“SHOW ME” THE PROOF OF OBAMA’S HAWAII BIRTH, MR. SENATOR!
Dear Editor: Here is my letter to Missouri Senator Kit Bond, with thanks to Neil Turner and David LaRocque. There is no point in writing Senator Claire McCaskill, as I know from experience.
Sept. 12, 2010
Senator Christopher Bond
274 Russell Senate Office Bldg.
Washington, DC 20510
Dear Senator Bond:
Senator Bond, it is my understanding that a letter has been sent to you via certified mail from Mr. Lucas Smith asserting that Mr. Smith has personal knowledge indicating that Barack Obama was born in Mombasa, Kenya; and further that Mr. Smith provided a certified copy of the Kenyan birth certificate for Mr. Obama (which Mr. Smith has in his possession).
The learned constitutional scholarship and meticulous research of Attorneys Mario Apuzzo and Leo Donofrio have demonstrated clearly that the “natural born citizen” requirement for the office of president set forth in Article II of the United States Constitution , as defined by Emerich de Vattel in “The Law of Nations,” means “born in the country of parents who are citizens.”
Thus the presidential eligibility clause in Article II of the U.S. Constitution means that there are TWO independent conditions which must be met to satisfy the NBC requirement to serve as president (or vice-president in accordance with the Twelfth Amendment to the Constitution), and for which, by implication, the people have a right of verification and substantiation:
- the person elected to the office of president must have been born in the United States, and
- the person elected to the office of president must have been born of parents who are BOTH citizens of the United States at his or her birth.
The Kenyan birth certificate may or may not be authentic, but it seems unlikely that Mr. Smith would send this document by hand-addressed certified mail to 535 members of Congress unless he believed it to be authentic. He has also signed a sworn affidavit explaining how he personally obtained the BC from the Coast Province Hospital in Mombasa, British Protectorate of Kenya. Moreover, the Kenyan BC has far greater face validity than the internet image of a purported secondary birth document from Hawaii that has been falsely claimed to be and wrongly accepted as a genuine birth certificate.
Unlike the purported secondary document from Hawaii, which Hawaii has never verified as authentic, the Kenyan Certificate of Birth is a primary document that bears a certificate number, states a hospital of birth, is signed by the doctor, signed by the supervisor of obstetrics, signed by or for the chief administrator who released the document on Feb. 19, 2009, has the imprint of baby Obama’s foot, and bears an official seal.
It does not take an expert in document authentication to see that the Kenyan birth certificate ranks much higher in face validity than the possibly forged document produced by Obama’s own campaign office in 2008.
If there is any question that our Commander-in-Chief is a foreigner, Congress should immediately investigate the facts and hold open, fair hearings to definitively ascertain the truth.
If the Kenyan birth certificate is valid, then Obama is clearly and unequivocally ineligible to serve in the office of president, and he must be removed immediately. On the other hand, if it can be proven that Obama was actually born in Hawaii as he claims, then the parental citizenship issue must be resolved, most likely requiring a clarifying decision by the U.S Supreme Court in spite of the clear language of the Constitution. This is why it is so important to get the matter of the legally-admissible documentation of Obama’s birth location resolved promptly, so as to move expeditiously to the Supreme Court if that becomes necessary.
It is unacceptable to continue playing ostrich by allowing the questionable eligibility of our Commander-in-Chief to go unresolved. You are not seeking re-election, so what have you got to lose by standing up for the Constitution in your final days of service to this nation?
Sincerely,
Harry Hunter
RE: “AuntieMadder says: I, too,have always found SR511 and the committee who wrote it to be suspicious. Regardless of their reasons for SR511 and regardless of whether or not McCain was Constitutionally eligibile to begin with, legislation that runs counter to the Constitution is neither lawful nor enforceable. In other words, SR511 is bogus….”
According to Leo Donafrio (see my prior comment) you are right. it shows the Legislative Branch’ disregard for for the Constitution. However, it will never be investigated, because Congress itself will never initiate an investigation against themselves.
Why did they do it, they had to know that it is not enforcable?
Because, they believed that the voters are ignorant.
again and again, his father alone makes him ineligible! granma sarah witnessed his birth in mombasa, dude has never been a citizen, he is still barry soetero, indonesian. his own books incriminate him, you don’t hear about them anymore. erect the gallows at leavenworth, they should be working daily for 3 months, easy. every day he’s POTUS, America gets nothing done. i don’t think his debt will be null&void though. arrest him NOW.
