Has the Original Owner of Obama’s Social Security Number Been Found?

Print This Article


by Sharon Rondeau

The Social Security Administration has indicated that the Social Security number Obama is using is not a mismatch for a Harrison J. Bounel, who was born in 1890

(Jan. 20, 2013) — On May 11, 2011, ORYR posted a report which stated that an individual had inadvertently found what appeared to be an alias or name connected to the Social Security number Barack Hussein Obama is using which is believed to have originated in Connecticut.

The name “Harrison Bounel” came up on an information “pull” performed by Al Hendershot in the course of his work as a skip-tracer while researching a neighbor of Obama.

Hendershot operates the website “The Obama Hustle” and filed a ballot challenge against Obama in Alabama early last year.

On January 19, 2013, ORYR published an article indicating that Ancestry.com shows that Harrison Bounel was born in 1890.  Two private investigators, Susan Daniels and Neil Sankey, submitted separate affidavits to Atty. Orly Taitz showing that the Social Security number Obama is using was issued in Connecticut, where he never worked or lived, and the year “1890″ was associated with it.

The Post & Email has interviewed both Daniels and Sankey about their respective findings.

In 2010, Taitz submitted a FOIA for the application Obama completed to obtain his Social Security number and was refused due to “privacy” concerns.  An appeal was denied, so she filed a lawsuit early in 2011, in response to which Social Security Commissioner Michael Astrue has defaulted twice.  The Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals is scheduled to hear Taitz’s argument for an expedited default judgment as a result of Astrue’s latest failure to respond in the case.

Hendershot told The Post & Email that the first FOIA request he and his colleagues made for Bounel’s Social Security number was submitted through an electronic form on the Social Security Administration’s website at this link:  https://secure.ssa.gov/apps9/eFOIA-FEWeb/internet/main.jsp

The main page for the Social Security Administration states that in 2009, “The White House issued the Open Government Directive, calling upon each Federal agency to formulate a plan for how it intended to increase and accelerate openness in its programs and operations.”
We are excited about the opportunities to improve service to the American people by sharing data and information and allowing the public-either individually, or as part of academic, non-profit, or other government entities, help shape our policies and priorities. In addition, we look forward to using innovative data-sharing, collaboration, and participation technologies to support our mission. While our plan spans about two years, we expect to refresh it as we gain experience and receive feedback from the public and our employees. To follow our progress in implementing this plan, and to participate in periodic discussions, please visit our web page at www.socialsecurity.gov/open. You also may email comments to open.government@ssa.gov.

In the spirit of Open Government, I encourage you to visit our web page often and share your ideas and comments with us as we seek to improve our transparency and accountability to the public we serve.

The directive for openness in government was written by Peter Orszag, who resigned in July 2010.  A link in Astrue’s message leads to an undated White House memorandum from Obama stating that “Government should be transparent.”

For more than four years, Obama has refused to release his college applications and transcripts, passport application, and medical records.  The short-form Certification of Live Birth released in June 2008 and the long-form birth certificate released on April 27, 2011 have been declared forgeries by law enforcement investigators and experts in computer graphics, scanning and software.  Lawsuits issuing subpoenas for the records have been dismissed or thwarted by the courts, and the three institutions of higher learning which Obama reportedly attended are fighting releasing the records, if they have them, through hired counsel.

A case filed by Montgomery Blair Sibley and another by Taitz which challenge Obama’s eligibility, citizenship status and claims of forgery and Social Security fraud are scheduled for conference with the U.S. Supreme Court on February 15, 2013.

The Post & Email spoke with Hendershot on January 19, 2013 about his original discovery and the new information he now has.

MR. HENDERSHOT:  I’ve been working with another individual who is a genealogist.  The information that I had gathered relates back to my original information pulls regarding Harrison J. Bounel.

MRS. RONDEAU:  And that name was connected to Obama’s Social Security number, correct?

MR. HENDERSHOT:  Absolutely.  Also it showed up in the databases that Harrison J. Bounel was a relative of Michelle Obama.

MRS. RONDEAU:  And also at the 5046 S. Greenwood Avenue address in Chicago?

MR. HENDERSHOT:  Yes.  I did a separate search using Obama’s Social Security number alone and it pulled up Harrison J. Bounel, and it also showed Harrison J. Bounel being linked to Obama, not the other way around.

I let it sit, and obviously nobody paid any attention to it, and most people thought it was nonsense.  But obviously now, it’s not.  It’s there for a reason.

The “Harry Bounel”was discovered by the genealogist, who contacted me months ago about it, and I told her, “Let’s sit on it until we figure it out.”  So months and months and months went by, and we submitted some FOIAs.

Let me read you one of the letters:

“This letter is in response to request NUMADENT” (that’s what they use for the Social Security numbers) “for Mr. Harry Bounel” (and we used his Social Security number).

MRS. RONDEAU:  Meaning the one Obama is using?


“The Privacy Act of 1974 restricts disclosure of the information you requested.  The only exception that might permit the disclosure is the exception for disclosure required by FOIA.”

“When we receive requests for public information from our records, we must balance the individual’s privacy and withholding the information against public interest in disclosing the information.”

This is telling me, based on my experience as a skip-tracer and debt collector…when there’s a mismatch, they’re not going to send you this.  They would just say, “The name does not match the number.”  Let me read you another letter now:

“This is in response to your December 5, 2012 Freedom of Information Act (FOIA).  After considering all the facts in the case, we agree with Ms. Wiggins that we cannot disclose this information.  The information request is protected by the Privacy Act…To disclose information to a member of the public, we need the written consent of the individual whose records are being requested.”

