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by Sharon Rondeau

Sulawesit, or Celebes, is the fourth largest of the Indonesian islands. It was settled by the Portuguese, Dutch and English.

(Aug. 5, 2010) – The Post & Email has made contact with a highly credible individual who was born and raised in Indonesia. Here he explains the significance of the term “Soebarkah,” which first appeared to the American public on July 29, 2010 on passport application forms released by the Bureau of Customs and Border Control to Mr. Christopher Strunk, who had filed a lawsuit in November 2008 after his FOIA request was denied.

SHARON: Thank you for making time to speak with The Post & Email on very short notice.  My first question is what I think everyone wants to know:   what does the word “Soebarkah” mean?

SAM: The word “Soebarkah” as it was presented in the article that you wrote in brackets under the name “Barack Hussein Obama” signifies to me a different name for Barack, so it’s his other name. Now that is an Indonesian name, and the majority of Indonesians have only one name. When I first saw it, knowing or having read about some people’s contentions that he was adopted by his Indonesian stepfather, I thought it might be his given name when he was adopted:  Soebarkah.

SHARON: Do they usually change the name when there’s an adoption by an Indonesian man?

SAM: Sometimes they do; sometimes they don’t. But I believe most of the time they probably do. So based on what I have heard or read that he might have been adopted, I think that must be the name given to him at the time of adoption. Now that is just one name, because Indonesian Muslims don’t usually have a surname; they only go by one name.  However, these days, there is a trend among the younger generation to give their children more than one name. So they might have two names, but both of them are “given” names; they’re not family names.

In the olden days, many years ago, royalty would use what is considered to be a family name. In the Indonesian form, there is no place for a family name because usually people don’t have family names. But it occurred to me that during the time right after his adoption, things were still going fine between his mom and Soetoro – you never know – she might have had to fill out a form for the rest of the country with the name and surname of the son, so she might have used the name “Soebarkah Soetoro” to indicate first name (given name), and “Soetoro” being Lolo Soetoro’s name, which in this case might have been used as a surname.

This happened to a friend of mine who now lives in the United States. She and her husband are Indonesians, and the husband, as usual, only has one name. His name is Utri. But when filling out forms here, since he doesn’t have a middle name, he uses the same name as his last name, and the wife has only one name. Her first name is Haneg, and she uses her husband’s name as her last name or family name. They’re filling in forms to come to the United States and in it, there’s a space on the form for last name. So it all depends, and it gets confusing. In her case, she used her husband’s first name as a last name, which is pretty common.

SHARON: So on that form that we’ve all seen where it says “Barack Hussein Obama” then “(Soebarkah),” you believe “Soebarkah” is a given name.

SAM: The only reason he would be given a name which would go on an official form is if the name was given to him officially. And then the only reason, in my mind, for him to be given an official Indonesian name would have been during his adoption.

SHARON: Could it represent what Americans call a “nickname”?

SAM: No. “Lolo” might be a nickname. So his name might be “Soetoro,” because most Indonesians do have nicknames. So “Lolo” might have come from what he called himself when he was very young. Often that name would stick into adulthood. Almost everybody in Indonesia has nicknames which are used at different times. Again, it depends; nicknames can be used until they’re adults, and some people would use it only amongst their friends and family. Others would use a nickname in the workplace. I have a nickname, but it’s only for my relatives and very, very close friends, and I have a given name, and I have a name that’s on my birth certificate. Now the given name is more known among my friends because it is the name I used when I went to school and I was growing up and as an adult when I worked in Indonesia.

My family lives in a village where we have very deep roots; we’ve been there for hundreds of years, and most of my relatives are still there.  When I go back to the village, they only know me by my nickname.  So if someone went there and asked, “Did you know Sam?” they would say, “Sam Who?”  But they would then say, “The son of such-and-such…” and then they would say, “Oh, yes, of course, he’s my cousin!”  That’s how it is there.

SHARON: Does everyone have only one name then?

SAM: Only Muslims have just one name.  Christians always have given name, baptism name, and surname.  The Chinese do as well; they always have three names, and the surname is the first word.  For example, with  “Sun-e-Wah,” the first word, “Sun,” is the surname.  The Balinese people usually have more than one name.

SHARON: What does an Indonesian birth certificate look like?  If a person is Muslim and has only one name, is that what goes on it?

SAM: The majority of Indonesians don’t have family names, although recently they have been using more than one name if they have to go overseas.  On the forms they would put a name such as a husband’s name or a father’s name in the blank for family name.

SHARON: Does that create problems when someone is applying to get into the United States, either temporarily or permanently?  What would a person have to do to begin using a second name legally?

SAM: I can tell you what happened to some people.  They were given a visa to come here, a work permit, based on the name given.  But there’s another Indonesian whom I know pretty well, and there were subsequent forms because they were able to get a green card, and they put their name down on the form as “unknown.”

SHARON: Does the State Department accept that, knowing that there’s an Indonesian tradition of just one name?

SAM: Yes.  So it would say “SNU,” which means that one of the names is unknown.  Now if you change citizenship, if you become a citizen, you can use any name you want.  You don’t have to use the name that you used before.  You can have a completely new name; they don’t seem to care.

SHARON: So if someone comes over on a visa and then applies to become an American citizen and go through naturalization, he or she can choose any name at all?

SAM: Yes, that’s what I’ve heard.  Remember when many people came through Ellis Island?  When they came through, their names were too hard to pronounce, so they changed them, right then and there.  And it’s the same now.  In my own experience, I have three given names, but they were too long.  There was one that I always used when I was in Indonesia.  We didn’t have enough space on the forms, so my husband said, “Well, pick two out of the three.”  So I picked the two which I don’t like, but it was the best-sounding combination and it fit in the space.

SHARON: How many languages do you speak?

SAM: I speak Indonesian and English, although I can read and understand the Dutch language as well.  However, I don’t read it well enough so that I can translate quickly; it would take me forever to translate a page.

SHARON: Were the Dutch involved in settling Indonesia?

SAM: Yes, Indonesia used to be a colony. The tribe that I’m from is all Christians, so we all adopted Dutch Christian names.  So in English it would be pronounced “Maria,” and in Indonesia it would be pronounced the Dutch way, which is “Ma-ree-ah.”  My sister’s name is Maria Christiana.

SHARON: I assumed you were a Christian when you said you had three names, because if you were Muslim, you would have had only one.

SAM: The people in the northern part of Sulawesi where I came from are Christians.

SHARON: Do the religious groups separate themselves in Indonesia?

