Has the White House Released Obama’s Long-From Birth Certificate?

IS IT THE REAL THING?

by Sharon Rondeau

How did Obama obtain his long-form birth certificate if the Hawaii Health Department said he couldn't have it?

(Apr. 27, 2011) — The Drudge Report has posted what it states is an official White House release of Obama’s long-form birth certificate, even though an official from the Hawaii attorney general’s office, Joshua Wisch, stated on April 11, 2011, that it could not be released to him.

Recently the Hawaii Department of Health has refused requests from those born in Hawaii a copy of the long-form version of the document.  Mark Niesse of the Associated Press had reiterated that position.

Donald Trump is on Fox News Channel giving a press conference right now, 9:30 a.m. EDT.

So far, only half of the document is being shown on Fox News and at Drudge.

A fuller version is available here.

One man born in Hawaii had the following to say regarding this new development:

I think that, assuming the certificate is genuine, by confirming that the father is an African born in Kenya (and unless their next plan is to disclose proof (assuming that too is not counterfeit) that the father really was a naturalized U.S. citizen prior to 8/4/61, we now have proof that the president is not eligible under the Constitution.

I also note that, after all the folderol about no one being any longer able to get copies of their original birth certificates, this one was certified-stamped by Onaka last Monday, 4/25/11.

Interesting.

Donald Trump had very recently told CNN’s Anderson Cooper that he had been told that Obama’s long-form birth certificate had been “missing” or “doesn’t exist.”

During a press conference earlier today, Obama called the speculation about his birth “silliness.”  There have been questions as to which hospital in Hawaii Obama was born, and neither has confirmed the birth.

There does not appear to be a raised seal on the document.

Commentary from Miki Booth, who has released long-form birth certificates from Hawaii in recent days, states:

This is a forgery.

Is David A. Sinclair alive?  NO

Sinclair delivered Alan on Nov. 24, 1981. He was my OB/GYN.

Also why isn’t it like Nordyke’s black with white? Microfische. They are implying it is in a bound book.

His obituary from the Honolulu Star-Bulletin reads:

Dr. David A. Sinclair, 81, of Honolulu , a retired physician, died Aug. 20, 2003, at home. He was born in Portland , Ore. He is survived by wife Ivalee; sons David, Karl and Brian; daughters Margaret Peterson, Rebekah Luke and Ruth and Katherine Sinclair; 11 grandchildren; and one great-grandchild. Services: 5:30 p.m. Wednesday at Central Union Church Atherton Chapel. Call after 4:30 p.m. Aloha attire. No flowers. Donations suggested to Alzheimer’s Association of Hawaii.

If the original document has been available for the “three years” which Obama cited it has been an issue, why was a decorated U.S. Army medical doctor sentenced to six months at Ft. Leavenworth, forfeiture of pay, and expected discharge from the Army for asking the same question as everyone else?

The document released today bears the certificate number 151 61 10641 and can be found on the White House website here.

The COLB presented by Factcheck.org inn 2008 shows only a close-up of the number which cannot be confirmed as belonging to the paper document.  That number is 151 1961-010641.

Requesters of data which would show that Obama or his representative requested a certified copy of either his short-form or long-form birth certificate were denied access to any such records which might have existed.

One analysis of the document contends that it was “composed from multiple elements.”

What appear to be copies of original birth certificates for twin girls born the day after Obama in Honolulu released in 2009 contain a bottom portion missing from the image released on Obama’s behalf today.

Historical information on the Kapiolani Medical Center can be found here.

One writer has already denounced the image as a forgery in detail.

 

The image released today does not contain a portion similar to Obama's purported long-form birth certifcate stating that the above information is correct and true.

Update, 4/28/11: A video produced yesterday explains that the image produced by the White House is in PDF format, which allows for “layering” of information to be superimposed.  The video claims that the Obama image is fake:  http://www.mu-un.com/ObamaFakeFinal.mov

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Editor’s Note: A reader has informed us that the link directly above does not work.  When we first opened it, it did, and then we included it in the article.  We are now getting a “Server Timed Out” message with the link, which is:  http://bryankeithnixon.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/birth-certificate-long-form.jpg

Because Obama has not released the image today on the internet, anyone should be able to make a request under Hawaii’s UIPA law to obtain the form he or his representative completed to obtain it.  Obama did not hold up a paper copy of the document at his press conference this morning.

The phone number for the Hawaii Department of Health is 808-586-4400.  At 2:40 p.m. EDT, is is now 8:40 a.m. there now.

Update, 3:25 p.m. EDT: The Post & Email has attempted to call the Hawaii Department of Health Department of Vital Records twice.  The phone appeared to give two rings and then disconnected both times.  The numbers are 808-586-4542 and 808-586-4539.

3:35 p.m. EDT:  We called 808-586-4542 again and got three rings, then dead silence, similar to the first two attempts to reach the Hawaii Department of Health, Vital Records Department.

4:11 p.m. EDT:  The Post & Email has contacted Ms. Martha Smith, COO of Kapiolani Medical Center to inquire as to whether or not the hospital can now make a statement affirming that Barack Hussein Obama was born there in 1961.  We were transferred to the Public Relations Department of someone who did not answer her phone, but we left a voice message and sent her an email.  Her contact information is:

Kapi’olani’s Chief Operating Officer:
Martha Smith, COO
Office: (808) 983-8071
Email: martha.smith@kapiolani.org

From a reader:

Sharon,
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Sharon Rondeau has operated The Post & Email since April 2010, focusing on the Obama birth certificate investigation and other government corruption news.  She has reported prolifically on constitutional violations within Tennessee’s prison and judicial systems.

202 Responses to "Has the White House Released Obama’s Long-From Birth Certificate?"

  1. SapphireSunday   Wednesday, May 4, 2011 at 1:58 PM

    Alan Harper, I’m sorry for the late response. Your point is well taken, but I totally disagree that this is “plain English.” Her failure to use a crucial comma makes it extremely difficult to decipher yet another carefully parsed and oddly punctuated statement from yet another HDOH official.

    What is the antecedent of the relative pronoun “which”? It is ambiguous, perhaps by design. Ordinarily, the antecedent of a pronoun should not be the object of a prepositional phrase, unless the writer prefers ambiguity. I’d love to see an English grammarian diagram this “plain English” sentence.

    If the information in the phrase “which is to issue a computer-generated copy” is nonessential to the import of the sentence, as you seem to argue, then it should be separated by a comma. Thus, in your interpretation, “I am making an exception to the current departmental policy” is the essential information in her sentence, and the next phrase is additional, non-essential explanatory information. That is, if “policy” is the antecedent. For you, the point of her sentence is that she’s making an policy exception by issuing “*another type* of certified copy.” If the phrase “which is to issue a computer-generated certified copy” refers to the current policy, then a comma is required.

    If, however, “exception” rather than “current policy” is the antecedent of the relative pronoun, then a comma would not be used because the phrase is important to the meaning of the entire sentence.

    Since the sentence has no comma, then at best it’s unclear which noun is the antecedent of the pronoun “which”. I believe my interpretation is correct, because what we CLEARLY see is a “computer-generated certified copy.” And the certification itself also looks computer generated. Not hand stamped.

    I agree, in any case, that this is “another type of certified copy” altogether. It’s certainly not a faithful, unredacted, unmodified photocopy of “the full birth certificate filing.” It’s a “certificate of live birth” which is not the same as a photocopy of the original long-form birth certificate.

    “Full birth certificate filing” is new and interesting terminology. What exactly does that encompass? Does that filing consist of all the vital records (plural) that are “on file” in Hawaii “in accordance with (capriciously fungible) state policies and procedures.?”

  2. Douglas   Saturday, April 30, 2011 at 12:27 PM

    Dear Sirs,no value the place of Obama birth place :Hawaii,Kenya,….Moon!!.The match closed by long form certificate (fake or not):father of Obama was a British citizen and US constitution …”two us parents”FBI what think about?more?http://beforeitsnews.com/story/596/725/Obama_Long_Form_an_Obvious_Fraud_–_Sophomoric.html.Tank you.D.T.

  3. Bob1939   Saturday, April 30, 2011 at 10:44 AM

    When you have corruption at the top, it permeates throughout every branch of our government, which is now totally “in-on-the-take”, stealing from the electorate – the taxpayers – to the point where no one in government can be trusted.

  4. A Southern Lady   Saturday, April 30, 2011 at 12:36 AM

    Notice the elephant in the room….in the letter request from the Attorney’s office. They request the Certificate of Live Birth and NOT the Birth Certificate. If Hawaii could make an exception for one thing, why could they not make an exception for the long-form original BIRTH CERTIFICATE???

    And just for the record, yes I do know about the nbC issue, however I think it would be difficult to prove in a Court, since it’s not legally defined in the Constitution. Having worked for an Attorney for 24+ years, I think in legal terms. I think this is why Obummer is skirting the issue by concentrating on the BC. He knows he can get by with it as long as he “shows” he was born in the US. IF it’s ever proven he was born elsewhere, then he’s done and he knows it. This book by Corsi must be scaring the crap out of him.

  5. chris walters   Friday, April 29, 2011 at 10:40 AM

    Let me get this straight. Several key sources stated there is no long form original BC. Hawaii creates one with CAD out of whole cloth. And this is after three years and an honorable LTC Lakin being imprisoned. The Hospital still won’t admit he was born there and told the election officials there was no record of his birth. Over arching all is the fact of who his father was and it;s impossible to say he is natural born. Our Government has broken the binding agreement between we the people and Government. We have an officially recognized Usurper. He has symbols of Christianity blocked out when he speaks and is in open support of the enemy of mankind’s freedom- Islam. Folks, we are in some big trouble.

  6. Coastal Eddie   Friday, April 29, 2011 at 9:43 AM

    All of DC is the same way, all the elected and appointed puppets only move when Oboy pulls the strings.

  7. AuntieMadder   Thursday, April 28, 2011 at 11:30 PM

    “I may be the only person left who specifically remembers his birth. His parents are gone, his grandmother is gone, the obstetrician who delivered him is gone,” said Nelson, referring to Dr. Rodney T. West, who died in February at the age of 98. Here’s the story: Nelson was having dinner at the Outrigger Canoe Club on Waikiki Beach with Dr. West, the father of her college friend, Jo-Anne. Making conversation, Nelson turned to Dr. West and said: “‘So, tell me something interesting that happened this week,’” she recalls.
    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2170432/posts

  8. Father Time   Thursday, April 28, 2011 at 10:41 PM

    Obama tells us he was adopted by his stepfather Lolo Soetoro.

    When a child is adopted the original BC would be seal and a new amended BC would be issued with Lolo Soetoro as the father. It would take a court order to open the original BC of Obama.

    If Obama asked for a BC, the father’s name should be Lolo Soetoro.

  9. Bob1939   Thursday, April 28, 2011 at 4:53 PM

    So barry threw his Kenya Granny under the bus – no big deal, but his bold-faced lies and his evil mission to destroy America, well – that is a big deal!!!. We should have experienced a full recovery by now, but that has never been barry’s intentions, but rather to bankrupt America, and make her subservient to Muslims, and that ladies and gentlemen is the ONLY thing he has been successful at. And we are just going to keep letting barry lie to us and to ruin our country, while pretending somehow that it really isn’t happening, and that everything is OK; Is there anybody in America who isn’t hurting bad right now?, other than government employees of course; well if we continue to be that stupid -then possibly we all deserve what is coming… “IT WILL BE VERY UGLY”.

  10. AuntieMadder   Thursday, April 28, 2011 at 3:50 PM

    Didn’t Lakin plead guilty? I’m no attorney and I don’t even play one on tv, but my guess, Kristin, is that Lakin took all accountability upon himself by pleading guilty. Then again, the Goldmans sued OJ Simpson in civil court and won even though Simpson was found not guilty of murdering Ronald Goldman in criminal court. So I could be completely wrong.

  11. Bob1943   Thursday, April 28, 2011 at 3:35 PM

    Lots of good. The media is framing the question of getting his college records as only looking for Obama’s grades…not true, the college records would reveal for certain if Obama claimed to be a foreign student on his college admission papers…and answer the question with certainty concerning if he was at Columbia University during the time he claims. College records are very important and Barry’s brain, also known as Valerie Jarrett, has said they will not be released.

  12. Francesca   Thursday, April 28, 2011 at 2:45 PM

    Are you kidding me!!!! This is a big issue – he lied and should pay for his crime and everyone else who backed him in hiding his citizenship. This is AMERICA and Obama has mocked our country and our Constitution. He is a liar and deceiver and should be removed from office and serve jail time. Knowing he has lied, he has the audacity to run for another term. He is not above the law!!!!

  13. Apocalyptic   Thursday, April 28, 2011 at 2:33 PM

    I am wondering if it is of interest that Obama asked for two copies of his “original” birth certificate. I have heard much about the possibility or probability of it being amended as a result of his adoption by Soetoro. One of the Hawaiian officials had also asserted that she had seen his “vital records” (plural). Is there an amended birth certificate that would provide more information?

    The following link shows the official request for the “original”:

    http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/hawaiinews/20110428__Born_in_the_USA__certificate_shows.html

  14. Rob   Thursday, April 28, 2011 at 1:14 PM

    Americans voice doubt Obama’s record is real

    http://www.ketknbc.com/node/43517

  15. Kristin   Thursday, April 28, 2011 at 12:43 PM

    My previous point was, regarding LTC Lakin, was

    Doesn’t he now have STANDING to sue Obama for false imprisonment?

    I mean, if Obama couldn’t be bothered to produce a BC (however fraudulent) for Lakin’s courtsmartial, but he produced one in advance of Jerome Corsi’s book, wouldn’t this be grounds for a lawsuit?

    Obama is trying to kill 2 birds with one stone. Discredit Corsi, and make a potential GOP Candidate look like a clown.

    I’d say Obama really stepped in it this time. And it will be interesting to watch him squirm out of it.

  16. Kristin   Thursday, April 28, 2011 at 12:38 PM

    eh well, too many people think it’s good enough that he was born in the US.

    We have to keep pounding it into their heads the true facts of the matter.

  17. Army Brat   Thursday, April 28, 2011 at 10:15 AM

    Proof Obama’s 4/27/11 “Long Form Certificate of Birth” is Forged!

    New Obama Birth Certificate is a Forgery: “Our investigation of the purported Obama birth certificate released by Hawaiian authorities today reveals the document is a shoddily contrived hoax. Infowars.com computer specialists dismissed the document as a fraud soon after examining it.

    Check out the document released by WhiteHouse.gov for yourself…..