MC CAIN COMPLICIT….. YOU BETCHA.. that is the joke .. the two parties are the same… explain to me how obama is different from bush… their commonality is the ceo.. of the 14th amendment corporate govt…the rabbit hole is theirs.. think outside the box…..read up… the 14th amendment was illegally ratified…..it was done under martial law.. and an illegal assembly…if you believe in the constitutionality of obama care …then you will FALL for anything………….WAKE UP…. march 28 sined d 1861 … july 4th 1861….proclaimation 80. who appointed these NEW sit= ins…,,,,,,,,,,, sounds like the 17th amendment to me….i am not a scholar but i can see deceptions…
every senator and congressman in washington along with the joint chiefs of staff and all the courts need to know that the obama eligibility issue is not going away as they hope it will. they need to know that we are going to turn up the pressure on them and keep it on until they do their sworn constitutional duty and we will not settle for anything else. we want this usurper and fraud arrested and put on trial.
i agree with harry h. we cannot sit around and wait to see what the next congress will do. even if congress changes that does not mean they will act on obama. they might just play dumb and nieve. this congress has already been notified and they all know that obama is a usurpur and illegal. as harry h. says we must move now . we have momentum to take advantage of. time may not be on our side. we need a massive organized move on congress physically.
Every one knows that the congress people and senators ARE NOT going to do anything. Let’s wait and see what happens when the republicans (fingers crossed and praying) take back control! New blood and not a bunch of corrupted morons. Remember if this happens Pelosi the evil woman will be OUT! Change? You bet! We are ready!
Why wait? Even if, as expected and desired, the Democrat stranglehold is broken in the Nov. election, newly elected congresspersons won’t take office until January. Why wait all those months since momentum is favoring us now?
Whether the Kenyan BC is authentic or not, it adds new impetus to the effort to restore constitutional governance to this suffering nation. Let’s strike while the iron is hot. Onward Christian soldiers!
Since appealing to the current congress since Jan 2009 has so far been fruitless, why would they behave any differently between now and when they leave DC in Jan 2011? In fact, because re-election is no longer an incentive for a good number of them to do the right thing or to do what their constituents want them to do, they’ve even less reason and motivation to come through now than they’ve had since Jan 2009.
Worse still, after Nov 2 and until Jan 2011 when they’re replaced, and they have nothing left to lose as far as their careers in politics go, I predict even more destructive behavior and legislation from them. Unlike past “lame duck” seasons, we’ll need to watch this bunch like hawks.
I agree Harry. We need to be doing everything we can to get information out and win the non-believers. The more on our side, the better. ?We need to let the judicials and congressmen know just how many people are behing this movement who want the usurper and his cronies out. At this point, I do not even trust the elections to come out on our side!
AuntieMadder et al,
I believe the purpose of SR-511 was to declare Obama eligible by implication via “Whereas previous presidential candidates were born outside of the United States of America and were understood to be eligible to be President;”
I agree with you RacerJim! It was a diversion for Obama’s behalf which in my opinion makes McCain complicit! But it also makes the senate complicit too!That entire SR-511 should be investigated because I don’t know if folks remember but Obama was on that committee which makes the whole thing suspicious! It takes an act of congress (not some committee) to amend or change Article 2 Section 1 or a SCOTUS interpretation of it!
I, too,have always found SR511 and the committee who wrote it to be suspicious.
Regardless of their reasons for SR511 and regardless of whether or not McCain was Constitutionally eligibile to begin with, legislation that runs counter to the Constitution is neither lawful nor enforceable. In other words, SR511 is bogus.
One day the truth will come out and then we’ll know why SR511 was written and signed.
How about something with factual ‘bite’?
“obama’s Selective Service System registration, 61-1125539-1 was verified by entering his last name, DOB: Aug. 4, 1961, and Social Security number 042-68-4425, a number issued in Connecticut between 1976 and 1979 to an individual born in 1890” [This means that the known selective service number was retrieved by GUESSING social security numbers until the right social security number was VERIFIED by return the correct selective service number from the federal government website.]
