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by Sharon Rondeau

Andy Martin has worked as a public interest lawyer for 41 years

(May 3, 2010) — Andy Martin holds a J.D., is a former Republican candidate for U.S. Senate, editor, former adjunct professor of law at City University of New York, and radio talk show host.  As the best-selling author of Obama:  The Man Behind the Mask, he filed a lawsuit in Hawaii in the fall of 2008 to force the release of Barack Hussein Obama’s birth certificate, claiming that it was an historical document which should be part of the public record.

When Mr. Martin was 23, he became manager of a television station in Indiana and the youngest person authorized by the Federal Communications Commission to do so.  His full biography can be found here.

His websites are here, here and here.

MRS. RONDEAU: Thank you for agreeing to this interview while you are taking care of business in Hawaii this weekend, Mr. Martin.  Your newsletter stated that you will be filing a lawsuit this week in Hawaii, and that is why you’re there now.  Is this a different lawsuit than the one you had filed before?

MR. MARTIN: Yes, it is.  In November 2008, I filed a Freedom of Information request.  In Hawaii, their “freedom of information” law is called UIPA (Uniform Information Practices Act), but let’s call it Freedom of Information, just to be simple.

I filed a Freedom of Information request, and it took them five months to answer.  Then they wanted $600, and one of my readers donated the money, and then they basically sent me junk, garbage.  It was all external contact, like if you had sent them an email, they gave me your email.  But they censored all of their internal communications.  So essentially, that’s why if you’ve read some of my releases, I say that it’s a cover-up of a cover-up.  They had to organize how they were going to cover up not responding.

So this lawsuit is not directed at the birth certificate.  I’m still pursuing that.  The judge ruled against me on that one; I’m appealing.  They’re trying to stall the appeal, and I’m fighting that, and that’s one of the reasons I came here.  There is going to be more than one legal proceeding filed next week.  I can’t tell you everything because there’s going to be more to come.  But we’re going to be litigating aggressively against the secretiveness here.

There’s a lot that they’re trying to do, and I think they’re trying to curry favor with Obama because they think he’ll give them his presidential library.  Now there’s more chance that I’m going to adopt children from Polynesia than there is that they’re going to leave his presidential library here.  It ain’t happening.

MRS. RONDEAU: Why do you say that?

MR. MARTIN: His ego is so big that he would never allow a place as small as Hawaii to be the site of his presidential library.  As I said in my column (if you don’t get my emails, you should sign up to get them), but with his ego, he’ll want to put it in the Mall…maybe move the George Washington Memorial and use the vacant space to build his presidential library.  He’s an egomaniac.  So that’s why they’re currying favor with this guy, and it’s sort-of gross, really.

I’m fighting it, but you have to understand something:  there are a lot of people out there who are challenging Obama and doing stuff and making claims, but I have stuck to Hawaii, birth certificate, and issues related to Hawaii:  Frank Marshall Davis, etc.  I focus on an area that I’ve specialized in, but I don’t claim to be knowledgeable in all areas.

MRS. RONDEAU: When did you first begin to ask questions about Obama’s birth certificate?

MR. MARTIN: In the spring of 2008.  I don’t remember the exact date, but I sent them a check and asked for a copy of the birth certificate, and they rejected it, of course.

MRS. RONDEAU: Were you surprised at that point?

MR. MARTIN: I think I was.  I didn’t realize that we were in a marathon litigation.

MRS. RONDEAU: If it had been any other presidential candidate or someone going through a primary, you would have expected that the state in which he presumably was born would have released that?

MR. MARTIN: Well, at the very least I would have expected that if they refused to release it, that he would have accommodated people who wanted to see it if there was any question.  In my opinion, it has nothing to do with where he was born; it has to do with concealing the circumstances of his birth.  What they are, I can’t really give you a definitive opinion because I would be speculating about the lack of contents of a document I’ve never seen.  I don’t know.  But I think he does know, and that’s why he doesn’t want us to see it.  So that’s what I think is happening.  Obama likes to play games with the truth, and he likes to play games with the public.  But he’s been his own worst enemy because all of this hullabaloo about the birth certificate has really undermined his credibility with his own base as well as with the American people.

MRS. RONDEAU: How many people are on your team?

MR. MARTIN: We keep that under wraps because we don’t want Obama to know all of our operational endeavors.  But here’s the thing:  we have more resources and we have more coming in.  The only thing we’re short of, frankly, is money.  We can’t really service all the things we’d like to pursue with a limited budget.  On the other hand, I am not a fundraising machine and I don’t go out banging the pots and pans for money.  We do ask for it, occasionally…but I’m the world’s worst fundraiser, simply because my focus is on the law and on looking for the facts.  I don’t have a daily donation list or something…I don’t do that.

What I suggest is to sign up for the emails because we put out a lot of information, and over the next week, there will be mountains of stuff coming out.  But obviously, you’re better off to read it first so you can digest it.

MRS. RONDEAU: I know you are a lawyer, and the last I heard, you were going to be running for the Senate in Illinois.  Is that still the case?

MR. MARTIN: I did, but I lost the primary.  I couldn’t be in Hawaii working on the Obama case if I were still running.

MRS. RONDEAU: During that time, were you still working on lawsuits and getting to the bottom of the birth certificate?

MR. MARTIN: I was, although not as actively, obviously.

MRS. RONDEAU: Then you now have more time to pursue it.

MR. MARTIN: Of course.

MRS. RONDEAU: Do you think the possibility of the presidential library being built in Hawaii is the only reason they’re doing this?

MR. MARTIN: Well, that’s a plausible reason; they’re currying favor.  But it’s not going anywhere.  In fact, one of the ironies is that as you travel around the city of Honolulu, you don’t see anything that says “Obama Birthplace” (laughs). Even though he was supposedly born in Honolulu, there’s no “Obama Birthplace!”

MRS. RONDEAU: Do you think he was born there?


MRS. RONDEAU: Is there any evidence to support that?

MR. MARTIN: I believe there is a birth certificate.  I don’t doubt for a minute that they have a document, and the elaborate theories of his coming and going to Kenya — I don’t believe any of that.  That’s my experience.  Now what’s the basis of my belief?  Being here, seeing what happened, researching these people, knowing the world as it existed…it’s nonsense that they were flying around the world; it’s just nonsense.