SAM: No.  When it was a Dutch colony, people in Java and Sumatra and the people who are on the coastal islands of Indonesia experienced the traders coming to Indonesia from India, Pakistan and the Middle East, and they were the ones from Saudi Arabia who brought the Muslim religion to Indonesia.  That’s why it first caught hold on the coastal areas, because of the kings and everything.  So the population that was inland in Java and Sumatra also became Muslim.

In those days, travel was done only by boats and ships, so the port areas were the first ones visited and the traders brought their religion with them, which was Islam.  From the ports and coastal areas it spread inland. You see, traders have always visited Indonesia, even before the Dutch colonization.  They either visited Indonesia for its spices, which in those days could be found only in Indonesia, especially nutmeg, which at that time was worth more than gold.

Java has always been the most populous island in Indonesia, hence there weren’t as many virgin tropical jungles as on the other main islands, which made travel easier than on the other islands, like Sumatra, or Borneo (Kalimantan),which was much harder to traverse due to the density of the tropical jungles.

The Aceh area, the most northern part of the island of Sumatra, (this is the area struck by the tsunami a few years ago), is and has been the most fanatical Muslim population of Indonesia.  It is known as the “porch” of Indonesia where Islam is concerned, because that was where Islam first touched in Indonesia and got its foothold. In fact, Aceh is the first province in Indonesia that declared Shariah law as the law of the land.

The people in the part that I came from were animists for a long, long time.  There are still animist people in Indonesia, some of the tribes in the central part of Kalimantan, which is called the “dark people.”  Many of them are Christians, but there are still some who are animists and they really still live as if they’re in the Stone Age.  They’re called the aborigines, actually:  indigenous people in Irian Jaya Barat or West Papua.  So that’s why when the Dutch came, they had an agreement with the local rulers that there would be no proselytizing amongst our people, and even though they sent their ministers, their evangelists, as is often the case and is still happening today, the person who is considered friendly with the Christians is ostracized or harassed.  So it’s not for the health of the Muslim who is considered by the others as friendly or that he or she might convert to Christianity.  They were very successful in converting the other tribes that were animists in those days to Christianity, and that is why the northern part of Sulawesi where I came from, where my tribe is from, are all Christians.  (The English name for Sulawesi is Celebes.)  The Christians had very little success in Java which has pockets of Javanese, so Java has two tribes. The ones in the western part of the island are called Sundanese, and those in central and east Java are called Javanese.  There are pockets on the island of Java where they have a very strong Catholic population, especially central Java.

You might recall that a few years ago there was terrible civil strife in the central part of Sulawesi in a place called Poso.  There was a horrendous conflict between the Christians and the Muslims in this particular area.  Like so many villages, that particular area used to be Christian, but with more Muslims coming in, when they reached almost 50%, they wanted power.  It began as something locally but because the Muslims had sympathizers from other parts of Indonesia, the Christians were the ones who lost out and were victimized the most.  In fact, you may recall there were three schoolgirls who were heinously murdered on their way to school from this area.  That was in the central part of Sulawesi.

SHARON: I do recall that.  Is the strife still ongoing?

SAM: Not the way it was before; it has calmed down.

SHARON: We’ve discussed the passport application with Obama’s name.   Do you think there is any significance in any of the other pages, specifically the one which stated, and she affirmed:

I have been informed that my passport is not valid and that a valid passport is required by law to enter the United States.  I request that an exception be granted to me, as provided in Section 53.2(h), Title 22 of the Code of Federal Regulations.  I understand that a fee of $25 is required under Section 53.2(h) and I will remit such fee to the Passport Office, Department of State, Washington, D.C., 20524, within 30 days.

I know it’s hard to guess about what might have happened at that time, but do you have any thoughts?

SAM: The laws have changed recently, but what we had always understood at that time is that, especially with a woman (because in the Muslim world, men have more rights than women; they’re above women), if you married, if a spouse is of a different nationality or citizenship, and if the Indonesian spouse returns to Indonesia to live, then the alien spouse had to change citizenship in order to be able to live there.  I haven’t been able to find the laws from those days because the Indonesian government isn’t as digitized as the U.S. government is; so one would have to be a lawyer to be able to look back and to have law books from 30 or 40 years ago.  But that was the general understanding in those days.  And a person could not have dual nationality.  In fact, when I became an American citizen, I had to let go of my Indonesian citizenship.  I could only have one.  I understand now that they will accept both, and also now, as a spouse, there are two or three different kinds of visas that would allow an alien spouse to live in Indonesia, or the Indonesian spouse could sponsor the alien spouse to live with him or her. So there are several ways for getting the spouse to live in Indonesia without having to go out of the country every two months or so.

SHARON: So is it conceivable that Stanley Ann Dunham Soetoro did not have to change her citizenship to Indonesian?

SAM: I would have to say something in the affirmative because, as I said, I’m not an attorney and I haven’t seen the laws from those days.  It was just everybody’s understanding in those days, in the 1960s.

SHARON: It appears from the passport applications and other released information that both adults were traveling in and out of the U.S. and Indonesia quite frequently.  It seems very unusual, especially for that time period.

SAM: There were a few people who did that, not just Americans and Europeans.  They were the ones who were involved with or worked for foreign entities, of course, or one of those world organizations.  So while it was unusual in the sense that not many Americans did that, it’s not unusual for people who worked for those NGOs (non-governmental organizations), for instance.

SHARON: To your knowledge of that time, if a child was adopted by an Indonesian man, would the child have had to become a citizen of Indonesia?

SAM: Yes, definitely.  And again, the school registration does say that he was a Muslim.

SHARON: Could you translate every word on that document?

SAM: Sure, I’ll do it now.

Obama school registration form obtained by the AP in 2007 from one of Obama’s Indonesian schools. If he was legally adopted and became an Indonesian citizen, how does that impact his eligibility to be president?

SHARON: Is there anything on the form about an adoption?

SAM: No, it’s a straightforward thing about name, father’s name, religion, things like that.  In Indonesia, any form that you fill in, it asks for your religion, unlike here, where it’s against the law.

SHARON: Yes, a person’s religion is considered private here with few exceptions.  Did you see anything unusual on the form?

SAM: Number 1 asks “Name of student” and it is filled in with “Barry Soetoro,” and then, “Place and date of birth,” and it says “Honolulu, 1961.”  No. 3 asks “Nationality” and “a” is “citizenship,” and it says “Indonesia,” and then “b” says “of Asian descent,” and it’s blank there.  Then “c” asks “tribe” or “ethnicity,” which is also blank.

