Comments on: Carter sets Hearing in Barnett vs. Obama http://www.thepostemail.com/2009/12/14/carter-sets-hearing-in-barnett-vs-obama/ News Sat, 11 Feb 2012 03:22:18 +0000 hourly 1 By: 2discern http://www.thepostemail.com/2009/12/14/carter-sets-hearing-in-barnett-vs-obama/comment-page-1/#comment-3921 2discern Thu, 17 Dec 2009 20:26:56 +0000 http://www.thepostemail.com/?p=4210#comment-3921 Nicely done, Toni. It is paramount that leadership whether in business, government, education, etc. demonstrate visible integrity. When character (who you are when nobody is looking) trumps reputation (how you appear) the confidence from constituency is stable and supportive. The public lies that are now common place in nearly every Obama speech begs, yea even screams for accountability. And yet, none is forthcoming. Not only from the LameStream Media, but from both house of Congress. Greedy self grabbing (for power, money, control) is not only the norm in politics but servanthood (serving others in office) is despised. I write and fax my Senators constantly. I pray for our country.A genuine heart change is what is needed in DC throughout our leadership. That comes from God above. Nicely done, Toni. It is paramount that leadership whether in business, government, education, etc. demonstrate visible integrity. When character (who you are when nobody is looking) trumps reputation (how you appear) the confidence from constituency is stable and supportive. The public lies that are now common place in nearly every Obama speech begs, yea even screams for accountability. And yet, none is forthcoming. Not only from the LameStream Media, but from both house of Congress. Greedy self grabbing (for power, money, control) is not only the norm in politics but servanthood (serving others in office) is despised.

I write and fax my Senators constantly. I pray for our country.A genuine heart change is what is needed in DC throughout our leadership. That comes from God above.

]]> By: Toni K http://www.thepostemail.com/2009/12/14/carter-sets-hearing-in-barnett-vs-obama/comment-page-1/#comment-3873 Toni K Wed, 16 Dec 2009 03:35:01 +0000 http://www.thepostemail.com/?p=4210#comment-3873 Thanks tminu, I posted it there as well, and it was accepted for publication. I hadn't thought of that. Thanks tminu,

I posted it there as well, and it was accepted for publication. I hadn’t thought of that.

]]> By: tminu http://www.thepostemail.com/2009/12/14/carter-sets-hearing-in-barnett-vs-obama/comment-page-1/#comment-3852 tminu Tue, 15 Dec 2009 09:12:35 +0000 http://www.thepostemail.com/?p=4210#comment-3852 Excellent post Toni May I suggest you bring this to the attention of Apuzzo http://puzo1.blogspot.com/ Excellent post Toni
May I suggest you bring this to the attention of Apuzzo
http://puzo1.blogspot.com/