    Read and see the video at : http://www.infowars.com/new-obama-birth-certificate-is-a-forgery

    If you don’t have time to read, then sit down and take a moment to watch & listen:

    Proof Obama’s 4/27/11 “Long Form Certificate of Birth” is Forged!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNJfdKClbH4

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eOfYwYyS_c

    The argument is not whether Obama is a U.S. Citizen, it is whether he is a NATURAL born Citizen; born from 2 USA citizen parents. Barry Soetoro aka Barack Hussein Obama Jr. admits his father was a Kenyan, (as noted on his birth certificate) a citizen of Britain, that means Obama is not a NATURAL born citizen. Obama is a dual citizen = a child of parents from 2 different countries: his mother was an American citizen and his father was a British citizen of Kenya. Thereby he is not eligible per our U.S. Constitution to be President of the U.S.A. Why is that so hard to grasp?

  18. Harry H   Thursday, April 28, 2011 at 8:57 AM

    Tim Adams’ testimony was that there is no Hawaiian hospital-generated bc for Obama. That statement is not refuted by the HI Dept. of Health bc. There is a hospital-generated bc from Kenya which is supported by a “Certified Copy of Registration of Birth.” In order to compare apples to apples, we need a Hawaiian hospital-generated bc, which does not exist per Tim Adams.

    As Lucas Smith says, Obama will only release what he wants us to see: smoke and mirrors. But that’s seemingly good enough for O to run again, despite his foreign father. If he is re-elected, America deserves its fate.

  19. Bob1943   Thursday, April 28, 2011 at 8:33 AM

    Quote:

    “The duplication of exact birth-time suggests that the Hawaiian doc followed and replicated the Kenyan documentation. From the hospital in Kenya, Ann probably called her mother in Hawaii and told her the time of O’s birth, which O’s American grandmother then used in registering the birth in HI, a registration that could be amended afterwards as needed to suit the demands of political correctness. Apparently Obama didn’t think the minute of birth matters. It does.”

    Does it not matter that the FactCheck Obama Internet COLB was released prior to the Smith document and has the same 7:24 p.m. birth time?

  20. Harry H   Thursday, April 28, 2011 at 8:27 AM

    Auntie is right; the birth time of 7:24 p.m. was on the COLB. But Ann Dunham could still have transmitted that info to her mother from Kenya to begin with. Without an honest, thorough congressional investigation, we may never know. We do know that a natural born U.S. citizen has an American father.

  21. Lucas   Thursday, April 28, 2011 at 2:48 AM

    Please dont let the headlines distract you from reality. Obama did not “RELEASE” his birth certificate. His records are still sealed!!! He will NEVER “Release” his vital records to be examined. He will only show you what he wants you to see. There is still something in those records that are very damaging to him. Just another Obama parlor trick.

  22. AuntieMadder   Thursday, April 28, 2011 at 1:29 AM

    The 7:24pm time of birth is listed on the FightTheSmears.com COLB.

  23. ColorMeRed   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 11:42 PM

    Video on the making of the fake Birth Certificate

  24. Kristin   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 11:37 PM

    Why did my post get deleted? I thought it was a very valid point and I certainly did not use profanity. Nothing of the sort.

    Lakin definitely has standing now, doesn’t he?
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    Mrs. Rondeau replies: I did not see another comment from you. Please be patient, as comments are coming in by the hundreds and some do get lost.

  25. Brigitte de Maubec   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 11:28 PM

    Today we are going through a much accelerated version of what few of us went through in June 2008 when the Certification was released: We raised doubt of a possible forgery of the document (later largely proven) to realize afterwards that the problem was that it was not a valid long form certificate and therefore meant nothing at all. The forgery was just the icing on the cake.

    Fron what I have read today, it seems that once again we are not looking at the original long form Certification of Live Birth such as it would have been redacted on August 5, 61 or so.

    What first got my attention is that the amended notice or stamp is missing. We know for sure that it should appear on the original entry because a court ordered FOIA secured the info that the original archive entry in the name of Obama had been amended. And then the new director of the Health Department explained that she authorized an exception to be made and that a computer generated form could be released. So one more time what appears is selected info with no indication of who input them and when.

    I bet you that in few days we will realized that this version of the long form is still not the August 5, 61 version but a version of info compilled at different dates to fit the narrative and mask citizenship meandres.

    Let’s hope in such case, it will not take nearly 3 years to have the Press and public at large understanding that we have still not seen the real McCoy.

  26. ramboike   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 9:51 PM

    Just a quick note on Ann Barnhardt:

    She talks a good game, but the reality here is she looks like a flip-flopping hypocrite.

    Ann is supporting LtC Alan West for the presidency who has taken at least 3 different oaths to our Constitution and hasn’t stood up against 0bumm0’s usurping it.

  27. ramboike   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 9:38 PM

    Kristin,

    It should never be decided in a court of public opinion.

    Just like elections, votes do not overrule constitutional law.

  28. Birdy   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 9:27 PM

    Juan Williams on Fox Business’ Follow the Money (4/27) says “someone puts a border on it to make it look more like it’s supposed to look like. Fine.” Really Juan? They put a border on “it” so that “it” looks more like a real birth certificate? And that’s fine? What is wrong with these people? Are they just plain stupid?

    I don’t know what that thing is that Obama is showing, but it’s not a real birth certificate. If it were real, it would look like the Nordyke negative image from a microfiche. This thing is a photocopy of some paperwork in the DoH file that never lead to the issuance of a real birth certificate. As we’ve said before, Obama does not have a real long-form birth certificate.

    They need to explain what this document is. The Nordyke certificate is real. This is nothing like that.

  29. Jack   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 8:47 PM

    Yup, the whole enchilada is in serious, knee jerk damage control mode. Must be getting mighty crowded under the “osamba bus” ,soon they will have to start rolling the old bodies out the back, to make room for the new ones that are sure to follow!

    Semper Fi

  30. Pete   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 8:23 PM

    Has anybody bothered to look at the type set for Obama released BC, and that from the ‘claimed’ same hospital and typewriters as the Nordyke twins.

    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=292213

    http://www.biasedmediaboycott.com/index.php?topic=80.0

    Funny, they don’t look like it’s the same size or font.

    Pete

  31. JJ   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 8:09 PM

    What is this birth certificate that the White House released to the media? http://media.timesleader.com/images/300*359/obama+birth+certificate.jpg

    Why does it appear to be on a white background instead of the green image???

  32. AuntieMadder   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 7:57 PM

    Someone explained that the image was broken up into elements, seen by Adobe software products as layers, when the hard copy was scanned. Also, Adobe products will automatically create clipping objects and masks for editing purposes when a document is scanned. This is because Adobe products are created for and used for editing, so the software automatically assumes the file is being scanned for editing purposes.

  33. AuntieMadder   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 7:50 PM

    Only if I get to add that it is Dr Fuddinstein’s creation.

  34. Alex   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 7:49 PM

    They’ve been forced into a stinking cesspool of their own making, and that is because people, and especially Donald Trump, pushed to see the birth certificate. We should never drop this issue, because it will prove that Obama wasn’t born here, and his mother wasn’t old enough to confer citizenship on him, let alone natural born citizenship. Most everyone can understand that if you’re born in Kenya, you’re not eligible to be president.

    Obama and The Powers That Be don’t care about the fact that his father was British. Barry openly and somewhat proudly admits that. So let’s continue with what works, coupled with questions to True Believers about how long they are willing to be made fools of by the likes of the criminal Obama and his big money backers. And push question after question about dead man’s Social Security number he’s using – wish Trump would get the memo about that!

  35. Jack   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 7:34 PM

    Roger that, sir….Nuts !

    Semper Fi

  36. Obama Researcher   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 7:18 PM

    7:24 pm time of birth.

    How did Lucas Smith Kenyan BC have the exact identical time to the minute. That is no accident. Did Grandma or Momma take a copy of the Kenyan BC to Hawaii and present it to Hawaii. How else can 2 BC 15,000 miles apart have the exact time of day on them. Impossible.

    Remember today is the first time we see the time from Hawaii.

    Kenya gave the time 2 years ago.

    I say the time being the same proves the Kenyan BC is genuine.

    Time to arrest Obama and have a full trial for Forgery and High Treason.

  37. Jack   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 7:16 PM

    Very well stated ma’am, I’m in complete agreement on all 4 points. Trump is in complete effortless control of the debate, the media, and barky. And he’s doing it with confidence, style and sincerity. I just watched him call barky “incompetent” on cnn…PRICELESS!!!

    Semper Fi

  38. Starla   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 6:15 PM

    A Few Comments From: http://citizenwells.wordpress.com/2011/04/27/obama-long-form-birth-certificate-fact-vs-fiction-whitehouse-gov-obama-abercrombie-adams-trump-who-is-lying/#comment-198955

    “barberick | April 27, 2011 at 5:27 pm |

    I have no idea how the White House could release such a blatant forged document, but being in graphic design and working with photoshop and illustrator – you can figure this out really easy.

    I have Adobe Illustrator, and you can open a document and if it’s a digital document you can separate it into layers (if there are layers). I have to deal with this all the time when sending out documents to printers, etc. If I create a layered document and then save it as a pdf, I have to make sure the document is “collapsed” meaning all the layers are put together – before saving it – otherwise the printer will get a jumbled mess when opening my files.

    This birth certificate is not a copy – it is SEVERAL layers!!!!! Meaning it was created digitally, not copied from a book. A copy would not have layers . . . does this makes sense? If I copy my birth certificate and open it in Illustrator, I cannot “extract” one line or a date, etc. unless these lines were “put in separately.”

    It’s all on the internet, but I decided to try it for myself – I downloaded the image from the whitehouse site, opened it in Illustrator, hit “open layers” and there they all are!!!!! It’s so SCARY how this is not going to be scrutinized. (Maybe it will be – some are saying Obama just opened up a huge can of worms by releasing this)

    We’ll all look like a bunch of crazies. But the media just says, “oh, there’s the birth certificate – case closed.”

    IT’S INSANE!!! I’m telling you – I can take this document and divide it up into the different layers that were used to create it – it’s a FAKE digital file!!!!!!”

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    “Jerome | April 27, 2011 at 5:32 pm |

    Just for an experiment I scanned a book into photoshop and output it as a pdf. Then brought it into Illustrator. It was nice and CLEAN! No compression artifacting around the text or anything like you see in this BC. It created two simple layers. One with a white background and one with everything else. Also a scanner does not create the kind of heavy curved distortion you see in the BC where the book binding supposedly started. Very little in fact. That’s because the scanner lens moves up and down the page. In the BC you see it’s heavily warped at the top of the image but straight at the bottom. You can’t create that with a scanner. Only a camera with a fixed focus point would do that. Why use a camera?

    This BC has been through the digital ringer. The only question is did they do this on purpose???”

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  39. Harry H   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 6:13 PM

    The key to the HI bc is the time of O’s birth. The Kenyan bc from Coast Province General Hospital, which has been in the public domain for a very long time, says baby O was born Aug. 4, 1961 at 7:24 p.m. The HI doc released today says Obama was born on the same day at EXACTLY the same time, down to the minute: 7:24 p.m.

    If the Kenyan bc were forged, what is the probability that a forger could have guessed the exact minute of O’s Hawaiian birth, which was unknown until today? Very close to zero probability, I’d say. One must also consider Hawaii’s lax rules for registering births, their provisions for amending birth records, and the history of confusing information coming from Hawaiian officials who have a vested interest in their “favorite son”–not to mention the enormous incentive for producing a doctored HI document.

    The duplication of exact birth-time suggests that the Hawaiian doc followed and replicated the Kenyan documentation. From the hospital in Kenya, Ann probably called her mother in Hawaii and told her the time of O’s birth, which O’s American grandmother then used in registering the birth in HI, a registration that could be amended afterwards as needed to suit the demands of political correctness. Apparently Obama didn’t think the minute of birth matters. It does.

  40. kittycat77   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 6:00 PM

    Then arrest his sorry you-know-what.

  41. Kristin   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 5:59 PM

    About impeaching Obama…

    WHO is going to remove him from office? Can you or I do it? Who can do this?

    Mark Levin, a Constitutional Lawyer says he can’t just simply be removed.
    ———————–
    Mrs. Rondeau replies: From what I have observed, Levin is part of the problem. If Obama is accused of high crimes and misdemeanors or proven to be a criminal, he could certainly be removed – to a prison cell to await trial.

  42. Kristin   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 5:57 PM

    You Know??? I bet LTC Lakin has STANDING to file charges against Obama for false imprisonment.

    Is that logical to assume? Even Possible??

  43. AuntieMadder   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 5:47 PM

    SapphireSunday, because you explained so well what the document presented this morning actually is, how and when it came to be, and possible implications, I took the liberty of copying your comment here, in full, and pasting it into a couple of discussion threads at two other blogs (ORYR and Gateway Pundit). I did include your handle and a direct link to your comment here. In my effort to ease the minds of so many who are “all wee wee’d up” over the authenticity of the document, or lack thereof, and the changes caused by verification of its existence, all non-issues in light of how the document came to be, I hope I didn’t get myself in trouble with you or with P&E News.

    PS for Mrs Rondeau: I added the following that I copied from the second page of comments to this post: The operative phrase at the bottom is that it is a “COPY OR ABSTRACT” (abstract meaning lifted summary information; not necessarily complete information or a reproduction of the entire document.)

  44. Midnight   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 5:46 PM

    “Would any document do that if it was just photocopied? I saw someone saying that somewhere, and I know nothing about it.”

    There are readers which will recognize letters and handwriting and then retype them for you for better legibility. But no, there’s no way that any software will stamp/brush out the content underneath on one layer, and then separate that type with a different color above in a layer. This document was compose as layers. There’s no way around it. And yes, I’m an expert in this. Parts of some fields show original content in full, like the signatures, but some fields are partially edited, like dates (see bottom left, look at the second number 1 in the day of month “11”). You don’t need Illustrator to see this with your own eyes. Then scan the pixels around the field (rectangle). You can do this if you wish without need of opening and viewing the layers.

  45. Midnight   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 5:42 PM

    I’ll answer questions, but I will not send any document. You all have to understand the nature of what’s happening.

    Looks like they erased that link in DrudgeReport which broke the story. The website is down.

    A PDF file is a type that’s commonly used to send to others who don’t have the same editing software, Adobe Illustrator being one of many. A PDF can be viewed by anyone as a flat document. But with Illustrator, a person can open the PDF as a layered composition if that document was built as a composition of layers. You would have a background image, some editing on top of that background or above on a layer (Photoshop editing). Say you want to replace some content, you would use the rubberstamp or brush tool and sample the area and cover over some content. Then on top of that you would add a layer and create some new content, like type, then raster that as pixels, maybe stress its edges for a dated look. Some things appear to be from another document. At the base is a certificate with the signatures, but some fields are partially replaced. If you look at the date lower left, you can see what I’m talking about with ink density. When you save this PDF out, it saves with the layers. All it takes is someone who has Adobe Illustrator or another program to see how it was built. A person might be able to download a demo version of the software to see. If a person does, they only need to open the PDF, go to Windows in the Menu, and Show Layers. A window pops up – there, you click on the little triangle in front of the layer labels to allow the sub folders to open and appear, then click to open ever sub folder. There you will see all the elements which compose the file as layers.