No. 4 asks for religion, which says “Islam.”  Then “address of student,” then “Transferred from which school?” and “grade,” and it says “Kindergarten”…I can’t read the name, so apparently this must have been for when he was in first grade, because it says “Transferee from a kindergarten.”  Then No. 7 says “Accepted at this school on the date,” which is “1/1/1968,” I believe, which means he would have been six and a half years old.

Then in “7b,” it states the class in which he was placed, and it says “1.”  In No. 8, it asks name of parents, and the one above that line says “L. Soetoro, M.A.”  I imagine “M.A.” is his title, meaning “Master of Arts,” because very often in Indonesia, they put their titles next to their names.  If somebody has a doctorate, for instance, then they would say “Dr.” next to their name.  I could be wrong, but I believe “M.A.” was a title.  Chances are that was his degree.

Then “d” asks his job, and it says he was an employee of the Geology Department of the Directorate of Mining.  Then, underneath that, in brackets, typed in, it says, “Name of mother here only if father is deceased.”  Afterward, it says “c, Address” and it says “Ment.” – I guess he was from Menteng Dalam, his house address – and then afterward, there is nothing else there.  No. 9 asks about one who has custody, a guardian, if the person doesn’t have a father.

SHARON: Why do you think at the top of the school registration form it says “Barry Soetoro” but on the passport application it says “Soebarkah”?

SAM: I have no idea.  There are so many inconsistencies in so many things, as you pointed out in your article, and two different application forms for her passport and two different dates for her wedding date.  I don’t know if the mother was just sloppy; it seems to me that she was.

SHARON: Could it be that in the beginning they called him “Barry Soetoro” and then they came up with the new name “Soebarkah” after the adoption was complete?

SAM: Well, this is just my opinion, but knowing how things are over there, his nickname might have been “Barry,” so that’s the name that everybody is comfortable with.  So that’s why he was still called “Barry” instead of “Soebarkah,” which is a different name and kind-of heavy for a child.  It would be good to have his adoption papers because if that was true and correct, then the name “Soebarkah” would show up on the adoption papers.  To me, the only way he would be given an Indonesian name is when he was officially adopted.

SHARON: In the documents released to Mr. Allen through his FOIA request, on at least one of them, Lolo Soetoro stated that it would be difficult for his wife to join him in Indonesia because she didn’t know the Indonesian language and it was very dangerous for Americans in Indonesia at that time.  Do you recall that being the case?

SAM: I don’t understand why he said that because things definitely were not dangerous for ex-pats in Indonesia at that time.  Crime-wise, it’s a lot worse now, and if somebody is a Christian and lives in an area that is fanatically Muslim, then, yes, but not in those days.  So I don’t know why he would say that his wife would be in danger.  That’s not true at all.

SHARON: He stated that “anti-American sentiment” was very high at that time.

SAM: Well, that was true, but it was just politically, not the people themselves.

SHARON: And if Stanley Ann were living with him…

SAM: Yes, and being a Muslim, too…Once you’re married to a Muslim, you’re one of them, and their religion is “us against you.”  I don’t know whether you know, but if somebody changes religion to Christianity, you would call them a convert, right?


SAM: But the Muslims, when somebody changes her religion and becomes Muslim, the Muslims don’t call it a “convert.”  They call it a “revert.”  Because, in their belief, all the babies were born Muslim; it’s just because of the bad influence of the parents that that baby became a Christian, for instance.  When later on in life, that person becomes a Muslim, then in their minds, that person has become a Muslim again.  So that’s why they use the word “revert” instead of “convert.”  That’s just to show you that the religion is 180 degrees different from all the other major religions in the world.  So that’s why I said that because she was married to a Muslim, I don’t think there would have been animosity toward her as an American.

SHARON: He also said that he wouldn’t be able to support his wife in Indonesia even though he worked for the Indonesian government.

SAM: Well, that was true.  No matter how much he made, even though he was a government official, it still wasn’t enough to support his wife.  In what context did Lolo say that she wouldn’t be able to join him?

SHARON: He was appealing a decision from the State Department for denying an extension of his visa.

SAM: Maybe he used the “anti-American sentiment” as an excuse to stay in the United States.

SHARON: There was also a letter about whether or not he paid his taxes properly and his wife wrote back insisting that he did.  Then there was another letter from Lolo stating that he had a friend complete the form who knew English better than he did and that if he broke any regulations, he was unaware of it and seemed apologetic.  So the husband and wife each said something different.

SAM: Oh, I’ll have to read it.

SHARON: I have one last question:  does the name “Soebarkah” mean anything in Indonesian?

SAM: No, it’s just a name.  It might have come from a very old Javanese word, but there are other people who have been given that name.

SHARON: I ran a quick search and found that “Soebarkah” seemed to be a fairly common last name, but that was before you told me that Muslim Indonesians have only one name.  Many of the examples I saw seemed to indicate that it was a last name.

SAM: “Soebarkah” could be someone’s name, but the son of Soebarkah could have used his dad’s name as his last name, and then his children and their children afterward.  But in this particular case where his name is written in brackets underneath the name “Barack Hussein Obama,” from what I know, my experience of being an Indonesian, having grown up there, speaking the language, to me that only signifies that that’s his other name.

SHARON: And you think he was given that name upon adoption?

SAM: That would be the only occasion where he would be given a different name, especially something that appears in a formal document.  If somebody just gave it to him casually, I don’t think they would write it down in a formal document.

SHARON: It was included in a passport application which said that her original passport “was not valid.”

SAM: It makes you wonder why it’s not valid, doesn’t it?  There’s a big question mark knowing that in those days, somebody in her position who married an Indonesian would have had to have take up Indonesian citizenship in order to be able to live there indefinitely.

SHARON: She always seemed to apply for a U.S. passport every five years, however.  Could she have done that even if she had become an Indonesian citizen?

SAM: Yes, definitely, because I have friends here who say that they kept their old passport, so when they travel outside of the United States, they use their American passport, but when they enter Indonesia, they use an Indonesian passport.  It is illegal, but yes, it’s done.  There are people who have done it.  Ann Soetoro could have done that, too.  I’m not saying she did, but even now, some people are still doing it.  Some of them who are here legally with their American husbands (usually it’s someone who has an American husband) want the convenience of having American citizenship so they don’t have to maintain or renew permits every so many years, but they don’t want to lose their Indonesian passport for whatever reason.  One of the reasons is that they can’t inherit property if they lose that citizenship.

SHARON: If Stanley Ann Dunham Soetoro had become an Indonesian citizen because she married Lolo Soetoro and Obama was adopted and she was flying back and forth between Indonesia and Honolulu, when going to the U.S. embassy to apply for a U.S. passport to make her trips, would they have asked her any questions?