MRS. RONDEAU: So you are very focused on the hidden birth certificate and the fact that he has spent a lot of money keeping it hidden, has he not?

MR. MARTIN: Well, I don’t think he has spent any money keeping it hidden, actually, because many of these lawsuits I predicted would not succeed.  They were filed in the wrong place; they made the wrong claims.  He spent a lot of time aggravating his adversaries and showing they weren’t very good lawyers, but how many of them have filed a lawsuit in Honolulu to get access to the Hawaii records?  None.  So if someone is filing in Montana and claim that they saw something on the internet that Obama was conceived of a space man and a mermaid and they want the state of Montana’s records, I’m not surprised that they’re going to lose.  That’s what I’ve avoided.

Now a judge ruled against me in Hawaii on this issue.  He made an issue of statutory interpretation.  I didn’t sue for the birth certificate in Montana or Missouri; I sued where the birth certificate is, in Hawaii.  This is why I said to people, “If you’ll support this activity, we’ll continue it, because this is where it has to be heard.”  And I think I’m right.

MRS. RONDEAU: When they ruled against you based on that statutory item that you mentioned, were they wrong?

MR. MARTIN: Absolutely.  This is why they’re hiding all of their correspondence:  they don’t want us to see the internal correspondence, because they were trying to fabricate a cover story to deny all of these UIPA requests.  That’s what they’re trying to cover up.

MRS. RONDEAU: So they’re trying to make it seem as if they never received the requests?

MR. MARTIN: No, they were conspiring among themselves to see what their cover story was going to be – Lingle and the others…”Now what’s our answer going to be, Bennett?”  And Bennett said, “Well, tell them such and such, or tell them thus and so.”  You see?  So those are the documents they’re trying to conceal by saying they’re “executive proceedings.”  But that’s a bunch of nonsense.

MRS. RONDEAU: What we have been told from people who have sent their own UIPA requests is that Attorney General Mark Bennett has said that he can’t vouch for anything that Dr. Fukino and the Health Department might have said.

MR. MARTIN: Exactly.  But what if they’re hiding correspondence which shows that they created that non-vouching cover story to defraud people, and that’s what I’m suing to reopen.

MRS. RONDEAU: They claim that they have no index data…that there’s nothing to release.

MR. MARTIN: It’s all lies, all lies.  Because Fukino has repeatedly said, “I have the original ribbon copy in my possession.  They’ve never denied that, and yet, they won’t produce it.  And they’re claiming, well, what does that statute mean?  “Tangible interest”…doesn’t an author writing about the President of the United States have an interest in seeing the basic documents?  It’s absurd!

MRS. RONDEAU: Have you run into anyone who remembers Obama as a small child or when he came back from Indonesia?

MR. MARTIN: Yes, I have.  I’ve talked to some people; they’re afraid to go on camera.  That was the basis of my interviews that led to the belief that Frank Davis was the father.  There are a lot of people who are really concerned about being on camera.  Even yesterday – I don’t know if you saw the report – but KITV has something on their website, and it gives a hint of where I’m heading.  A supporter showed up and wouldn’t give his name.  Why?  Because they’re afraid.

You’ll have to read what I write later this week.  The birth certificate may not be an issue in all of this.  There may be a shorter pathway to the truth.  The birth certificate is intrinsically valuable, but it’s not necessarily the dispositive thing.

I think he’s hurt himself by what he’s done.  He doesn’t think so; he thinks he’s benefited from it.  In one abstract sense, he might have, if indeed we find out at the end of the day that he wasn’t constitutionally eligible and he managed to usurp the authority of the government when he wasn’t entitled to it.  But at the end of the day, Obama is imploding and he’s self-destructing, and the reason is that truth is lacking.

Friday when I held my news conference, I pulled out my birth certificate, and I showed the little one that I carry in my wallet.  My point is, you look at it and you say, “I’ve got nothing to hide.”  I don’t have it handy, but the point is:  What is he hiding?  Ultimately, you don’t have to be a “birther,” and you certainly don’t have to be somebody who believes he was in Kenya to ask yourself the threshold question, “Why is there a refusal to release the 1961 typewritten document?”  I can’t give you an answer.  I can tell you that there’s something missing, but at the end of the day, I haven’t seen it, so I can’t tell you what is missing.  So when you get to the final analysis, his secrecy isn’t helping him.

MRS. RONDEAU: You’ve already written a book about him.

MR. MARTIN: Exactly, and I’m writing a second one.  So the point I’m making is, it’s corrupt here.  But it’s not enough to say it’s corrupt.  You have to follow the process and beat them in their own home court on their own home turf using their own home rules.  And that’s what I’ve done and am continuing to do.  Now, it’s a heck of a lot harder to do that than it is to file these exaggerated claims and say he’s not the Commander-in-Chief and blah, blah, blah, and he has to prove he’s the Commander-in-Chief.  He doesn’t have to prove anything.  He’s in the White House.

MRS. RONDEAU: Regarding the filings you’re dealing with now, from the news release I read, the impression I have is that you are suing all of them for failing to uphold their own UIPA law.  Is that correct?

MR. MARTIN: That’s correct.  What I’m asking the court to do is to tell them that there is no such thing as “executive privilege” for common or garden variety, day-to-day activity responding to public inquiries.  That’s their theory.

MRS. RONDEAU: And do you think you can convince the court to do that?

MR. MARTIN: I don’t know.

MRS. RONDEAU: In which court will it be filed?

MR. MARTIN: Circuit court in Honolulu.

MRS. RONDEAU: Is that the same court where your first suit was filed?


MRS. RONDEAU: And they ruled against you.  Do you have reason to believe that the ruling will be different in this second lawsuit?

MR. MARTIN: I only give it my best effort and I only present the law as I see it and the strongest case possible.  I don’t believe or disbelieve what they’re going to do.  I can’t stop them from doing stupid things; I can’t stop them from looking stupid; I can’t stop them from looking bad.  But there’s a body of law that’s accumulating that these people are not dealing honestly and honorably with issues involving Obama’s records.

MRS. RONDEAU: Do you feel he has lost credibility even with those on the left who elected him?

MR. MARTIN: They’re uneasy.  He’s lost some of his supporters, but they’re uneasy.  People are uneasy.  The guy a couple of weeks ago — I don’t know if you saw the story about the Mayor of Champaign, IL.  He was asking about the birth certificate and they made a big thing out of it.