  46. Alan Harper   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 5:33 PM

    > I am MAKING AN EXCEPTION to the current departmental policy which is TO ISSUE A COMPUTER-GENERATED CERTIFIED COPY,’ she wrote.”

    > The exception was to issue a COMPUTER-GENERATED certified copy.

    That is not how I understand the plain English above. The “current departmental policy” is “TO ISSUE A COMPUTER-GENERATED CERTIFIED COPY”. To that policy, she is “MAKING AN EXCEPTION”.
    So the exception was *not* to issue a computer-generated certified copy, but to issue *another type* of certified copy.

  47. Starla   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 5:32 PM

    Some Comments From: http://www.citizenwells.wordpress.com/2011/04/27/obama-long-form-birth-certificate-fact-vs-fiction-whitehouse-gov-obama-abercrombie-adams-trump-who-is-lying/#comment-198941

    “Truth Now | April 27, 2011 at 4:48 pm |

    WE NEED TO GET TRUMP TO EXPOSE HIS NUMEROUS SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBERS!!!!

    http://WWW.COMMIEBLASTER.COM

    * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

    “kay | April 27, 2011 at 4:52 pm |

    http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=185094

    “This proves Obama’s “certificate of live birth” is a fraud. Why? This is not the long form birth certificate which should have the babies weight and length on it. The top says,
    “certificate of live birth.” So why is everyone saying it is the “original long form birth certificate,” when it is not.”

    * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

    “Shannon | April 27, 2011 at 5:01 pm |

    That stunt that Obama pulled today didn’t fool me, not one bit. I had to provide my REAL birth certificate just for me to renew my drivers license. So why can’t he, [the servant of We The People, the president of the United States Of America], who the hell does he think he is??????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I never heard of any certificate of live birth before through out my whole life until he had it on fact check. So, who does he thinks he’s fooling???!!! I hope Trump send forensics to check it out.”

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  48. Starla   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 5:26 PM

    “Truth Now | April 27, 2011 at 4:48 pm |

    WE NEED TO GET TRUMP TO EXPOSE HIS NUMEROUS SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBERS!!!!

    http://WWW.COMMIEBLASTER.COM

    * * * * * * * * * * * *

    “kay | April 27, 2011 at 4:52 pm |

    http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=185094

    “this proves Obama’s “certificate of live birth” is a fraud. Why? This is not the long form birth certificate which should have the babies weigh and lenth on it. The top says “certificate of live birth,” so why is everyone saying it is the “original long form birth certificate,” when it is not.”

    * * * * * * * * * * * *

    “WHAT DOES IMPEACHMENT HAVE TO DO WITH IT???”

    Posted by Ann Barnhardt – April 26, AD 2011

    Excerpt:

    “If he is removed via law enforcement action – as he should be – the entire Obama regime and currently usurping Executive Branch would be instantly dissolved and nullified, as would ALL ACTIONS and LAWS enacted by the Obama regime. Do you understand what this means? If Obama is arrested, ObamaCare instantly ceases to be. All of the drilling moratoriums instantly cease to be. Everything that these Godforsaken Communist wretches have done INSTANTLY, LEGALLY, and PERMANENTLY is deleted. Sotomayor and Kagan? PACK YOUR BAGS, YOU MARXIST WENCHES. Eric Holder? What size orange jumpsuit can we fit you with, Player?

    Obama needs to be arrested and held without bail, as he is obviously a massive, massive flight risk. The first thing that Law Enforcement needs to do is determine if he is a full citizen, dual citizen or not a citizen at all. If he is a full or dual citizen, he needs to be tried for treason given all of the rights and due process afforded a citizen of the United States under the Constitution. If convicted, he needs to spend the rest of his life in the SuperMax Federal Pen in Florence, Colorado. If he is found to have no U.S. citizenship at all, he needs to be tried by a military tribunal as an enemy combatant, and if convicted, specially housed for the rest of his life at Florence, Colorado.

    This man and his cabal of fellow criminals has committed the single-largest act of fraud in the HISTORY OF THE WORLD. And I’m not exaggerating. He has usurped the office of Chief Executive of the LARGEST ECONOMY IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD – and in that capacity actively attempted to destroy it, the rammifications of which would adversely affect most of the 6.8 billion souls on this planet. Further, he has usurped as Commander in Chief the most powerful military and weapons arsenal in the history of the world. He has had the personal capacity to launch weapons that could literally kill billions of people in a matter of hours. This is NO. FRICKING. JOKE. This is not some game. This is not a TV show. This is as deathly serious as it gets.

    Read this over and over until you understand. Then send it to everyone you know. This is not an impeachment situation, and impeachment would only legitimize a completely illegitimate usurper and fraud. This is a straight-up law enforcement action.”

    Ann Barnhardt
    Lone Tree, Colorado
    April 26, AD 2011

    Read More Here: http://barnhardt.biz/index.cfm

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    “Shannon | April 27, 2011 at 5:01 pm |

    That stunt that Obama pulled today didn’t fool me, not one bit. I had to provide my REAL birth certificate just for me to renew my drivers license. So why can’t he, who the hell does he think he is??????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I never heard of any certificate of live birth before through out my whole life until he had it on fact check. So, who does he thinks he’s fooling? I hope Trump send forensics to check it out.”

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  49. wood river   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 5:10 PM

    Ok, I have a Mac so it is very easy for me to do this. Drag the pdf file to my desktop. then open it in adobe reader, select it , copy it and paste it into Microsoft word! the resulting picture clearly show how the file was altered . Most of the black lettering appears white, but there are a few black ones also. The 1 in the upper right hand corner, the K in box 11, the S in box 13, part of signature in box 18a Stanley Ann D, the boxes in 18a and 19a , the check for parent in 18a, the scribble in box MD, the signature box 19a David A Sinclair, the signature in box 21 olelee, box and x in box 7e, the R in box 1a, the M. in the hour of birth.

    Anyone can do the in a minute! try it.

  50. live oak   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 5:08 PM

    Here we go…from Commieblaster. Even though it’s a forgery, it lists kenya boy’s father at age 25 from East Africa. He is NOT a natural born citizen. End of story.

    http://www.commieblaster.com/dl/BHO-LFBC.pdf

  51. Texas Voter   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 5:00 PM

    Ooh-ooh-ooh! Can I be the first to call this the “Frankenstien Certificate”?!

  52. Starla   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 4:55 PM

    “ASSOCIATED PRESS INVOLVED IN NEW OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE FORGERY!? THE SMOKING GUN ALSO RAISES QUESTIONS ABOUT THE VALIDITY OF DOCUMENT”

    http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2011/04/associated-press-involved-in-new-obama.html

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  53. Starla   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 4:46 PM

    From: http://citizenwells.wordpress.com/2011/04/27/obama-long-form-birth-certificate-fact-vs-fiction-whitehouse-gov-obama-abercrombie-adams-trump-who-is-lying/#comments

    “Jonah | April 27, 2011 at 3:21 pm |

    From Free Republic

    Open the Birth Certificate in Photoshop and See the Forgery
    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2711302/posts?page=2#2

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  54. Bob1943   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 4:45 PM

    The Donald’s mother was naturalized before before Little Donald was born…..Mr. Trump is an actual NBC, as required by the Constitution…Obama is not!!

  55. Durus   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 4:37 PM

    Only a legitimately seated President can be impeached. Any attempt to impeach usurper Obama legitimizes him as President.

  56. molonlabe   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 4:37 PM

    There is no such thing as an African Race.
    it would have been recorded as Negro

  57. AuntieMadder   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 4:34 PM

    Oh, please. To say that Trump is protecting the presidency for his ineligible kids is almost as cheap as Obots saying that “birthers” think the birth announcements were part of a conspiracy that was hatched before or at the time of Barky’s birth for him to become POTUS one day.

  58. AuntieMadder   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 4:26 PM

    If his alleged father’s being a British subject worried Barky in the least, he wouldn’t have written about it and then posted it proudly on his campaign web site and the FightTheSmears.com web site, as well as leaving it unrevised in printings of his faux autobiography. His lack of status as a natural born citizen has not been a worry to him because he’s known all along that neither Congress nor the courts will touch it, both wanting for decades now to do away with that Constitutional requirement, some Congressmen even proposing at least once in recent decades to amend the Constitution to allow naturalized citizens to serve as POTUS.

  59. Starla   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 4:26 PM

    “HAWAII ELECTIONS CLERK: OBAMA NOT BORN HERE – OFFICIAL WHO OVERSAW BALLOTS IN 2008 RACE SAYS HOSPITAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE NON-EXISTENT”

    By Joe Kovacs
    © 2011 WorldNetDaily
    Posted: June 10, 2010

    Read More Here: “HAWAII ELECTIONS CLERK: OBAMA NOT BORN HERE” http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=165041#ixzz1KlBukduh

    * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

    “HAWAII GOVERNOR CAN’T FIND OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE – SUGGESTS CONTROVERSY COULD HURT PRESIDENT’S RE-ELECTION CHANCES”

    By Jerome R. Corsi
    © 2011 WorldNetDaily
    January 18, 2011

    Read More Here: “HAWAII GOVERNOR CAN’T FIND OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE” http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=252833#ixzz1KlCG81I5

    * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

    “HAWAII ELECTIONS CLERK: OBAMA ‘CAUGHT FIBBING.’ — BUT WILL PRESIDENT BE ‘FROG-MARCHED FROM OFFICE’ OVER ELIGIBILITY ISSUE?”

    By Joe Kovacs
    © 2011 WorldNetDaily
    April 06, 2011

    Excerpt:

    “The former Hawaii elections official who maintains there’s no long-form birth certificate for Barack Obama in the Aloha State is now saying the president and his aides have been “caught fibbing” about Obama’s background, and the “embarrassing” situation is making it difficult to fess up to the truth.

    Tim Adams, who was senior elections clerk for the city and county of Honolulu during the 2008 campaign, made the statements in a two-hour interview with a group looking to disprove claims made by so-called birthers, those challenging Obama’s legal qualification to be president.

    “I think people believe there’s been some kind of cover-up. And I don’t think it’s some big nefarious conspiracy. I think it’s politics as usual,” Adams said March 31 on Reality Check Radio, an Internet program on BlogTalkRadio.

    “Barack Obama’s official autobiography was put out to the public for the public’s consumption and we all know politicians – they have a public persona, it’s created for consumption by the electorate – and I think that they’ve been caught fibbing, and it’s embarrassing.”

    Read More Here: “HAWAII ELECTIONS CLERK: OBAMA ‘CAUGHT FIBBING’” http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=283865#ixzz1Kl9gpRxq

    * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

  60. BlackSunshine84   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 4:24 PM

    Jan Brewer, the traitor, was trying to make 0bama eligible for the AZ ballot. Her anti-illegals legislation(1308) stated that dual citizens were natural born. Leo Donofrio discovered it, so AZ scrapped that bill. That’s why she vetoed the eligibility bill. I wasn’t even aware she new 0bama prior to their meeting in July 2009, but as it turns out, she was named a member of 0bama’s Council of Governors in Jan. 2009. Funny how the media never mentioned that they knew each other…
    Anyways, OK’s eligibility bill only requires candidates to submit a COLB and the Texas bill only requires they prove they were born in the USA.
    I think because people were on to this is why they have now come up with a BC.

  61. Starla   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 4:20 PM

    “OBAMA BLINKED. NOW GAME BEGINS. AUTHOR SUGGESTS DISPUTED PRESIDENCY WON’T SURVIVE PUBLICATION OF BOOK’S INFORMATION”

    April 27, 2011
    © 2011 WorldNetDaily

    Excerpt:

    “Public pressure finally forced Obama to do what he did today. Now the game begins,” said Corsi. “Nixon thought he could stop the Watergate scandal from unfolding by releasing a few tapes. All that did was fuel the fire.”

    Suggesting that Obama’s presidency will not survive the revelations contained in his book – which goes beyond the birth certificate controversy to definitively document the multiple legal problems with Obama being a U.S. president – Corsi said, simply, “When people read the book, they will see that Obama is not eligible to be president.”

    Moreover, said the author, today’s White House action raises more questions than it answers: “Obama spent a fortune on attorneys to block release of this document. Why? The same attorneys are still blocking release of many other vital documents – his school, medical, passport and other documents routinely released by all presidents, but steadfastly hidden by Obama. Will he now release those as well?”

    Also, he asked, why did Obama withhold the birth document that had been legally requested by an Army doctor, Terrence Lakin, but instead watch him be court-martialed and imprisoned over the issue?

    “I am calling for the immediate release of Lt. Col. Terrance Lakin, the Army flight surgeon who is now sitting in prison because Obama wouldn’t produce his birth certificate,” Corsi said.”

    Read More Here: “OBAMA BLINKED. NOW GAME BEGINS” http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=292213#ixzz1Kl7xVFXU

    * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

    “HAWAII SLAMS DOOR ON BIRTH CERTIFICATES, EXCEPT FOR OBAMA.
    STATE GETS TOUGH ON THOSE SEEKING DOCUMENTATION IN WAKE OF TRUMP QUESTIONS”

    By Bob Unruh
    © 2011 WorldNetDaily
    April 27, 2011

    Read More Here: http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=292241#ixzz1Kl8aq5vx

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    “HAWAII SLAMS DOOR ON BIRTH CERTIFICATES – TWO DAYS BEFORE TRUMP’S QUESTIONS, NO PROBLEM GETTING LONG-FORM DOCUMENT. TODAY, NO WAY”

    By Bob Unruh
    © 2011 WorldNetDaily

    Read More Here: http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=292241

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  62. Starla   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 4:18 PM

    “HAWAII ELECTIONS CLERK: OBAMA NOT BORN HERE – OFFICIAL WHO OVERSAW BALLOTS IN 2008 RACE SAYS HOSPITAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE NON-EXISTENT”

    By Joe Kovacs
    © 2011 WorldNetDaily
    Posted: June 10, 2010

    Read More Here: “HAWAII ELECTIONS CLERK: OBAMA NOT BORN HERE”
    http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=165041#ixzz1KlBukduh

    * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

    “HAWAII GOVERNOR CAN’T FIND OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE – SUGGESTS CONTROVERSY COULD HURT PRESIDENT’S RE-ELECTION CHANCES”

    By Jerome R. Corsi
    © 2011 WorldNetDaily
    January 18, 2011

    Read More Here: “HAWAII GOVERNOR CAN’T FIND OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE” http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=252833#ixzz1KlCG81I5

    * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

    “HAWAII ELECTIONS CLERK: OBAMA ‘CAUGHT FIBBING.’ — BUT WILL PRESIDENT BE ‘FROG-MARCHED FROM OFFICE’ OVER ELIGIBILITY ISSUE?”

    By Joe Kovacs
    © 2011 WorldNetDaily
    April 06, 2011

    Excerpt:

    “The former Hawaii elections official who maintains there’s no long-form birth certificate for Barack Obama in the Aloha State is now saying the president and his aides have been “caught fibbing” about Obama’s background, and the “embarrassing” situation is making it difficult to fess up to the truth.