SAM: Well, they would have seen that she had a valid passport, which is all you have to have to renew your passport:  a valid passport, photograph, and it used to be $25; now maybe it’s $35 or less in some places.  But that’s all she would have needed.

SHARON: I think it was $10.00 back in the 1960s.  But would they have said to her, “You’ve been living in Indonesia so you must have become an Indonesian citizen?”

SAM: No.  You can’t really do that, especially if you are an official; you can’t really accuse someone of anything.

SHARON: She always checked off “U.S. Citizen” on the passport applications.

SAM: Not only that, but it’s not done just with an American passport.  I know somebody who did it with a British passport, although Great Britain allows dual citizenship.  But when they came here, Indonesia did not allow dual citizenship.  So the Indonesian passport was kept illegally.

SHARON: Do you know if in 1971, Obama would have to have had his own passport to travel to Hawaii?

SAM: If he had kept his American passport, then he would have had his own American passport.  But on an Indonesian passport, he would have been on his mother’s passport.  There might be exceptions, but that’s generally been the rule.  As I said, in those days they were much stricter than they are now.  Now, they are opening up more, so now they have passed measures which allow a foreign spouse to live in Indonesia, whereas before, I don’t think they had such an opportunity.  There are several exceptions now:  with one, you have to renew every six months, and another one, if the wife or husband sponsors you, it takes a little longer to get it, but you don’t have to renew it every year or after so many months.

SHARON: If Obama had had his own Indonesian passport when he was a child, do you think he used that to enter the United States?

SAM: Well, before his mother married Soetoro, I would imagine that when they left the U.S., they had separate passports for him and for her, and then probably when they were in Indonesia and she had to change her citizenship, then he would have been on her passport.  She was only required to use it when they were leaving Indonesia.  Once outside of Indonesia, she could have used their own individual American passports.

SHARON: But it was illegal to have both?

SAM: What is illegal is for an Indonesian to have two passports, and Americans, too.  I changed citizenship almost thirty years ago, and it was illegal then.

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  1. Question too confusing for me. My mother and I was born in Indonesia. I was 2 when we immigrated to the USA. Am I considered Indonesian and my father was Dutch or am I Dutch. BTW I can read and understand Dutch too but not Indonesian

  2. So Obama must be charged with crimes, arrested, tried and found guilty
    of crimes and treason before being executed, in that specific order for
    his acts to be nullified?
    Any way to change the order?

  3. Lolo Soetoro had many last names one was …. MANGUNDIKARDJO
    SOE BAR – KA – H.
    I posted this before
    – Soebar-ka-h –
    Soetoro Bar-ak -H.
    Soetoro Barack Hussein
    His Gram and Mom called him “BAR”
    His wife says …..BARRACK as others do also….

    ” ILHAM ANAS ” was born: 1/25/1974 he’s 36yr. now as O is 49? or so he says.
    Born : BANDUNG, WEST JAVA he’s married and lives in BEKOSI and has two children.

    Lolo Soetoro also was born in….. Bandung,West Java, Dutch East Indies
    he’s a OBAMA clone/ brother/ twin…what do we know about that?

  4. Misteriouser and misteriouser –

    […] A previously unknown stepsister of Barack Obama died unexpectedly earlier this year.

    Internet researchers made the link between the president and his previously undisclosed stepsister, Holiyah “Lia” Soetoro Sobah, after translating from obituaries published in Indonesia. She died Feb. 26.

    The obituaries identified Lia as having been adopted by Lolo Soetoro, Obama’s stepfather, and Ann Dunham Obama Soetoro, the president’s mother.

    The surfacing of Lia as an adopted child of Lolo Soetoro and Dunham raises the question of whether Barack Obama himself might have been adopted officially as Lolo Soetoro’s stepson while in Indonesia from 1967-1971.

    Even though Obama makes no mention in “Dreams from My Father” of having had an Indonesian stepsister, the Indonesian obituaries make clear that Obama slept in the same room as his stepsister while the two of them grew up together in the Soetoro home in Jakarta. […]

    @ WND:

    1. And the cause of her death was?

      Amazing how Obama keeps such a distance from all of his relatives. One could even get the idea that he knows they know the truth about him, and that is why he keeps his distance.

      I don’t believe his half-brother in Kenya has even been sent enough from Barry’s “stash” to upgrade the mud on his hut.

      1. Reportedly, the cause of her death was high blood pressure and plaque in her arteries, which caused the arteries in her neck to explode. Seriously. She was in her early 50s. An Asian woman who probably ate a typically Asian diet. Sounds plausible to me.

  5. Since federal agencies have indicated they are running all FOIA request by the administration….Is it possible to do FOIA request specific on what the administration is screening/changing when FOIA requests are fulfilled?

  6. does everyone agree that you couldnt make this stuff up? whoever was in on this bc fiasco on the republican side must have realized that we would do all their work for them and they wouldnt have to lift a finger. it.s a win win for them inside the beltway.

  7. Shot at dawn by firing squad.
    I awake myself at the crack of dawn to tune into FOX and CNBC
    wanting to know if……………………
    Then I wonder if THEY will do it to us………..
    Before we do it to THEM.

    You KNOW who THEY and THEM are……………… so don’t ask!!!!

  8. I don’t believe Obama’s birth in Kenya is a myth, I think it is very likely a fact. The more I think about it, the more I want the Lucas Smith Obama Kenyan birth certificate back on the front burner. To my knowledge it was not discredited, it was attempted, but instead the discreditation was discredited.

    Not sure about the clip were Obama is supposedly saying he was born in Kenya, but with all those people present, surely someone could be found for validation, or perhaps another tape of the event? That he has his face away from the camera during most of the “born in Kenya” statement makes it look a little suspect, but it could have just been that way.

    Some things seem to get pushed aside as not being useful too quickly in my opinion.

    1. It was probably some Obamaton wanting to further discredit “birthers” who created the clip in which Oilbama admits his Kenyan birth.

      I didn’t used to believe that Oilbama was born in Kenya. (I was initially a “dual citizenship birther.”) But the Prime Ministers of Kenya have me convinced. The pre-2007 news articles, including at least one from the AP, that mention Kenya being his birth place have helped confirm it. (If you haven’t seen them, you can find a collection of them at Apuzzo’s scribd profile.)

      1. Same thing here Auntie. What tip the balance for me, was to learn that the Kenyan secret services had raided the Mombassa hospital early 2008 to seized all birth records from 60 to 61. Such were later returned, but who’s to know what they took away if any.

