyone can run for our presidency, right, John Roberts?). And, referring to elites and traitors like Obama, Brennan, and Roberts, I don’t know how you can live with yourselves! I think the answer is in a word with four letters (here are the four letters, taken out of order, for you to put together to make the word which tells us how these people can live with themselves: V-L-I-E). Not too hard to figure out, huh. And, sadly, most likely TRUE. Tom Arnold.

Fred Muggs
Reply to  Ed Sunderland
Thursday, April 21, 2022 6:37 PM

“It is said in SR-511, that illegitimate document that wrongly paved the way for Senator John McCain to run for US President saying his parents were Americans (disqualifying Obama) and that since other presidents were not natural-born citizens (failing to mention that allowance was temporary because of founders lineage but was actually reversed) and thus were disingenuous at best, lied to the citizens of this country.”

It is said by whom? Senate Resolution 511 was non binding and did not “pave the way” for anything. A few articles in early 2008 raised questions about McCain’s status but no serious challenge was raised. A small number of cases actually filed were dismissed (Hollander v McCain, e.g).

SR 511 had nothing to do with Barack Obama because every senator knew Obama was a natural born citizen having been born in Hawaii post statehood. SR 511 was specific to John McCain. The two citizen parent theory was invented by the poker playing attorney Leo Donofrio in the fall of 2008 well after SR 511 was passed.