    Tim Adams, who was senior elections clerk for the city and county of Honolulu during the 2008 campaign, made the statements in a two-hour interview with a group looking to disprove claims made by so-called birthers, those challenging Obama’s legal qualification to be president.

    “I think people believe there’s been some kind of cover-up. And I don’t think it’s some big nefarious conspiracy. I think it’s politics as usual,” Adams said March 31 on Reality Check Radio, an Internet program on BlogTalkRadio.

    “Barack Obama’s official autobiography was put out to the public for the public’s consumption and we all know politicians – they have a public persona, it’s created for consumption by the electorate – and I think that they’ve been caught fibbing, and it’s embarrassing.”

    Read More Here: “HAWAII ELCTIONS CLERK: OBAMA ‘CAUGHT FIBBING'”
    http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=283865#ixzz1Kl9gpRxq

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  63. kittycat77   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 4:18 PM

    Midnight,

    Would any document do that if it was just photocopied? I saw someone saying that somewhere, and I know nothing about it.

  64. kittycat77   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 4:16 PM

    Donald Trumps mother was a citizen when he was born. I think she became a US citizen several years earlier. Your parents (both of them) have to at least be a US citizen before you can be a natural born citizen, that is, if you’re born in the US.

  65. RJ   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 4:15 PM

    From other sources I read earlier, when Trump was just getting started, the question of his mother’s nationality was raised and someone was able to determine Trump’s Mother was naturalized before Trump’s birth. That makes him the child of two U. S. citizens and a ‘natural born citizen.’

  66. Kenneth Cox   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 4:12 PM

    It does not matter what the bc says. His father was a british subject when he was born and never a citizen of te US so that makes bumer a British subject!!! There is an article here on this site that states British Law has stated that obumer is a British citizen. He cannot be POTUS because of this it is in the constitution

  67. BlackSunshine84   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 4:03 PM

    Trump’s mother was naturalized, I believe 4 yrs, before his birth.

  68. AuntieMadder   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 3:57 PM

    The Factcheck.org version of the Certification of Live Birth lists the time of birth at 7:24pm. I imagine the other three electronic versions of the Certification of Live Birth that we’ve seen around the ‘Net list 7:24pm as the time of birth, too, or Pollard and the other forgery debunkers would have pointed out that they differed.

  69. kittycat77   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 3:54 PM

    I think that someone with Adobe Illustrator can separate the layers. I’d like to see them too.

  70. BlackSunshine84   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 3:51 PM

    Have you seen the 0bama BC Lucas Smith claims he got in Kenya? Has anyone ever tried to get a copy of another 1961 BC from Kenya? Just to compare what he has to a Kenya BC?
    Have you watched the guy’s videos? I don’t think he is lying. Why would he? His site is theobamafile if anyone is interested. heck if you locate someone who was born in Kenya in 1961, I can fly pretty cheap through my work. I’ll fly over and get it.

  71. SapphireSunday   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 3:48 PM

    Via computer generation. Cut and pasted from elsewhere. In an Adobe layer. Look closely at the data items. You can see white behind the typing and signatures, where there should be green. In 1961, was an original long-form on that green paper in the first place? I doubt it. The copies of the Nordykes’ long-form BCs do not look like they’re on green security paper.

  72. AuntieMadder   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 3:45 PM

    And what the heck is his legal name today? And why am I the only one asking (present company excluded)?

  73. Kristin   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 3:44 PM

    I’m as outraged as everyone here about this fraud in the White House. The House MIGHT impeach Obummer, but I doubt it. If they did the Senate conducts the ‘trial’. Fat chance that we get any satisfaction there.

    I think there are enough brain-dead people out there that will be satisfied with this so-called BC, so I’m not convinced that we will win in the court of public opinion either. And that’s where we have to win this fight. We need to fight him on the economy. That hits home for every voter.

    Take ‘The Donald’ for instance. His mother was born in Scottland. Does he have the same issues that Obama does? Or does NBC rest totally on the Father’s place of birth?

  74. Redd   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 3:35 PM

    Perkins-Coie/seattle flew to honolulu to get paper. ..
    http://legaltimes.typepad.com/blt/2011/04/perkins-coie-judith-corley-got-obamas-birth-certificate.html

  75. BlackSunshine84   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 3:35 PM

    It’s not a photocopy of his BC or it wouldn’t include boxes for the occupation and workplace of his mother. The Nordyke twins’ BCs, also born in 1961, didn’t have that info on them.
    But if it is computer generated , how did they get the attending physician’s signature?

  76. Dennis Varnau   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 3:33 PM

    The only thing this Certificate of Live Birth helps “prove” is that Obama’s father was not a U.S. Citizen [whatever “African” means; he wasn’t “American”]. Therefore, Obama could never be a “natural born Citizen” (nbC). Before that issue can be settled, some case will have to necessarily include a determination of the legal definition of exactly what is a nbC, as penned by the framers of the Constituton. Eventually the Supreme Court will have to determine what makes one a nbC under the Constitution. That judgment can then be used as the standard to measure one’s eligibility to be a valid candidate.

    Thus, Step One in all of this has to be a final determination of what exactly constitutes a nbC. That can only be derived from information pre-dating or contemporaneous with the actual writing of the Constitution. The best analysis of nbC I have read on this is the one written by Jedi Pauly on this website. To get to Step One, however, some Court is going to have to find standing for someone to raise the issue before the Court. Until that happens, nothing of substance will ever happen. Alan Keyes had the best chance to satisfy the standing issue, having been a candidate for President in the last election.

  77. SapphireSunday   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 3:31 PM

    Midnight: See my previous comment. If this is an Adobe-created image, with layers, which even I can see with my untrained eyes, then doesn’t it still fit within Fuddy’s description of a “computer-generated certified copy”?

    This is no different from all the games that the HDOH has played with their policies and procedures and FOIA and OIP requests, or that the Hawaiian elections officials have played, for that matter, when they ignored or did an end run around their own laws, in order to get him on the ballot.

    Creating a computer-generated certified FACSIMILE of a long-form BC with LIFO “facts” can be included in her definition of what she gave herself the authority to create, by whatever “process” necessary, just for this person.

    I wish we could see these layers. Is there a way you can extract them and show them to everyone?

  78. Starla   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 3:24 PM

    From: http://drkatesview.wordpress.com/2011/04/27/does-it-prove-hes-a-natural-born-american-citizen-nope/#comments

    “drkate

    April 27, 2011 at 11:20 am

    Must see analysis of the latest forgery:

    http://thesussmanshow.wordpress.com/2011/04/27/president-obamas-real-birth-certificate/

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  79. kittycat77   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 3:23 PM

    It’s interesting, but if you compare the local registrar on BO’s document, then the Nordyke twins’ document, they have two different local registrars signed. They were only born a day apart. The Nordyke twins on August 5th. Were there more than one of those local registrars?

  80. Midnight   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 3:20 PM

    I have Adobe Illustrator. I saved the file from the whit hous site from DrudgeReport. It’s a PDF file. I then opened it in Illustrator, showed layers and clicked off several layers.

    The base layer shows some CoLB with signature. On top of that are layers that rubberstamp out the old content. On top of that is a layer of black type that clicks on and off. Anyone can do this to see.

  81. AuntieMadder   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 3:19 PM

    1. About Trump, he’s claiming victory for this but that doesn’t mean he’s taking the document presented at face value. The man is nobody’s fool. He’s already said that the document needs to be “looked at.”

    “First we have to look at the certificate,” he said. “I want to look at it, but I hope it’s true, so we can get to more important national issues.”

    “Why he didn’t do it when the Clintons asked for it. Why he didn’t do it when everyone else was asking about it, I don’t know,” he said.

    “You’re going to have many people looking at it …. It’s amazing that all of a sudden it materializes. Experts will look at it … and I’m very proud that I was able to bring this to a point.”

    Read more: White House releases Obama ‘birth certificate’ http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=292165#ixzz1Kkug5UaL

    Also, he’s already started in on Barky that it’s time to see his college records.

    2. The O’Reilly’s of the world will always have something at hand to throw back at people even if they have to make it up themselves. It was just last week (or the week before?) that O’Reilly made up some BS about Barky having been issued a CT Social Security number because Obama Sr lived in CT for a short time. It was a lie and he knew it was a lie because it was his lie. A day after the program aired, that portion of the program, which had been there the night of the program airing, had been scrubbed from his web site, removing the evidence of the lie he’d told on air. As for natural born citizenship, for the past couple of decades there’s been a push by Congress and the enemedia to amend the Constitution to allow any citizen, even naturalized and anchor babies, to serve as POTUS. As part of that push, the true definition of natural born citizenship has not been spoken or written by members of Congress or the enemedia.

    3. That’s bad news to this Texan. I’ll let my reps know today by email what I think about them dropping the bill. I’ll also let them know that they, the state reps, have made these bills controversial and divisive by looking at them and speaking about them in terms of Barky’s run in 2012, instead of looking at them and speaking about them as preventive measures, a way to make sure that only the names of those who are Constitutionally eligible to serve as POTUS will appear on the state’s ballots.

    4. I’ve got a hunch that there’s something devastating in Corsi’s upcoming book.

  82. SapphireSunday   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 3:16 PM

    What’s important to know: Fuddy of the HDOH says this is a “computer-generated certified copy” produced outside their usual policies, which she gave herself authority to waive, just in Obama’s case, because he’s the president. What’s a computer-generated certified copy? That could include and probably does include a photoshopped image like we see here. This in no way is an actual photocopy of the original long-form birth certificate.

    A Fox News story said,

    “Officials in Hawaii had said state law PROHIBITS THEM FROM RELEASING THE INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THE FULL BIRTH CERTIFICATE FILING – EVEN IF THE PRESIDENT HIMSELF REQUESTED A COPY. But that didn’t stop the president from requesting last week two certified copies of certificate of live birth from Director of Health Loretta J. Fuddy. On Monday, Fuddy complied. ‘As director of health for the state of Hawaii, I have the legal authority TO APPROVE THE PROCESS by which copies of such records are made. Through that authority, in recognition of your status as president of the United States, I am MAKING AN EXCEPTION to the current departmental policy which is TO ISSUE A COMPUTER-GENERATED CERTIFIED COPY,’ she wrote.”

    The exception was to issue a COMPUTER-GENERATED certified copy. So they admit it’s computer generated. That might include all the photoshopping that seems to be in evidence. Another exception might be to not print the late or delayed or amended notification. Another exception might be to make this an abstract containing only the LATEST (most recent) permutation of all the facts contained in the “full birth certificate filing.” Which might mean elimination of the names of the biological parents, if he was adopted, replaced by the adoptive parents. Which might mean elimination of his name at birth, as opposed to what it is now, after being amended in their records. Which might mean elimination of the fact that at birth no father was named, but one was later added, via amendment, but this computer-generated abstract isn’t showing that out of deference to his status as president. You see how it goes?

    Even he can’t get access to the FULL information. So what was embarrassing on the original that is now not evident on this supposed long-form which is NOT a TRUE COPY OF HIS ORIGINAL LONG-FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE? It’s a computer-generated abstract, created just for him outside their usual policies and procedures. Didn’t a legislator want to pass a law so they could do just this? Create a “something” especially for Obama? Well, looks like it’s been done without a special law.

  83. A pen   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 3:14 PM

    Proof? Proof enough that NBC has not been met. President Biden will honor his oath now.

  84. Starla   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 3:05 PM

    From: http://citizenwells.wordpress.com/2011/04/27/white-house-obama-release-long-form-birth-certificate-who-is-lying-abercrombie-adams-obama-college-records-to-be-released-why-obama-spent-taxpayer-dollars-to-hide/#comment-198884

    Posted on April 27, 2011 by citizenwells|

    Comments:

    “mcnorman | April 27, 2011 at 8:39 am |

    Who used “African” for race in the ’60s?”

    [Answer: No state or hospital FACTUALLY, TRUTHFULLY, & LEGALLY could use the word “African,” that signifies a “nationality,” FACTUALLY, TRUTHFULLY, & LEGALLY INTERCHANGEABLY in the USA for a person’s “race” in the 60’s!]

    We The American People Caught The 100% Foreign & Domestic Enemy Terrorist Usurper, 100% Undocumented Illegal Alien Terrorist Usurper, 100% Indonesian Citizen, Soebarkah/Barry Soetoro, alias Barack Obama….. Committing Yet Another DESPICABLE & OUTRAGEOUS “Obama’s” Extremely Dangerous, Daily Serial Crimes Against ALL USA American Citizens…. As The 100% Foreign & Domestic Terrorist Sociopath, & The 100% Serial Criminal Barack Obama Works To Overthrow The USA Government…….

    Not On our Watch, Barry!! You Don’t Fool Any Faithful & True Legal American Citizen Anywhere In The USA!! You Don’t Fool Us, Barry!! We Will Have You Arrested & Removed From Our White House….For Being The 100% Extremely Dangerous, 100% Daily Serial Criminal, 100% Foreign & Domestic Enemy Terrorist Usurper, 100% Undocumented Illegal Immigrant, 100% Undocumented Illegal Alien, That You 100% Truthfully, Factually, & Legally Are…….. Barack Obama…..You Certainly Don’t Fool, God Almighty, The Forever Living Creator & Savior Of Humanity, Lord Jesus Christ Whatsoever…… Lord Jesus Christ Knows & Sees All About You & Everyone & Everything…. Watch….”

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    “yo | April 27, 2011 at 8:43 am |

    As someone else said, there’s no seal.

    African?

    Date “accepted” on this new phony while “date filed” on the old phony.

    The adoption amendment has been scrubbed.

    No doubt the hospital records have been scrubbed, too.

    And if they can get into gov’t databases (Hawaii doh, and state dept passport records by Brennan firm, I suspect they can get into college databases, too.)

    Like Hagmann and Sanky said. The most sophisticated and extensive scrubbing operation they have ever seen.

    Have they gotten into the social security databases, too?”

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    “Pattie | April 27, 2011 at 8:48 am |

    BREAKING: White House releases Obama’s birth certificate

    http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/04/27/white-house-releases-obama-birth-certificate/?hpt=T1&iref=BN1

    THIS IS NOT A BIRTH CERTIFICATE. It is only another computer-generated COLB using the information given by Stanley Ann Dunham It is dated April 25, 2011. Just how stupid do they think we are?

    They did, however, finally decide on a hospital.”

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  85. Robert   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 3:00 PM

    A COLB is not a birth certificate.

  86. CE1   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 2:54 PM

    According to the web site the name didn’t change to Kapiolani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital until Kauikeolani Children’s Hospital merged with Kapi‘olani Maternity Home in 1978. So how could his official long form birth certificate that was generated in 1961 have the name of the hospital that wasn’t created until 1978?”