      2. Thanks, I have a collection of news articles dating back to 2004 that refer to Obama as “Kenyan born”. I don’t think there was any attempt to hide that fact until about 2007 when they decided they had to do something because of the presidential run, that’s when they created the Hawaiian birth narrative. Trouble was, it was pretty incomplete with some glaring holes in it. So, they pulled out the Alinsky tactics to try to shut up those who did not swallow the fraud they were presenting.

        It worked on some, but the Obots are losng, and the truth is about to be exposed. I don’t know what the entire consequences will be, but if you love America and believe in the Constitution, it will be a time for celebration.

  9. It just looks to me as if it may be:

    first 3 letters of Soetoro = Soe
    first 3 letters of Barack = Bar (maybe the ‘k’ also belongs here)

    So maybe the last 3 of ‘Kah’ or just ‘Ah’ were thrown in for good measure (because it sounds better?), lol, unless kah/ah means something in Indonesia/Kenya like son of or child of? Sounds like Stanley Ann was just testing out the traditional ‘one name’ of the Indonesian people so her son would fit in better? Just my uneducated thoughts on the name Soebarkah.

  10. When Barry was little, he was at the mercy of the grifters raising him. But, in his adult life he definitely was capable to make his own decisions. Obviously he is a product of his environment & lying comes as naturally to him as breathing. You’re right TexomaEd, on so many points. As November nears, people need to understand the Repubs are just as responsible as the Dems for the nightmare occupying the WH, posing as the POTUS. BOTH parties are corrupt and have been corrupt for a very long time. Americans need to QUIT towing their “party line”! American voters need to support those who will uphold the U.S. Constitution, the Bill of Rights and the Declaration of Independence! Linda, I’m with you, they are all complicit – HOW do we get this grifter out of the WH?

    1. European Union Times is to the European Union what the Weekly World News* is to America. Consider everything they publish to be fiction unless and until you find it reported by a reliable source.

      Everything by Sorcha Faal, one of EU Times contributors as well as a contributor to Pravda, should be considered fiction. Actually, it shouldn’t even be read.

      There is no such person as “Sorcha Faal, Russian academic” “Sorcha Faal” is actually David Booth, an American computer programmer “Sorcha” is alleged to be a Russian academic but there is absolutely no record of anyone with such a name in Russian academia. These periodic eruptions have absolutely no basis in any kind of fact or reality and are typical of the nonsense bespangling the internet.

      These are some Sorcha Faal stories listed at the linked page above, which was dated Sept 2007. None of these things took place then or since, proving Faal’s writings to be fiction.
      US President Orders Military To Begin Jailing All Civilian Protestors To War
      US ‘Shoot on Site’ Order Issued For Escaping Americans
      Australia To Imprison All Muslims In Concentration Camps

      *In case you’re not familiar with it, the Weekly World News is the fine publication that brought us Frog Baby Almost Drowns (“My frog baby almost croaked!” LOL!) and Bat Boy Steals Car.

      1. I strongly suspect the Kenyan birth myth was created to explain away why Stanley Ann Dunham was never seen on the island large with child. I suspect that Mr. Obama was born in Hawai’i out of wedlock to Stanley Armour Dunham and an obliging Polynesian wahine, and his daughter Stanley Ann and his friend Obama the alien Luo adopted him to conceal the illegitimate birth. Mr. Obama’s DNA would probably disclose a mother of a haplogroup inconsistent with Stanley Ann’s and a father of a haplogroup inconsistent with that of a Luo.

        Currently the Kenyan birth myth seems to be used to distract the public from the real issues. That phony video debunked by AuntieMadder could be disinformation from the Obama cabal; it could have been produced by AuntieMadder, or a cohort.

        If it was biologically impossible for Stanley Ann to have Mr. Obama, she could not have had him in Kenya or any other place, whatever testimony or documentation there is to the contrary. To prove eligibility at birth, Mr. Obama must prove birth in the U.S.A. to U.S. citizen parents. If Stanley Ann and Obama the alien Luo are Mr. Obama’s birth parents, he’s ineligible, because a parent is an alien. But his true birth parents were probably U.S. citizens. The putative parents in the certification of live birth could be adoptive parents.

        If Mr. Obama was born in Hawai’i to birth parents who were U.S. citizens, his life history must be thoroughly investigated to see whether he lost U.S. citizenship altogether. The Indonesian episode, and many others known and as yet unknown, very possibly caused a loss of U.S. citizenship, hence a loss of eligibility, by forfeiture, disclaimer, renunciation, sedition or some combination of the foregoing.

      2. A citizen investigator by the screen name of Miss Tickly once theorized that Obama was Hawaiian, born of two Hawaiian parents, and then adopted by Ann Dunham and Obama Senior. She posted a number of photos of Hawaiians, and compared them to Obama. She also went as far to theorize that he may have had Hawaiian royal ancestors, and was born in Hawaiian royal lands.

        There is a story of the grandfather (Stanley Armour Dunham) jokingly telling someone that his grandson was a prince.

    2. I strongly suspect the Kenyan birth myth was created to explain away why Stanley Ann Dunham was never seen on the island large with child. I suspect that Mr. Obama was born in Hawai’i out of wedlock to Stanley Armour Dunham and an obliging Polynesian wahine, and his daughter Stanley Ann and his friend Obama the alien Luo adopted him to conceal the illegitimate birth. Mr. Obama’s DNA would probably disclose a mother of a haplogroup inconsistent with Stanley Ann’s and a father of a haplogroup inconsistent with that of a Luo.

      If it was biologically impossible for Stanley Ann to have Mr. Obama, she could not have had him in Kenya or any other place, whatever testimony or documentation there is to the contrary. To prove eligibility at birth, Mr. Obama must prove birth in the U.S.A. to U.S. citizen parents. If Stanley Ann and Obama the alien Luo are Mr. Obama’s birth parents, he’s ineligible, because a parent is an alien. But his true birth parents were probably U.S. citizens. The putative parents in the certification of live birth could be adoptive parents.

      If Mr. Obama was born in Hawai’i to birth parents who were U.S. citizens, his life history must be thoroughly investigated to see whether he lost U.S. citizenship altogether. The Indonesian episode, and many others known and as yet unknown, very possibly caused a loss of U.S. citizenship, hence a loss of eligibility.

