AND CITES THE U.S. CONSTITUTION!
by Sharon Rondeau
(Feb. 4, 2011) — A citizen contacted the Texas Secretary of State, Hope Andrade, whose responsibility it is to oversee the Elections Division. According to its website, the Secretary of State “provides assistance and advice to election officials on the proper conduct of elections.”
From: Redacted
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 12:54 PM
Subject: Qualification to run for Office of The Presidency of The United States
Texas Board of Elections,
What are the qualifications to be President of The United States. It is not displayed on the Texas Board of Elections webpage.
My Request is that all Candidacy qualification remain throughout the year for educational purposes.
And the Elections Office responded:
From: Elizabeth Winn <EHanshawWinn@sos.state.tx.us>
Subject: FW: Qualification to run for Office of The Presidency of The United States – Maroney (EHW)
To: Redacted
Cc: “Kim Beal” <KBeal@sos.state.tx.us>
Date: Thursday, February 3, 2011, 3:48 PM
As you may know, the President of the United States is up for election every 4 years. The next general election for this office will be in November 2012. The requirements to run for President of the United States are outlined in Article 2, Section 1 of the United States Constitution. A candidate for this office must be:
1. A natural born Citizen of the United States ;
2. At least 35 years old; and
3. A resident within the United States for at least 14 years.
The Texas Legislature is currently in session, which is why there is an absence of information on our website. Additionally, because of the federal MOVE Act (to help military and overseas voters vote), Texas has a challenge of revisiting it primary dates and filing deadlines to accommodate the 45 day deadline for mailing ballots to this group. Therefore, we will likely see some changes in the candidate filing process before the session ends late May of 2011..
We hope that this information answers your questions. If you need additional assistance, please e-mail or contact the elections division toll-free at 1-800-252-8683 (VOTE).
Elections Division Staff
Texas Secretary of State
1-800-252-8683
Elections@sos.state.tx.us
Full contact information for Texas Elections Division personnel can be located here. A Texas state representative, Leo Berman, introduced a bill in the legislature which would amend the state’s election code such that candidates for president and vice president would be required to submit their original birth certificates in order to have their names placed on the ballot. If adopted, HB 295 would take effect on September 1, 2011.
Berman’s represents the 6th District which is detailed here. In regard to Barack Hussein Obama, who has failed to reveal his original, long-form birth certificate as well as other documentation about his history, Berman stated:
This bill is necessary because we have a president whom the American people don’t know whether he was born in Kenya or some other place.” If you are running for president or vice president, you’ve got to show here in Texas that you were born in the United States and the birth certificate is your proof.
A retired Lt. Colonel in the U.S. Army, Berman won re-election in his district in 2010 by garnering 86.86% of the vote. He is originally from New York City.
A follow-up letter was sent by the same citizen to the Texas Elections Office:
2/6/2011
To: Texas Election Division,Texas Secretary of State,
I was hoping that your response letter would answer my question for the qualification of the United States Presidency, however it did only in part.
I do understand the qualifications for the Presidency of Article 2 Section 1 when stated ” at least 35 years of age”.
I do understand the qualifications for the Presidency of Article 2 Section 1 when stated ” A resident within the United States for at least 14 years. “
But when it comes to the qualification of the President in Article 2 Section 1 when stated ” No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President “; Your answer is still not clear and since you are in charge of the Elections in Texas you most certainly understand the qualifications to run for Office within Texas.
The Architect’s of the United States Constitution showed a distinct difference between a ” Citizen ” and a ” natural born Citizen ” that is stipulated in Article 2 Section 1.
To only be a Citizen and become President of the United States you would of had to of been ” alive at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution ” and still alive today. Since all those Citizens at the time of the Adoption of the Constitution are not alive today, now one must be a natural born Citizen.
The 14 Amendment defines ” citizen ” as born or naturalized in the United States. So what is the meaning of Article 2 Section 1 natural born Citizen since a Citizen and a natural born Citizen are not one and the same as you can see in Article 2?
Can a child of two Illegal Aliens that is born in Texas run for the Presidency of the United States since that child is a 14 Amendment citizen?
I might run for The Presidency of The United States of America and I need to know if I qualify. I need to know if I am an Article 2 natural born Citizen as intended by the founding fathers of this Great Country.
Sincerely,
Creg Maroney
The Post & Email will be reporting on any response which Mr. Maroney receives from the Texas Elections Office which might attempt to define the term “natural born Citizen.”
