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		<title>By: ShowMeTheBC</title>
		<link>http://www.thepostemail.com/2009/12/26/petition/comment-page-1/#comment-4202</link>
		<dc:creator>ShowMeTheBC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Dec 2009 11:27:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can&#039;t wait to sign whatever you come up with. Looks good so far!

Great site as well! I have a feeling you guys are gonna have a nice run.</description>
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<p>Great site as well! I have a feeling you guys are gonna have a nice run.</p>
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		<title>By: John Charlton</title>
		<link>http://www.thepostemail.com/2009/12/26/petition/comment-page-1/#comment-4200</link>
		<dc:creator>John Charlton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Dec 2009 05:46:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Texoma,

You are correct in noticing the subtlety of the petition: it was crafted for a win-win situation; to checkmake the entire State government.  Even if they deny it, egg will be on their face.  And such a denial could be used one day to prosecute the culpable for conspiracy to overthrow the Republic, if infact it was not the case that both parents were U.S. citizens and the child, Barack Jr., was born on U.S. soil.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Texoma,</p>
<p>You are correct in noticing the subtlety of the petition: it was crafted for a win-win situation; to checkmake the entire State government.  Even if they deny it, egg will be on their face.  And such a denial could be used one day to prosecute the culpable for conspiracy to overthrow the Republic, if infact it was not the case that both parents were U.S. citizens and the child, Barack Jr., was born on U.S. soil.</p>
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		<title>By: Ladysforest</title>
		<link>http://www.thepostemail.com/2009/12/26/petition/comment-page-1/#comment-4196</link>
		<dc:creator>Ladysforest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Dec 2009 03:51:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi John,
I&#039;m behind your effort 100%.  I&#039;ll post it on my blog and my forum.  Might I suggest that you provide a PO box for those that need to mail in a payment/contribution?  Not as a personal check but rather a MONEY ORDER instead.  This would pose no banking problems for you and are very inexpensive if the sender were to purchase at the bank they do business with or at the US Post Office.

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&lt;strong&gt;Mr. Charlton says:&lt;/strong&gt; I commiserate with those who do not have credit cards to be able to send an electronic payment nor a paypal account. I am in the same boat myself. But I just don&#039;t have the volunteer staff to key in all the data manually.  The Post &amp; Email is still working on incorporating, but as it is no one gets a salary for anything, yet.

If I put out a POB, and 1000 checks arrived, how would The Post &amp; Email fulfil the obligation it took upon itself to send out petitions in their name?

My writers and I would have to stop everything and mail your checks in boxes to each other to do the work to key them all in.  That is neither secure, nor does it serve the readers who want to see new articles; nor those who have made electronic payments, whose petitions need to be processed and mailed out. And I don&#039;t want to add to the cost of everyone to process checks coming from a minority.

I am willing, therefore, but unable to accept checks of any kind at this time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi John,<br />
I&#8217;m behind your effort 100%.  I&#8217;ll post it on my blog and my forum.  Might I suggest that you provide a PO box for those that need to mail in a payment/contribution?  Not as a personal check but rather a MONEY ORDER instead.  This would pose no banking problems for you and are very inexpensive if the sender were to purchase at the bank they do business with or at the US Post Office.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-</p>
<p><strong>Mr. Charlton says:</strong> I commiserate with those who do not have credit cards to be able to send an electronic payment nor a paypal account. I am in the same boat myself. But I just don&#8217;t have the volunteer staff to key in all the data manually.  The Post &#038; Email is still working on incorporating, but as it is no one gets a salary for anything, yet.</p>
<p>If I put out a POB, and 1000 checks arrived, how would The Post &#038; Email fulfil the obligation it took upon itself to send out petitions in their name?</p>
<p>My writers and I would have to stop everything and mail your checks in boxes to each other to do the work to key them all in.  That is neither secure, nor does it serve the readers who want to see new articles; nor those who have made electronic payments, whose petitions need to be processed and mailed out. And I don&#8217;t want to add to the cost of everyone to process checks coming from a minority.</p>
<p>I am willing, therefore, but unable to accept checks of any kind at this time.</p>
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		<title>By: Texoma Ed</title>
		<link>http://www.thepostemail.com/2009/12/26/petition/comment-page-1/#comment-4186</link>
		<dc:creator>Texoma Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Dec 2009 21:52:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I disagree about leaving out the four US Supreme Court decisions, each of which defined natural born citizen as someone born in the country to citizen parents.  If Hawaii is successful in defeating the efforts to reveal Obama&#039;s vital records, which may show a birthplace outside of the US, then they would still need to explain and back up their statement that Obama is a natural born citizen, given that Obama has admitted on his website (see quote below) that his father was not a US citizen.