      1. If Obama was born in Hawaii to citizen parents, he would still not be a natural born citizen.

        It does not make any difference as to the real parentage of Obama, because Obama Senior claimed him as a product of the marriage. In the time of our Founding Fathers, all that was necessary was for the father of record to claim he was the father in actuality, which Obama Senior did in the divorce papers. In the time of our Founding Fathers there was no way to test for paternity. If a man claimed to be the father of a son, then that was good enough for all legal purposes of identity, passing on of inheritance, land grants, and especially citizenship.

      2. If his parents are NOT Stanley Ann Dunham and Barack Hussein Obama Sr., then he is a liar and a fraud. I don’t care if he was born on US soil to two American citizens (even if one was Stanley Ann Dunham). In that case, natural born citizenship is a moot point. If his parents are not who he said they are, then he’s a liar and a fraud. He may also have broken the law.

      3. There is a difference. If Obama is impeached, tried, and expelled due to fraud, everything that he has done while in office will remain. If Obama is found to be ineligible, everything that he has done while usurping the office will be invalidated. For example, Sotomayor and Kagan will not be Supreme Court justices if Obama is found ineligible.

  11. Have there been any known attempts to obtain Dunham, Soetoro, Obama or Soebarakh Indonesian passport records. Can “Sam” render any advice in accomplishing this?

  12. It may not affect his eligibility.

    However, his school records show something worse IMO. He has purposefully distanced himself from a stepfather and his Muslim roots. That would make him an *sshole and a bigot. Those lies speak to character and character speaks EVERYTHING to leadership. He is simply not fit to lead.

    1. Both Barack Sr. and Lolo Seotoro were Muslim, so there was no change there, really. If he turned away from Islam, that could have been a good thing if he hadn’t remained a Muslim apologist and sympathizer. Still, I, too, have wondered why a man would drop the name of the man who raised him only to revert to the name of the man who abandoned him with his mother as a toddler. Then again, maybe his name never was legally Barry Seotoro or Seobarkah. Or maybe it was changed legally to Barry Seotoro or Seobarkah and never legally changed back to Oilbama. Or maybe he’s never legally been Oilbama, Barry Seotoro or Seobarkah. Maybe he was named Steve Dunham at birth and is still legally Steve Dunham to this day.

      Regardless of his legal name, he’s still an ******* and a bigot. And a grifter.

  13. This name “Soebarkah” looks like it could be a corruption form of Soetoro,Barack. Sort of like the way we corrupt the name Katherine with “Kitty”. Could it be a way to cross over with the two names so that either/or could be used? Like an undercover or alias name? Just wondering…….

  14. Great interview, Sharon!

    You would think the Leftwing media would be churning out books weekly about the origins of I-Obama/ Soebarkah. He has been on the cover of every major magazine for 2 years. We are told that it is none of our business who resides in the WH. Shame!!
    Mrs. Rondeau replies: Perhaps The Post & Email should publish a book and make lots of money from it, since the MSM won’t report it…that would irritate the other side immensely!

    1. Go for it, Sharon!!! FOX seems to interview a lot of people to promote their books. Maybe this would be a way to get the needed Media attention.
      Mrs. Rondeau replies: While I doubt Fox would interview me about a book on Obama’s lack of eligibility, I appreciate the moral support!

      1. Title the book: “Natural Born Citizen” and it should be a hit. The media will then not be able to ignore it. I would buy the book and I would buy other copies and give them to family and friends.

      2. Or, title the book: –

        Citizen Obama — Native Born, not Natural Born… and what else is he hiding?

        ( Revised and improved; …ignore my previous comment… )

  15. Old detective work adages: “Cherchez la famme”, “follow the money”, and the most focused one, “Cui prodest?” (Who benefits from this? – Medea, seneca) –

    It very clear that Barry’s presidency greatly benefits some powers in the world, but this nation has only disadvantages from it –
    One of the clues of Barry’s mysterious (possibly accidental) career is in Indonesia, yet Indonesia has no interest in antagonizing this administration by releasing it, which is understandable –

    Then, all world powers are very interested in having a good, complete file on other leaders’ backgrounds – that’s good for understanding psychologies, soft points, etc…

    Having said this, it can be taken as certain that Indonesia HAS provided (under a confidentiality agreement), all the obscure info about Obama’s past to several intelligence agencies in the world, notably Russia, China, Saudi Arabia and, possibly the former colonial “oppressor,” Holland…

    And since it is quite likely that Obama’s biographical knot that the Indonesian years is, is also highly compromising for his constitutional problem integrity, we are in the situation that the CEO of America is a blackmailable person…

    Chris Mattews would agree with this, we know –

    1. Well, now that you mention it, Chris Matthews might agree with more of this than you thought. On his Hardball program on Dec 18, 2007, he said:

      But didn‘t Hillary dump on Obama a few days ago for playing up his Indonesian roots? So, what is she up to here? Is she pushing how great he is for having been born in Indonesia, or what, or simply reminding everybody about his background, his Islamic background?

      Matthews may have been under the belief then that Oilbama is a citizen of Indonesia and so assumed Indonesia is his birthplace. I doubt his saying that Oilbama was born in Indonesia and Oil-Mama and stepfather declaring his Indonesian citizenship on his school form are simply coincidence.

      For what it’s worth, having seen the school registration form before, I’ve known for some time that he was either a citizen of Indonsia when he was a small child or his mother and/or stepfather lied on the form. Because they also put on the form that his birthplace is HI, it wouldn’t have been beneath them to fraudulently list his citizenship as Indonesian to put him in school. Further, if they used forged or misleading documents (such as a filed COLB that was never registered or a US passport that was applied for and obtained using fraudulent information/documentation) when applying for his Indonesian citizenship, citizenship may have been granted but are legally null and void because they were granted to a person who doesn’t really exist. The same for any Indonesian passports that may have followed. More simply put, he may have received the documents but technically did not become a citizen because the info Oil-Mama put on the forms isn’t his info.

      I’m still positive he was born in Kenya. He was brought to the US as a baby, something I believe only because a woman in Seattle spoke in a interview of seeing him then, recalled that his Oil-Mama didn’t know how to change diapers, and she found that to be remarkable considering he was several months old at the time. At about five or six years old, he was taken to Indonesia. After that, his story gets even more mysterious. His Oil-Mama started him out right…right start for a grifter, that is. That he is a “citizen of the world” may be the only thing he ever said to the American public that wasn’t a lie.

  16. A couple of thoughts. Soebarkah was probably chosen for being an Indonesian name that was similar to Barak … which makes sense so Soebarkah could still go by the nickname of ‘Barry.’