MRS. RONDEAU: Yes, I did a story on it.

MR. MARTIN: Well, if the Mayor of Champaign, IL has doubts, it’s really saturated…

MRS. RONDEAU: And he was excoriated for coming out and expressing doubt about whether or not Obama is an American citizen.

MR. MARTIN: Yes.  What does he have to hide?

MRS. RONDEAU: There doesn’t seem to be any rational explanation for why someone would do this.  Maybe there’s something that none of us could imagine?

MR. MARTIN: There’s something that he doesn’t want the public to see, but again, I don’t know what it is.

MRS. RONDEAU: Do you think it’s something that would preclude him from being constitutionally eligible?

MR. MARTIN: Well, you’re asking me to speculate, but my answer is that at the very least, it’s embarrassing. But what’s embarrassing to Obama, we don’t know, because his psyche is so convoluted.

MRS. RONDEAU: In your research, have you come across hard evidence that during his childhood, he was psychologically abused?

MR. MARTIN: I don’t think it’s a question of research; it’s basic child psychology.  He came out of a disturbed family background.  Every possible thing that could have gone wrong in his life went wrong, except for his grandparents who stepped in.  So the bottom line is, yes, he had a very unsettled childhood, and that, I think, makes him the person that he is.

MRS. RONDEAU: When you think about the totality of all the parties involved who are hiding something, school records, kindergarten records that are supposedly lost, how do you think they were able to orchestrate this such that no information has gotten out?

MR. MARTIN: Insofar as the school records, federal secrecy laws prohibit release.

MRS. RONDEAU: Unless Obama himself asks for it…

MR. MARTIN: Right, authorizes it.  As far as the birth certificate, the simple answer is that he doesn’t want us to see it; he’s been playing games with it.  But I don’t think there’s a vast conspiracy, or, as Hillary Clinton once said, the “vast right-wing conspiracy.”  I think that in his case, unlike Bill Clinton’s case, some of the information is protected by federal law, but never in contemplation that these kinds of questions would be asked of the President.  And secondly, insofar as Hawaii is concerned, the judge wrote a pretextual opinion trying to cover up the truth, and we’re litigating it.

As I said, there’s been a tremendous amount of energy devoted to all this peripheral litigation around the country, but I think there might have been a different outcome if there had been hundreds of lawsuits filed in Honolulu to get the information.  I’m still the only guy.  People sit on their front porch and they bang their pots and pans, but at the end of the day, I’m alone.  So I’m doing my best, and I’ll continue to do my best, but I’m only one guy.  There’s a lot of complaining, but what is the basis to complain when ultimately, you haven’t done anything?

MRS. RONDEAU: What were you out doing today in Hawaii?

MR. MARTIN: I’m working on a number of stories that are going to start breaking next week about all the fraud attending to Obama’s birth certificate.  In my opinion, there’s still an awful lot about that document that never surfaced.   We don’t know.  What I do believe very steadfastly and sincerely is that he has hidden the birth certificate for cause; in other words, there is material there that he doesn’t want people to see, and he hasn’t announced it openly, or if he has, then they’re hiding it under claims of executive privilege if someone sent them a letter or something.  But at the end of the day, he doesn’t want the American public to see the 1961 document.

What it is in that document he doesn’t want us to see, I don’t know.  We’ll be writing at least one story about the document itself in the next week.  Most of this past week has been involved in field work and research, and we’re  passing around more material and reading and studying.  We’re correlating what has been written with the physical properties of whether they line up.  So eventually, we want to come to an understanding or, if you will, a catalog of all of the lies and all of the inconsistencies, because, as you know, to some people he has said that he born at Kapiolani.  I believe his sister has said he was born at Queens Medical Center.  Let’s see the document, and let’s resolve that.

MRS. RONDEAU: Why do you think there would be two or more different reports as to the hospital in which he was born?

MR. MARTIN: Obama is a master of disinformation.  He’s constantly lying, and sometimes his lies catch him in more lies.  He used to call this woman in Kenya “Granny,” even though she wasn’t his grandmother, and then for months, a long time — even the Chicago papers were bamboozled — and they kept referring to her as Obama’s grandmother, which she wasn’t.  She was a subsequent wife to the one who was the father of Barack Obama.

Now when I originally came to Honolulu two years ago to start digging in the field and talking to people, I  had a different take on all of this, that maybe Obama really wasn’t the biological father, that he was just a stand-in for Frank Marshall Davis.  Honestly, I have never seen anything that undermined that conclusion in my mind.

MRS. RONDEAU: So you still believe that Frank Marshall Davis is the father?

MR. MARTIN: I do.  I can be very candid with you and say that if I found something that contradicted it, I would report. it.   Many people who hated Obama two years ago were angry with me when I came up with the Frank Marshall Davis theory, because they said, “Well, if Frank Marshall Davis is the father, he’s not a Muslim,” and I said, “Apparently not.”  And they said, “Well, we don’t want that; we want him to be a Muslim.”  So I’m not invested in any particular fact or allegation about Obama.  I’m only invested in the search for truth.  I think that’s why, unlike some of my competitors or contemporaries, I have the staying power of credibility where they haven’t.  If I can’t document it, I’ll tell people that.  I’ll say, “Look, this is a theory.”

I don’t know if you’ve watched my movie; if you haven’t, go and look at the movie.  It’s on the internet.  It’s about 25 minutes long.  There’s a little menu of chapters on the right-hand column if you scroll down to the bottom.  It will help you visualize things…if I say to you “Obama birthplace” or “grandmother’s house,” you don’t have a mental image of that, because the mainstream media have never done anything.  Somebody whom we took around today to Punahou was speechless; it was a jaw-dropper.  He said, “This is Punahou?” like it’s Harvard.  It’s like the Harvard of Hawaii.  It’s huge!

MRS. RONDEAU: Do you believe that Obama went there?

MR. MARTIN: Absolutely; he graduated from Punahou.  That’s an objective fact, I think.  When you’re trying to put together a crime file, you have to start with what you do know that’s objectively the truth, and then you start looking at the lies.  As I say, he called this woman “Granny.”  Of course, that got him in the lie of her being the grandmother, and then, of course, she was “Dottie,” and she started spouting about how she knew all this about Obama, but she didn’t know anything.  But he was stuck with her babbling on about his being a Kenyan when she wasn’t the grandmother; she didn’t know anything about when he was born.  But one lie on his part led to a second lie which put his foot in the soup, and the Kenyan theory got pumped up by that.  By the way, you can see the movie at “Boycott Hawaii,” “Stop Obama Coalition”; there are three or four websites that have it.

