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		<title>By: Travis</title>
		<link>http://www.thepostemail.com/2010/04/08/did-hawaii-have-any-records-on-obama-before-2006/comment-page-1/#comment-7771</link>
		<dc:creator>Travis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Apr 2010 23:33:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe, that requester asked for - 

Quote--A copy of the Delayed Birth Certificate of the president of the United States known as Barack Obama 

and then he posted the HHD answer which said that under the law you can&#039;t have it, when twice before they said about other requests We don&#039;t have them. In the post he wrote -

Quote--This was only 1 of 3 request I sent on the 9th and 10th of Oct, the other two request were responded to within 1 day with the following: “The dept has no records responsive to your request” This UIPA request which took 18 days for DOH to respond to must have gone through several hands and minds and obviously a decision was made by someone to attach this form. This is very interesting. SOUNDS LIKE BHO HAS A DELAYED BC ON FILE! 

Yes, that is clear admission they have it because they can&#039;t deny you something they don&#039;t have, and when as they said with his two other requests The dept has no record.

Miss Tickly asked for -

Quote--An electronic copy of the proof offered to establish/verify ‘Date of Birth’ as required, for an amendment to be made to President Obama’s birth certificate. 

Even when it was LEGAL for Miss Tickly to get it Hawaiian Health Department told her she couldn&#039;t have whatever it was Obama gave HHD to change his Date Of Birth or any paperwork relating. There&#039;s no way that is a legal answer by HHD after Obama put up a COLB which means he has no privacy about his Date Of Birth. HHD could of told Miss Tickly they didn&#039;t have paperwork dealing with Obama amending his Date Of Birth but, no, they told her You can&#039;t see it. They are trying to hide it but everybody knows now that is admission Obama changed his Date Of Birth. The day Obama put up that COLB with no reasons on it for changing his Date Of Birth you got a fake in every sense.

If his birth was not accepted in 1961 Obama would not be given a registration number by HHD. Obama&#039;s people got into a snafu about his COLB when it was first put up without a number and then when they had to show a number it is out of sequence with the other numbers we know about. That&#039;s how you can be sure Obama has nothing on record from 1961 at HHD, as P&amp;E says.

Joe, you say Amending one’s birth date would be extremely rare indeed. It&#039;s also extremely rare to have an ILLEGAL ALIEN elected President. You better believe that is what he is, that&#039;s why HHD is covering up for Obama. Holding back documents, telling lies, stomping on the Constitution. Next part of the CHIEF ILLEGAL ALIEN&#039;S plan for America is legalize millions more illegal aliens. It&#039;s real easy when you have friends in high places.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe, that requester asked for &#8211; </p>
<p>Quote&#8211;A copy of the Delayed Birth Certificate of the president of the United States known as Barack Obama </p>
<p>and then he posted the HHD answer which said that under the law you can&#8217;t have it, when twice before they said about other requests We don&#8217;t have them. In the post he wrote -</p>
<p>Quote&#8211;This was only 1 of 3 request I sent on the 9th and 10th of Oct, the other two request were responded to within 1 day with the following: “The dept has no records responsive to your request” This UIPA request which took 18 days for DOH to respond to must have gone through several hands and minds and obviously a decision was made by someone to attach this form. This is very interesting. SOUNDS LIKE BHO HAS A DELAYED BC ON FILE! </p>
<p>Yes, that is clear admission they have it because they can&#8217;t deny you something they don&#8217;t have, and when as they said with his two other requests The dept has no record.</p>
<p>Miss Tickly asked for -</p>
<p>Quote&#8211;An electronic copy of the proof offered to establish/verify ‘Date of Birth’ as required, for an amendment to be made to President Obama’s birth certificate. </p>
<p>Even when it was LEGAL for Miss Tickly to get it Hawaiian Health Department told her she couldn&#8217;t have whatever it was Obama gave HHD to change his Date Of Birth or any paperwork relating. There&#8217;s no way that is a legal answer by HHD after Obama put up a COLB which means he has no privacy about his Date Of Birth. HHD could of told Miss Tickly they didn&#8217;t have paperwork dealing with Obama amending his Date Of Birth but, no, they told her You can&#8217;t see it. They are trying to hide it but everybody knows now that is admission Obama changed his Date Of Birth. The day Obama put up that COLB with no reasons on it for changing his Date Of Birth you got a fake in every sense.</p>
<p>If his birth was not accepted in 1961 Obama would not be given a registration number by HHD. Obama&#8217;s people got into a snafu about his COLB when it was first put up without a number and then when they had to show a number it is out of sequence with the other numbers we know about. That&#8217;s how you can be sure Obama has nothing on record from 1961 at HHD, as P&amp;E says.</p>
<p>Joe, you say Amending one’s birth date would be extremely rare indeed. It&#8217;s also extremely rare to have an ILLEGAL ALIEN elected President. You better believe that is what he is, that&#8217;s why HHD is covering up for Obama. Holding back documents, telling lies, stomping on the Constitution. Next part of the CHIEF ILLEGAL ALIEN&#8217;S plan for America is legalize millions more illegal aliens. It&#8217;s real easy when you have friends in high places.</p>
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		<title>By: Kim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Apr 2010 21:24:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BOMBSHELL!!!! Obama was born in Kenya! The Kenya National Assembly on March 25, 2010 announced this stunning revelation:
http://www.bunge.go.ke/parliament/downloads/tenth_forth_sess/Hansard/RDRAFT25.03P.pdf
Page 31: “If America was living in a situation where they feared ethnicity and did not see itself as a multiparty state or nation, how could a young man born here in Kenya, who is not even a native American, become the President of America? It is because they did away with exclusion.”</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BOMBSHELL!!!! Obama was born in Kenya! The Kenya National Assembly on March 25, 2010 announced this stunning revelation:<br />
<a href="http://www.bunge.go.ke/parliament/downloads/tenth_forth_sess/Hansard/RDRAFT25.03P.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.bunge.go.ke/parliament/downloads/tenth_forth_sess/Hansard/RDRAFT25.03P.pdf</a><br />
Page 31: “If America was living in a situation where they feared ethnicity and did not see itself as a multiparty state or nation, how could a young man born here in Kenya, who is not even a native American, become the President of America? It is because they did away with exclusion.”</p>
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		<title>By: SapphireSunday</title>
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		<dc:creator>SapphireSunday</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Apr 2010 17:39:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You should use the official names of the indices listed at Butterdezillion&#039;s blog to request information for Obama.  And ask for the same information from whatever publication or index preceeded that named index in time.  Before it was named, for example, &quot;VDR-1 Index to Delayed Certificates of Birth&quot;.  