    The other thought is that an official adoption would sever Obama’s citizenship with the United States since Indonesian law did not allow dual citizenship. Soebarkah ‘Barry’ Soetoro would have to be identified as an Indonesian citizen and that the United States would have been unable to legally recognize and protect Soebarkah Soetoro as a United States citizen. Once Soebarkah returned to the United States, instead of legally changing his name back to Barack Obama, he just started using that name illegally.

    Also, in Obama’s book, he talked about finding his birth certificate (with whatever place of birth is listed) and vaccination papers. Instead of having a passport, he may have traveled with those documents, but on his mother’s passport. Also, that birth certificate may show him as Soebarkah Soetoro … or simply as Soebarkah. It might be interesting to send an Index Data request to Hawaii to see what records they have under the name Soebarkah.

  17. My question: Is there one reporter out there who would simply ask the administration … so what’s the deal with the word “Soebarkah” that appears on mother Stanley’s passport application? Instead, we have the incurious, buried-heads like Chris Matthews talking about how birthers are “liars.” Ha, liars indeed! Just the facts, Mr. Matthews, just the facts.

    I vote for Sharon as the reporter that I want asking the questions!

    1. Have you ever seen how Robert Glibs reacts to the WND reporter (John Farah, I think) when he asks about the birth certificate or, more recently, the SS# issued in Connecticut? That’s the reaction – the snickering, the smug, condescending look, the sarcasm – that Mrs Rondeau would get by way of an answer to the question.
      Mrs. Rondeau replies: WND’s White House reporter is Les Kinsolving. He’s the one who is ridiculed all the time when asking anything about Obama’s background. However, ridicule never answers the question. While all of the other reporters in the room laugh nervously, afraid that the truth will come out, Mr. Kinsolving’s questions go unanswered, which of course doesn’t render them invalid.

      1. Thanks for setting me straight on the reporter’s name.

        I agree that the questions aren’t invalid; they’re quite the opposite, in fact. And since Kinsolving’s there every afternoon anyway, then why not ask them? But I wouldn’t make a special appointment to get “the treatment” from Glibs.

      2. But the question that Les Kinsolving has yet to ask is the one below, which has nothing to do with the birth certificate, and is a legitimate question of Constitutional law:

        How can the status at birth of a natural born citizen of the United States of America be “governed” by the laws of Great Britain?

        This question comes from Obama’s own website:

        “When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.”

        Read that last sentence again and carefully.

      3. TexomaEd, Kinsolving could ask that question but the response won’t be any different than when he asked about the SS# or the COLB: Glibs will give him “the treatment.”

        Besides, we don’t need that mental giant Glibs defining NBC or explaining citizenship laws to the public. Between his dishonesty and the people’s gullibility, there’s great potential for further misinforming and misleading Jon Q and Jane Q Public.

      4. AuntieMadder, I don’t expect Gibbs to have an answer or even a good one if he has one. He can’t reference the COLB because it has nothing to do with where Obama was born. All that he could do is to state that NBC means being born on US soil, and that it has nothing to do with the citizenship of the parents. And when he does that, the Conservative media should be compelled to investigate, and when they do, the truth will come out.

  18. Excellent Interview, extremely informative. Isn’t it pathetic that American citizens have to reconstruct the life of a person sitting in such a position in the White House! Especially when the Constitution is so defined and structured. I continue to fail to understand why the Democratic Party is not held liable for this fraud nor that he is not forced to produce the proper documents. However, they perpetrate fraud and deception every day they hold office. They lie, cheat and steal their way through life. Common excuse is “that is a politician”. I did not know there were exceptions to the laws for the politician class under the category of corruption. We the People will not quit until we prove he is ineligible and this game was a conspiracy.

    1. The Democrats are not being held accountable because the Republicans are complicit. They nominated their own non-natural born citizen (McCain – not born in the USA) and they have a rising star for the future — Jindal (born to non-US citizen parents).

      1. McCain’s not the only ineligible nominee from the GOP. George Romney was born in Mexico and Goldwater was born in Phoenix, AZ several years before AZ was a state.

        Rumor has it that the GOP wants to run Bobby Jindal for POTUS in 2012. Jindal was also McCain’s first choice for running mate but Jindal declined the invitation.

  19. Most (if not all) of us who read these posts know that he’s ineligible (on several counts). The point to be made is how do we get someone – anyone – to listen to us and address this issue when even those in Congress appear to be complicit in this cover-up?

  20. This name seems similar to one of the “Soetero like” names associated with Occidental College. This info might have been identified from a yearbook or a publicly available student listing…. I don’t recall specifically.

  21. Well,that’s good enough for me…as far as I’m concerned,Barokeydoke Hubris Obozo is an unlawful usurper who was never Constitutionally eligible to be President and needs to be shot at sunrise….after impeachment and trial,of course.

  22. Ok. Now for the $64,000 question.

    Will Indonesia give out Stanley Ann’s information?

    People who travel between countries lie all the time. They will do anything to be where they want at the time. Americans should not be so surprised that people all over the world have more than one passport, especially those not from North and South America.

    Some people have speculated that Barry gave up his US citizenship, that is not the case IMHO. Notwithstanding he was only 6 at the time.

    Even if he was assigned Indonesian citizenship then, no one would hold that against him or anyone else as an adult.

    However if he used an Indonesian passport or affirmed he was Indonesian as an adult, that would be a different matter. It would be highly criticized but still he would be forgiven because he only did it to get money for school when he was 18. They are not held to the same standard we are but it would still be embarrassing for the president to have scammed to get ahead.

    The main issue is NBC and the only people who can define it is the SCOTUS. But they won’t because they know Barry is ineligible. Nice justice system we have. So moral and everything…

    1. I am with you on his citizenship status at 6 years of age. As a minor, he had no say, and no US court would validate his loss of US citizenship. However, upon turning 18 and becoming an adult, if he applied to Occidental as a foreign student, then that would be tantamount to having renounced his US citizenship. He could later have gotten his US citizenship back as a naturalized citizen.

      The above makes for an interesting question. Suppose a true natural born citizen (born in the US to US citizen parents) gives up his US citizenship as an adult, and then later gets it back as a naturalized citizen. Is this person eligible to be President?

      1. I would say that he’s not eligible.

        Also, if a minor becomes an Indonesian citizen and therefore loses his US citizenship, tough cookies. A baby doesn’t have any say in where he’s born, either. It’s not a matter of holding it against him, like a grudge or something. Citizenship is a legal matter and is determined by laws. That some laws regarding citizenship may not seem fair doesn’t mean they can or should be disregarded.