This evidence indicates the felonious use of someone else’s social security number. More than that it leads one to ask questions about the truths of the obama version of his past. However, there is more evidence! As either a state or u.s. senator, this man used an entirely different Social Security number—282-90-XXXX!!!
Secondly,
“The former Honolulu elections clerk [Tim Adams] who says President Obama was “definitely” not born in Hawaii and has no birth certificate from any hospital in the Aloha State says he’s willing to testify in court to those facts.
“The things I’ve said, I don’t mind testifying in court,” Tim Adams, the senior elections clerk for the city and county of Honolulu in the 2008 campaign, said in an exclusive interview.
This shocking revelation completely debunks official hawaiin statements.
First and foremost, the people have a right to know who and what our president is:
Sen Chuck Schumer (NY):
“When you are running for president, everything should be public including your full medical records. I believe in a right to privacy, but when you are running for president, which is such an important job, the need of the public to know supersedes it (privacy).
YouTube video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQiNTnMWS6c
No proof of where Obama was born is necessary. It is common knowledge that Obama did not have two American Parents (Jus Sanguinis)
Proving Jus Soli is also required but BOTH are necessary to be President.
If either one is remiss neither other is sufficient.
Sad to say, we don’t even know for sure IF O the redeamer was B-O-R-N.
Is he a total CREATION from his beginning, another FABLE of Islam,
sent to us by ALLAH on a maigic carpet to transform our planet?
Maybe if we secretly feed this supposition to some Imam, the Imam
will manufacture and come forward with the T-R-U-T-H.
RE: “Bob1943 says: Sunday, September 12, 2010 at 6:24 PM Great letter, but I still have trouble with this, maybe someone can clear it up for me….Answer this question; If two U.S. citizens are on vacation, on a cruise or in some other country, and their baby is born outside the U.S., the child will not be a natural born citizen? It that correct? That does not quite seem logical. Are their exceptions to the “born in the U.S.” requirement, and what are they? …
Mrs. Rondeau replies: I have read here and understand that there might be a provision in natural law whereby if a child is born outside of his or her parents’ home country while they are on diplomatic or military service, he or she might be considered a “natural born Citizen” because the parents, if in service to the country, are considered never to have left the country.”
Leo Donafrio researched and analyzed this question intensely (Not sure if his website is still accessible but others may have copies of his work). He came to the conclusion that the birth on US soil is a definite requirement, no exceptions. The Senate, under pressure from his opponent’s supporters, pronounced a resolution in 2008, for McCain, who was not born on US soil, declaring that McCain is nbc. Leo concluded that the resolution had no legal validity and McCain is not eligible.
Mrs. Rondeau may be correct that a diligent attorney may find some obscure written support against Leo’s theory; however, the definition of nbc is undefined. Only SCOTUS has the power to interpret nbc. However, SCOTUS has refused that very direct request. Furthermore SCOTUS has refused to rule on merit in all lawsuits that reached them and would have required the nbc definition. Ambassador Alen Keyes calls that “dereliction of duty”.
Congress could force SCOTUS to define nbc. However, this Congress will not. Will that change after the midterm elections? We don’t know. Probably not. Most lawmakers regard the Constitution as an impediment rather that the highest law of the land.
SCOTUS and the lower level judges seem to be taking orders from the Executive Branch, forgetting their oaths to protect the Constitution, and forgetting that the Judicial Branch is designed to be independent of the other branches. Instead, by refusing to rule on merit and define nbc they make the very same Constitution unenforceable. Difficult to disagree with Alen Keyes.
Before November 2008, I contacted Kit Bond, Claire McCaskill, and JoAnn Emerson about representing me and my interests in regards to the eligibility of Obama to serve as President.
Bond did not respond/reply. McCaskill and Emerson told me the matter had been settled, and they looked forward to working with the new administration.
My representatives do not represent me. I want to elect someone who will.
Mr. Hunter letter is very good, I believe people should send similar letters to Congress.
I sent an email today to Rep. Sue Myrick from N.C. Sorry for my broken
English, hope can be understood.
Dear Rep. Sue Myrick
A long time ago, to be considered an intellectual a person had to know Latin and Greek, later had to know French, but today you have to surf the Internet and know English to be considered a well inform person. So using the benefits of the Internet it’s easy to find out that we have not a Constitutional president in the White House.