btw, ask for Stephan Dunham, too, with an &quot;a&quot;. 

Have you tried FOIA requests to get copies of FBI files for his purported parents and grandparents?  Also for Frank Marshall Davis and wife?  All deceased.  All should be available to the public.

It&#039;s interesting that instead of simply providing you with the items you asked for, they questioned the years you asked for.  A disinterested public servant would simply do his/her duty, not try to second guess the reason why you asked for those particular years.  

Motivations should not matter to an UNBIASED public servant, which ALL public servants ought to be, because they work for the PEOPLE--all of the people, no matter the requester&#039;s politics.  

Questioning the substance of your request instead of simply filling it is a HUGE RED FLAG.  The use to which you may put the information is, or should be, completely irrelevant to the DoH.  Their job is merely to follow the law.  Not to protect the subject from whatever fallout may occur as a result of the release of the information.  

Imagine a DoH covering for, say, Richard Nixon, because perhaps some TRUTHFUL information in their files might damage him politically.  It&#039;s so corrupt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You should use the official names of the indices listed at Butterdezillion&#8217;s blog to request information for Obama.  And ask for the same information from whatever publication or index preceeded that named index in time.  Before it was named, for example, &#8220;VDR-1 Index to Delayed Certificates of Birth&#8221;.  </p>
<p>btw, ask for Stephan Dunham, too, with an &#8220;a&#8221;. </p>
<p>Have you tried FOIA requests to get copies of FBI files for his purported parents and grandparents?  Also for Frank Marshall Davis and wife?  All deceased.  All should be available to the public.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s interesting that instead of simply providing you with the items you asked for, they questioned the years you asked for.  A disinterested public servant would simply do his/her duty, not try to second guess the reason why you asked for those particular years.  </p>
<p>Motivations should not matter to an UNBIASED public servant, which ALL public servants ought to be, because they work for the PEOPLE&#8211;all of the people, no matter the requester&#8217;s politics.  </p>
<p>Questioning the substance of your request instead of simply filling it is a HUGE RED FLAG.  The use to which you may put the information is, or should be, completely irrelevant to the DoH.  Their job is merely to follow the law.  Not to protect the subject from whatever fallout may occur as a result of the release of the information.  </p>
<p>Imagine a DoH covering for, say, Richard Nixon, because perhaps some TRUTHFUL information in their files might damage him politically.  It&#8217;s so corrupt.</p>
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		<title>By: just-saying</title>
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		<dc:creator>just-saying</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Apr 2010 10:00:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps questioning Obama&#039;s birth year is the whole answer:  If Obama was born in Hawaii before it became a state, he would not be eligible because he would not have been born in the United States, but only in a territory of the U.S.  (August 21, 1959)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps questioning Obama&#8217;s birth year is the whole answer:  If Obama was born in Hawaii before it became a state, he would not be eligible because he would not have been born in the United States, but only in a territory of the U.S.  (August 21, 1959)<br />
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Apr 2010 08:02:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Travis,
Wow, Thank you for that.  Does anybody have the post of the guy with the delayed bc and I gotta ask, how does Ms Tickly know he amended his birth date?  I think amending one&#039;s birth date would be extremely rare indeed.
j</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Travis,<br />
Wow, Thank you for that.  Does anybody have the post of the guy with the delayed bc and I gotta ask, how does Ms Tickly know he amended his birth date?  I think amending one&#8217;s birth date would be extremely rare indeed.<br />
j</p>
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		<title>By: Travis</title>
		<link>http://www.thepostemail.com/2010/04/08/did-hawaii-have-any-records-on-obama-before-2006/comment-page-1/#comment-7684</link>
		<dc:creator>Travis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Apr 2010 05:39:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>G.Marie, Butterdezillion says she thinks the ads were faked this way -