Update, February 8, 2011: The following response was received on February 7, 2011 from the Texas Elections Division:
Mr. Maroney,
The following Section 1401 of Title 8 of the United States Code defines “citizens of the United States at birth.” Please note that our office has no authority to or expertise in interpreting United States law or the Constitution; therefore, we are providing this information simply to guide you further. We recommend speaking to a federal official or legal counsel who is qualified to interpret provisions of the United States Constitution.
Sec. 1401. Nationals and citizens of United States at birth
The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:
(a) a person born in the United States , and subject to the jurisdiction thereof;
(b) a person born in the United States to a member of an Indian, Eskimo, Aleutian , or other aboriginal tribe: Provided, That the granting of citizenship under this subsection shall not in any manner impair or otherwise affect the right of such person to tribal or other property;
(c) a person born outside of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents both of whom are citizens of the United
States and one of whom has had a residence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions, prior to the birth of such
(d) a person born outside of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is a citizen of the United States who has been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year prior to the birth of such person, and the other of whom is a national, but not a citizen of the United States ;
(e) a person born in an outlying possession of the United States of parents one of whom is a citizen of the United States who has been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year at any time prior to the birth of such person;
(f) a person of unknown parentage found in the United States while under the age of five years, until shown, prior to his attaining the age of twenty-one years, not to have been born in the United States;
(g) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years: Provided, That any periods of honorable service in the Armed Forces of the United States, or periods of employment with the United States Government or with an international organization as that term is defined in section 288 of title 22 by such citizen parent, or any periods during which such citizen parent is physically present abroad as the dependent unmarried son or daughter and a member of the household of a person (A) honorably serving with the Armed Forces of the United States , or (B) employed by the United States Government or an international organization as defined in section 288 of title 22, may be included in order to satisfy the physical- presence requirement of this paragraph. This proviso shall be applicable to persons born on or after December 24, 1952, to the same extent as if it had become effective in its present form on that date; and
(h) a person born before noon (Eastern Standard Time) May 24, 1934, outside the limits and jurisdiction of the United States of an alien father and a mother who is a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, had resided in the United States.
Section 1401 of Title 8 of the United States Code may also be found here – http://uscode.house.gov/search/criteria.shtml
Mr. Maroney then sent another inquiry:
From: Creg MaroneySubject: Re: FW: FW: Qualification to run for Office of The Presidency of The United States – Maroney (EHW)
To: “Elizabeth Winn” <EHanshawWinn@sos..state.tx.us>
Date: Tuesday, February 8, 2011, 9:38 AM
To: Texas Election Division, Texas Secretary of State,
Section 1401 of Title 8 of the United States Code defines “citizens of the United States at birth.
My questions are quite simple for those in charge of elections throughout the State of Texas.
Are those citizens defined in Section 1401 of Title 8 United States Code eligible for the Ballot and will be placed on the Ballot in Texas to run for The Presidency and Vice President of The United States?
Are those citizens defined in Section 1401 of Title 8 United States Code eligible for the candidacy on any Ballot in Texas ” except ” for The Presidential and Vice President?
Sincerely,
Creg Maroney
I sent the following email to Texas house e-mail address of Leo Berman – he’s the author of TX HB 295 (the ‘birther’ bill).
“Thank you sir for authoring this bill, but I have a question regarding it.
This bill requires that a candidate provide their ‘long form’ birth certificate to show that they are a ‘natural born Citizen’, yet it doesn’t state what the definition of a ‘natural born Citizen’ is.
At the time the Constitution was written, the writers of the Constitution would have understood it to be that as defined by Vattel in the ‘Law of Nations’ section 212 –
”� 212. Citizens and natives.
The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children; and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent. We shall soon see whether, on their coming to the years of discretion, they may renounce their right, and what they owe to the society in which they were born. I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.”.
So, without explicitly defining the term ‘natural born Citizen’, does this bill really accomplish anything – other than leaving it up to the SOS to determine if the candidate fulfills the requirement?
Will this bill allow for the courts to define the term?
The real issue is that the term ‘natural born Citizen’ is not clearly defined anywhere – at least since the writing of ‘Law of Nations’. What is really needed, is a clear definition of what the state considers the definition of ‘natural born Citizen’ to be.
Thank you for your time.”
I got the following reply the next day (I’m redacting my surname).
“Mr. XXXXXXXX:
I can’t thank you enough for providing the definition of a natural born citizen. It will be very helpful to me.
Sincerely,
Leo Berman”
I can’t say for he’s not just placating me, but he does sound sincere.
It would be interesting to contact the law school at the top universities in each state, and ask for their Constitutional Law Department to provide their definition of “Natural born citizen.”
Good idea! It wouldn’t be too difficult to get the info to organize that.