MRS. RONDEAU: I did hear about your boycott of Hawaii.

MR. MARTIN: I’ll be writing about that more this week.

The point is, when you go back today, the Obama issues are somewhat of a cold case, so I’m doing the litigation, which is new, but insofar as going into the birth information and Davis, I’m treating it like a cold case, so we’re going back and looking at everything all over again.  We’re checking our facts all over again; we’re reading all this stuff all over again. We found new stuff that way.


MR. MARTIN: Oh, you’ll be amazed.  Be sure to sign up so you get this stuff directly.  We have some very interesting stuff that we’re going to be putting up as well as an essay on who the “birthers” are… Right now I’m driving past where Obama did his beach photo-op…that was all staged; it was all a phony picture; he went to this beach, he doesn’t live anywhere near there, but he just set up his phony photo-op for the media.

MRS. RONDEAU: Do you think he spent a lot of time in Hawaii as a young person?

MR. MARTIN: Yes, I do.  I believe he spent from age 10-18 there, absolutely.  His first years were.  Look, if you want to believe that he was born in Kenya, I will defend to the death your right to believe that, but I don’t think that I’ve ever seen any credible evidence that I would put in front of a judge that he was born there.

MRS. RONDEAU: You mentioned UIPA law.  The Post & Email has done a lot of researching of the UIPA laws, and we’ve made quite a few requests.  In regard to your requests, how exactly did they obstruct giving you the information you requested?

MR. MARTIN: They just claimed executive privilege for everything. They gave nothing.

MRS. RONDEAU: We received a lot of answers that said,”We have no records responsive to your request,” which I suppose is the same thing as nothing.

MR. MARTIN: The difference is that a lot of people have gone in there, and they’ve asked for this “Soetoro” stuff and blah, blah, blah.  I’ve never done the Soetoro stuff because that’s nonsense.  The Soetoro name arose out of the second marriage; it was used by the stepfather as an accommodation; there’s no evidence of any adoption, etc.  I’m talking to someone who’s here today learning for the first time, and I said, “It cheapens the movement when you start bashing the guy for what people did when he was six years old.”  So I’ve always felt that it cheapens us – not me, because I’ve never done it; I won’t touch that kind of stuff – but she married again, and they moved to Indonesia, and the man did his best as a stepfather, as stepparenting is not easy, took him to the Catholic school and told the sisters what they wanted to hear so that the boy could be in school, and that’s the end of it.  Anybody that makes a big thing out of that, it seems to me, cheapens the movement.

I have no problem with bashing away on the birth certificate, because that’s a legitimate issue.  He had nothing to do with that, either.  But the point is, you have to focus on the substance.  That’s one of the things that I try to do.  I try to sharpen the arguments; you look at what’s good and what isn’t; you look at what’s important and what isn’t, and you focus.  That’s why ultimately, they don’t like me.

The only three people that Obama has ever denounced are Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, and me, at least until recently, when he added a fourth name to the catechism:  Glenn Beck.  Now all of those guys have big national media profiles; I don’t.  Why am I different?  Why did I get trashed by Gibbs?

MRS. RONDEAU: When did that happen?

MR. MARTIN: During the presidential race.  Why is that?  Because I have tried to find the facts, and I’ve stuck to the truth, and that’s why they don’t like me.  If I were running around promoting bogus documents and bashing him for what his parents did to him when he was six years old, I would lose credibility, too.  But what I’ve said, and I want to see the evidence, I want to see the state records, and I’ve said now they are legitimate national archives, and hint, hint, you may see an argument like that in a lawsuit this week.  But nothing about Barry Soetoro…so when they answer people who file these UIPA things and say, “Send us what you have on Barry Soetoro and Barry whatever,” of course they said they had no records, because there weren’t any.  It was nonsense.  So what I have brought to the table is the integrity of wanting only the facts and only the truth and focusing on what I felt was real.  I don’t want to harass Obama; I don’t hate him; I disagree with him politically, of course; there’s no question about that.  But I don’t want to do it in a way that cheapens me.

MRS. RONDEAU: In the KITV article, I noticed that they quoted you as saying that Obama definitely is not a “natural born Citizen.”  If Frank Marshall Davis is the biological father, then that wouldn’t be correct, would it?

MR. MARTIN: I had said that if you accept that Barack Obama Sr. is the father, he is not natural born; if you accept my theory that Frank Marshall Davis is the father, then he is natural born.

MRS. RONDEAU: Thank you very much for giving us this time during your hectic schedule in Hawaii, and I hope to do a follow-up interview at some point after your legal actions have been filed.


Editor’s Note: Mr. Martin’s best-selling book, Obama:  The Man Behind the Mask, can be purchased at Orange State Press and Amazon.

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  1. According to a WND article posted today, 5-6-2010, Hawaii’s governor, for the first time, says Obama was born at Kapi’olani hospital in Honolulu.

    May we see the hospital records please.

  2. In an out of wedlock birth the mother determines the citizenship. Alleged mother Stanley Anne Dunham who is supposed to have died age 52 of cancer is alive and well at age 67 in a http://www.intelius.com search. She is the assumed mother. The individual in Hawaii with the Obama birth certificate may be alive or dead but his birth certificate has been assumed by Obama, not his real name. The best way to become a US citizen is to assume the identity and ownership of a birth certificate in Hawaii with their third world security. Clearly ‘Obama’ is about 10 years older than claimed in photo comparison analysis. Believed from Thailand. View:

    The Nazis in The White House Story: Part 5

    ‘Obama’ doesn’t resemble Davis or Obama.

    The Nazis in The White House Story: Part 7
    Three Generations of Nazi Spies Since 1930’s

    1. Look, I don’t know what Obama’s real background is, so all speculation is valid as far as I’m concerned until the real truth is uncovered, but that was one of the stupidest things I’ve read so far. It is apparently based completely on speculation…and has the author ever seen a 50 year old man? I know a lot of 49 y.o. men who look a whole lot older than Obama, that just makes the whole argument sound ridiculous. Also, I agree he doesn’t look a bit like BHO Sr., but he does look like his half brothers who (we have been told) have the same father and different mothers (who he does look like). Just my opinion….