Quote--The Advertiser’s archives were open to the public at least as late as 2004. When Michael Rivero asked the Advertiser for the birth announcement they didn’t send him to the Hawaii State Library; they sent him the announcements for both the Advertiser and Star-Bulletin (they have all the archives for both papers). My guess is that they forged the announcement they wanted to get out, gave a copy to Rivero and then gave a copy to the Hawaii State Library. Then when Starfelt contacted them they told her that their archives aren’t open to the public and sent her to the Hawaii State Library, from which she was given the forged copy that the Advertiser had sent her. IOW there is one source for both the Advertiser and Star-Bulletin images that are on the web: the Advertiser office - who alone has the master microfilm copies that are pristine and could be forged. And which also most probably has a microfilm camera with which they could make microfilm “patches” to splice into other microfilm reels - or could actually make a brand new reel and simply replace it for what was in the libraries.

That was at  

http://209.157.64.201/focus/f-bloggers/2040486/posts?page=8963#8963

SapphireSunday, Hospitals? Butterdezillion wrote in her blog March 13, 2010 -

Quote--As of 1976 the DOH was authorized to disclose index information to the NEWSPAPERS (including, with the parents’ permission, parents’ address). The DOH was to compile a daily index list of births (index data which until recently also was REQUIRED to include the date of birth and the certificate number) and have the list available for public viewing at the DOH office and/or send a copy of the list to the NEWSPAPERS. That began in 1976 with daily lists that were sent to the NEWSPAPERS. The retention schedule for those lists has changed a couple times but the first time any of those lists is mentioned or transferred to the comptroller for disposal was in 1981. Those lists were not authorized and did not exist prior to 1976.

That was at  

http://butterdezillion.wordpress.com/2010/03/11/joesting-wont-correct-terri-k/

From the 1976 HHD Public Health Regulations for Vital Records Chapter 8b Section 2.2 -

Quote--List of Events  The Director shall make available for public information current lists of vital statistics events---blah blah blah---by providing the same to the local NEWSPAPERS on request.

So HHD did not have authorization before the 1976 regulations for this and didn&#039;t do it. Now unless you find some authorization from before August 1961 saying different you got to accept there was no HHD list with Obama&#039;s registration sent over to the NEWSPAPERS to make up the ads. IF Obama&#039;s ad is genuine it was put there by his family. 

You CAN&#039;T use the ad to say that Obama was on some HHD list. But Obama&#039;s people know there&#039;s nobody around from the NEWSPAPERS in 1961 to call them on it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>G.Marie, Butterdezillion says she thinks the ads were faked this way -</p>
<p>Quote&#8211;The Advertiser’s archives were open to the public at least as late as 2004. When Michael Rivero asked the Advertiser for the birth announcement they didn’t send him to the Hawaii State Library; they sent him the announcements for both the Advertiser and Star-Bulletin (they have all the archives for both papers). My guess is that they forged the announcement they wanted to get out, gave a copy to Rivero and then gave a copy to the Hawaii State Library. Then when Starfelt contacted them they told her that their archives aren’t open to the public and sent her to the Hawaii State Library, from which she was given the forged copy that the Advertiser had sent her. IOW there is one source for both the Advertiser and Star-Bulletin images that are on the web: the Advertiser office &#8211; who alone has the master microfilm copies that are pristine and could be forged. And which also most probably has a microfilm camera with which they could make microfilm “patches” to splice into other microfilm reels &#8211; or could actually make a brand new reel and simply replace it for what was in the libraries.</p>
<p>That was at  </p>
<p><a href="http://209.157.64.201/focus/f-bloggers/2040486/posts?page=8963#8963" rel="nofollow">http://209.157.64.201/focus/f-bloggers/2040486/posts?page=8963#8963</a></p>
<p>SapphireSunday, Hospitals? Butterdezillion wrote in her blog March 13, 2010 -</p>
<p>Quote&#8211;As of 1976 the DOH was authorized to disclose index information to the NEWSPAPERS (including, with the parents’ permission, parents’ address). The DOH was to compile a daily index list of births (index data which until recently also was REQUIRED to include the date of birth and the certificate number) and have the list available for public viewing at the DOH office and/or send a copy of the list to the NEWSPAPERS. That began in 1976 with daily lists that were sent to the NEWSPAPERS. The retention schedule for those lists has changed a couple times but the first time any of those lists is mentioned or transferred to the comptroller for disposal was in 1981. Those lists were not authorized and did not exist prior to 1976.</p>
<p>That was at  </p>
<p><a href="http://butterdezillion.wordpress.com/2010/03/11/joesting-wont-correct-terri-k/" rel="nofollow">http://butterdezillion.wordpress.com/2010/03/11/joesting-wont-correct-terri-k/</a></p>
<p>From the 1976 HHD Public Health Regulations for Vital Records Chapter 8b Section 2.2 -</p>
<p>Quote&#8211;List of Events  The Director shall make available for public information current lists of vital statistics events&#8212;blah blah blah&#8212;by providing the same to the local NEWSPAPERS on request.</p>
<p>So HHD did not have authorization before the 1976 regulations for this and didn&#8217;t do it. Now unless you find some authorization from before August 1961 saying different you got to accept there was no HHD list with Obama&#8217;s registration sent over to the NEWSPAPERS to make up the ads. IF Obama&#8217;s ad is genuine it was put there by his family. </p>
<p>You CAN&#8217;T use the ad to say that Obama was on some HHD list. But Obama&#8217;s people know there&#8217;s nobody around from the NEWSPAPERS in 1961 to call them on it.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob1943</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob1943</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Apr 2010 03:29:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quote, &quot;I remember they had some complaint about not being allowed on an airplane back to USA from Africa account
her pregnant condition.&quot;