&quot;When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire.  As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948.  That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.&quot;

They would have to answer this question:  How can the status at birth of a US natural born citizen be &quot;governed&quot; by the laws of Great Britain?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I disagree about leaving out the four US Supreme Court decisions, each of which defined natural born citizen as someone born in the country to citizen parents.  If Hawaii is successful in defeating the efforts to reveal Obama&#8217;s vital records, which may show a birthplace outside of the US, then they would still need to explain and back up their statement that Obama is a natural born citizen, given that Obama has admitted on his website (see quote below) that his father was not a US citizen.</p>
<p>&#8220;When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire.  As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948.  That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.&#8221;</p>
<p>They would have to answer this question:  How can the status at birth of a US natural born citizen be &#8220;governed&#8221; by the laws of Great Britain?</p>
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		<title>By: MinutemanCDC_SC</title>
		<link>http://www.thepostemail.com/2009/12/26/petition/comment-page-1/#comment-4185</link>
		<dc:creator>MinutemanCDC_SC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Dec 2009 20:56:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please forgive me for naysaying, but this information will not be released.  If push comes to shove, the demanded information will be mysteriously cauterized from State of Hawaii records, just as the passport file was cauterized.
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2009/04/key-witness-in-presidential-passport-tampering-case-murdered.html
(Incidentally, &quot;Lt.&quot; was Quarles Harris&#039; first name; he was not a lieutenant.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please forgive me for naysaying, but this information will not be released.  If push comes to shove, the demanded information will be mysteriously cauterized from State of Hawaii records, just as the passport file was cauterized.<br />
<a href="http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2009/04/key-witness-in-presidential-passport-tampering-case-murdered.html" rel="nofollow">http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2009/04/key-witness-in-presidential-passport-tampering-case-murdered.html</a><br />
(Incidentally, &#8220;Lt.&#8221; was Quarles Harris&#8217; first name; he was not a lieutenant.)</p>
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		<title>By: Bert Lawrence</title>
		<link>http://www.thepostemail.com/2009/12/26/petition/comment-page-1/#comment-4181</link>
		<dc:creator>Bert Lawrence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Dec 2009 16:49:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John.  I am encouraged and delighted that you are directing this movement.  However, I have a problem:  I have no credit card and will need to send a check when I am desiring to be a party to the letter that will be sent.
  Please give out an address so I and others who have this same porblem can be part of it.
  Thank you,
  Bert Lawrence

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&lt;strong&gt;Mr. Charlton replies:&lt;/strong&gt; Bert the insecurity of checks, and the fact that the letters of petition will be printed by computers, means that if we accepted checks, we would have to charge a lot more for those submitting petitions and paying by check, to hire someone to key in their name and address, and then delay their sending, while risks paying &quot;bounced check&quot; fees at the bank ($25 per check); all of which we could do, but not without larger financial resources and a larger volunteer staff, since we are scattered round the country, and the one volunteer who does the banking is already overwhelmed with work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John.  I am encouraged and delighted that you are directing this movement.  However, I have a problem:  I have no credit card and will need to send a check when I am desiring to be a party to the letter that will be sent.<br />
  Please give out an address so I and others who have this same porblem can be part of it.<br />
  Thank you,<br />
  Bert Lawrence</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;</p>
<p><strong>Mr. Charlton replies:</strong> Bert the insecurity of checks, and the fact that the letters of petition will be printed by computers, means that if we accepted checks, we would have to charge a lot more for those submitting petitions and paying by check, to hire someone to key in their name and address, and then delay their sending, while risks paying &#8220;bounced check&#8221; fees at the bank ($25 per check); all of which we could do, but not without larger financial resources and a larger volunteer staff, since we are scattered round the country, and the one volunteer who does the banking is already overwhelmed with work.</p>
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		<title>By: ksdb</title>
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		<dc:creator>ksdb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Dec 2009 10:27:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This petition is way too long. If I were a public official in Hawaii, I doubt that I would bother to read it. A simpler petition might inspire more cooperation. I&#039;d leave out citations of Supreme Court rulings and the text of the statements made by Dr. Fukino. Maybe something like:

&quot;This letter is being sent to you in the interest of open and transparent government. Your state&#039;s Uniform Information Practices Act says the public&#039;s right to know outweighs an individual&#039;s privacy interests. We understand your Department of Health holds records pertaining to the birth and citizenship of the president of the United States. He is the most public figure in the world and does nto have the same legal right to privacy as regular citizens. 

You are probably well aware of the number of requests being made on a regular basis to your Department of Health to release the president&#039;s vital records. There is current and historical interest in releasing these records to the public for full disclosure. Release of these records would answer the many questions being asked by the public and mitigate the demand and burden put upon your Department of Health. Further, there is concern that American citizens are being denied basic access to information held by the health department in direct violation of Hawaii&#039;s own disclosure laws and practices. The state of Hawaii should respect the public&#039;s right to know and not hide information or attempt to mislead the public. 

Contacts have been made to the Office of Information Practices to get help in releasing information. This has been somewhat successful, but it appears the Department of Health is intentionally ignoring some of this office&#039;s directives, apparently to hide information, but for no legitimate reason. 

As a public servant, we request your help in unlocking access to all vital records pertaining to the president, who himself, has pledged transparency in government. These vital records are the most basic documents for proving birth and citizenship.&quot;

If you wanted to cite a couple of the UIPA rules and demonstrate how they are being ignored, that would be okay, but keep it short. They don&#039;t need definitions of natural born citizen or other extraneous narrative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This petition is way too long. If I were a public official in Hawaii, I doubt that I would bother to read it. A simpler petition might inspire more cooperation. I&#8217;d leave out citations of Supreme Court rulings and the text of the statements made by Dr. Fukino. Maybe something like:</p>
<p>&#8220;This letter is being sent to you in the interest of open and transparent government. Your state&#8217;s Uniform Information Practices Act says the public&#8217;s right to know outweighs an individual&#8217;s privacy interests. We understand your Department of Health holds records pertaining to the birth and citizenship of the president of the United States. He is the most public figure in the world and does nto have the same legal right to privacy as regular citizens. </p>
<p>You are probably well aware of the number of requests being made on a regular basis to your Department of Health to release the president&#8217;s vital records. There is current and historical interest in releasing these records to the public for full disclosure. Release of these records would answer the many questions being asked by the public and mitigate the demand and burden put upon your Department of Health. Further, there is concern that American citizens are being denied basic access to information held by the health department in direct violation of Hawaii&#8217;s own disclosure laws and practices. The state of Hawaii should respect the public&#8217;s right to know and not hide information or attempt to mislead the public. </p>
<p>Contacts have been made to the Office of Information Practices to get help in releasing information. This has been somewhat successful, but it appears the Department of Health is intentionally ignoring some of this office&#8217;s directives, apparently to hide information, but for no legitimate reason. </p>
<p>As a public servant, we request your help in unlocking access to all vital records pertaining to the president, who himself, has pledged transparency in government. These vital records are the most basic documents for proving birth and citizenship.&#8221;</p>
<p>If you wanted to cite a couple of the UIPA rules and demonstrate how they are being ignored, that would be okay, but keep it short. They don&#8217;t need definitions of natural born citizen or other extraneous narrative.</p>
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		<title>By: MinutemanCDC_SC</title>
		<link>http://www.thepostemail.com/2009/12/26/petition/comment-page-1/#comment-4173</link>
		<dc:creator>MinutemanCDC_SC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Dec 2009 05:54:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My great hope is for Divine intervention.

But until that happens, Mr. Obama probably considers the greatest threat to his usurpation to be the rallying of the U.S. armed forces to support and defend the Constitution of the United States.