]]> By: Toni K http://www.thepostemail.com/2009/12/14/carter-sets-hearing-in-barnett-vs-obama/comment-page-1/#comment-3843 Toni K Mon, 14 Dec 2009 14:49:15 +0000 http://www.thepostemail.com/?p=4210#comment-3843 I am just an ordinary citizen in America, and not one who has had the benefit of exceptional training or extensive education; until the most recent two years, the extent of my formal education was the GED I obtained after dropping out of a public school having completed only the ninth grade. As such, I make no claim to possessing the wisdom I expect to see made manifest by those who hold positions that require levels of moral and judicial interpretation far beyond the reach of my limited intellectual base of reasoning. Still, for the love of my country and concern for my children and grandchildren's futures, I struggle to grasp the full scope of the consequences of these proceedings, and the ramifications of the courts' persistent disregard (?), denial (?), and/or failure to define or otherwise address (?) the interpretation of the language that our founding fathers used to codify the laws of our Constitution. In my struggle, I have seen citations pointing to what I imagine must be other cases that are thought to be in some way or another relevant to this present situation, so I, in my ignorance and naiveté, thought it might be interesting to see if I could learn to do that myself. Wow (!) I have gained a whole new respect for lawyers, judges and anyone else whose responsibility or privilege, as the case may be, it is to wade through the masses of volumes within which those records are contained. My humble thanks to all of you! Still, I want to share something I found online yesterday as I was exploring. It is from a memorandum that was presented in a case between David R. Myrland v. United States Department of Justice and others in 2005: “The need to use the Court’s supervisory powers to suppress evidence obtained through governmental misconduct was perhaps best expressed by Mr. Justice Brandeis in his famous dissenting opinion in Olmstead v. United States, 277 U.S. 438, 471-485 (1928):” Decency, security and liberty alike demand that government officials shall be subjected to the same rules of conduct that are commands to the citizen. In a government of laws, existence of the government will be imperiled if it fails to observe the law scrupulously. Our Government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the Government becomes a lawbreaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. To declare that, in the administration of the criminal law, the end justifies the means -- to declare that the Government may commit crimes in order to secure the conviction of a private criminal – would bring terrible retribution. Against that pernicious doctrine this Court should resolutely set its face. http://www.jurisinformatics.com/RICO/docs/COMPLAINT/TAB5_MEMO.pdf. Page 49, lines 4-13. Now, I don’t know whether or not the above quoted material is applicable in this case in the legal sense or not, but it sure spoke to me about the dangers we could face if we fail to adequately address issues like this that are not only so critical to our current national security, but so vital to the preservation of our very way of life; we can only hope to keep the freedoms we enjoy if we have the courage, compulsion, and conviction to preserve what so many gave their lives to provide for us. To that end also, this court should also “resolutely set its face”, and do that which it is uniquely qualified to do, interpret the language of the law. I am just an ordinary citizen in America, and not one who has had the benefit of exceptional training or extensive education; until the most recent two years, the extent of my formal education was the GED I obtained after dropping out of a public school having completed only the ninth grade. As such, I make no claim to possessing the wisdom I expect to see made manifest by those who hold positions that require levels of moral and judicial interpretation far beyond the reach of my limited intellectual base of reasoning. Still, for the love of my country and concern for my children and grandchildren’s futures, I struggle to grasp the full scope of the consequences of these proceedings, and the ramifications of the courts’ persistent disregard (?), denial (?), and/or failure to define or otherwise address (?) the interpretation of the language that our founding fathers used to codify the laws of our Constitution.

In my struggle, I have seen citations pointing to what I imagine must be other cases that are thought to be in some way or another relevant to this present situation, so I, in my ignorance and naiveté, thought it might be interesting to see if I could learn to do that myself. Wow (!) I have gained a whole new respect for lawyers, judges and anyone else whose responsibility or privilege, as the case may be, it is to wade through the masses of volumes within which those records are contained. My humble thanks to all of you!

Still, I want to share something I found online yesterday as I was exploring. It is from a memorandum that was presented in a case between David R. Myrland v. United States Department of Justice and others in 2005:

“The need to use the Court’s supervisory powers to suppress evidence obtained through governmental misconduct was perhaps best expressed by Mr. Justice Brandeis in his famous dissenting opinion in Olmstead v. United States, 277 U.S. 438, 471-485 (1928):”

Decency, security and liberty alike demand that government officials shall be subjected to the same rules of conduct that are commands to the citizen. In a government of laws, existence of the government will be imperiled if it fails to observe the law scrupulously. Our Government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the Government becomes a lawbreaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. To declare that, in the administration of the criminal law, the end justifies the means — to declare that the Government may commit crimes in order to secure the conviction of a private criminal – would bring terrible retribution. Against that pernicious doctrine this Court should resolutely set its face.

http://www.jurisinformatics.com/RICO/docs/COMPLAINT/TAB5_MEMO.pdf. Page 49, lines 4-13.

Now, I don’t know whether or not the above quoted material is applicable in this case in the legal sense or not, but it sure spoke to me about the dangers we could face if we fail to adequately address issues like this that are not only so critical to our current national security, but so vital to the preservation of our very way of life; we can only hope to keep the freedoms we enjoy if we have the courage, compulsion, and conviction to preserve what so many gave their lives to provide for us. To that end also, this court should also “resolutely set its face”, and do that which it is uniquely qualified to do, interpret the language of the law.

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