This guy is 120 years old.

MRS. RONDEAU:  If the number is being used by Obama, is it possible that they had no record that Harry Bounel had died?

MR. HENDERSHOT:  No.  If the name was not attached to anything – if it was a mismatch – you’re going to get a letter back saying “The information you requested does not match our records.”  Now they’re saying they need “acceptable proof of death” such as a certified copy of a public death record, funeral director’s statement…but they’re sending us this.

“This is the final decision of the agency in this matter.  If you believe that the decision is incorrect…” you can basically take it to court.

This is telling me that that number belongs to Harry Bounel, who was born in 1890.

MRS. RONDEAU:  Have you confirmed that he was born in Russia?

MR. HENDERSHOT:  No; it’s impossible.  There’s nothing in Staten Island or Ellis Island; nothing in San Francisco.  He could have come down from Canada.

Remember, When I keyed his Social Security number into my Social Security number search, it came up with no hits, as if it didn’t even exist.  I did that search two years ago.  I got nothing.  But that’s the whole thing with Harry Bounel…Harry Bounel was 50 years old in 1940.  The pull that I got from Susan Daniels a couple of years ago was that the Social Security number had been issued to someone born in 1890.  I’m putting 2 and 2 together.  Right now I have 1 + 1, which gives me two.

I skip-traced Jean Paul Ludwig, and he has nothing to do with Obama.  I have a theory as to why Michelle Obama appears related to Harrison J. Bounel.

MRS. RONDEAU:  Do you think Bounel ever lived in Chicago?

MR. HENDERSHOT:  No, I think his name became connected with hers electronically.  There was never a Bounel in Illinois, but the “Bounel” name was attached to the Obamas’ house in Chicago and was on the first pull I did.  When I saw that, I thought it was an alias attached to his Social Security number or Obama was using someone else’s Social Security number, which is identity theft.  That’s falsifying an identity.

MRS. RONDEAU:  Is there any reason to think that the page from Ancestry.com is not authentic?

MR. HENDERSHOT:  It is authentic.  I even found the entry for my dad, who was two years old in 1940.  That is the census from 1940.

I spoke with Congressman Bill Posey’s office in Florida about my original findings.  I showed them through the database by pulling up everything with a witness watching.

MRS. RONDEAU:  Was Posey able to see it on his computer?

MR. HENDERSHOT:  Yes.  When I spoke with Bill Posey’s office, which is posted on the internet, it was a 25-minute conversation.  They admit to knowing about the inconsistencies with Barack Obama, but they’re afraid to do anything about it for fear of being ridiculed in the media.

MRS. RONDEAU:  When did the conversation take place?

MR. HENDERSHOT:  About a year ago.  So Congress knows about it.  But they’re not going to do anything about it because they fear the ridicule and being labeled “birthers” or “extremists.”

MRS. RONDEAU:  Do you think they fear something more than that?

MR. HENDERSHOT:  They fear race riots.

MRS. RONDEAU:  Did Posey himself actually say “I don’t want to be made fun of?”

MR. HENDERSHOT:  Yes.  I had his office on that conference call.  They had everything:  Obama’s aliases, bogus Social Security number…The research came out of database pulls.  There was a witness who could barely believe it.

MRS. RONDEAU:  What do you think was the biggest thing that the information pull should have proved to Posey?

MR. HENDERSHOT:  That Barack Obama is using a false Social Security number and is committing Social Security fraud.  It proved it.  It’s not Obama’s Social Security number; it belongs to Harry Bounel, born in 1890.

MRS. RONDEAU:  Do you have any idea where Harry Bounel was born?

MR. HENDERSHOT:  It says there that he was born in Russia and came to New York.  He might have had a name that nobody could understand, so they might have given him the name “Harry Bounel.”

Harrison J. Bounel didn’t show up for no reason.  It’s one name; it’s not like an anagram for “son.”  Obama has been using this number since 1979.

MRS. RONDEAU:  In your profession, would this seem unusual to you if you were looking up anyone else’s name?

MR. HENDERSHOT:  No, because I see it all the time.  I pulled one that had six names attached to it because of identity theft.  A man in Louisiana had six Mexicans using his Social Security number out of Texas.

MRS. RONDEAU:  And you do this every day?

MR. HENDERSHOT:  Not any more.  I haven’t done any skip-tracing in eight or nine months, but I did it every day for about five years.  That’s how I did one for George Soros.  Look it up; it’s on the Internet.

[Editor’s Note:  A colleague of Mr. Hendershot’s made the following statement:

While some believe that the Harry Bonnel that shows up in the 1910 census living with a Robinson family is the same Harry that is in the 1940 census, they are absolutely not the same man. One has nothing to do with the other. Mr. Bounel in the 1940 census was born in 1890 Russia and is a white man. Mr. Bonnel in the 1910 census was born in 1860 and is a mulatto!  A thirty year difference in birth dates is an entire generation in genealogical circles. While its not common to see a 5-10 year error in birth date reporting, it does happen. However, a thirty year difference is enough to immediately dismiss that person as match. In addition, though census takers often spelled names differently depending on their level of education, they never make an error in reporting race. A white man and a mulatto man can not be the same person. Period.

Update, January 23, 2013:  The letter from the Social Security Administration denying release of the information regarding Bounel under the Freedom of Information Act has been posted.

Tags: , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , ,

Categories: National