    [link to http://www.whitehouse.gov

    From WIKI

    The facility was originally founded by Queen Kapiʻolani as the Kapiʻolani Maternity Home in 1890 for which she held bazaars and luaus to raise $8,000 needed to start the Home. Kauikeolani Children’s Hospital opened in 1909 named for Emma Kauikeolani Napoleon Mahelona (1862–1931), the wife of Albert Spencer Wilcox (1844–1919).[1] In 1978, it merged with Kapiʻolani Maternity Home to become Kapiʻolani Medical Center for Women and Children.

    Check it Out your self at WIKI ! Gives 1978 as the Name Change Date !

    [link to en.wikipedia.org]

    Ok Birther Haters !!! Watcha got????? What what what ?!?!?

    Thanks to Charlie’s Angel for this !

  87. Midgie   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 2:52 PM

    Kauikeoliani Childen’s Hospital merged with Kapi’olani Maternity in 1978. Shouldn’t the hospital on Obama’s Certificate of Live Birth released today list Kauikeoliani Children’s Hospital instead of Kapi’olani Maternity?

    http://www.kapiolani.org/women-and-children/about-us/default.aspx
    ——————
    Mrs. Rondeau replies: I noticed the Nordyke twins’ birth certificates say the same thing as Obama’s in regard to the hospital name.

  88. AuntieMadder   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 2:48 PM

    FYI a short while ago (half an hour, maybe?) Sheppie Smith reported on Fox News that this document confirms that Barky is a “natural born citizen.” Yep. That’s what Sheppie said. Surely, however, MSNBC and CNN beat him to it and declared the same thing earlier today. No?

  89. Johnson   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 2:44 PM

    Expose the Radical Communist Muslim Usurper Now !!!!!!!!!! so he can be removed to PRISON for treason & Fraud

  90. AuntieMadder   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 2:43 PM

    In my humble opinion, it’s what Corsi’s soon-to-be-released new book will reveal that’s prompted Barky to produce this document (be it authentic or not). I could be wrong; we’ll know when the book is released. Just the same, because it makes Trump feel so good to declare this victory his own that he’s already asking for the college records as well as saying that the document will be “looked at,” I’m more than happy to go along with him on it and I’ll even throw some atta’ boys at him, too. Atta’ boy, Trump! Stomp that chump!

  91. Bob1943   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 2:41 PM

    College records will show that Barry Soetoro was listed as, and applied for aid as a foreign student. That is why we aren’t going to see them. Also, at the most he only attended Columbia for one year of the two he claims. Where was he the year that he claims to have been at Columbia, but wasn’t?

  92. Trac   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 2:24 PM

    You would really think Chicago thugs could find better people capable of a higher quality of forgery. The real question is what does the White House hope to accomplish with this?

    As I see it:
    1. Shut Donald Trump up! Unfortunately he already appears to be satisfied and rather proud of himself. I wish Trump had said a week ago something like -“I expect Obama to put out a long form birth certificate any day now BUT I also expect it will be a fake.” Too late for that. And now if and when he realizes it’s a obvious composite of several birth certificates he’ll be painted as someone who only wants to cause trouble while Obama is once again portrayed as “Mr. Reasonable” who only wants to talk about the “REAL” issues.

    2. Give the Bill O’Reilly’s of the world something to throw back at people because they always maintained the only problem was the birth certificate and as of yet have not grasped the natural born citizen concept because of Obama’s father.
    —————–
    3. Stop the so-called “birther” bills in the various states. And that’s a problem folks- that one has me worried, because here in Texas people are already talking about the Texas bill in the past tense.
    NOT GOOD!
    ————————
    4. There’s a possibility there’s something in the upcoming Corsi book. I’m sure by now the White House has a rough draft, we on the other hand will have to wait and see.

    P.S. I love the comment about “this should have been released on April 1st”. I agree.

  93. Starla   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 2:23 PM

    “OBAMA GASLIGHTS THE AMERICAN PEOPLE”

    By Pamela Geller

    Excerpt:

    “Why is Obama gaslighting the American people? Why is he toying with, gaming
    the American people? I broke the story of the altered COLB back in June and July of 2008 — the COLB he posted to his farcically-titled blog, “Fight the Smears,” was an altered document. He subsequently admitted to dual citzenship for close to half his life. The question was a real one, and the American people have a right to know who and what is serving them at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

    We owe Trump a debt of gratitude.

    Will Obama now explain how he came to Khalid al-Mansour?

    Percy Sutton, NYC political icon in the African American community and lawyer for Malcom X, told a NY 1 news reporter that Dr. Khalid al Mansour solicited a favor and a recommendation on behalf of Barack Hussein Obama in order to secure Barack’s entry into Harvard. Sutton was approached by Mansour on Obama’s behalf, to secure (procure?) Barack’s admission into Harvard from the second college, Occcidental.

    How did Obama come to Mansour and Saudi Prince Waleed back in 70s/80s?

    Khalid al Mansour is a vile antisemite, extremist Muslim and high level adviser to Saudi Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal. How did Obama come to Khalid at such a tender young age? He grew up in Indonesia and Hawaii and then went on to a drug fueled couple of years at Occidental College, where he performed poorly. How did he come to have rabid hatemonger Khalid al-Mansour sponsor him?

    And why is the press so protective and apoplectic over this issue? The press took Bush’s documents under a microscope, and when they didn’t find anything, the “Gold Standard” of Journalism’s Dan Rather used forged documents to attack President Bush’s military service in a malevolent attempt derail Bush’s presidential election campaign. The malice by the media was undeniable. CBS’s Rather and Mapes knew that Bush had, in fact, volunteered to go to Vietnam.

    The stark-raving madness of the media is made plain in the Obama document scandal and the CBS Bush document crime.

    Where are Obama’s ………..

    Occidental College records

    Columbia College records

    Columbia Thesis paper

    Harvard College records

    Selective Service Registration

    Medical records

    Illinois State Senate records

    Illinois State Senate schedule

    Law practice client list

    Harvard Law Review articles that were published

    University of Chicago scholarly articles

    Record of baptism

    I hope that Trump can get to the bottom of this void in Obama’s mysterious past.”

    Read More Here:

    http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2011/04/gaslighting-the-american-people.html

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  94. Starla   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 2:22 PM

    “OBAMA GASLIGHTS THE AMERICAN PEOPLE”

    By Pamela Geller

    Excerpt:

    “Why is Obama gaslighting the American people? Why is he toying with, gaming the American people? I broke the story of the altered COLB back in June and July of 2008 — the COLB he posted to his farcically-titled blog, “Fight the Smears,” was an altered document. He subsequently admitted to dual citzenship for close to half his life. The question was a real one, and the American people have a right to know who and what is serving them at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

    We owe Trump a debt of gratitude.

    Will Obama now explain how he came to Khalid al-Mansour?

    Percy Sutton, NYC political icon in the African American community and lawyer for Malcom X, told a NY 1 news reporter that Dr. Khalid al Mansour solicited a favor and a recommendation on behalf of Barack Hussein Obama in order to secure Barack’s entry into Harvard. Sutton was approached by Mansour on Obama’s behalf, to secure (procure?) Barack’s admission into Harvard from the second college, Occcidental.

    How did Obama come to Mansour and Saudi Prince Waleed back in 70s/80s?

    Khalid al Mansour is a vile antisemite, extremist Muslim and high level adviser to Saudi Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal. How did Obama come to Khalid at such a tender young age? He grew up in Indonesia and Hawaii and then went on to a drug fueled couple of years at Occidental College, where he performed poorly. How did he come to have rabid hatemonger Khalid al-Mansour sponsor him?

    And why is the press so protective and apoplectic over this issue? The press took Bush’s documents under a microscope, and when they didn’t find anything, the “Gold Standard” of Journalism’s Dan Rather used forged documents to attack President Bush’s military service in a malevolent attempt derail Bush’s presidential election campaign. The malice by the media was undeniable. CBS’s Rather and Mapes knew that Bush had, in fact, volunteered to go to Vietnam.

    The stark-raving madness of the media is made plain in the Obama document scandal and the CBS Bush document crime.

    Where are Obama’s ………..

    Occidental College records

    Columbia College records

    Columbia Thesis paper

    Harvard College records

    Selective Service Registration

    Medical records

    Illinois State Senate records

    Illinois State Senate schedule

    Law practice client list

    Harvard Law Review articles that were published

    University of Chicago scholarly articles

    Record of baptism

    I hope that Trump can get to the bottom of this void in Obama’s mysterious past.”

    Read More Here:

    http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2011/04/gaslighting-the-american-people.html

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  95. Starla   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 2:17 PM

    “DOES IT PROVE HE’S A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN? NOPE.”

    Excerpt:

    “But we won’t be fooled. No need to prove this document is a forgery because all the other evidence, including its late release, undermine its credibility. And Mr. Obama’s own behavior speaks volumes.

    The path is now clear to fully focus on his lack of American citizenship, his lack of natural born citizenship due to his father’s foreign status and his adoption; his social security fraud; his selective service forgery; his lack of naturalization papers; the lack of evidence of a name change; and all the other evidence of criminality that accompanies the imposter in the White House.

    By the time we Patriots are done with Obama, his forged certifications of live birth will look like toilet paper compared to Obama’s criminality.

    The flushing of Obama begins now. Fasten your seatbelts, obots. It will be an unpleasant journey for you down into the sewer where you and your messiah came from.”

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    Read More Here: “DOES IT PROVE HE’S A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN? NOPE.”
    http://drkatesview.wordpress.com/2011/04/27/does-it-prove-hes-a-natural-born-american-citizen-nope/#more-6060

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    “ULTIMATELY, OBAMA CAN’T PROVE HE IS AN AMERICAN CITIZEN!!!!”
    Read More Here: http://drkatesview.wordpress.com/2010/12/28/obama-cant-prove-hes-american/

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  96. cNT   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 2:13 PM

    Wow, thanks. I have been visiting that site for some time. Weird.

  97. Ed '74   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 2:12 PM

    The hospital name is correct for the time. See the Nordyke twins bc, have the same hospital listed.
    There is a Dr’s name on the forgery, er..copy.
    Footprints are usually on the hospital issued certificate, not the ‘official’ long form. And since we pretty well know he wasn’t born in that hospital, he likely doesn’t have a certificate from it.

  98. stand up and fight   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 2:09 PM

    You will not find one birth certificate of anyone in this country other than Obamas that states African as a race.Notice his mothers race does not state American.This piece of toilet paper is a fake.Flush it.

  99. BigScottinVa   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 2:07 PM

    I was born in Hawaii in Jan 1961 #61-00812.
    Oddly, my COLB has little pencil tick marks on several fields so I would consider that legit.
    ———————
    Mrs. Rondeau replies: Would you be willing to send it to me at editor@thepostemail.com? Your identity will be kept confidential.

  100. yo   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 2:03 PM

    what we know is that there is NO SUCH THING as an original bc in hawaii because they change things in the hawaii doh after the fact. the name change of the hospital proves that. and the race classification.

    What we need to get more info on is the amendments that took place on this bc for the adoption and then the subsequent removal of those amendments, maybe by another amendment. But the last line on the form is supposed to reveal amendments have been made and it does not indicate there were any. But we know there was.

  101. Ed '74   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 2:03 PM

    I wonder is the “U K le Lee” in the signature of Registrar is supposed to be an ‘inside joke’?
    Ukulele? perhaps?

  102. cNT   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 2:03 PM

    The divorce filing for Stanley Ann and Lolo Soetoro states there is one child under eighteen and one child over eighteen who is dependent because of education.

  103. speedy   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 1:57 PM

    Someone at free republic put the document through photoshop and found layers and different type where the number is. The one at the end does not match the one in the beginning. They showed a close up of it. Still what he put out is definitely a forgery.

  104. live oak   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 1:57 PM

    I doubt the Nordyke twins are in on it. My mistake. I should not have posted the link. It’s still a forgery.

  105. Ed '74   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 1:54 PM

    I can’t figure out all the pencil marks, makes no sense. But a few things got overlooked by the forger, for example, the S in Stanley and S in Sinclair are identical. the la in ‘Sinclair’ and le in Stanley are very similar. As someone else pointed out, the same person pencilled in the dates. The letters in the signature ‘Ann D’ were made with one pen and ‘unham Obama’ was made with a different one. (I suspect this is just an error with Photoshop) some expert can indentify this mistake.

    I’m embarrassed that a Harvard Law Grad can’t get a better forger on his payroll.

  106. Jack   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 1:47 PM

    Trump is claiming victory, and rightly so, for being the only one who could force the new forged long form bc’s long over due release, osamba is definitely dancing to Trumps tune. Now it will move to the to the forensics verification stage and we will see what we will see. Meanwhile, Trump has already moved on to the issue of the school and other records records. Trump is brilliant, and is controlling the debate with confidence and style, it’s a beautiful thing to watch. “vote Trump and dump the chump!”

  107. dotdotcom   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 1:45 PM

    Why does the supposed stamp at the bottom say “ABSTRACT OF TXE RECORD”??? Typo on a stamp? Seriously?

  108. F. Franciscus   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 1:42 PM

    We the American citizens are Sovereigns. In our People’s Court we are Sovereigns. In their judicial courts to supreme court the Sovereigns We the citizens lack standing. We the Sovereigns believe the judicial courts serve us. The Sovereigns are subjects on federal courts.

    The release document is establishing a fact. A clandestine maneuver to fool. Leave the proffer Trojan Horse. Stick with our Constitution Law.

    Case closed? Not too fast.

  109. Starla   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 1:39 PM

    Here is an Excellent Article that is Very Well Said:

    “WHITE HOUSE POSTS PDF OF CERTIFICATE OF LIVE BIRTH”

    By: itooktheredpill

    http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/rss_viewer/birth-certificate-long-form.pdf

    “(And since this isn’t likely to live on whitehouse.gov forever, I also saved a copy of the PDF here.)

    Obama should have no problem, then, asking the State of Hawaii to send an officially certified copy of the long-form Certificate directly to Congress under seal, just as was done for this certificate and this certificate.

    Make it official. Have Hawaii send an officially certified copy of it, under seal, directly to the Congress. Congress, not the media after all, has the Constitutional duty to ensure that the President and Vice President have qualified:

    … if the President elect shall have failed to qualify, then the Vice President elect shall act as President until a President shall have qualified; and the Congress may by law provide for the case wherein neither a President elect nor a Vice President elect shall have qualified, declaring who shall then act as President, or the manner in which one who is to act shall be selected, and such person shall act accordingly until a President or Vice President shall have qualified.

    – From Section 3 of the 20th Amendment

    If Obama balks at having the State of Hawaii send an official copy directly to Congress under seal, then that should set off flashing red sirens that the “document” just produced for the media is actually fraudulent.

    If Obama does have the State of Hawaii send an official copy directly to Congress under seal, then we can put issue #1 behind us (Trust, but Verify), and move on to issue #2 (“Natural” born citizen).”