In the 19th century some new Republics in Latin America had their Constitutions similar to ours. Mexico in their 1917 Constitution has that to be elected president has to be a Mexican citizen by birth, in the full enjoyment of his rights, and the son of Mexican parents by birth.
As you can see, even in the 20th century they understood that to be a president a person not only had to be born in their country but also both parents by birth had to be Mexicans.
Did they copied our Constitution? Or they understood the meaning better that our Congress and Judges today in the USA., even our Constitution does not say parents by birth or citizens at the time of birth , the logic it’s clear, Obama father was not a resident or a citizen of the USA, so he is not a Natural Born Citizen.
What I just said it’s obvious no one wants to talk about, since some might say it means to be born in the USA, if that is the meaning most people will understand why we can not see a long birth certificate or any other document legal and official verified by any member of Congress or Judge?
I’m a naturalized citizen and I took very serious the Pledge to the Flag and the Republic that represents, but I have never took an oath to the Constitution even so since is the Supreme Law of the Republic that I pledged Allegiance means, it hurts to see how the same Constitution they all members of Congress, Judges and the Arm Forces took is ignored, forgotten or no longer in use as the Supreme Law of the Republic.
Even several cases were denied to be heard in courts or Supreme Court about the real place of birth of Obama this Constitutional Crisis will continue even after he is out of the office, due to the importance to keep America Free.
Lieutenant Colonel Dr. Terry Lakin, is facing by his own decision a Court Martial, he takes seriously our Constitution and the oath he took. He was denied for his own defense by an Army Judge, that Obama’s documentation to be revealed because it could be “an embarrassment” .
One person, or one million could be embarrass if a birth document is publish to verified and validate the Constitution but it should not be at the expense of an entire country when is at risk the survival of the Freedom and the Republic for which millions have died in several wars and even the one today against terrorism.
What are you able to do for Lieutenant Colonel Dr. Terry Lakin in Congress?
Sincerely,
Miriam Mata
That is a very powerful letter…thank you very much Miriam Mata.
Miriam – I was very moved by your letter.
It is an inspiration to most Americans when we encounter fellow citizens who have come here from another country and who cherish our Constitution and the rule of law as much as we do.
Thank you for making the effort to write your letter. Please let us know if you get a response as well as the content of the response.
For Bob1943 from Vattels Law of Nations Book 1, Chapter 19,
§ 215. Children of citizens born in a foreign country.
It is asked whether the children born of citizens in a foreign country are citizens? The laws have decided this question in several countries, and their regulations must be followed.(59) By the law of nature alone, children follow the condition of their fathers, and enter into all their rights (§ 212); the place of birth produces no change in this particular, and cannot, of itself, furnish any reason for taking from a child what nature has given him; I say “of itself,” for, civil or political laws may, for particular reasons, ordain otherwise. But I suppose that the father has not entirely quitted his country in order to settle elsewhere. If he has fixed his abode in a foreign country, he is become a member of another society, at least as a perpetual inhabitant; and his children will be members of it also.
For God and Country
I believe that para 215 from Vattel applies only to the category of “citizen”. However, even the exception in Vattel’s para 217 regarding natural born citizen status for children born of parents serving in the “armies of the state” is not explicitly provided in the Constitution and has yet to be adjudicated. It may turn out that there are no exceptions allowed whatsoever, and being “born on the soil” is an absolute requirement to qualify as a natural born citizen.
The Lucas Smith “Kenyan birth certificate” has been proven to be a forgery.
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Mrs. Rondeau replies: By whom?
I’ll second that… Granite, please back up what you said with the supporting facts.
The supporting “facts” that I have seen did nothing to definitively discredit the Lucas Smith Kenyan birth certificate. With hundreds, probably thousands of likely paid Obots around to protect Barry, of course it was discredited….there is no such thing as an Obama Kenyan birth certificate that would not be immediately “discredited”, no matter what.
Not saying that it can’t be…just that it hasn’t been yet.
What I am posting below is Off Topic but I want to get this out to everyone in case you can help out….if you haven’t heard of Rod Class then listen to his private call today and hear what he has discovered and believes if we UNITE and get hundreds of thousands of signatures on his document he is filing then we may be on our way to getting our country back…..please listen and then go to his website for further information……maybe you can make an announcement about it when you have your next Pops call…Jackie:)
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Please pass this information on from Rod Class….he needs and deserves our help……found at…..
http://www.rayservers.com/blog/new-coast-guard-filing-with-five-exhibits-a-e
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RAP grand juries…get this out to all of the rap grand juries. the foreman should fill out your state and have each jury member sign their names on the indictment form.