That sounds like it could have come from Don Fredrick&#039;s book, The Obama Timeline.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quote, &#8220;I remember they had some complaint about not being allowed on an airplane back to USA from Africa account<br />
her pregnant condition.&#8221;</p>
<p>That sounds like it could have come from Don Fredrick&#8217;s book, The Obama Timeline.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: G.Marie</title>
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		<dc:creator>G.Marie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Apr 2010 03:28:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It.Did.Not. automatically result in the placement in the other.  It may have been possible, but in that time frame, it did not automatically occur.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It.Did.Not. automatically result in the placement in the other.  It may have been possible, but in that time frame, it did not automatically occur.</p>
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		<title>By: SapphireSunday</title>
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		<dc:creator>SapphireSunday</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Apr 2010 22:16:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If he changed his date of birth, I suspect it&#039;s because he was really born in early 1961, perhaps February.  If so, this might explain why Stanley Ann left college in Hawaii so early.  She left in January, instead of finishing out the school year until  May.  And it would conform with reports that she wasn&#039;t pregnant in July, 1961.  And it would make more sense, when you remember that she was registered at college and IN Washington state only weeks after her child&#039;s supposed birth.  

Remember the woman who babysat for Obama in Washington, while Stanley Ann went to school?  She wrote about it in a blog article, which was published before this even became an issue.  She said that he was a baby and that her own daughter was about 18 months old, a toddler, at the time.  But the timeframe for when her daughter was born made that impossible, unless he really wasn&#039;t born in August 1961.  But it&#039;s more plausible if he were born in Feb. 1961.  I would think that a babysitter would not be mistaken about the age of the children she cared for, especially when one was her own child and the other was an infant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If he changed his date of birth, I suspect it&#8217;s because he was really born in early 1961, perhaps February.  If so, this might explain why Stanley Ann left college in Hawaii so early.  She left in January, instead of finishing out the school year until  May.  And it would conform with reports that she wasn&#8217;t pregnant in July, 1961.  And it would make more sense, when you remember that she was registered at college and IN Washington state only weeks after her child&#8217;s supposed birth.  </p>
<p>Remember the woman who babysat for Obama in Washington, while Stanley Ann went to school?  She wrote about it in a blog article, which was published before this even became an issue.  She said that he was a baby and that her own daughter was about 18 months old, a toddler, at the time.  But the timeframe for when her daughter was born made that impossible, unless he really wasn&#8217;t born in August 1961.  But it&#8217;s more plausible if he were born in Feb. 1961.  I would think that a babysitter would not be mistaken about the age of the children she cared for, especially when one was her own child and the other was an infant.</p>
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		<title>By: SapphireSunday</title>
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		<dc:creator>SapphireSunday</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Apr 2010 21:32:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Travis, can you point us to how you know that lists of births started being sent to hospitals in 1976?  I don&#039;t doubt your word; this is just the first time that I&#039;ve seen that information and would like to verify it.  Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Travis, can you point us to how you know that lists of births started being sent to hospitals in 1976?  I don&#8217;t doubt your word; this is just the first time that I&#8217;ve seen that information and would like to verify it.  Thanks.</p>
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