I would prefer to send such a petition to the Joint Chiefs of Staff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My great hope is for Divine intervention.</p>
<p>But until that happens, Mr. Obama probably considers the greatest threat to his usurpation to be the rallying of the U.S. armed forces to support and defend the Constitution of the United States.</p>
<p>I would prefer to send such a petition to the Joint Chiefs of Staff.</p>
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		<title>By: MinutemanCDC_SC</title>
		<link>http://www.thepostemail.com/2009/12/26/petition/comment-page-1/#comment-4171</link>
		<dc:creator>MinutemanCDC_SC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Dec 2009 05:47:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We have the truth; Mr. Obama has (limited) power.

Usually, might overrules right, unless and until greater might rallies to the banner of the truth and the right:
Moses vs. Pharaoh,
David vs. Goliath and the Philistines, 
the Maccabees vs. the Seleucids,
the Habsburg army vs. the Ottoman Empire,
Great Britain, the U.S., and the Allies vs. the Third Reich,
Coalition forces led by the U.S. vs. Saddam Hussein and the Baathists of Iraq.

But there are some notable exceptions:
Mahatma Gandhi in India,
Dr. Martin Luther King in the U.S.,
Lech Walesa in Poland,
Desmond Tutu in South Africa.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have the truth; Mr. Obama has (limited) power.</p>
<p>Usually, might overrules right, unless and until greater might rallies to the banner of the truth and the right:<br />
Moses vs. Pharaoh,<br />
David vs. Goliath and the Philistines,<br />
the Maccabees vs. the Seleucids,<br />
the Habsburg army vs. the Ottoman Empire,<br />
Great Britain, the U.S., and the Allies vs. the Third Reich,<br />
Coalition forces led by the U.S. vs. Saddam Hussein and the Baathists of Iraq.</p>
<p>But there are some notable exceptions:<br />
Mahatma Gandhi in India,<br />
Dr. Martin Luther King in the U.S.,<br />
Lech Walesa in Poland,<br />
Desmond Tutu in South Africa.</p>
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		<title>By: Texoma Ed</title>
		<link>http://www.thepostemail.com/2009/12/26/petition/comment-page-1/#comment-4170</link>
		<dc:creator>Texoma Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Dec 2009 05:43:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A very well-written petition, and I will be sure to participte and spread the word on other sites that I blog on.

Also, a very good reply to Ann.  However, I believe that even if Obama was born in Hawaii and it turns out that his real parents were US citizens (and a such he really was a natural born citizen at birth), that he still would not meet the intent of the Founding Fathers.  

Requiring that presidents be natural born citizens was a means to an end, and that end was to have presidents who had no foreign entanglements and whose allegiance was 100% to the US.  This end is evidenced by the 14-year residency requirement in Article II Section 1 Cause 5.  It was not enough that presidents be natural born citizens, for the Founding Fathers understood that foreign influence comes not only from birthplace and birthparents, but also from having lived in foreign lands -- and so intent of the 14-year residency requirement was to cleanse (so to speak) a natural born citizen president of foreign influence.

So this is why Obama, even if found to be a natural born citizen, does not pass the Constitutional intent of the Founding Fathers.  We cannot change history.  Obama&#039;s history is that of a dual citizen since birth, and with that history came the foreign claim upon his birth (from Britain and Kenya) and foreign influence that the Founding Fathers did not want in presidents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A very well-written petition, and I will be sure to participte and spread the word on other sites that I blog on.</p>
<p>Also, a very good reply to Ann.  However, I believe that even if Obama was born in Hawaii and it turns out that his real parents were US citizens (and a such he really was a natural born citizen at birth), that he still would not meet the intent of the Founding Fathers.  </p>
<p>Requiring that presidents be natural born citizens was a means to an end, and that end was to have presidents who had no foreign entanglements and whose allegiance was 100% to the US.  This end is evidenced by the 14-year residency requirement in Article II Section 1 Cause 5.  It was not enough that presidents be natural born citizens, for the Founding Fathers understood that foreign influence comes not only from birthplace and birthparents, but also from having lived in foreign lands &#8212; and so intent of the 14-year residency requirement was to cleanse (so to speak) a natural born citizen president of foreign influence.</p>
<p>So this is why Obama, even if found to be a natural born citizen, does not pass the Constitutional intent of the Founding Fathers.  We cannot change history.  Obama&#8217;s history is that of a dual citizen since birth, and with that history came the foreign claim upon his birth (from Britain and Kenya) and foreign influence that the Founding Fathers did not want in presidents.</p>
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