    ——————————————————————————–

    Some Excellent Comments to the above Excellent Article:

    “White House Posts PDF of Certificate of Live Birth”

    “itooktheredpill Says:

    April 27, 2011 at 10:47 am

    Hey, “Smart Guy”, I have said all along that the Birth Certificate is only 1 of 2 distinct issues.

    The Birth Certificate issue will be over once Obama has the State of Hawaii send an officially certified copy under seal directly to members of Congress, just as was done for the other two certificates I linked above. I’ll be happy if Obama does so, so that we can put issue 1 behind us and move on to issue 2.

    But if he balks at doing so, there is good reason to believe the PDF posted at whitehouse.gov is not authentic.

    “Trust, but Verify.”

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    “itooktheredpill Says:

    April 27, 2011 at 10:53 am

    The sooner we can get a certified, sealed copy of the Certificate of Live Birth into the hands of members of Congress, the better.

    I would love to put issue 1 behind us and focus in on issue 2… that is:

    When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.

    By both British Law and Natural Law, Obama was born a British subject, and is therefore not a natural born citizen of the United States, even if he was born a U.S. citizen under the 14th Amendment (which is, in itself, open to debate because the 14th Amendment states, in part, “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside”, and Obama admits that he was born subject to the jurisdiction of The British Nationality Act of 1948.)”

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  110. Sanislaw   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 1:35 PM

    “live oak says:

    I hope and pray Trump gets a forensics specialist because it’s clearly a fraudulent document, Besides, Kap’iolani Hospital didn’t even use that name until 1978!!! ”

    How, then, do we account for the fact that the Nordyke twins 1961 BCs say “Kapiolani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital,” the same as the document released by Obama today.

    Is it possible the Nordyke twins are somehow in on it?

  111. BlackSunshine84   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 1:32 PM

    What’s all the pencil marks all over it? My BC doesn’t have all that. It just looks like someone was trying to make it look authentic and went overboard, don’t ya think?

  112. DrCary   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 1:30 PM

    The operative phrase at the bottom is that it is a “COPY OR ABSTRACT” (abstract meaning lifted summary information; not necessarily complete information or a reproduction of the entire document.) Mother’s typed name, the legal name, is Dunham.
    Also key is whether Obama had a subsequent birth certificate reflecting the adoption of his Muslim Indonesian stepfather (and then Indonesian citizen mother who moved there and married) which would make Obama an Indonesian citizen. The US didn’t allow dual citizenship. Maybe he lost US citizenship and never took steps to regain it and even if he did, would not be naturalized citizen thereafter.

  113. BlackSunshine84   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 1:29 PM

    Can someone ask Miki Booth if she has a copy of her long form BC? Someone on another site said something about her BC from the 60s not having all caps in her name.

  114. ConcernedOne   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 1:21 PM

    But, it looks like the Nordyke twins have the same hospital listed so I guess that debunks that issue…..

    I don’t know if it’s real or fake, but I really wish Trump would have talked about the NBC clause all along….now he’s asking for the college records – but what good will that do?

  115. Harry H   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 1:20 PM

    Surrender is what Brett suggests, to which I would reply with the beleagured general who said “Nuts” to a similar surrender proposal long ago. Neither the birth certificate issue nor the larger “natural born” issue is dead; both need to be definitively investigated by Congress and the courts. Also, a number of states may still require documentation of nbC status to get on a presidential ballot. Obama eligibility is far from being a settled issue.

    As to dividing America into two states, I would suggest three as a more equitable and efficient number, with Hawaii being excluded altogether. If anyone wants Hawaii, let it become part of the Western States of America, where its leftist/socialist soul will enable it to feel politically right at home. Heartland America/Constitutional Republic of America would be the only place worth living in. The United Socialist States of New England would richly deserve to rot in the hot place they have created for themselves. Yes, three states will work better than two if the formerly “united” states part company.

  116. jtx   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 1:08 PM

    Certainly eligibility and not the BC is the real issue – and Barky ain’t got what it takes as this latest forgery shows (call it the WHBC). The Flying Monkeys were put in the position of having toe make this latest forgery contain what the original forgery (the COLB) contained else it was an open admission of felonious criminal document fraud.

    This one doesn’t pass the smell test either as can be seen by several things (and Dr. Ron J. Polland hasn’t even weighed it) for example, using the PC term “African” as race on both is wrong as shown here:
    ======================

    — definition from:
    1961 Vital Statistics of the United States;
    U. S. Dept. of Health Education, and Welfare;
    Public Health Service;
    National Center for Health Statistics;
    National Vital Statistics Division;

    Race and color

    Births in the United States in 1961 are classified for
    vital statistics into white, Negro, American Indian, Chinese,
    Japanese, Aleut, Eskimo, Hawaiian and Part-Hawaiian
    (combined), and “other nonwhite.”

    The category “white” includes, in addition to persons
    reported as “white,” those reported as Mexican or Puerto
    Rican. With one exception, a reported mixture of Negro with
    any other race is included in the Negro group; other mixed
    parentage is classified according to the race of the nonwhite
    parent and mixtures of nonwhite races to the race of the
    father. The exception refers to a mixture of Hawaiian and
    any other race, which is classified as Part-Hawaiian.
    In most tables a less detailed classification of “white” and
    “nonwhite” is used.

    =====================================

    Also when you look an enlarged copy the same ghosting aroung letters entered is visible all over the document (guess they don’t learn from their earlier failures) and the curved left edge that disappears presumable into the back of the “bound document” shows that the pattern on the security paper continues without being curved also.

    Where also is the “handwritten information” that Fukino claimed just recently was in the “bound document”??? Would she lie??? HA!

    Original COLB – cost qute a bit; WHBC – even more costly and will eventually cost Bark his job; analysis of WHBC by Dr. Ron J. Polland – priceless!!

  117. live oak   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 12:48 PM

    I hope and pray Trump gets a forensics specialist because it’s clearly a fraudulent document, Besides, Kapi’olani Hospital didn’t even use that name until 1978!!!

    http://www.kapiolani.org/women-and-children/about-us/default.aspx

  118. Brett   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 12:48 PM

    Ok everyone, time to drop the long form birth certificate issue.
    Stick with the real issue. Barack Obama Senior was a British subject and his son, Barack Obama Junior, was a “natural-born” subject of England (later Kenya after its independence) by British law and the Law of Nations.

    No one denies that the son of the King of England is a “natural-born” prince of England regardless of where the son is born. Even if the son of the King of England was accidentally born on U.S. soil in a U.S. Hospital, the son is still a prince and “natural-born” subject of England. This is because your political ties/citizenship are Naturally derived from your Sovereignty or Blood inheritance (not the soil where you were born).

    In the Constitutional Republic of the United States of America, “We the People” are the Sovereigns. Therefore, “natural born” sovereignty passes from U.S. Citizen parents [plural] to their children. Both Parents are required to pass “natural born” citizenship in order for there to be no doubt about “divided loyalties”.

    Barack Obama Junior was born a “natural-born” subject of England and therefore, he cannot also be a “natural born” citizen of the Constitutional Republic of the United States of America.

    However, apparently NO U.S. Court will do their sworn duty to uphold the U.S. Constitution and accept jurisdiction on this Constitutional issue. Therefore, unless their are protests or riots to force this issue. This Constitutional issue is dead.
    The May 2th hearing in the liberal 9th Circuit Court of Appeals will deny Keyes justice on this issue, and then the U.S. Supreme Court will refuse to hear the appeal. Obama wins.

    Time to move on and focus on stopping the Federal Government from bankrupting the USA. Time for plan B. Get involved in your State Government. Plan for a TWO State solution. Just like the Democrats want Two States for Israel and the Palestinians, we need to demand Two States in America. A Democratic Socialists of America and a Constitutional Republic of America.

  119. AuntieMadder   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 12:47 PM

    “She found the original birth record, properly numbered, half typed and half handwritten, and signed by the doctor who delivered Obama, located in the files.”
    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42519951/ns/politics-more_politics

    Maybe the part cut off at the bottom is the hand-written portion that Fukino mentioned.

  120. Truth Now   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 12:40 PM

    someone on last article on http://www.citizenwells.wordpress.com said the hospital name that Obama has listed did not come into existance until 1978.2 hospitals joined together and use the current name that is on the so called certificate of live birth.This needs to be investigated and spread around asap This is not a long form B.C. either.Where is the footprint and DR.S NAME ????? What a HOAX!!!!!!!!

    another informative site http://www.commieblaster.com keep one busy reading all the info

  121. Jan   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 12:34 PM

    Hi Sharon,
    I just tried to look at the last link in your article to the possible forgery of this document and got a “403 Forbidden” message.
    Can you check this out?
    Thanks!

  122. Rose   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 12:26 PM

    And where’s the portion that the former director stated was “written”? She said what she saw was part typed and part written. This “abstract” just shows basic info that would have normally been typed. Why was there a part written?

  123. Carmar - AZ   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 12:24 PM

    What was meant for evil (in this case, to deceive) against us, God intended for our good. Gen. 50:20 Let’s see how this plays out.

  124. AuntieMadder   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 12:23 PM

    I noticed the paper right away, ArmyVet, the green lattice background. I haven’t checked it against any of Barky’s four online COLBs, but, if my recall is correct, the background appears to be the same. Giving him the benefit of doubt even though he doesn’t deserve it, maybe that’s what the original 1961 documents were printed on and this is a photocopy of the original. However, Miki Booth didn’t get a color photocopy. But, hey, maybe whoever was working at HI DOH that day thinks Barky rates a fancy-shmancy color photocopy. Or maybe it was an extra effort, kind gesture from the HI DOH, their way to make up for his birthplace not being a Hawaii historical site with a state marker and all, as can be found at the birth places of most of the 43 POTUS preceding him (Founding Fathers’ place of birth excluded, of course). But, then, why the heck is the left side curled? Couldn’t his gal get it to him without causing dog-ears to the paper? And why is the bottom part of it cut off, missing?

    Plus, there’s “African” in the race field.

    Whatever. I can play along and say good for them to finally release this document. It’s about time the pre-2008 Associated Press, Grandma Obama, a slew of Kenyan Prime Ministers, and others were proven liars about that Kenyan birth thing. Speaking of time, why the three year wait? And why the $2 million in legal fees at taxpayers’ expense to avoid presenting the document to a judge in a court room numerous times over the span of a little more than two years only to voluntarily release an electronic version online three years after the initial requests to see it?

    Also, we need to address the natural born citizenship requirement and his lacking NBC status. Also, there’s that pesky adoption and name change to Barry Soetoro when he was a child. We’ll get to the Indonesian citizenship it thrust upon him and it’s bearing on his citizenship today in a moment. First, we should determine what his legal name is today. When, where and how did Barry Soetoro become Barack Obama? And where does the name “Soebarkah” fit into it? Was “Soebarkah” a legal name or just a nickname (or pet name)? What is his legal name today? Is that name on the Social Security card? Or does it still bear the name of the person to whom the number was originally issued? And why a CT number? (Grandma Dunham, unable to defend herself now, will get the blame for the CT Social Security number… if it’s ever addressed by Barky or his people, that is. Grandma helped him fill out the forms and then she mailed them off for him. Mark my words.)

    This is just the start. We also need to address colleges, transcripts, funding and scholarships, passports, law license(s)

  125. Lizard   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 12:21 PM

    On the certification by Onaka, it says that:

    “I CERTIFY THIS IS A TRUE COPY OR ABSTRACT OF THE RECORD ON FILE IN THE HAWAII STATE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH”

    Question: Has anybody ever seen this language before on any document? Or, is the “or abstract” language something new to help shield the BC amendments?

  126. cNT   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 12:17 PM

    What is listed on the Nordyke twins certs?

  127. Ed K   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 12:14 PM

    On Nov. 29, 1943 she had her 1st birthday. 10 years later on Nov 29, 1953 she had her 11th birthday. 7 years later on Nov 29, 1960 she had her 18th birthday. 1 year later on Nov 29th 1961 she had her 19th birthday. Therefore on Aug 4th 1961 she was 18.

  128. cNT   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 12:11 PM

    Get a screen shot. It will be changed within hours.

  129. cNT   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 12:09 PM

    Answer to your question is in Adobe Illustrator. See the results here if do not have. You many have to copy and paste to URL since the site is jammed. http://bryankeithnixon.com

  130. cNT   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 12:07 PM

    OK, how did the “fraud” with the “fake” Kenyan bc know the exact time??????????

  131. Crazy old coot   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 12:03 PM

    You are correct.
    ////
    Check out the name of the hospital where he was born. Kapi‘olani Medical Center for Women & Children. That name was not used until 1978.
    ////////////////////////

    http://www.kapiolani.org/women-and-children/about-us/default.aspx

    In 1908, Albert and Emma Kauikeolani Wilcox donated $50,000 to start a children’s hospital. The community, concerned that two of every seven infants in Hawai‘i did not live to see their first birthday, rallied to match the Wilcox’s gift. A year later, Kauikeolani Children’s Hospital opened.

    The two hospitals joined in 1978 to become Kapi‘olani Medical Center for Women & Children. Staying true to its mission, the non-profit hospital has played a vital role in the health of Hawaii’s women, children and adolescents. It is staffed with highly skilled, compassionate physicians and nurses, dedicated to providing the finest care for Hawaii’s families:

  132. Stock   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 11:59 AM

    There is a rumor going around that Kapiolani was known by another name up until 1978-has anyone done any research or have knowledge?

  133. kittycat77   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 11:56 AM

    This is being picked apart pretty good at the smoking gun dot-com. It appears to be a forgery. You also bring up an excellent point about the microfisch. It should look like the Nordyke twins’ birth certificate.

    If you download the image from Drudge, then magnify it and look at the letters, the type. It’s white underneath the letters and should look like the rest of the paper, but it doesn’t.

  134. ELmo   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 11:56 AM

    What happened to the “Half Handwritten – half typed” document that everybody has been describing??
    ELmo

  135. Harry H   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 11:52 AM

    Ironic, my eye. Congress must investigate how the Kenyan and Hawaiian documents could have the same exact birth-time, down to the very minute. The probability of that is so small that it demands investigation.

  136. ELmo   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 11:44 AM

    “Date Accepted” by registrar instead of “Date Filed” (as in the COLB) if one is supposed to be “Derived” From the other (with the same info), one is a fake – which one??
    ELmo

  137. Patrick Duffy   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 11:39 AM

    David A Sinclair is dead, so they used his signature on this fake. The only way to really get to the bottom of this would be to soepena the Hawaii records in a COURT OF LAW after somebody files a lawsuit which is not dismissed outright. An internet document is not truth. Where is the microfisch? That’s the real document we need, not some faked, or photoshopped forgery.

  138. AuntieMadder   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 11:38 AM

    In her April 11, 2011 interview with NBC’s Michael Isikoff, Dr Fukino said that the short-form COLB, like any one of Barky’s four online versions, is “what everybody gets when they ask for a birth certificate.”