    2. Interesting theory. There are odd parallels between Stanley Ann’s life story and her mother’s. Both secretly married, if you believe the stories. Madelyn at 17; Stanley Ann at 18, if you accept her birth date.

      Stanley Ann has been reported to have been, variously, 52, 53 or 55 at her death; and she’s been given several causes of death–ovarian versus uterine cancer. Any others?

      Ditto with Madelyn’s death. Different stories about her final illness. She broke a hip and was hospitalized. Michelle asserted that “Toot” was doing fine. The hospital released her, so apparently she WAS doing fine. Except she wasn’t. (In this day and age, no hospital releases a seriously ill person, lest there be lawsuits.) However, we’re expected to believe that suddenly a cancer that was in remission returned and caused her death, only days after Michelle claimed that she was doing fine. No funeral. No burial next to her husband. Very odd. Nothing ever hangs together. Is this how it works in your life?

      1. SapphireSunday-I found granny’s (no disrespect intended) death suspicious too. Recently I read where BO possibly had a heavy hand in her sudden demise. Not only was she immediately cremated; without a funeral, no burial next to her husband of many years; BO proceeded as usual with a public speech the same day. While he spoke of her and her passing; the absence of emotion was startling-no lump in his throat-no pause in speech-not one tear.
        I agree with you, “Nothing ever hangs together”

    3. Jon-good info & thank you.
      I looked at the pics of BO & Putin. The first thing I noticed & found odd is Putin’s necklace.
      Very odd since he’s a Communist. Moving on to BO’s pics. I don’t think the aurthor provides a convincing argument regarding his age. However, I’m beginning to wonder if SAD is in fact his mother. I never questioned that previously; but, I suspected something strange about her death.
      And the plot thickens…..

  3. While anything is possible given how opaque O’s past is and the established FMD – Dunham connection, I do not prescribe to the theory that FMD is the daddy. There is overwhelming evidence to the contrary. The birth announcement if is a true representation of Barry’s entry into the world, the Dunham – Obama divorice decree, the return of BHO Sr. to Hawaii in the early 70s, and O’s visit to Kenya as a young adult, just does not add up to a FMD cover-up unless Barry and BHO Sr. were both completely deceived by SAD and the elder Dunhams.

    Not that “Dreams From My Father” is anything that remotely resembles the facts and history, O allegedly examined his b/c while in high school. If FMD was listed as the natural father, why would he later visit Kenya to explore his nonexistent roots?

    Andy Martin is something of a self aggrandizing kook, IMHO. The interview itself however, is another fine piece of work by Mrs. Rondeau.

    1. Mrs. Rondeau is absolutely at the top of my list. Thank you again for valuble information and your tireless contributions.
      Mrs. Rondeau replies: Thank you so much; your readership is greatly valued as well.

  4. This newspaper article states that SAD did move to Washington after giving birth but that she left her husband AND her son back in Hawaii:


    If this is true, then are all the anecdotes about SAD and little Barry, given to reporters by her friends and the purported “babysitter”, little more than misdirection and disinformation?

    How could a reporter be mistaken about something like whether or not she took her baby with her?

    What’s more plausible:

    that a young, 18-year-old, first-time mother is living alone, scant weeks after giving birth, going to college, with no family nearby to help or support her;

    OR that she’s going to college in another state while someone else cares for her child, back home in Hawaii?

    Is it embarrassing that not only did his father abandon him but his mother did, too?

    Where exactly was he while SAD went to college in Washington? Did Stanley, the itinerant salesman, care for the baby while Madelyn worked?

      1. No, I haven’t. But I expect that by now someone has asked, which is why there are no comments with the story. No comments in a year and a half? There’s no “correction” to the story, either, which is interesting.

        What would you expect the reporter to say at this point? I do believe that all of them by now are either complicit or afraid. This doesn’t seem to be something a good reporter would be mistaken about.

        The story is from Oct. 2008. He’s a local Seattle reporter, so maybe he knew more about the situation in Washington than the national reporters did and maybe there wasn’t as much pressure on guys like him as was put upon lamestream media reporters during the campaign. Remember the Obama Truth Squads? Maybe he figured there was no problem with reporting the truth. Maybe he hadn’t been filled in yet on the “official” story. His bad.

        This reporter was careful to distinguish what he took from other news reports and Obama’s books, so by implication previous information came from original reporting.

        There are other reports claiming that Stanley Ann lived in a student dorm before moving into that apartment. Did student dorms allow infants back in 1961? I doubt it. At least one friend reported visiting her in that dorm, so it’s that friend’s word against other friends’ words. Most of the quotes by THOSE friends can be traced back to two lamestream media stories, that coincidentally (or not) seem to parallel each other in phrasing and content.



        If you care to contact the Seattle reporter, have at it. It’s not worth my while because I can guess what he will say. Obama is the POTUS now and you can see how he and his minions treat critical (read: good) reporters. Even fellow African-Americans, like Wendell Goler. Or maybe especially fellow African-Americans (who must be “race traitors” because they do their jobs and have some integrity, instead of marching in lockstep).

    1. I just added a comment and asked the question. We’ll see what happens if anything. It still shows 0 comments, but when I click on it my comment is there and it says 1 comment.

  5. I remain wary of Mr. Martin, too. His true agenda, that is. Not saying one way or the other. Just saying, take it all with a grain of salt.

    slcraig: I’m with you and jane. (jane–he also looks nearly exactly like brother George. I don’t think he resembles FMD.)

    One has to wonder whether or not the FMD angle is another, “Yeah, that’s the ticket” line, put out there only to confuse the issue.

    If one accepts that a NBC must have two citizen parents (which a court may at some point decide), then one “out” might be to claim that the biological father, whoever he is, should supercede the legal father, and that allows the child to be considered a NBC for purposes of the presidency. A possible weasley way out for That One, if BHO Sr. isn’t his father. Others point to Malcolm X, who, btw, BHO Jr. does resemble. So is FMD a red herring?

    I have asked before and haven’t received a legal answer yet, perhaps because no court has ever ruled on this: if a child is adopted by two NBCs, then is that child a NBC, even if the child was born to non-citizens or perhaps even in another country? Will all those adopted Chinese girls be prevented from ever running for POTUS?