      2. Your question is a challenge to answer. My initial response is that he would be, but that is because the definition widely understood applies only to the birth situation (i.e. born on the soil to 2 Citizen parents). That definition and virtually none of the historical discussions I have seen go much beyond that.

        However, it doesn’t make sense to allow such a person who had at one time in their adult life issues of loyalty to the US, that pushed them to the extreme of giving up US Citizenship, to then naturalize to regain Citizenship and become president.

        Some might argue that fully informed voters and political party nominators would recognize that potential loyalty weakness and never allow that person through the vetting process, so the eligibility requirement don’t need to go that far to cover this permutation.

        When I said above that virtually none of the historical discussions I have seen go much beyond that, there is an exception and it is addressed in a 12 May posting by Mario Apuzzo at http://puzo1.blogspot.com/search?q=latin.

        In it he indicates that the book Institutio Oratoria, by Marcus Fabius Quintilianus (published in the first century A.D.) was the likely original source for Vattel in his “Law of Nations” and the true source for the natural born Citizen concept. However, Quintillius went further (as indicated by Greschak) because not just parentage, but education and upbringing are required to make an “alumnum urbis oleant.”:

        “Greschak states: “I do not claim that this is the first use of the phrase natural born citizen, but it is the earliest use of which I am aware.” Id. “Alumnum” means “nourished, brought up; reared/fostered by; native, brought up locally.” (Latin-English Dictionary 1.97FC). “Urbis” means city. Parentage, education, and upbringing made an “alumnum urbis oleant.” Just being born in the city was not sufficient to meet the definition of the phrase. It was both birth in the locality and parental and institutional rearing and education from birth that produced the “natural born citizen.”

        This makes sense to me, but also indicates a weakness in the eligibility clause as used by current Constitutional originalists. As a result I believe that, the eligibility clause should be revised. While this could get “messy”, it is nothing compared to the morass of laws and regs that our Congressional and Executive branch Lords lay on us.

        Specifically, eligibility requirement should be;

        a) Born of 2 citizen parents.
        (Note: I thought about possibility of adoption before the age of 2, but there is a potential for child learning his/her birth parents and feeling or developing a connection/allegiance to their country which could conflict with allegiance to U.S).

        b) Can be born overseas if due to short term parental obligation (military service, business, or vacation trip) and immediate return to the U.S. occurs.

        c) Brought up and educated in the US until the age of majority (18).

        d) 14 year resident after the age of majority (18)
        (Note: I wonder if “resident” referred to being an adult resident and that they never thought about a situation where the parents would leave the country to hang out in other parts of the world for long periods resulting in a child being brought up under the influence of another country.)

        e) 35 years old
        (Note: I believe the age of majority in 1787 may have been 21, so I wonder if 35 was developed by adding 21 + 14 = 35.)

        Food for thought…

      3. AuntieMadder, I don’t think I share your analogy between a child having no choice of where he was born and a child having no choice about his citizenship being changed by his parents. A natural born citizen is a citizen by the laws of nature and not of man. Birth location and birth parents are determined by the laws of nature, whereas a child’s citizenship change is determined by man (the parents). I therefore say that man cannot take away what nature has given to a child. Natural law trumps human law.

      4. Garacka, that is a very well researched reply. I do recall reading Greschak and his research to the origins of the phrase natural born citizen. And it makes sense to me.

        One other way of looking at this is to look at the requirements for Congressmen and Senators, and to compare to those of the President. In both of their cases, there is a requirement to have been a citizen for X number of years (7 for Congressmen, 9 for Senators). This of course, was put in so that naturalized citizens could serve in the House or the Senate.

        When we then look at the requirements for President, there is no similar requirement, since the President cannot be a naturalized citizen. Ah, but is there not actually a similar requirement? One could argue that there is a similar requirement — not that the President had to have been a citizen for X number of years, but rather that it was implied that he had to have been a citizen since birth, given that he was a natural born citizen.

        I don’t think that our Founding Fathers could envision a a scenario such as this, where a natural born citizen renounces his citizenship, then gets it back a naturalized citizen, and then is elected President! Else, they would have explicitly said that he had to be a natural born citizen and to have been a citizen since birth.

      5. Natural law doesn’t recognize national borders. That is man’s law.

        Besides, a child brought up in a nation whose cultural attitude about another country is negative is as apt to absorb that negativity toward his former homeland as he is to retain any loyalty he may have felt toward it as a small child. He’s even more apt to adopt those negative beliefs and feelings about the nation of of his birth if his parents took him away from that nation because they feel no loyalty toward it. Multiply that by 100 times if they felt contempt for it.

      6. If Obama has at any time been an Indonesian citizen, that means he LOST is American citizenship. Indonesia until quite recently did not recognize the principle of dual citizenship. By reciprocity, when it came to Idonesia, the US did not recognize it either. You were Idonesian or American, but not both.

        Because he had an American mother, he would have been able to reclaim his American citizenship at any time. But there is no indication he ever did, under age or as an adult.

        In reality, the sentiment is that you cannot fault a child for his parents’ action when it comes to citizenship, UNLESS as an adult the child continue to enjoy the consequences of his parents’action.

        In other words, if Obama had lost his American citizenship because of his adoption, yet had reclaimed it later on before turning 18 or just thereafter, and had never claimed on his own the priviledges associated with another citizenship (Indonesian passport, foreigner scholarship, not registering for service ect…), the sentiment would probably be to “erase” the Indonesian citizenship period. Not only the American citizenship would be restored tru naturalization, but the quality of Natural Born, if ever it existed, would be restored too.

        But if Obama, AS AN ADULT, enjoyed the priviledges of being an Indonesian citizen, the prevailing sentiment among scholars is that, BECAUSE OF THE IMPOSSIBILITY OF DUAL CITIZENSHIP AT THE TIME BETWEEN THE US AND INDONESIA, he would have chosen to erase the conditions of his birth. Later reclaiming his US citizenship tru naturalization, would have just resulted in being a naturalized citizen.

        This is a grey area. Yet, this is the most difficult for Obama because it would put him as having lied on applications for federal money in scholarships (a federal crime which would disqualify O from the presidency if ever convicted), but more importantly because there is no indication whatsoever that he ever reclaimed his citizenship, that he was not elligible for any of the elected office he ever had.

        When Philip Berg calls him an illegal alien, as outrageous as it seems, It is probably true.

      7. AuntieMadder, true, natural law does not recognize borders, but it does recognize that a certain area of land belongs to a certain people.

        Brigitte, I am in agreement with you. Upon reaching the age of maturity, if Obama did not reclaim his US citizenship, taken away as a child by his parents, then by his own act he would have lost it.