    In the same MSNBC online article, Joshua Wisch, a spokesman for the Hawaii attorney general’s office, said that “state law does not in fact permit the release of ‘vital records,’ including an original ‘record of live birth’ — even to the individual whose birth it records.”

    “It’s a Department of Health record and it can’t be released to anybody,” he said. Nor do state laws have any provision that authorizes such records to be photocopied, Wisch said. If Obama wanted to personally visit the state health department, he would be permitted to inspect his birth record, Wisch said.

    But if he or anybody else wanted a copy of their birth records, they would be told to fill out the appropriate state form and receive back the same computer generated “certification of live birth” form that everybody else gets — which is exactly what Obama did four years ago.

    In light of this, I don’t think Wisch or even Fukino knew the White House would release this document. If they had known about it just a few weeks ago, they wouldn’t have said the things they said only to be made liars a few weeks later by the very man they were trying to protect when they said them!

    Until the last few days, I don’t think the White House knew they’d be releasing this document, either. If they’d known, they would have synchronized their stories and coordinated efforts with Fukino and Wisch, among others. No, I suspect the release of this document, whether authentic or not, was prompted by Jerome Corsi’s soon to be released book. Let’s not forget what Unfit for Command: Swift Boat Veterans Speak Out Against John Kerry, co-authored by Corsi, did to Kerry’s chances of living in the White House. I’m sure Barky’s advisers haven’t forgotten.

    Somehow, perhaps by leak or maybe even by performing their own investigations into where and to whom Corsi’s investigation of Barky took him, Barky’s people have found out at least some of what Corsi reveals in his book and, without a thought or a care about how it might affect the reputations of Fukino and Wisch, released this document as a preemptive shot, pro-active control of the damage that Corsi’s discoveries will soon cause in Barky’s Kenyan Camelot.

    So, I wonder how it feels for Fukino and Wisch, getting tossed under Barky’s bus. It must be very crowded under there, what with all the other fools and tools who thought he was their bud and wouldn’t do it them, too. Poor Fukino, she must be as jumpy as a long-tailed cat in a room full of rocking chairs right now, hoping the document released by the White House is never examined by a forensics expert, wishing she’d never incriminated herself in a forgery she knew nothing about, and regretting drawing attention to herself for her involvement in the prior forgeries she hopes are never examined and prosecuted, by saying in that April 11, 2011 interview, “No matter what state officials release on the issue, the ‘birthers’ are going to question it, said Fukino. “They’re going to question the ink on which it was written or say it was fabricated,” said Fukino. “The whole thing is silly.” Like the rest of Barky’s under-the-bussers, she and Wisch must be wondering right about now what they thought they were doing it for, the useful idiots.

  139. Jack   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 11:37 AM

    My comment will be very short, in fact one word, FORENSICS !

    This is interesting, from a commenter on another site;

    Obama birthdate August 4 Certificate No 61-10641
    Nordyke birthdate August 5 Certificate No 61-10637

    Obama’s certificate: Accepted by local registrar Aug 8
    Nordyke’s certificate: Accepted by local registrar Aug 11

    Q#1: If Certificate ## in HI are assigned by birthdate, why does Obama have a higher (sequential) Certificate number?

    Q#2 On the other hand, if Certificate ## in HI are assigned by the date of “acceptance by local registrar”, shouldn’t Obama’s Certificate Number (approved Aug 8, 1961) be LOWER than Nordyke’s (accepted Aug 11, 1961)

  140. Rose   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 11:34 AM

    What needs to be emphasized more publicly is the no need for fraudulent use of SSN if this bc is authentic. Get out the info on the fraudulent SSN(s)….Also send Drudge the Indonesian Fransiskus school entry form with different name (adoption implied) and stated Indonesian citizenship – and this of course “trumps” the former alleged birth/some-type-of-U.S.-citizenship due to its later date.

    And what about this “other” form?: http://theobamafile.com/_people/LucasSmith.htm

  141. Lizard   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 11:32 AM

    Question for thought: Does this now open the door for anyone to request a certified copy from the DOH in Hawaii?

    If you look at the statement from the White House , it says that:

    “… the President directed his counsel to review the legal authority for seeking access to the long form certificate and to request on that basis that the Hawaii State Department of Health make an exception to release a copy of his long form birth certificate. They granted that exception in part because of the tremendous volume of requests they had been getting.”

    Thus, what possible privacy interest can be claimed now? It seems like everybody should be able to request a copy directly now.

  142. thinkwell   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 11:27 AM

    The document posted here is a pathetically obvious forgery:
    http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/rss_viewer/birth-certificate-long-form.pdf

    This appears to be an official government website so that by approving the release of this clearly digitally forged PDF Obama has inescapably painted himself into a prison cell corner.

    One can see that most of the print was layered on top of the scanned document by panning or zooming the view in or out slightly while viewing the document at a high zoom level. The bottom layer (background, most of the witness signatures and some of the form text that is still original) clearly pops up and is displayed as a complete layer in its entirety before any of the forged upper layer(s?) begin to display. Check this out for yourself by viewing the document linked above (and be sure to save a copy before it gets fixed). Also, note that all the original document text, original signatures and other document features exhibit multiple levels of intensity and hue when viewed under high zoom. All of the forged upper layer text appears as an even, single dark intensity level. This clean digital characteristic of the upper layer is completely unnatural, even to my untrained eye.

    Why would Obama release such an obvious forgery? The evidence is so undeniably incriminating. Why is he not worried about going to prison. Is he laughing our faces? Is he that arrogant?

  143. Brigitte de Maubec   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 11:25 AM

    Where is the line which is supposed to have been amended? We know that this document has been amended at some point. Hawaii told us so officially in a FOIA. So where is it?

    This does not pass the smell test.

    Why is it all typed when all the other BC of that time where handwritten or typed whith those typewritters typing all over the place and smudging????

    Didn’t Corsi book went number one on Amazon the day they order this long form?

    This to me is where the sudden urgency to release came from. Preemptive moove to the book.

  144. Tim   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 11:25 AM

    It would be interesting to see how Tim Adams explains the appearance of this BC.

  145. Rob Hawking   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 11:23 AM

    Another thing that is really weird.

    Check the Kenyan birth certificate found by Lucas Smith.

    http://theobamafile.com/_people/LucasSmith.htm

    Pay attention to the time of birth, and now check the time of birth of the BC released today.

    How ironic, huh?

  146. Harry H   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 11:19 AM

    The Kenyan birth certificate obtained by Lucas Smith has greater face validity than the Hawaiian document. For example, the Kenyan bc says baby O, who is identified by footprint, weighed 7 pounds 1 ounce, was 18 inches long, and measured 6 inches wide between shoulders. Since when do American birth certs not include such specific data?

  147. Harry H   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 11:11 AM

    Excellent questions, Ed ’74, which should be addressed without delay by an appropriate congressional committee. Congress should also investigate why Obama let Col. Lakin go to prison rather than provide a birth cert earlier.

  148. Lloyd in California   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 11:06 AM

    It would have been more appropriate to release this on April 1st.

  149. Karen   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 11:04 AM

    Not until November 29th of 1961. She was still 17 on August 4 1961.

  150. A pen   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 10:59 AM

    Obama produced it as proof so now there is evidence to support trial of fraud for all states accepting Obama as qualified under the constitution. The extensive work that has been done on behalf of Charles Kerchner by Mario Appuzo now is also ready for the Supreme Court since this document is all that was missing to fill in the fact that Obama’s father was never a citizen and therefore could not have given his son sole allegiance to this nation. The constitutional protection against the very acts Obama has done, the policies he creates and the vision of the socialism of his fathers creed are now validated. By law Joe Biden is president without further complaint from the guilty party, Obama or interference from any other sworn to uphold and defend the constitution. If they allow him to continue it is treason plain and simple.

  151. Bob Porrazzo   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 10:58 AM

    Phil Berg will be on the Alex Jones show today.

    http://www.infowars.com/

  152. Mairi   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 10:52 AM

    That is a problem. If that information is true, then the Nordyke twin Birth Certificates would also have to be forgeries, because they say “Kapiolani” .

  153. iluvamerica   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 10:50 AM

    DC House and Senate do not want the Birth Certificate story to grow legs. Whoops!
    Looks like Trump has got the “birth certificate” that no court could bring about. I look for DC Republicans to switch subject from the “Birth Story” to the Administration ‘Project Gunrunner’ quickly. Rep. Issa is ready. Looks like Issa has got the “goods”!.

    OPERATION FAST AND FURIOUS
    Chairman Issa Subpoenas ATF for ‘Project Gunrunner’ Documents. ATF agents acting on “orders from Washington” encouraged gun dealers to complete these transactions against the dealers’ better judgment. Worse yet, the guns — thousands of them — then were allowed to be smuggled, or “walked,” into Mexico and into the hands of drug cartels. And worst of all, these guns now are turning up at crime scenes — including where a U.S. federal agent was murdered.
    http://issa.house.gov/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=742:chuck-norris-weighs-in-on-atfs-operation-fast-and-furious&catid=10:district-blog
    http://issa.house.gov/index.phpoption=com_content&task=view&id=726&Itemid=28&Itemid=4

  154. jacqlynsmith   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 10:49 AM

    Morning everyone……what a joke…..now they think this will calm folks down…..what I want to know is where is the embarrassing information that the FRAUD said was the reason he didn’t release it before and most importantly….IF and that is a BIG IF cause I don’t believe this is real……now we have the proof that he is ineligible if indeed his daddy is Barack Sr……I highly doubt this is real and it could be analyzed to see if that signature by the register and the doctor are real…..even if the doc is dead they must have his signature on record somewhere and it could be analyzed like the old one!

    Abraham Lincoln: You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time.

  155. Birdy   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 10:48 AM

    I noticed the white halo areas around all of the text on the form as well. I just assumed that this was introduced by the photocopier to make the copy of the original document or by the scanner used to create the digital image for the Web. It would be informative to understand the process by which this document was created. I don’t understand the curved paper overlayed on a patterned background look. What is this document really? The other long form BC’s from Hawaii that I’ve seen (1981 and 1978) look like copies of real certificates not copies of pages from a book inserted onto an image of a patterned frame. This is truly a bizarre looking document.

  156. yo   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 10:46 AM

    very good find, concerned one

  157. alain   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 10:43 AM

    Trump won’t use the 2 citizen parents tack because of the non-citizenship of 3 of his children. I sent him pages and pages of evidence about Vattel and was told in non-uncertain terms from his flunky Cohen to stop with the two parents data.

    I personally have always believed Obama was born in Hawaii and our real issue is parental citizenship.

  158. Ed '74   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 10:43 AM

    Very poor quality forgery. Enlarge it and see the white blocks around most of the data. Now every document I’ve seen that was typed on security paper, the security background doesn’t disappear. In fact, that’s the very reason the security background is there so you can see if it’s been altered. Enlarge ‘Barack’ and you’ll see it’s printed on a solid white background an then laid onto the security paper.
    Just to satisfy the non believers, take a check, write a name on it the see if that made the security background disappear. If it did, the bank won’t cash it.

    I could easily point out dozens of problems, but look at the K in Kansas. where did the top of it go? The K in Kenya is fine. Look at the R in BARACK on line 1a, what happened to it? Then look at the R in the same word on line 8. Change typewriters?

    Look at the bottom solid black line, why did it not print on the security marks but removed them. all white background.

    I hope they didn’t actually pay for this forgery, if so they got ripped off.

    Remember in Obama’s book where he said he found his original birth certificate and saw his birth weight? Where is that exactly?

  159. Ed K   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 10:42 AM

    She was 18 years old in Aug 1961 if her birthday is Nov. 29, 1942.

  160. Birdy   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 10:40 AM

    Wendell Goler, on Fox News (April 27, 2011 8:00 am PDT) said “the White House surprised us this morning by announcing the President had asked the state of Hawaii nearly a week ago to release the long form of his birth certificate. The document arrived last night and reporters were shown it this morning with the embossed seal of the state of Hawaii. Copies were passed out as well.”

    I don’t know about you, but I don’t see an embossed seal showing up in the digital images posted on the Web by the media.

    Can they explain why it has a date for “Date Accepted by Reg. General” but the short form does not say “Date Accepted by State Registrar?”

    Where did they get this BC? Was it from the “bound volume” as stated by Chiyome Fukino to Michael Isikoff? It’s very different from others that we have seen. In the Alan Booth 1981 BC, items 5a-5f contain information about the Certifier, David A. Sinclair, MD, and the Attendant. On Obama’s BC, David A. Sinclair, MD is listed as the Attendant in box 19a. Hawaii needs to explain where this BC came from and why it is radically different from other long-form BCs. Also, why did they tell us, as recently as April 11, that Hawaii law prevents them from giving the long-form out, even to the subject of the document, and two week later they give out this document. Why did they lie?

    Now that Obama’s long form BC is open and public, Hawaii can no longer use the privacy aspect of this vital record to keep it from the public. Any one who requests a certified copy of Obama’s original long form Certificate of Live birth should be able to get one. According to Wendell Goler “the President had asked the state of Hawaii nearly a week ago to release the long form of his birth certificate.” Since Obama has asked Hawaii to release it, and they have complied, we should all be able to request and receive our own certified copy.

  161. Bob1943   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 10:36 AM

    OK, here is the reason they had not previously released this document. The COLB that was placed on the net in 2008 did not give the place of birth of the father, and they did not want that information released at that time because it prevents Obama from being a Constitutionally required natural born Citizen. The long-form list Obama’s father’s place of birth as Kenya, East Africa. They did not want to raise the issue of natural born Citizenship any more than it was already raised prior to the election by those who understood the Constitution, so they issued a document without mention of Barry’s father’s place of birth. They did not want the average person to know Obama’s father was not an American citizen by advertising that fact on the Internet with a copy of the long-form BC

    After 2.5 years of the media and Congress never mentioning NBC and/or or trying to make it the same thing as just, “citizen”, and Obama having successfully placed two protectors of his ineligibility on the SCOTUS, they now felt confident enough that natural born citizenship required by the Constitution had been beat into submission and will not be a problem. From this point on, bring on the anchor babies or whoever, the founders requirement of natural born citizenship has been scrapped for Barry, and he is living proof of why the founders put the requirement into the Constitution.

    Unfortunately, the founders had no idea how dumbed down the citizens would be by 2011, or how corrupt and manipulative the media and Congress would be.

    Obama is no more eligible if he was born in Hawaii than if he wasn’t, but very few are going to care IMO.

  162. ConcernedOne   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 10:32 AM

    Just read something from the Fox News site by a poster which is VERY interesting regarding this possible FAKE BC:

    “Hate to bring this up, but I just checked the official web site for Kapiolani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital and according to the information there, the name of the hospital at the time of his birth should have been Kauikeolani Children’s Hospital. According to the web site the name didn’t change to Kapiolani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital until Kauikeolani Children’s Hospital merged with Kapi‘olani Maternity Home in 1978. So how could his official long form birth certificate that was generated in 1961 have the name of the hospital that wasn’t created until 1978?”