County Assemblies…get this out to assembly members. Fill out your state and have each member sign their names on the indictment form.
To those groups who are not grand juries or assembly members…have your group sign your state and names on the lines on the indictment form.
People, I would like to have over 200,000 names on this indictment to turn in. we do not have weeks or months to do this…we have only have days.
I need your help to send a message for the people in the name of the people.
THANKS,
ROD CLASS
P O Box 435, High Shoals, NC 28077
11th amendment document Ohio AG.pdf
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JS,
Please tell us what this is about. This sounds interesting but what are the indictments and how would our signatures help?
Great letter, Mr Hunter. I, too, am from the Show-Me State, and the corruption and criminality in our government in Washington D.C. disgusts me. I challenge Barack HUSSEIN Obama and his treasonous cohorts including dead-fish Rahm Emanuel, bogus Attorney General weasel Eric Holder, tax-cheat Timothy Geithner, air-head Kathleen Sebelius, and others like them to prove us wrong. Tom Arnold.
Great letter, but I still have trouble with this, maybe someone can clear it up for me.
Quote:
1. the person elected to the office of president must have been born in the United States, and
2. the person elected to the office of president must have been born of parents who are BOTH citizens of the United States at his or her birth.
Answer this question; If two U.S. citizens are on vacation, on a cruise or in some other country, and their baby is born outside the U.S., the child will not be a natural born citizen? It that correct? That does not quite seem logical. Are their exceptions to the “born in the U.S.” requirement, and what are they?
Thanks
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Mrs. Rondeau replies: I have read here and understand that there might be a provision in natural law whereby if a child is born outside of his or her parents’ home country while they are on diplomatic or military service, he or she might be considered a “natural born Citizen” because the parents, if in service to the country, are considered never to have left the country.
Mrs. Rondeau,
See Vattel’s Book 1, Chapter 19, S217….Children born in the armies of the state, or in the house of its minister at a foreign court.
For the same reasons also, children born out of the country in the armies of the state , or in the house of its minister at a foreign court, are reputed born in the country; for a citizen, who is absent with his family on the service of the state, but still dependent on it, and subject to its jurisdiction, cannot be considered as having quit its territory.
This is what makes John McCain a Natural Born Citizen which many people aren’t aware of. I think of it this way….when the parents are in another country performing service on behalf of the U.S. government and the mother gives birth in that foreign country to a child why should that child loose its U.S. Constitutional rights to be a citizen just like the father and mother. Now that concept changes when the parents are in another country on their own and are not performing services to the government.
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Mrs. Rondeau replies: Thank you. I knew it to be the case, but I couldn’t remember where I’d read it!
Then what was the purpose of SR-511? http://www.opencongress.org/bill/110-sr511/show
Let use not get confused here. There is a difference between a “born Citizen” and a “natural born Citizen.” Not every citizen of the United States is eligible to be President, only natural born citizens. This restriction in the Constitution is designed to give us the best chance of avoiding foreign influence. Eligibility to be President is not a right of citizenship.
Amendment XIV Section 1 of the US Constitution says “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. ” I don’t know the history of legal precedent that applies here, but this part of the constitution indicates that a person born outside the US gains citizenship through naturalization. They don’t give up their citizenship, they just get it through naturalization by virtue of having parents that are citizens. They are neither “born Citizens” nor “natural born Citizens” and therefore are not eligible to be President.
Quote from Newt Gingrich,
From the Blaze;
“What if [Obama] is so outside our comprehension, that only if you understand Kenyan, anti-colonial behavior, can you begin to piece together [his actions]?” Gingrich asks. “That is the most accurate, predictive model for his behavior.”
This was enough for Gingrich to be tagged as “fueling the myth mongering that Barack Obama is not a natural-born U.S. citizen.”
The White House Response;
Robert Gibbs denounced this as more not born in America politics, never used the word NBC.
My point, the writers in Becks camp understand the distiction as does Gingrich. We will soon all be on the same page, and in the same camp. Obama is not a natural born citizen.
Well done Harry. Let us know when you have a response.