    It’s in Obama’s favor to keep the ball in the air. To keep everybody speculating about his citizenship status. Then he can run out the clock.

    Or, if a court ever takes the case, he can deal with the issue at that point. If BHO Sr. isn’t his father, then he’s mightily embarrassed, given “his” biographical books.

    However, if a court rules he’s ineligible for the presidency because his father was a British citizen, then possibly he will suddenly claim his true father, throw himself on the mercy of the court and the American people, and perhaps retain power.

    Do take note of the odd wording of that statement at FactCheck about how British/Kenyan citizenship laws applied to all of BHO Sr.’s “children.” The fact being checked is Obama’s NBC-ship status, yet they drew into their response ALL of BHO Sr.’s “children.” Why?

    Their statement does not single out Obama by name; it simply IMPLIES that he’s included AMONG BHO Sr.’s “children.”

    FactCheck would also have an out by stating that at the time they wrote that statement, they didn’t know that BHO Sr. wasn’t Obama’s father. Obama can claim the same. He can suddenly “discover” the truth.

    Even though none of that would be believable, many Americans would believe it because they’re not paying attention to the details and instead believe the lies propagated by Obama and the complicit lamestream media. Can’t you just imagine the pity party they’d mount for poor Obama, when/if it comes out that he was victimized and “embarrassed” by his parents?

    It’s not beyond the realm of possibility that SAD was pregnant by someone else, courted and married BHO Sr., in order to give the child a name and a plausible identity, given that the child was not white. It’s happened before and happened more often back in those days when unwed motherhood was not as accepted as today.

    It’s been said that Stanley Dunham knew BHO Sr. in Hawaii before SAD and her mother moved there. So, did Stanley recruit BHO Sr. for plausible fatherhood? A cover for SAD and baby? Who knows?

    If BHO Sr. was not the father and did not know that SAD was pregnant when he married her, this might explain why he didn’t seem to object to his wife and namesake moving to Washington so soon after the birth. It may also explain why SAD was living with her parents instead of her nominal husband. It may also explain why BHO Sr. didn’t mention a wife or son in that newspaper article–the one that so puzzled BHO Jr. when he found it along with his BC in his mother’s papers. It may also explain why BHO Sr. never mentioned a wife and son to his friend nor asked after them when Abercrombie allegedly visited BHO Sr., years later, in Kenya.

    Amber: I read somewhere yesterday that the age of consent in Hawaii at that time was 14. I don’t know if that’s true or not. However, Stanley Dunham knew FMD and knew who and what he was. Even so, that did not stop him from introducing his grandson to FMD, nor allowing him to be “mentored” by FMD, whatever the scope of THAT mentoring was.

    1. 14? Oh how nice. Stanley Dunham & wife were extreme activists within many far-left wing radical organizations. I hesitate to write they were members of the Communist Party since I cannot site my source. It was quite some time ago. However, Glen Beck presented a similar analysis about 1 month ago. He emphasized how BO was surrounded by Communist influence since birth including his mother. My point is, not only do we have a usurper in office; we have a Communist usurper in office. Worse yet, I have read several articles describing Obama as narcissistic. I’m not trying to move off topic; however, this mental condition combined with BO’s agenda is terrifying. Remember Hitler was narcissistic. The importance of proving his ineligibility cannot be stressed enough considering all combined factors.
      Please review the article & note the creepy pic.


      1. Amber, thanks for the link. I missed that one. You know, two years ago, I read a long treatise by a doctor who similarly speculated that Obama is a malignant narcissist. The media were willfully blind. Nearly to a person, psychologists and psychiatrists are leftists. How they did not see, still do not see, what is in front of their very own eyes is amazing. Everything about Obama’s life history speaks to why he is the way he is. While we can pity him, we cannot let him destroy our Republic. Let’s hope that we can correct this mistake in 2012. Good luck to Lakin and all others who continue fighting to expose the truth.

      2. Indeed, we have both a usurper and a Communist in the White House. However, it is Obama’s usurpation of the Presidency that is unConstitutional and not his political beliefs. I say we focus on the defending the Constitution and keep politics out of the eligibility issue. Defending the Constitution is a noble and patriotic effort, and the public is receptive to that. If we add the motive of “getting Obama”, then we likely lose the support of the public.

        Obama and his politics should be dealt in parallel and separately. We can and will defeat Obama and his ilk in the arena of ideas — as long as we have a Constitution.

    2. With regard to your question about whether a child, born in a foreign country or born to foreigners, adopted by US citizen parents would be a natural born citizen of the US, the answer is no. There is only one point in time that a child can be a natural born citizen, and that is at the time of birth. At the time of birth, the adopted foreign child is a citizen of a foreign country and subject to its power, even if for a short period of time. As an adult, the adopted child may very well harbor an attachment to his/her country or parents of birth.

      Our Founding Fathers wanted future presidents who were free of foreign influence and entanglements, and natural born citizenship was a “strong check” against this. Another check against foreign influence was the 14-year residency requirement. Our Founders understood that foreign influence came not only from birthplace and parents, but also from having lived in a foreign country and having been exposed to foreign ideas and customs.

      1. Texoma Ed: I understand your point, but my point is that previous records are sealed (as is the case with Obama’s records), so how is one to even know that an adopted child WAS adopted and where the child was born? See what I’m getting at? Suppose two illegal aliens have a baby in the US and put it up for adoption. The child, by the two-citizen-parents rule, is in no way a NBC. But if two citizens adopt the child, does the child suddenly become a NBC?

        New birth certificates are (certainly used to be) created for adopted children, with the adoptive parents being placed on the birth certificate AS IF they’re the biological parents. Sometimes, even the place of birth was changed to the city where the parents resided.

        Even Hawaiian law, back in the sixties, allowed for “foundlings” to be listed on the new birth certificate as having been born in Hawaii, even when nobody knew WHERE the kid was born or who the kid was born to.

        Nobody can say how the SCOTUS would rule on these issues. I understand the intent of the Founders. But the devil is in the details. Thanks for your input, though. Are you a lawyer, btw?

      2. SapphireSunday, a child born to illegal aliens in the US and then adopted by US citizens would not be a natural born citizen. At the time of birth, the US citizens were not the parents of the child.