My fellow Americans, quit dealing with hyphenated americans if you’re concerned about their birth status. Natural born was included in the USC to insure that the citizens loyalties were with this country and no other. I.E. if you’re african-american (you need to go to Africa and then decide), same with you Irish / Italian – americans. I’m 5th generation American and won’t insult my ancestral history by reaching that far to identify myself as anything other than “American”. And if the rest of world hates america … quit trying to emulate us and jump over our borders. If you do … learn what a citizen is and take it back to your home country to improve the miserable lot there that brought you here to the US.
Best damn post on this entire blog/site!
Natural Born = Born of Blood & Soil
That is the BLOOD of both parents who were both American Citizens at the time of the candidates birth and that birth on American SOIL.
As a Kenyan Brit. Barack Hussein Obama Sr. was not under American Law as to the birth citizenship of his new born child. Still being a British subject, and never trying to become an American citizen he fell under his home countries British Nationality Act of 1948 which states that no matter where his children are born and who their mother happens to be they are born British Subjects at birth. No British subject from birth can ever be a Natural Born American Citizen. Just Google “John Jay, George Washington, Natural Born”. Everybody in DC should know this or they are too stupid to hold the office they hold today. Those that state any citizen can become POTUS are simply spinning a lie to save their Communist puppet’s position. Article 2. Section 1. paragraph 5. is in our Constitution to protect America from exactly what happened in 2008. A foreigner took over our Government and is trying hard to destroy our Capitalistic Republic from within. Will “we” let him?
This is a HILARIOUS political parody web site:
http://www.wix.com/demandthetruth2/obamajokescatalog
SO FUNNY!!!!!
> If you are running for president or vice president, you’ve got to show here in Texas that you were born in the United States
That doesn’t sound like TX is supporting the “two citizen parent” definition of NBC…
Excellent article. Since you have opened a dialog with the SOS office, perhaps you can get clarification on Texas’ definition of natural born Citizen?
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Mrs. Rondeau replies: Update coming shortly!
Sharon, I am in Texas. Somehow I missed this story when it came out last week. Is there an update?
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Mrs. Rondeau replies: The information presented is as up-to-date as we have. If the Texas Elections Division responds to the citizen writer again, we will report on it.
The author of article stated at end:
This report on Barack came personally to me from one of them “long before” America knew he existed.
This man a Scientist had Government Security Clearance…..He was a government contractor with an active security clearance who took notes on his trips for debriefings with the Defense Intelligence Agency within the Department of Defense.
He tried to tell people about this no one was interested… they thought he was a kook
He wrote & called many media when Obama started to run for office … Finally on election night some radio talk show host interviewed him. I did not read this until 2009/ebysan
From:
RON PAUL * WAR ROOM
November 20, 2008
The First Time I Heard Of Barack By Tom Fife
November 20, 2008 Gunny G
The First Time I Heard Of Barack
By Tom Fife
11-20-8
During the period of roughly February 1992 to mid 1994, I was making frequent trips to Moscow, Russia, in the process of starting a software development joint-venture company with some people from the Russian scientific community. One of the men in charge on the Russian side was named V. M.; he had a wife named T.M.
V. was a level-headed scientist while his wife was rather deeply committed to the losing Communist cause – a cause she obviously was not abandoning…
This is the Link to Tom Fife story that was posted on Ron Paul * War Room…..
http://www.ronpaulwarroom.com/?p=17590
Nov 20th, 2008
There are also many links on google under Tom Fife…… It may seem farfetched; but, the Communist seemed to have known Barack before he came onto the Political arena in America.
The Author: Gunny G of my above post states that this Report about Barack came personally to him/her “Long Before” America knew he existed!!
If Texas knew and obviously know the requirements to have a Presidential Candidate’s name placed on the ballot then how did Obama’s name get on the ballot in 2008? What is Texas doing about the SOS’s failure to abide by the law?
The bill needs to include
1.) Candidates have to have both parents be citizens on date of birth of child ( candidate, )
2.) Total release to verify all information and to investigate any information the state feels is necessary to verify the candidate. Full Vetting of the candidate.
VERIFY is imperative.
Make sure the candidate never claimed he was a foreign student. Make sure of all political claims like graduation from colleges etc.
This should be occurring in EVERY state ( and I understand at least several are so doing ) but I am very pleased that this is being legislated in Texas! These folks in Texas are becoming SYMBOLIC of patriotism and State Sovereignty. May the momentum increase ever more swiftly!
the constitution has been picked at by our corrupt goverment for a long time.The truth is the constitution that every president,vice president,senator,congressman,judges,@military have made counts when they took their oath.This is fact,and they are now a usuper,traitors,commiting treason against the republic of the united states of america.