    Now THAT could blow this whole document to bits!

  163. Harry H   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 10:29 AM

    OK, we now have two birth certificates for our C-in-C, one from a foreign country, so Congress has a clear responsibility and urgent need to investigate these conflicting documents and the larger issue of Obama’s foreign father. Both the Kenyan and Hawaiian certificates list a foreigner as father, which makes it impossible for Obama to be nbC.

  164. Troy   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 10:28 AM

    Of course it’s another fake and it looks like it was done by a third grader….Dr. Ron Polland is going to have a field day with this piece of garbage BC…..Just look at all of the “white blocks” around the personal info that was added in….This thing is a pitiful joke!

    BTW, you will not hear Donald Trump mention one single word about natural born citizenship…..He played his part, he played it well and now Barry has displayed his fake credentials…..Good job, Donald! – traitor!

  165. johnny says   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 10:25 AM

    sharon —— this document is a forgery and a fake. the forensics experts need to be called on immediately to examine this and i will bet it will be declared a forgery and fake but i had predicted this was forth coming.
    ———————
    Mrs. Rondeau replies: I have already contacted someone.

  166. Robert Laity   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 10:23 AM

    Let’s hope Trump is as “Smart” as he claims and that he is not acting with ulterior motive to facilitate Obama’s fraud.

  167. RO   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 10:22 AM

    Well, one thing for sure, he publicly has shown who his father is and can never deny it. Obama senior-never a US Citizen so he just proved he is holding office illegally. This is why we had to see the bc to see who his father was!

  168. Robert Laity   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 10:21 AM

    I have sent an Email to Kapiolani asking that they confirm it. They previously DENIED it.

  169. Robert Laity   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 10:20 AM

    Trump says that he is a “smart man”. Let’s hope he isn’t facilitating Obama’s fraud. Let’s see if Trump settles for this recent disclosure or demonstrates his intelligence by pursuing the (2) parent rule. I have sent an Email to Kapiolani asking if they agree that Obama,Jr. was born there,given the fact that they previously DENIED it.

  170. speedy   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 10:12 AM

    Just by a first glance I can tell it is another forged fake photoshopped job. The information is the same as what they had on the COLB. The number is out of sequence from the Nordyke twins. African not a race. The background matches the COLB. It is brighter green than the one Miki Booth showed. There is something behind it, like it was folded over. It looks phoney to me. He should be arrested for putting forth fraudulent documents to try to stop the people from asking. Who is stupid enough to believe that fraud that that is a real bc? Someone needs to do a forensic check on it. Then he said it was in his book. Wouldn’t it be folded? Fake upon fake all his documents he makes public. I don’t think he would actually show his real genuine bc because he wants people to think he was born in HI.

  171. Eve   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 10:11 AM

    he’s trapped himself. he’s already admitted that he was a British citizen at birth. this confirms it. if he tries to forge naturalization paperwork for his father he’s trapped himself even further because he’s already admitted he was governed by the British Nationality Act of 1948. If his father had been naturalized then he would have forsworn all allegiance to Britain and Kenya and then Obama would have not needed to be governed by that act. He admits he was, he can’t go back now and take back an admission of guilt.

  172. Robert Laity   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 9:59 AM

    There have been a plethora of lies told over the last two years by Obama and his cabal. The fact remains,Obama,Sr. was a foreigner,not naturalized at the time of Obama’s birth.
    He was not an American. Obama,Jr. was born a Brit. Years ago there was a story in the Buffalo News that said thatRod West delivered Obama.That was a lie. Hospitals in Hawaii,including Kapiolani have DENIED Obama’s birth there. Obama led America on and continues to proffer highly questionable evidence that he is qualified to be POTUS. BC notwithstanding,”African” is not a Race. Africa is not a Country,it is a Continent of many countries. The proper Race category for Obama,Sr. would have been “Negroid”..Perhaps someone can explain why Dunham was listed properly by Race as “Caucasian” and not by her Nationality,as Obama,Sr. was listed. Does Obam think that People are SO Gullible? I am NOT. Obama is a fraud. I am holding my ground on this stance.
    http://www.earthfrisk.com/blog/?p=135

  173. ArmyVet   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 9:56 AM

    Has anyone noticed that the so-called Birth Certificate is on the wrong type of paper? Even if it was transposed from microfiche to some form of official paper used by Hawaii, they would have had to have reversed the negative appearance of a Birth Certificate from the 1960’s (white lettering with black background) and then colorized it to match the bond paper so as not to leave an obviously notable ink border.

    And, how did Obama manage to have a birth certificate from a time frame that looks nothing like those previously posted by people who actually had a real Birth Certificate from Hawaii? Seems like another forgery job to me, which was predicted would appear by many people over 2 years ago at about this time. Guess that Canadian printing press failed to work so they generated a computerized Photoshop forgery again.

    Oh, and did I fail to mention that I am a Technology Professional having worked with or on computer systems both in the Military and Civilian world for over 29 years? I may have some expertise in this area, but just a few years, unlike Al Gore who claims to have invented the Internet; I got the biggest laugh out of that one. What is worse, many of his followers believed him just like the Obots believe Barry Soetoro.

    Notice any trends with these so-called Democrats?

    – Lie about inventing Internet
    – Lie about Global Warming (name changed to Climate Change to protect the guilty)
    – Lie about Presidential Eligibility (or at least Obama’s handlers did)
    – Lie about Unemployment Rates not going above a certain number
    – Lie about the first posted Certificate of Live Birth being his actual Birth Certificate

    I could go on and on! Why is that had any normal citizen performed similar acts of lies, deceit, libel, slander and forgery (or hired someone to lie or forge for us), we would have been convicted of a crime, thrown into prison and had enormous legal debts. Al and Obama get off with a free ride from our legal system, get taxpayers to fund their lies, and still some people believe and trust them? Unbelievable!

    As we used to say in the Military Intelligence Community, Tell the people what they want to hear, whether it is the truth or a lie, and they will believe it. Barry is an expert at implementing and enacting this philosophy, or at least his Puppet Masters are with controlling him.

  174. Person   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 9:54 AM

    The divorce link posted ny cNT is fraudulent. It’s a scam to make you think you have viruses and installs some junk on your computer. I clicked it but luckily I did not fall for the scam. BEWARE

  175. Avia   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 9:45 AM

    This document isn’t a certified copy. If it were, it would have the legal notice of certified copy stamped on it, signed and dated.

  176. Karen   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 9:44 AM

    She was under 18 years old.

    Stanley Ann Dunham (November 29, 1942 – November 7, 1995

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ann_Dunham

  177. cNT   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 9:39 AM

    Was “white” used then or “Caucasian
    “?

  178. Carmar - AZ   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 9:34 AM

    Doesn’t Trump have all the correct info on natural born = US soil and two parents? Maybe we need to simplify it and sent it to him again. If Donald could pressure O to produce this fake BC, then maybe this is a way to make the 2 citizen parent issue come to the surface. Has the Kapliani(sp?) Hospital capitulated to this story? Has this BC satisfied Trump enough to drop the issue?

  179. Ken Layton   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 9:34 AM

    Mother’s age: 18. Too young for her to pass citizenship to child. Still says “African” for father’s race. There is no raised seal! This looks like another Photoshop job. Why could not Abercrombie find it? All he could find was some half typed and half handwritten notation. Where are the notations of adoption?

  180. kittycat77   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 9:33 AM

    I just looked at the twins’ birth certificate and it’s the same hospital as 0Bambi. I think they were born on August 5th.

    However, the problem is that they would never use “African” as a race, period. Someone had researched into the things that they would use, and they only had specific things. For 0Bambi’s dad they would have used Negro back in the ’60s.

  181. cNT   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 9:25 AM

    Here is link to divorce filings that say the couple have one child under eighteen and one over eighteen.

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/9193269/Soetoro-Divorce

    None of the birth Certs in my possession for my family are typed in a variety of fonts as this newly released “authentic” form. What a joke. This has been “released” to keep the Obots loyal when the real stuff comes out. They have been prepped for two years that when a bc would be issued the Birthers would just say it was a fraud anyways.

  182. Thomas Morato   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 9:24 AM

    Let me guess…

    The folks that signed as “Attendant” and “Local Register” in 1961 are both dead?

  183. Karen   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 9:24 AM

    Wasn’t his mother 17 (almost 18)? Where is the date of birth for mother and father?

    This does not look real to me.

    He sure got out of this announcement fast. Took off.

    This just opened the door for MORE questions.

  184. CA Patriot   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 9:23 AM

    And of course you know this is all about barry. Slipping in the polls? Just whip up more cloudy controversy. Need a shot in the arm in the press relations? Throw them another tidbit. Oh and that court hearing coming up on Monday May 2? This should shut them up.

    Oh the games barry plays. I am truly sickened by the willingness of the press and the American people to accept anything this clown says or does.

  185. ConcernedOne   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 9:20 AM

    Well, Trump dropped the ball…….and all the rest of the media. He’s not a NBC and African isn’t a race.

    What is odd is why does it look as if it’s part of a longer sheet of paper (you can see the curling on the left side) and then it looks like it’s been printed on top of that special green certificate paper or scanned on another sheet of the green paper? And, yes, there’s no seal.

  186. CA Patriot   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 9:19 AM

    I just picked this up from a AP story about barry and his fraud paper:

    “The form says Barack Hussein Obama II was born at 7:24 p.m. on Aug. 4, 1961, at Kapiolani Maternity and Gynecological Hospital, within the city limits of Honolulu.

    There’s no mention of religion. It says his father Barack Hussein Obama, age 25, was African and born in Kenya and his mother was Caucasian and born in Wichita, Kan. Obama’s mother and the doctor signed the certificate on Aug. 7 and 8.

    Hawaii’s registrar certified the new photocopy of the document provided to the White House on April 25, 2011.

    The White House also released a letter from the president on April 22 requesting two certified copies of his original certificate of live birth, as well as a letter from Loretta Fuddy, Hawaii’s director of health, approving the request.

    The president’s personal counsel, Judith Corley, traveled to Hawaii to pick up the documents and carried them back to Washington on a plane. The documents arrived at the White House around 5pm Tuesday. ”

    WHAT??????????????? Someone other than barry picked up the documents? I thought no one could access their long-form BC. Since when is anyone allowed to release this info to other than person who the information is about. Religion has nothing to do with anything in this matter.

    AP better wake up. They are playing right into barry’s hands on this one. Researchers at AP need to do their homework. Look up NATURAL BORN CITIZEN.

  187. Barbi Dee   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 9:18 AM

    A serial felon with 39 SS#s IS NOT ELIGIBLE for The WH!

  188. Donna   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 9:17 AM

    I still don’t buy it! “African ” is not a race-wasn’t in 1961 and its not now! He’s had 2 years to show his BC- I bet it was hard to find a working typewriter! my Mothers words at the time his birth was announced—” Even if he was born in Hawaii,Hawaii still isn’t a state,its a territory” My Mom was never wrong!!!

  189. CA Patriot   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 9:10 AM

    Someone has to compare this version to one from the Nordyke Twins who were born the same day in allegedly the same hospital as barry. I no longer have a copy saved of their original BC from files, but the first thing that strikes me is that their copy is a ‘negative’, one that is an inverted image, black background with white letters. barry’s appears to be an original on color paper which immediately raises flags. The original may look like this, but a color copy stamped on April 25??

    This has all the makings of a first class FRAUD! Now is the time to verify everything about it. It is not an original but bears information which forensics experts can use to determine the validity. No one can take barry at his word on this. Too much time has elapsed.

    The other more obvious point is that if we take barry at his word and accept this document as valid (are you listening lame-stream press?), barry does NOT qualify to be POTUS because he is NOT a natural-born citizen by virtue of his father being a foreigner.

    The plot thickens…………………………….

  190. Katie   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 9:02 AM

    “The certificate says Obama was born in Hawaii, which makes him eligible to hold the office of president.”

    HOW CAN A DUAL CITIZEN BE ELIGIBLE TO BE COMMANDER IN CHIEF OF THE US MILITARY????

    “AFRICAN” IS NOT A RACE. IT’S A CONTINENT!

    FAKE. FRAUD. FORGERY. USURPER!!!!!

    ALL OF THE ABOVE.

  191. Randy   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 8:58 AM

    So what happens when people ask the next question, “where is proof his father was an American at the time of Barry’s birth?”

  192. William Flowers   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 8:57 AM

    How did Obama get it, whan Abercombie couldn’t find it?

  193. Obama Researcher   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 8:56 AM

    Amazing what a few hundred billion dollars can buy !

    But now lets get to this 2 part drama.

    Obama’s Desperation

    Part 1 Born on the soil
    Part 2 to 2 Citizens of USA.

    NO DIVIDED ALLEGIANCE.

    How about the adoption papers and college records etc.

    NO WAY DO I BELIEVE THE MARXIST LIAR.

  194. William Flowers   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 8:54 AM

    The left side looks like a scanned image.
    What other BC looks like it was copied on a copier?

  195. Missyc   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 8:52 AM

    P.S.

    And, NO, I don’t believe this is the REAL BC…
    They’ve had MONTHS of trial & error to figure out the information that SHOULD BE on this certificate AND probably have gotten a “typewriter” to complete the form, THIS TIME.

    Plus, Obama has FINALLY hired a person who is willing to carry out his LIE with this BC and hase planted them in Hawaii to follow through with it… so, they’ve gotten what they believe to be as ANOTHER fake document that might pass as real.

    BUT…the ” AFRICIAN” as Race is STILL QUESTIONABLE!
    Can’t get away or around that one…..plus the MANY other issues.

  196. cNT   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 8:52 AM

    He was adopted by Soetoro and it is against HI law, I thought, to release the real/original cert. because it is rewritten and issued with the adopted parents’ names. There is documentation that he was adopted in the divorce filings between Stanley Ann and Lolo Soetoro. The filings indicate there is THEIR adult dependent son, Barack, a student. So, this may be the original but not the “authentic” and legal one. Barack would have had to claim US citizenship when of age to override his Indonesian citizenship, not?

  197. Stock   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 8:50 AM

    If it shows his father is Kenyan, he is still not eligible-whats the dif?

  198. Missyc   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 8:45 AM

    D. Trump makes ME nervous.

    I appreciate him bringing the BC issue to the forefront – as it NEEDS TO BE…
    but, IF there’s no real findings from his investigations – it’s going to be bad!

    I worry that Trump is going to be a big disappointment, all the way around.
    Right now – he IS serving a good cause.

  199. RacerJim   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 8:44 AM

    If it is authentic then Obama cannot be eligible because the person named thereon as his father was never a U.S. citizen. PERIOD!

  200. yo   Wednesday, April 27, 2011 at 8:39 AM

    No seal.
    It says “date accepted”. It was “date filed” on the certification.
    African?

    The amendment and adoption have been whitewashed from this record.

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