        A natural born citizen attains his/her citizenship by the laws of nature and not of man. If you are born in the US to citizen parents, you don’t need any human law or action to say that you are a US citizen. You are obviously and “naturally” a US citizen — you are a natural born citizen, and no foreign nation can lay any claim upon you at birth.

        In your example, if the adopted child’s citizenship status were allowed to change from dual citizen (citizen of the illegal parents’ country, citizen of US by birthplace) to natural born citizen, then this change would have been the result of a human action and not by the laws of nature.

        Note also that, under a correct interpretation of the “subject to the jurisdiction of” clause in the 14th amendment, the US-born child of illegal aliens would not even be a citizen of the US at birth, and thus would be a naturalized citizen upon adoption by US citizens.

        I am flattered by your asking if I am a lawyer. Thanks.

  6. Well, I’m not sure if Mr. Martin is sufficiently investigated ANY aspect of this controversy.

    I] It makes no difference in most legal circles I am aware of WHO the bio-daddy may be if another individual CLAIMS paternity and is ACKNOWLEDGED by the bio-mommy then under the laws of most States I’m aware of that person is the legal DADDY. A marriage prior to the birth is only icing on the cake.

    2] Mr. Martin has displayed NO intellectual curiosity as to the definition of natural born citizen with its implied distinctions in the Constitution from ALL OTHER PATHS to citizenship.

    That would include the scenario Mr. Martin implies, i.e., that the ‘0’ has TWO daddy’s, a ‘ bio-dad and a legal dad’, which may or may not seem unusual to some, but it ain’t ‘natural born’ and add’s another element of FRAUD to the ‘0s’ bio if it should turn out to be the fact.

    3] Two’s enough, I’m moving on to conserve space.

    1. I agree with your 1st point (and 2nd point about Martin’s lack of NBC knowledge).

      It does not make any difference as to the real parentage of Obama, because Obama Senior claimed him as a product of the marriage. In the time of our Founding Fathers, all that was necessary was for the father of record to claim he was the father in actuality, which Obama Senior did in the divorce papers. In the time of our Founding Fathers there was no way to test (such as with DNA) for paternity. If a man claimed to be the father of a son, then that was good enough for all legal purposes of identity, passing on of inheritance, land grants, and especially citizenship.

      Obama’s citizenship status at birth was dual (US and British/Kenyan) and so was his allegiance. His status at birth was “governed” by the laws of Great Britain. Natural born citizen status is the “strong check” against foreign influence, and this influence was present at the birth of Obama, as well as in the years that followed. These are all facts which will not go away should his father turn out to have been an American.

  7. Almost everything people are saying is a mix of speculation and opinion. The facts are few. I hope Mr. Martin is able to get some more facts. My opinion is that obama’s nativity story is fraudulent.

  8. I think Martin is wrong about the birthplace because of so many ‘leaks’ from his wife and from those in Kenya, among others. There has been speculation about who Barak’s possible real father is floating around before. Looking at Obama/Soetoro, he doesn’t look like either his mother or his ‘supposed’ father, Obama Sr. But nobody knows for sure, and those who do aren’t talking.

    The only thing that Martin said that makes sense (to me) is that one has to stay focussed, not get side-tracked, and follow the lead to its conclusion. Simply using the process of elimination.

  9. I give Sharon a ton of credit for the time spent talking to this man. Frankly, I think anyone that can listen to him that long should have a medal.

    So, MR. Martin goes on his “march” on Friday (all alone) to make the Hawaiian gov. aware of his dire intentions, but he never checked to see if it was a furlough day? Why wouldn’t a serious researcher do their homework to make sure the persons they are traveling all the way to HI to fuffle up will even be in the office that day?

    So he takes the donations, goes to HI, and gets nowhere. The internet powerhouse should have used his internet skills and checked things out before making the “Birthers” look like gross amateurs. It’s a shame when things like this happen. It sets a legitimate issue back a few paces.

    Were any one of us traveling there on such a mission, I’d expect we would take a few moments to make certain of what we could expect to reasonably be able to achieve.
    I just spent 60 seconds to do this:


    Bottom line, I’m sure a lot of people put in a lot of hope and donated a lot of money…he should have done the common sense thing before he booked the trip. Sadly, many people expected just this sort of thing to happen.

    Sure, he has “other” things he plans on doing, like filing “lawsuits” he knows are not going to produce a thing. Oh wait, they have already produced a contribution funded trip to HI. In fact at least three that I am aware of.

    What does he hope to achieve if he honestly believes that Frank M. was obamas father? He knows it can never be proven, so what does he care if HI does or does not cough up internal correspondence? It’s not like a young woman in 1961 would have put a fathers name on the BC that she was not married to. So what’s Andy trying to get?

    It’s lovely in Hawaii.

    1. I love being skeptical of all these people.

      Any idea of what could be so embarrassing or damning besides the birthplace? If it is an affidavit scenario I just don’t get why he wouldn’t have released it originally then said, “Hawaii gave me a BC. Prove I wasn’t born here, people. Otherwise, f- off”

  10. Andy is there for one purpose only, and that is to get some attention. He is totaly mixed up. You can hear it in this interview. Frank, Hawaii, not Hawaii, etc. He lost his Senatoerial primary, so he is searching his attention elsewhere. Yes I am a birther and extremely proud of it! I won’t change my mind for his nonsense research that he can’t reveal yet. Nothing to wait for. No news will come from him. I have been following him for some 2 years now. Stick to the other attorneys who have a much clearer picture on this issue than this egoistic maniac. Guys, don’y hold your breath till his so called revealations next week. Nothing will come out of all his lawsuits, and he admitted it in the interview. In my opinion, if a stepfather adopts someone, even if it’s against the better wishes of the child, the child is legally his. So by him saying he won’t go after him since it wasn’t his fault at age 6, is totally nonsense. I can go on and on, but I think you get the picture. Disregard this guy. He is not in to get anyone but to gain some publicity for himself, for which he succeeded by getting an interview by The Post & Email. Let’s keep strong. Yes, we have all the reason to believe that he was indeed “NOT” born in Hawaii.

  11. I visited Martin’s websites. Skeptical would be the word that comes to mind. One news station and one local supporter who would not identify himself for his “attack” on the state offices???

