The Stets of Hawaii in an issued e-mil has established the fact that if the COLB were authentic, it would have “State of Hawaii” and “Department of Health” on the embossed SEAL

Here is the e-mail.

http://nobarack08.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/confirmation-from-the-state-of-hawaii32.jpg

Now compare the e-mail to what is presented on FactCheck as COLB #3.

http://nobarack08.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/sealsidebyside21.jpg

Forgery #1 – The COLB posted on ‘Fight the Smears’ – No Stamp, No Seal, evidence of tampering and forgery. Sandra Ramsey Lines, Ron Polirak, and myself, among others.

Forgery #2 – FactCheck – Two different COLB’s one with a SEAL, however NOT an Official State of Hawaii Department of Health SEAL

Forgery #3 – FactCheck – COLB without a SEAL, image of COLB being held up. High resolution and NO indicating of a SEAL.

So how can there be three versions of a document that Hawaii NEVER issued?

http://nobarack08.wordpress.com/2009/11/25/create-your-own-barack-obama-hawaiian-birth-cetification/

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Mr. Charlton replies: I was not aware of your work on this; this is very informative. Somewhere it was also posted that Obama supporters were engaged in this kind of experimentation to produce face docs days before the COLB appeared on the net. But I lost track of that urls.

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Couldn’t that be proven or disproven by simply finding two COLBs from same year/period with the two different “terminologies”?

And why couldn’t you have an attorney subpoena the information requested about the terminologies (without any specific persons connected) on the basis that such requests must be answered and this one was not….beyond the time period noted in HI regs.

The other thing to investigate is whether the certificate number on the factcheck certificate was issued to Obama or someone else. This should be verfiable through a request for index data associated with that certificate number (per HRS 388-18(d)). So far, the state of Hawaii has refused requests. Perhaps an enterprising reporter could force this information out to the public. I suspect the number belongs to someone other than Obama and they are trying to avoid exposing the truth.

Since the HI Depart of Health has already refused to confirm that they issued any document to Obama in 2007, there is no reason to suppose anything on it is true, until the Dept of Health, as HI statutes allow, recognizes its duty to divulge the original vital records due to massive public interest.

Even when divulged, if the original document lack such testimonials to verify that they were not false allegations by a relative to discout a birth elsewhere or under different conditions, then they would also prove nothing. HI Dept. of Health rules state that it is the court, to which a vital record is submitted, which determines its authenticity when this is contested in law. A vital record in itself does not do this, because it is beyond the competance of a Vital Records agency to police fraud in every possible manner it could be committed in such matters.

However, let readers study the Department’s published rules, and if they find anything let me know.

How about this idea: Locate two persons with Hawaiian COLBs — one where it says “filed” and the other where it says “accepted” — and have each of them ask the DOH the definition of those terms. Seems to me that the DOH would be required to answer a question posed directly by such individuals.

Another idea: Is there not a lawyer in Hawaii who understands the legal difference between the two terms? Also, along this line, is there a way to scour Hawaiian court cases where these terms were discussed and defined?

Has anybody to date filed a request with HI Vital records, requesting all records/information regarding the FactCheck.org COLB. Who requested it, when it was requested, when and by whom it was issued, who it was issued to?

Seeing as the supposed COLB is public record, (courtesy of FactCheck and others), I see no reason why HI can deny such a request.

If they have no records of such a COLB ever being issued, then we will know for a FACT that the ubiqutous COLB is fake and we would have the final nail in the coffin proof of that.

Every request seems to dance around the content of the COLB or specific information printed on the COLB, but I have not seen (unless I missed it somewhere) any request targeted at the request/issue records of said COLB from HI.

Am I off-base here?

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Mr. Charlton replies: No that is what you would expect any sane Dept of Health to have done immediately after Obama issued his online COLB. As a matter of fact every govt agency has the duty to confirm or deny public claims that they have issued documents of any kind. If I keep my COLB private, and you get a copy by theft, obviously they have no duty to confirm anything: but if I hold it up to the world, and they do not explicitly confirm it for 16 months; then they are saying in fact that it is a fake, but that they fear Obama will attack them if they admit it.