  12. Sorry, I agree. I don’t believe Martin either. If Davis is the “father” why is Martin taking a vacation in Hawaii? With BO Sr. out of the picture, there is no reason to doubt Hawaii was the birthplace. Davis and ANY female member of the Dunhams would be grounds for NBC consideration. Until this piece, I had never heard of “Martin” let alone him being in the same league as Beck, Hannity, or Limbaugh. Until proven otherwise, Martin is a coat-tail rider IMHO.

  13. Wherever he was born and whoever are his parents one thing is for sure he is a fraud and liar.

    That much we know for sure. That being the case we must not believe anything that comes out of his mouth or the government in general. It is all one big hoax. That is the current paradigm we must accept. If we proceed with that in mind we will be better served.

  14. Why doesn’t someone in the media just file in U.S. Federal Court with a claim that the public interest outweighs any privacy consideration? (They did it to get Jack Ryan’s divorce records when Obama ran against him.)

    What information would be on Obama’s original vital records that would be an invasion of his privacy? He already (allegedly) released anything that would be a matter of personal privacy. The information that has remained undisclosed, if released, would serve to establish the veracity of the COLB. If the COLB issued by Hawaii was based on a birth report filed by his grandmother, that should be enough to launch a full investigation. It sure wouldn’t support Obama’s claim of being born in a hospital, and it would definitely legitimize the claims of Kenyan birth.

    A fraudulent birth report would explain the existence of vital records in Hawaii, the birth announcements in the newspapers, and the acknowledged Kenyan birth reports.

    1. But it has to be OBVIOUSLY fraudulent, and I’m not sure how that could be. If it is an affidavit, as I’ve said, he’s still untouchable, unless you prove he was born in Kenya with real evidence.

      There is something big though. Why lie about Kapiolani? As I’ve said, he clearly did. Why not just present the shady birth details in 2004 when nobody can prove otherwise, anyway?

      There is something more, and it’s gotta be WEIRD.

  15. He comes off as quite the egotist himself. If Marshall was the father why would the divorce decree list Obama jr. as the child on the Obama/Dunham divorce decree?

    1. I agree, he does seem way off track and really in to himself.
      He’s not the son of FMD, who has an unmistakable look to him, he looks like Mark, his “brother”…
      No Bloody WAY! Look at FMD’s other son, and videos of FMD itd be like saying a black Jack Klugman was his father, that’s how distinctive FMD is, there is absolutely no way.
      I’m starting to think this guy is a disinformation agent.

      Obama was born in Kenya.
      No officials from Hawaii say he was born there, none will vouch for any statements that he was.
      However many officials from Kenya say he was born there. Andy Martin’s description of this as something fictional, is itself fiction!! Phil Berg found the Mombassa connection a long time ago.

      And really what does all of this serve? Nothing. If he was born in Hawaii and BHO Sr was his dad, he wasn’t eligible.
      Andy Martin is full of it! No WAY is FMD his dad, NO WAY, go look at FMD on video.
      No WAY!
      Now look at Obama’s brother (other son of BHO Sr)
      Andy Martin has no credibility and is working against the cause of truth. I’m sorry I ever believed anything about him.

      1. Oh my. I see what you mean. BO doesn’t look anything like him. Instead I would be more convinced he is Michelle’s father.

    2. Wasn’t BO adopted by Obama Sr.? Or the Indonesian husband/lover? Whatever. I apologize I sometimes become lost in this tangled woven web of lies and deceit.
      If Frank Marshall Davis is his father, he would have been 56 when he seduced an underage girl. FMD was born in 1905. Why wouldn’t her father have charged FMD with statutory rape? It would have most certainly held up in court during the 60’s. Despite the distinct possibility; I still don’t buy it.

      1. Per what we know, BHO Sr. was his father, because BHO Jr. looks like his half brother Mark whose father was also BHO Sr., he looks nothing, absolutely nothing like Frank marshall Davis’ son.
        Obama was adopted by Lolo Soetoro then moved to Indonesia where he was an Indonesian citizen.

  16. Interesting interview. I’m curious; however, if Mr. Martin believes BO was born in Hawaii and both parents are nbc; what is there to research & pursue? And why would he waste time and expense? Any findings deemed simply “embarrasing” won’t prove meaningful nor remove him from office. I attempted to watch 2 segments of his video; but, my attention span was short-lived. Seems to be more of a “campaign” ploy than anything. Hmm. Something about this just doesn’t sit well with me.

    1. Because, it’s not OK to take the office of president under an assumed name, and to lie about who your father is…..if that’s the case it is much more than just “a problem”, especially if the dad happens to be the communist leader, Frank Marshal Davis. It would be far more than just embarrassing, both to Obama and his enablers.

      I don’t think people are thinking through the implications of what’s on the real, long form birth certificate, if there is one. There are things that could be on it that would wipe out his presidency besides not being a natural born citizen, which we already know he isn’t without the need for a birth certificate.

  17. I would add that if bho was born in hawaii, why hide the hospital? the bc could still be prevented from being released but the whole question of being born in hawaii could have been closed. i have always thought bho was born i hawaii. it is only recently that i have questioned his birthplace due to statements coming out of kenya. what a total mess, you have a woman claimimg she was at the birth hospital when she didnt even know bho senior at the time of his birth, you have an official in kenya who claims bho was born on kenyan soil, and more. do these people just make things up because thay want to be close to this man and claim him as their own?

  18. I hope Mr. Martin wins, but I think Mobamba was born in Kenya. Number 1 Wife Michelle says Kenya is his HOME COUNTRY. More Kenyans are popping up everyday saying the same thing. And from my PERSONAL RESEARCH, I can definitely say that Presidents unfortunately lie and cover up all the time. And in worse ways than just a little single piece of paper. But wherever the rascal was born, he should discuss it, not RUN AND HIDE like a chicken. AMERICAN Presidents are not supposed to be chickens.

    Poetry Critic

  19. Great Article but I would caution Andy MArtin in defining nbc. From what I have read your status is based on who you claim is your parent. That is why the bc is not the issue.

    1. I think you still have a big problem if you have an actual, real, long form birth certificate that says your father is one person, and you just up and say he was someone else.

      Obama’s real, long form birth certificate, (if he has one now), is of the utmost importance, along with the many other sealed school records and other information from his real past.

      Oh, and I think he was born in Kenya………